Cam Newton - What is your plan? (1 Viewer)

[tombonneau]

So obviously anyone with cam took him high or spent a lot and so far it's two big time stink bombs and one good game. How many more bad games before we have to treat this as qbbc? Or are you going to look at him as a must start every week?

I've already made contingency plan by picking up Dalton and Ponder. I'll likely start Cam this week but if he's shaky again it's qbbc al the way.

What are others doing? I'd look to trade but value probably too low right now.

ETA: Sorry autocorrected Ponder to Palmer

 

[otb_lifer]

Next 3 weeks ... Atlanta, Seattle, Bye ...

Might be useless fior a whole month.

Further kick in the jimmies is he doesn't get the Saints again 'til week 17.

Palmer on bye next week ... Locker/Ponder down?

 

[rickyg]

I'm already at that point where I'm debating starting ponder vs detroit over cam vs atl this weekend.

I didn't buy into the sophomore slump talk in the preseason but I am starting to now. More so bc of his crappy demeanor than his play. Crappy play can be rectified with someone of his talent. Crappy demeanor is another story.

 

[tombonneau]

Next 3 weeks ... Atlanta, Seattle, Bye ...Might be useless fior a whole month. Further kick in the jimmies is he doesn't get the Saints again 'til week 17. Palmer on bye next week ... Locker/Ponder down?

Sorry edited OP it autocorrected Ponder to Palmer (hopefully this doesn't prove to be an ominous sign)Might roll with him vs Detroit, didnt realize matchup was so juicy. Locker is another to consider as well he should be on lots of wires

 

[otb_lifer]

One other factor in the two bombs vs. one good game was the fact that JStew played week 2 vs. the Saints, and missed the two duds.

We know he's very important to that offense, no? Or was it just the suckage that is the Saints Defense? Combo of both, most likely.

Stewart back this week, let's see how the Fig rolls.

 

[meyerj31]

I'm already at that point where I'm debating starting ponder vs detroit over cam vs atl this weekend. I didn't buy into the sophomore slump talk in the preseason but I am starting to now. More so bc of his crappy demeanor than his play. Crappy play can be rectified with someone of his talent. Crappy demeanor is another story.

I don't think "sophomore slump" is an accurate term. I don't feel Cam is doing anything less than what he did last year... he's just not doing any more. But I suppose the adage in the NFL is "If you're not getting better, you're getting worse."Defenses have been blanketing the field in Cover 2 for the first several games, forcing him to be more of a dink/dunker and to take what the defense gives him. This is really not Cam's strength, and if he or the OC doesn't adapt it is going to be a long season.

 

[Bobcat10]

I've thought about Dalton over Cam this week...but can't pull that trigger yet.

 

[Concept Coop]

Too early for this. Rodgers, Brady, Stafford, and Cam still have the same upside they did going into the season. The season is still very young.

 

[Silver & Black]

I agree, he still has tremendous upside. That said, i'm riding Flacco's hot hand this week over Cam.

 

[otb_lifer]

I agree, he still has tremendous upside. That said, i'm riding Flacco's hot hand this week over Cam.

Re:Flacco ... very short week (played Sun night), popgun offense in Cleve that will not dictate "shootiut" .... can see a d/st score for Balt, a couple Rice td's, then big Joe puts the cue in the rack. Does he really need to go pedal to metal all night? /hijack.

 

[DeaLerZ]

One other factor in the two bombs vs. one good game was the fact that JStew played week 2 vs. the Saints, and missed the two duds. We know he's very important to that offense, no? Or was it just the suckage that is the Saints Defense? Combo of both, most likely. Stewart back this week, let's see how the Fig rolls.

this factor right here can absolutely not be ignored... Stewart forces the defenses to respect both the run and the pass when he is in the game, and makes it a lot easier for Cam to have success.. and i don't know the numbers but Stewart got a lot of first downs last year, and breaks a lot of tackles... Cam relied on him a lot last year, and he evens looks more comfortable with him out there...I think before you start doubting Cam as a fantasy QB you have to realize how important Stewart is to Cam's developmentDeangelo Williams on the other hand, gets no respect.. and doesn't deserve any

 

[Concept Coop]

As a dynasty owner, I have watched all 3 of the games, and - as biased as I am (big fan) - I am not concerned yet.

