Can anyone help a "SLOW" commish out? (1 Viewer)

[steelerfan1]

Hi Guys/ Gals,

Using NFL Rules what 2 teams whould make the playoffs?

I am not the brightest bulb on the tree and I want to make sure I get it right.

Pale Ale Express- Over All Record: 5-7 Division Record: 2-2 Conf Record: 5-5 Head to Head: Split 1-1 with Green Monsters, win Against Fish, loss to Boats N Hoes. Non Conf: 0-2

Green Monsters- Over All Record: 5-7 Division Record: 1-3 Conf Record: 4-6 Head to Head: Split 1-1 with Pale Ale Express, loss to Boats N Hoes, win vs Fish. Non Conf: 1-1

Boats N Hoes- Over All Record: 5-7 Division Record:1-3 Conf Record:4-6 Head to Head: wins over Pale Ale Express and Green Monsters. Loss to Fish. Non Conf:1-1

Fish- Over All Record: 5-7 Division Record: 2-2 Conf Record: 3-7 Head to Head: win over Boats N Hoes, losses to Pale Ale Express and Green Monsters. Non Conf- 2-0

Thanks for any help.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

IMO in FFL you want total points to be the tiebreaker.

 

[Wild Young Billy]

IMO in FFL you want total points to be the tiebreaker.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

IMO in FFL you want total points to be the tiebreaker.

Agreed.

 

[steelerfan1]

thanks guys, and we may do that nextyear, but the way the rules have been written for the years past if NFL rules.

 

[belljr]

thanks guys, and we may do that nextyear, but the way the rules have been written for the years past if NFL rules.

What teams are in what divisions, if you are using NFL tiebreakers it matters

 

[Choke]

Hi Guys/ Gals,

Using NFL Rules what 2 teams whould make the playoffs?

I am not the brightest bulb on the tree and I want to make sure I get it right.

Pale Ale Express- Over All Record: 5-7 Division Record: 2-2 Conf Record: 5-5 Head to Head: Split 1-1 with Green Monsters, win Against Fish, loss to Boats N Hoes. Non Conf: 0-2

Green Monsters- Over All Record: 5-7 Division Record: 1-3 Conf Record: 4-6 Head to Head: Split 1-1 with Pale Ale Express, loss to Boats N Hoes, win vs Fish. Non Conf: 1-1

Boats N Hoes- Over All Record: 5-7 Division Record:1-3 Conf Record:4-6 Head to Head: wins over Pale Ale Express and Green Monsters. Loss to Fish. Non Conf:1-1

Fish- Over All Record: 5-7 Division Record: 2-2 Conf Record: 3-7 Head to Head: win over Boats N Hoes, losses to Pale Ale Express and Green Monsters. Non Conf- 2-0

Thanks for any help.

Since we dont know the # of teams, divisions or conferences...Are they in the same division?

If so...

head-to-head has to have a clear cut winner (no losses against all the tied teams) so that doesnt work.

Division records has to have a clear cut winner. That doesnt work.

Total points.

If you have more then 1 conference, and they are all in the same conference yet have different divisions... use Conference Record (instead of division) in the above scenario.

*If any of them are in different divisions you cant use div record, and if any of them are in different confernces you cant use conf record.

 

[steelerfan1]

all 4 teams are in the south conference.

there is also a north conference, but non are in it below.

18 teams, 9 from north and 9 from south.

these last 2 spots are what is screwing me up for the south.

pale ale is in monster division

green monsters is in the same

fish is in nascar division

boats n hoes is in krispy kreme division

 

[Shutout]

using the NFL rules:

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

1. Determine tie breaker between the 2 in the same division (Pale Ale and Green Monsters).

First tie break is head to head, they split so go to second.

Second tie break is conference and Pale Ale wins because of 2-2.

So, Green Monsters are eliminated and you now have to determine two off the following three (Pale Ale, Fish, and Boats).

First tie break is the division breakers. Done.

Second tie break is a common sweep by any team over the other two (or loss to other two). This did not occur.

Third tie break is conference record. Pale (5-5) and Boats (4-6) win.

Since Pale is decided, revert to tie break between two clubs where Fish beat Boats h2h (different division so no div decider).

Your two playoff qualifiers are Pale Ale and Fish.

 

[steelerfan1]

You're going to have to tell us which teams are in which divisions to sort it out using the NFL rules:

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

thanks just listed it shutout

 

[Choke]

all 4 teams are in the south conference.there is also a north conference, but non are in it below.18 teams, 9 from north and 9 from south.these last 2 spots are what is screwing me up for the south.pale ale is in monster divisiongreen monsters is in the samefish is in nascar divisionboats n hoes is in krispy kreme division

It goes to total points, because noone clearly wins h-t-h. And noone clearly wins conference records.No team is eliminated until you pick the first playoff team from that grouping. (so you dont remove teams at the h-t-h mark or the conf mark, all 4 stay alive).Once you do select the first team to make the playoffs, start over from beginning if you need to select a second playoff team.At this point... you are at the TOTAL POINTS tie breaker. Which should be the end step. Unless you have the oddity of having the same total points, then the team (of those with the same high total points) with the MOST points scored AGAINST tiebreaks that tie breaker.

