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Sure...I was including all things that get brought up though...as well as what gets ignored constantly.
Isn't the refelection of the people who pass the laws a reflection of the people that voted them in?
Isn't the refelection of the people who pass the laws a reflection of the people that voted them in?
With criminal law, certainly, however it feels as though now laws are simply to keep order.
Because I believe human life is precious. I hate that there are ever circumstances where a child is unwanted in any way. I hate the very concept of killing that which is growing into life.
Arguing over whether abortion is "killing" that should be illegal is fine.
I dunno. I personally think that legislation should reflect what is for the "greater good" of the County/State/community, not necessarily what is "moral." Plenty of immoral things are perfectly legal, and plenty of moral things are illegal.
We have plenty of laws that aren't based in morality. Restrictions on gun ownership, for example.
no
that would be a great thread I think and I'll be honest, my life detonated because of my ex-wife's adultery. I lost more than I ever thought possible, the destruction it caused to my daughter and son is a lifetime of damage that'll never go away. My close friends/family are changed by it, I lost most of my inlaws, and my inlaws lost me and my kids and my ex-wife lost everybody. Financially there were damages, emotionally, mentally ......... it never goes away, it will always be there
ok I'll agree with that
The "religious" part could be to delineate practicing Christians from people like me who are sometimes called "lapsed Catholics". I went to Catholic school for 13 years (K-HS) and checked off 5/7 sacraments (including also baptizing my kids) but do not practice / believe / associate with the church anymore. But once you're baptized, you're a Catholic forever...
[1] "The Sacrament of Baptism (§1272)". Catechism of the Catholic Church. http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt2sect2.htm#VII.
This is wildly subjective and likely opens every Christian up to being considered fake depending on the subject.
its actually Biblical
Well, if you define "Christian" as following Christ's teachings, I agree -- there are probably tens of millions of American "Christians" who aren't really Christian. Good thing you and I aren't the arbiters.
Why do some people fight so hard for the rights of the unborn but completely neglect the support / cost (social programs, education, financial support / welfare, legislation, etc) of those children 5 minutes after they're born? Some people don't believe in contraception or abortion but once these kids are born, who cares? I'll wait for a logical/reasonable answer - if anyone can submit one
the thing is, as Christian as we try to be we also all fail - but living in sin every say or accepting something immoral ... those things clearly show a person isn't even trying doesn't it ?
I don't know that pro-life people do what you suggest they do. That's not who I see at all in the pro-life world
I don't know anyone who is Pro Life and who also doesn't care about babies once they are born. I assume you mean you don't understand why they oppose policies that you support. It's reasonable to ask them why they oppose policy X, but not really helpful to accuse them of not caring about children.
"beware of false prophets . . . you shall know them by their fruits" is not "wildly subjective"?
I don't know if you are intentionally avoiding my point or not, but I'll be more clear: There are plenty of Christians who you would discount, because of their core belief, as non-Christian (regardless of any "moral failings"). And there are plenty of self-professed Christians that I would likely discount as non-Christian (regardless of any "moral failings). Including, possibly, you.
It's probably pretty similar to people who think that you shouldn't be allowed to randomly slug passers-by on the street but argue for limited government in other areas of society. What a bunch of phonies.
1 Corinthians 6:16 strongly suggests that marriage and sex should be seen as one and the same.
First... "some".
that's not what that means
Huh? Gun laws are based on the morality of murder, accidental death and suicide. If we didn't care about those moral issues, gun laws wouldn't exist.
if they follow the teachings of the Bible I think we can all agree they're Christians - not a Branch Davidian's spin off, just good common knowledge Christian beliefs/teachings
I would argue gun laws are not based on that at all
Public safety and morality aren't the same thing. It's not an immoral act to accidentally swerve your car and kill someone because you were texting and driving. Purposefully driving your car into a child playing on the sidewalk is immoral.
I completely disagree. Manslaughter and accidental death are absolutely immoral. We not only have a moral obligation not to murder, but to avoid needless death through negligence and reckless behavior. It is why we have penalties associated with it. If someone dies because you were being careless, you failed your moral obligation to look out for your fellow man and chose to be negligent for selfish reasons.
I'll say it again in a different way in hopes that you actually respond. You come across as being quite judgmental, something that's specifically mentioned in Mark. Do you, who seemingly ignores this teaching by judging who is and isn't a real Christian, consider yourself a real Christian?
#1 - You are confusing Catholic doctrine with Christianity. They are decidedly NOT one and the same. I (and basically every other Christian denomination) have many bones to pick with Catholicism and this is one.
1) Pro-life people are pro-life because they think that abortion harms another human being. Hardly anybody thinks that contraception does so. So basically the folks you're describing see these as two things as completely different and distinct. (I know Catholicism in particular takes a negative view on contraception, which I disagree with).
cool. Again, I'm not sure I agree with you on #3, because much like Guns it seems that these questions don't exist to debate a position, it is more like Guns and Abortion are sacrosanct and cannot be discussed because any negotiation of a "dividing line" is a non starter (when the abortion verbiage on the right does not include health of the mother or cases of rape and incest, its a non starter for me.)
I WANT people to judge me and tell me what they see - tell me my flaws, tell me why I'm wrong ..... how else am I supposed to see those things? By self discovery? Its very very hard to do that!!
1 - an unborn baby is vastly different than a sperm or egg
Hospitals also treat broken bones, but nobody thinks that bones are "alive." Pro-choice people support pre-natal care because it benefits women (who are unambiguously alive) and also lead to better outcomes for the child after birth (when it is unambiguously alive).
I don't. It's a buzzword (Limited government). I assume manywould be perfectly ok with an "anti abortion enforcement squad" paid for by the federal government, but not with CHiP or SNaP. There are studies that show certain interventions at a young age lead to longer mortality and healthier outcomes that, if the concept of all life being sacrosanct, would be easy to be behind.
define a pregnancy
show me a woman who isn't pregnant with a living unborn baby in her womb - it doesn't exist
As a protestant christian who tries to be thoughtful and someone who's faith is an important thing to them, I don't have a strong opinion on abortion. I can see both sides of it.