Week 1 - The Bucs completely shut down the run game, and Carolina didn't have the adjustments. Aside from 2-3 throws, Cam looked really good.

Week 2 - Great game. Cam sets a career high for rushing yards, and looks good, all around.

Week 3 - Pout Gate. Horrible game by Newton, on par with the rest of his team. People see 1-2 and start looking for reasons why - they point to Cam. As the QB and franchise player, that will happen. But look at what he has done the previous 3 seasons: Non-FBS National Championship, FBS National Championship, undefeated season in the SEC, Heisman Trophy, Rookie of the year, back-to-back 400 yard passing games, 4,000 passing yards, NFL record for QB rushing TDs... People are throwing a lot out the window to justify their discomfort with Cam as a person. He is very clearly a winner, and - like other odd personalities (Jordan, Kobe, Eli) - people will be forced to acknowledge that eventually, assuming the wins come.

/rant.

As for this year, again, take a step back from the ledge. The biggest question we had going into the season has been answered, and is a positive: Yes. Cam is going to be used as a major goal line option.

 

[tombonneau]

Too early for this. Rodgers, Brady, Stafford, and Cam still have the same upside they did going into the season. The season is still very young.

This is of course the safe Shark answer, that it's too early to panic, but therein lies the rub: sometimes knowing when to quit is an extremely valuable skill. I'd rather give up/properly assess a player too soon than too late. Because if you're wrong and they're still good you still have a commodity on your hands.I was lucky to overcome Cam's bad game this week, not so much week 1. Like many owners, I'd rather not have to deal with more 8-10 pt games before finally figuring out Cam is not 2011 Cam.Really good points made on Stewart though, will be interesting to see if Cam sees a boost with him in there. I agree he seems to be the straw that stirs the drink in that offense.

 

[tombonneau]

As a dynasty owner, I have watched all 3 of the games, and - as biased as I am (big fan) - I am not concerned yet. Week 1 - The Bucs completely shut down the run game, and Carolina didn't have the adjustments. Aside from 2-3 throws, Cam looked really good. Week 2 - Great game. Cam sets a career high for rushing yards, and looks good, all around. Week 3 - Pout Gate. Horrible game by Newton, on par with the rest of his team. People see 1-2 and start looking for reasons why - they point to Cam. As the QB and franchise player, that will happen. But look at what he has done the previous 3 seasons: Non-FBS National Championship, FBS National Championship, undefeated season in the SEC, Heisman Trophy, Rookie of the year, back-to-back 400 yard passing games, 4,000 passing yards, NFL record for QB rushing TDs... People are throwing a lot out the window to justify their discomfort with Cam as a person. He is very clearly a winner, and - like other odd personalities (Jordan, Kobe, Eli) - people will be forced to acknowledge that eventually, assuming the wins come. /rant. As for this year, again, take a step back from the ledge. The biggest question we had going into the season has been answered, and is a positive: Yes. Cam is going to be used as a major goal line option.

(Even if it is from a biased dyansty owner. )I'm actually a fan of Cam, like him as a player & person. I agree that Week 1 he didn't look bad despite a few bad picks late and week 3 was a dumpster fire for the whole squad. Regardless, I still am not sure I am going to view him as an every week start ...

 

[VA703]

too early to bench.. the week you bench is the week he goes off

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000066380/article/carolina-cartoon-mocks-cam-newtons-superman-pose

is cam newton a black guy or a white guy?

 

[NCPanthersFan]

too early to bench.. the week you bench is the week he goes off

Too early to drop/trade but I think we have seen enough to say he is bench worthy if you drafted another option as well.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'm already at that point where I'm debating starting ponder vs detroit over cam vs atl this weekend. I didn't buy into the sophomore slump talk in the preseason but I am starting to now. More so bc of his crappy demeanor than his play. Crappy play can be rectified with someone of his talent. Crappy demeanor is another story.

So you're countering the sophmore slump by starting another second year QB instead?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'm already at that point where I'm debating starting ponder vs detroit over cam vs atl this weekend. I didn't buy into the sophomore slump talk in the preseason but I am starting to now. More so bc of his crappy demeanor than his play. Crappy play can be rectified with someone of his talent. Crappy demeanor is another story.