 

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We have this scenario in our league that follows NFL rules:

1st Tiebreaker: Head to Head

2nd Tiebreaker: Divisional Record

3rd Tiebreaker: Strength of Victory (Combined Record of all teams you beat)

We may have to resort to this as there are two teams who landed in the only Tie of the year... and they happen to both have the same record (6-5-1) with a head to head tie. We don't have divisions in this league (14 teams).

What's great is currently that line is the line to get into the playoffs. Assuming all teams with slots win this week, the guy will lose out on the playoffs based on that 3rd level tiebreaker. Worst of all...he's the league leader in Points Scored.

IMO Points scored is the best tiebreaker.... if not as the first, then definitely behind head-to-head record.

 

[belljr]

Well Pal-Ale would be ahead of Green Monsters since they splits and Pale-Ale has the better division record.

You break division ties first.

You now have Pale-Ale, Fish and Boats n Hoes trying for the final 2 spots.

Since there was no H2H sweep you go to the next step - "Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. "

So in this case Pale Ale has the best conference record. He gets the first spot.

You now revert to step 1 of the 2 club format.

Fish beats Boats n Hoes so he gets the 2nd spot

 

[Shutout]

all 4 teams are in the south conference.there is also a north conference, but non are in it below.18 teams, 9 from north and 9 from south.these last 2 spots are what is screwing me up for the south.pale ale is in monster divisiongreen monsters is in the samefish is in nascar divisionboats n hoes is in krispy kreme division

It goes to total points, because noone clearly wins h-t-h. And noone clearly wins conference records.No team is eliminated until you pick the first playoff team from that grouping. (so you dont remove teams at the h-t-h mark or the conf mark, all 4 stay alive).Once you do select the first team to make the playoffs, start over from beginning if you need to select a second playoff team.At this point... you are at the TOTAL POINTS tie breaker. Which should be the end step. Unless you have the oddity of having the same total points, then the team (of those with the same high total points) with the MOST points scored AGAINST tiebreaks that tie breaker.

The answer is above. Total point sis not the tie break. Teams have Conference records listed.

 

[belljr]

We have this scenario in our league that follows NFL rules:1st Tiebreaker: Head to Head2nd Tiebreaker: Divisional Record3rd Tiebreaker: Strength of Victory (Combined Record of all teams you beat)We may have to resort to this as there are two teams who landed in the only Tie of the year... and they happen to both have the same record (6-5-1) with a head to head tie. We don't have divisions in this league (14 teams). What's great is currently that line is the line to get into the playoffs. Assuming all teams with slots win this week, the guy will lose out on the playoffs based on that 3rd level tiebreaker. Worst of all...he's the league leader in Points Scored. IMO Points scored is the best tiebreaker.... if not as the first, then definitely behind head-to-head record.

I mimic the NFL but points is third in division tie breakers and after h2h sweep in wildcard, we actually had 2 teams tie for total points last year

 

[steelerfan1]

so bell is correct?

 

[belljr]

so bell is correct?

Using NFL procedures you bet your sweet ### I'm correct.Seriously, I could have looked at something wrong but I followed the process correctly.

 

[steelerfan1]

Well Pal-Ale would be ahead of Green Monsters since they splits and Pale-Ale has the better division record.You break division ties first.You now have Pale-Ale, Fish and Boats n Hoes trying for the final 2 spots.Since there was no H2H sweep you go to the next step - "Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. "So in this case Pale Ale has the best conference record. He gets the first spot.You now revert to step 1 of the 2 club format.Fish beats Boats n Hoes so he gets the 2nd spot

thanks bud. i appreciate it.this was the first year we ever had it this close.

 

[Shutout]

so bell is correct?

Pale Ale and Fish are the winners (see above explanation folling the link)

 

[Choke]

all 4 teams are in the south conference.there is also a north conference, but non are in it below.18 teams, 9 from north and 9 from south.these last 2 spots are what is screwing me up for the south.pale ale is in monster divisiongreen monsters is in the samefish is in nascar divisionboats n hoes is in krispy kreme division

It goes to total points, because noone clearly wins h-t-h. And noone clearly wins conference records.No team is eliminated until you pick the first playoff team from that grouping. (so you dont remove teams at the h-t-h mark or the conf mark, all 4 stay alive).Once you do select the first team to make the playoffs, start over from beginning if you need to select a second playoff team.At this point... you are at the TOTAL POINTS tie breaker. Which should be the end step. Unless you have the oddity of having the same total points, then the team (of those with the same high total points) with the MOST points scored AGAINST tiebreaks that tie breaker.

The answer is above. Total point sis not the tie break. Teams have Conference records listed.

I wasnt using strict NFL. I was using common fantasy. In the case of fantasy with conferences and/or divisions.As most pointed out before me "total points", which is typically first in leagues with no divs or confs.

 

[belljr]

Well Pal-Ale would be ahead of Green Monsters since they splits and Pale-Ale has the better division record.You break division ties first.You now have Pale-Ale, Fish and Boats n Hoes trying for the final 2 spots.Since there was no H2H sweep you go to the next step - "Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. "So in this case Pale Ale has the best conference record. He gets the first spot.You now revert to step 1 of the 2 club format.Fish beats Boats n Hoes so he gets the 2nd spot

thanks bud. i appreciate it.this was the first year we ever had it this close.

np, I'm pretty sure it's right, however I'm not 100% correct if Green Monsters shows up for the final step since Pale-Ale won a spot. I'm pretty certain he's out of it completely after division tiebreaker and eliminated because of it. He doesn't get to "pop in" for the final wildcard spot. I'm 99% sure he doesn't but there could be some quirk I don't kow about.

 

[steelerfan1]

all 4 teams are in the south conference.there is also a north conference, but non are in it below.18 teams, 9 from north and 9 from south.these last 2 spots are what is screwing me up for the south.pale ale is in monster divisiongreen monsters is in the samefish is in nascar divisionboats n hoes is in krispy kreme division

It goes to total points, because noone clearly wins h-t-h. And noone clearly wins conference records.No team is eliminated until you pick the first playoff team from that grouping. (so you dont remove teams at the h-t-h mark or the conf mark, all 4 stay alive).Once you do select the first team to make the playoffs, start over from beginning if you need to select a second playoff team.At this point... you are at the TOTAL POINTS tie breaker. Which should be the end step. Unless you have the oddity of having the same total points, then the team (of those with the same high total points) with the MOST points scored AGAINST tiebreaks that tie breaker.

The answer is above. Total point sis not the tie break. Teams have Conference records listed.

I wasnt using strict NFL. I was using common fantasy. In the case of fantasy with conferences and/or divisions.As most pointed out before me "total points", which is typically first in divs with no divs or confs.

thanks choke, we do use the NFL rules but never had it like this

 

[Black]

I know Yahoo does Total Points as tiebreaker, not head-to-head (because in case of a 3 way tie, you can get a circular argument (Team A beat Team B beat Team C beat Team A).

You have to have that worked out at the beginning of your season, otherwise defer to whatever the online provider does.

Along with a 'Commish makes all final decisions or decisions not covered by rules' clause, all rules should have a 'league defers to scoring and rankings of the online provider' clause.

 

[Shutout]

Well Pal-Ale would be ahead of Green Monsters since they splits and Pale-Ale has the better division record.You break division ties first.You now have Pale-Ale, Fish and Boats n Hoes trying for the final 2 spots.Since there was no H2H sweep you go to the next step - "Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. "So in this case Pale Ale has the best conference record. He gets the first spot.You now revert to step 1 of the 2 club format.Fish beats Boats n Hoes so he gets the 2nd spot

thanks bud. i appreciate it.this was the first year we ever had it this close.

np, I'm pretty sure it's right, however I'm not 100% correct if Green Monsters shows up for the final step since Pale-Ale won a spot. I'm pretty certain he's out of it completely after division tiebreaker and eliminated because of it. He doesn't get to "pop in" for the final wildcard spot. I'm 99% sure he doesn't but there could be some quirk I don't kow about.

Yeah you got it correct. GM is eliminated on the division tiebreaker in step one as we both said. He doesnt get considered when it reverts.

 

[Choke]

thanks choke, we do use the NFL rules but never had it like this

Yeah, eliminating a team because of his division record (which may be against teams who arent even in the playoff scenario) when they are tied with people oustide of their division doesnt sit well with most anyone.Especially if they happen to be in the strongest fantasy division. Thats brutal.

 

[steelerfan1]

Well Pal-Ale would be ahead of Green Monsters since they splits and Pale-Ale has the better division record.You break division ties first.You now have Pale-Ale, Fish and Boats n Hoes trying for the final 2 spots.Since there was no H2H sweep you go to the next step - "Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. "So in this case Pale Ale has the best conference record. He gets the first spot.You now revert to step 1 of the 2 club format.Fish beats Boats n Hoes so he gets the 2nd spot

thanks bud. i appreciate it.this was the first year we ever had it this close.

np, I'm pretty sure it's right, however I'm not 100% correct if Green Monsters shows up for the final step since Pale-Ale won a spot. I'm pretty certain he's out of it completely after division tiebreaker and eliminated because of it. He doesn't get to "pop in" for the final wildcard spot. I'm 99% sure he doesn't but there could be some quirk I don't kow about.