So you're countering the sophmore slump by starting another second year QB instead?

ba-zing!!but, it's impossible to slump off ponder's first year.

 

[Shutout]

One other factor in the two bombs vs. one good game was the fact that JStew played week 2 vs. the Saints, and missed the two duds. We know he's very important to that offense, no? Or was it just the suckage that is the Saints Defense? Combo of both, most likely. Stewart back this week, let's see how the Fig rolls.

this factor right here can absolutely not be ignored... Stewart forces the defenses to respect both the run and the pass when he is in the game, and makes it a lot easier for Cam to have success.. and i don't know the numbers but Stewart got a lot of first downs last year, and breaks a lot of tackles... Cam relied on him a lot last year, and he evens looks more comfortable with him out there...I think before you start doubting Cam as a fantasy QB you have to realize how important Stewart is to Cam's developmentDeangelo Williams on the other hand, gets no respect.. and doesn't deserve any

this sums it up. The team will be better with JSTEW. He means that much to their productivity. With a year to learn what Cam is, they limit him to shorter check downs and JSTEW is the one that makes that go.

 

[unckeyherb]

too early to bench.. the week you bench is the week he goes off

came in here to post this. See: Fitzgerald, Larry. Top tier guys come through. If you drafted him, you think he is top tier. That hasn't changed. Last week was (I believe) an aberration. NYG have an unreal defensive front-give them some credit and pull some of the worry/blame off of Cam. Stafford and Rodgers have both played poorer than he has, so what? he had one bad game, one good game, one great game.

 

[tombonneau]

too early to bench.. the week you bench is the week he goes off

came in here to post this. See: Fitzgerald, Larry. Top tier guys come through. If you drafted him, you think he is top tier. That hasn't changed. Last week was (I believe) an aberration. NYG have an unreal defensive front-give them some credit and pull some of the worry/blame off of Cam. Stafford and Rodgers have both played poorer than he has, so what? he had one bad game, one good game, one great game.

This is what makes it an interesting debate to have at this point in the season. Fitz has a lengthy resume as a top WR that you have to consider before benching him.Cam has one top 5 rookie season as a sample size. Not really the same thing.And just because you anchor you perception of a player as a top talent because you draft him highly that doesn't make it so. Just ask CJ owners last year.I'm still a bit ambivalent with the situation but one more bad game vs a good D and he is QBBC material IMO, benchable vs top Ds.

 

[sbonomo]

too early to bench.. the week you bench is the week he goes off

Too early to drop/trade but I think we have seen enough to say he is bench worthy if you drafted another option as well.

this has to be

 

[unckeyherb]

too early to bench.. the week you bench is the week he goes off

came in here to post this. See: Fitzgerald, Larry. Top tier guys come through. If you drafted him, you think he is top tier. That hasn't changed. Last week was (I believe) an aberration. NYG have an unreal defensive front-give them some credit and pull some of the worry/blame off of Cam. Stafford and Rodgers have both played poorer than he has, so what? he had one bad game, one good game, one great game.

This is what makes it an interesting debate to have at this point in the season. Fitz has a lengthy resume as a top WR that you have to consider before benching him.Cam has one top 5 rookie season as a sample size. Not really the same thing.And just because you anchor you perception of a player as a top talent because you draft him highly that doesn't make it so. Just ask CJ owners last year.I'm still a bit ambivalent with the situation but one more bad game vs a good D and he is QBBC material IMO, benchable vs top Ds.

No doubt Cam doesn't have the track record that Fitz does-I wasn't meaning to compare the two literally, just that I know a lot of people panicked on Fitz after a couple of the worst weeks he's ever had, and benched him. He hurt those that did by bouncing back. My point is that, if you believe that Cam is a top tier talent, which I do, pulling the plug this early is folly that will most likely come back to bite you.

 

[NCPanthersFan]

too early to bench.. the week you bench is the week he goes off

Too early to drop/trade but I think we have seen enough to say he is bench worthy if you drafted another option as well.

this has to be

Hehehehe Stop that.

 

[Norcalhoya]

I've thought about Dalton over Cam this week...but can't pull that trigger yet.

Guy in my league is doing it. I wasn't a fan of Cam coming into the year, but I think this is an overreaction. Dalton has lit up 2 bad defenses, but REALLY struggled against the Ravens. I gotta think Cam is going to have to throw/make some plays, playing catch up against the Falcons.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

too early to bench.. the week you bench is the week he goes off

Too early to drop/trade but I think we have seen enough to say he is bench worthy if you drafted another option as well.

this has to be

Hehehehe Stop that.

Is there anything creepier than a dude going "hehehehe" on the internet?

 

[Dentist]

just takes defensive coordinators to get a year of film on these guys and they regress back hard.

same will happen with RGIII next year.

look what happened to michael vick 2.0, vince young, etc.

i don't like it that i've only mentioned black QB's, but it does seem to happen more to them than white QB's.

 

[shader]

It's not cams fault that he only has one legitimate weapon and his coordinator refuses to show any semblance of a running game. Very few qbs could survive under those circumstances.

 

[NCPanthersFan]

Does anyone think the read option is working for Carolina?

 

[NCPanthersFan]

too early to bench.. the week you bench is the week he goes off

Too early to drop/trade but I think we have seen enough to say he is bench worthy if you drafted another option as well.

this has to be

Hehehehe Stop that.

Is there anything creepier than a dude going "hehehehe" on the internet?

Get out of those secret pedophile forums and it won't scare ya as much anymore.

 

[Concept Coop]

Does anyone think the read option is working for Carolina?

At the goal line, yes. In general - I think it can, and has, but they seem to rely on it too much. Also, I don't think they have done enough to make defenses have to worry about every outcome of the play, either.

 

[NCPanthersFan]

Does anyone think the read option is working for Carolina?

At the goal line, yes. In general - I think it can, and has, but they seem to rely on it too much. Also, I don't think they have done enough to make defenses have to worry about every outcome of the play, either.

Watching the game it just seems forced. On one play Cam just froze and it seemed like D-Willi just "took" it from him.

 

[Concept Coop]

Does anyone think the read option is working for Carolina?

At the goal line, yes. In general - I think it can, and has, but they seem to rely on it too much. Also, I don't think they have done enough to make defenses have to worry about every outcome of the play, either.

Watching the game it just seems forced. On one play Cam just froze and it seemed like D-Willi just "took" it from him.

I agree with you here. I think it has been a problem. I think play calling in general is been a major problem. Not to pretend to know more than the coaches, but that is how it looks from my couch.

 

[tombonneau]

Does anyone think the read option is working for Carolina?

At the goal line, yes. In general - I think it can, and has, but they seem to rely on it too much. Also, I don't think they have done enough to make defenses have to worry about every outcome of the play, either.

I agree it only looks effective to me when they line up shotgun inside the 10. Between the 20s it looks forced. Was his big run vs. NO a designed play like that? I can't recall.

 

[Concept Coop]

Does anyone think the read option is working for Carolina?

At the goal line, yes. In general - I think it can, and has, but they seem to rely on it too much. Also, I don't think they have done enough to make defenses have to worry about every outcome of the play, either.

I agree it only looks effective to me when they line up shotgun inside the 10. Between the 20s it looks forced. Was his big run vs. NO a designed play like that? I can't recall.

You know - I don't recall either. I don't remember many productive runs from Cam in the zone read this year, in general, however.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Does anyone think the read option is working for Carolina?

At the goal line, yes. In general - I think it can, and has, but they seem to rely on it too much. Also, I don't think they have done enough to make defenses have to worry about every outcome of the play, either.

Watching the game it just seems forced. On one play Cam just froze and it seemed like D-Willi just "took" it from him.

I agree with you here. I think it has been a problem. I think play calling in general is been a major problem. Not to pretend to know more than the coaches, but that is how it looks from my couch.

I don't own Cam, but have watched them d/t Stewart/DWill and the playcalling has been really bad. Of course you want to run some shotgun / spread, but you've got $80 million of Pro Bowl RB there. Put Cam under center on 1st and 2nd down and run some traditional power ground game. Seeing more 3rd and short, and opening up the play-action run/pass option on the edge makes much more sense than what they're currently doing.

 

[tombonneau]

Does anyone think the read option is working for Carolina?

At the goal line, yes. In general - I think it can, and has, but they seem to rely on it too much. Also, I don't think they have done enough to make defenses have to worry about every outcome of the play, either.

I agree it only looks effective to me when they line up shotgun inside the 10. Between the 20s it looks forced. Was his big run vs. NO a designed play like that? I can't recall.

You know - I don't recall either. I don't remember many productive runs from Cam in the zone read this year, in general, however.

At 00:37. It was option read.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hfW3e2MW4Q

 

[DeaLerZ]

One other factor in the two bombs vs. one good game was the fact that JStew played week 2 vs. the Saints, and missed the two duds. We know he's very important to that offense, no? Or was it just the suckage that is the Saints Defense? Combo of both, most likely. Stewart back this week, let's see how the Fig rolls.

this factor right here can absolutely not be ignored... Stewart forces the defenses to respect both the run and the pass when he is in the game, and makes it a lot easier for Cam to have success.. and i don't know the numbers but Stewart got a lot of first downs last year, and breaks a lot of tackles... Cam relied on him a lot last year, and he evens looks more comfortable with him out there...I think before you start doubting Cam as a fantasy QB you have to realize how important Stewart is to Cam's developmentDeangelo Williams on the other hand, gets no respect.. and doesn't deserve any

this sums it up. The team will be better with JSTEW. He means that much to their productivity. With a year to learn what Cam is, they limit him to shorter check downs and JSTEW is the one that makes that go.

definitely...the other important thing is that Stewart being back makes DeAngelo Williams better as he is one of the best "Change of Pace" running backs in the league... this combined with Cam makes the trio pretty unstoppable... which ultimately gives Cam more chances to gain fantasy pointsCam obviously has some maturing to do both in his leadership, ability to read defenses, and passing in general... but his ability to run the ball makes him an automatic Top 10 QB.. and even when he can't throw the ball, he is always going to be able to run when Stewart is healthy and the defenses are kept honest.. any QB who has the potential to score 10 TD's on the ground because he is the goal line RB of his team is a must start to me..don't panic.. don't hate...be patient and appreciate it

 

[HMKRich]

Cam may still have the upside he did going in to the season, but his floor (or at least the perception of his floor) is lower than it was 3 weeks ago. But there's room for discussion beyond the "does he suck."

I wouldn't suggest swinging for the fences, but most Cam owners have acquired a solid second QB by now; if you've got a top QB (RG3/Ryan/Brees, etc.) and can pick Cam up for a RB2/WR2, it could net big returns if you can later trade one of your QBs for an elite player.

So what's his value for those looking to acquire him?

 

[Bri]

A whole offseason to plan for him and weak RB play and free agent WRs that (have they still not replaced Muhsin well?) go on and on.

A pro's pro is going to overcome the D coordinators new ideas and make em' pay.

If ever you have the chance...catch a young Peyton versus a BB coached D game. The adjustments chess match is something to see.

I think Cam is special and going to overcome; so I wouldn't bench him. I do understand your risks and contrary thoughts.

 

[tombonneau]

Cam looked much better this week. Hopefully it starts translating to wins for a panthers. Really should have won that game.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Cam looked much better this week. Hopefully it starts translating to wins for a panthers. Really should have won that game.

I had the Falcons D pegged to give him a lot of trouble this week, but he put up fantasy stats anyway despite the bad matchup.

 

[GCP]

Actually it was a good matchup for Cam. Atlanta is small but quick with great scheme. Small doesn't work against Cam, particularly in the front 7. If you can't deal with his scrambling and his designed runs, you're screwed.

The Panthers simply found a way to lose. Really, that white safety shouldn't even be allowed on the team charter back home, the way he played.

 

[jurb26]

The Panthers simply found a way to lose. Really, that white safety shouldn't even be allowed on the team charter back home, the way he played.

That guys is simply awful. I noticed his utter uselessness a couple of weeks ago when I caught portions of a Car game. I can't believe he is still a starter on that team.... or any NFL team for that matter.

 

[thehornet]

I'm already at that point where I'm debating starting ponder vs detroit over cam vs atl this weekend. I didn't buy into the sophomore slump talk in the preseason but I am starting to now. More so bc of his crappy demeanor than his play. Crappy play can be rectified with someone of his talent. Crappy demeanor is another story.

lol