Yeah you got it correct. GM is eliminated on the division tiebreaker in step one as we both said. He doesnt get considered when it reverts.

thanks a ton guys as i wanted outside viewpoints so there is no one here with a horse in the race so to speak.

 

[steelerfan1]

thanks choke, we do use the NFL rules but never had it like this

Yeah, eliminating a team because of his division record (which may be against teams who arent even in the playoff scenario) when they are tied with people oustide of their division doesnt sit well with most anyone.Especially if they happen to be in the strongest fantasy division. Thats brutal.

again, we have always used the NFL procedure but it is something we may look into altering barring a league vote.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Pale Ale and Boats n Hoes get the two wild card spots. Green Monster is thrown back into the running after Pale Ale gets the first playoff spot.

When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2.

 

[belljr]

thanks choke, we do use the NFL rules but never had it like this

Yeah, eliminating a team because of his division record (which may be against teams who arent even in the playoff scenario) when they are tied with people oustide of their division doesnt sit well with most anyone.Especially if they happen to be in the strongest fantasy division. Thats brutal.

I agree but the same thing happens in the NFL, tougher division , etc but at least there it's not "luck of the draw"

 

[steelerfan1]

Pale Ale and Boats n Hoes get the two wild card spots. Green Monster is thrown back into the running after Pale Ale gets the first playoff spot.

When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2.

please explain...

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

First step is to determine the seeding within the Monster division. Since Pale Ale and Green Monster split their head-to-head matchups, it goes to division record. Pale Ale has the better division record, so among the Monster division teams, they are #1 and Green Monster is #2. Green Monster isn't eliminated from the process forever, they just take a back seat to Pale Ale in the first iteration. See, for example, "the original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants."

Now we can determine the first wild card team among Pale Ale, Fish, and Boats n Hoes. There's no head-to-head sweep applicable, so the next step is conference record. Pale Ale has the best conference record, so they get the first wild card spot.

Now we go back to determine the second wild card team. Green Monster is back in the running at this point. Once again there is no applicable head-to-head sweep, so we go to conference record. Fish has the worst conference record, so they are eliminated from contention.

Now we have just two teams left, so we revert to the two clubs tiebreaker. Boats n Hoes won their head-to-head matchup against Green Monster, so they get the second Wild Card spot.

 

[Dismattle]

I do believe its "Green Monsters" eliminated by conference record, leaving just three clubs. So anyway Pale Express is first Wildcard based on conference record. Fish is in solely on the Win over Boats N Hoes.

I hope this question was already answered correctly (spent some time trying to figure it out myself)

Edit: I need to look at it again (I believe Green Monsters needs to be considered again because their top of division after Pale Express is in) gimme a few here)

Oops I believe its Pale Express & Boats N Hoes (Head to Head Win over Green Monsters) I cheated and verfied it lol

 

[steelerfan1]

First step is to determine the seeding within the Monster division. Since Pale Ale and Green Monster split their head-to-head matchups, it goes to division record. Pale Ale has the better division record, so among the Monster division teams, they are #1 and Green Monster is #2. Green Monster isn't eliminated from the process forever, they just take a back seat to Pale Ale in the first iteration. See, for example, "the original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants." Now we can determine the first wild card team among Pale Ale, Fish, and Boats n Hoes. There's no head-to-head sweep applicable, so the next step is conference record. Pale Ale has the best conference record, so they get the first wild card spot.Now we go back to determine the second wild card team. Green Monster is back in the running at this point. Once again there is no applicable head-to-head sweep, so we go to conference record. Fish has the worst conference record, so they are eliminated from contention. Now we have just two teams left, so we revert to the two clubs tiebreaker. Boats n Hoes won their head-to-head matchup against Green Monster, so they get the second Wild Card spot.

very convincing as well igno.thanks. why are things so difficult

 

[Choke]

why are things so difficult

Because you are applying a square peg into a round hole.

 

[Chaka]

Whatever team your current league rules dictate. If that leads to a team that you don't think deserves to be in the playoffs, sorry but you're out of luck.

In the NFL there are going to be a couple of NFC teams that are more deserving than the NFC West champ but thems the breaks.

 

[steelerfan1]

Whatever team your current league rules dictate. If that leads to a team that you don't think deserves to be in the playoffs, sorry but you're out of luck.In the NFL there are going to be a couple of NFC teams that are more deserving than the NFC West champ but thems the breaks.

hi chaka, our league rules are the nfl rules for playoffs.i just am a bit slow at stuff and couldnt figure out what teams by nfl rules would make it.

 

[Choke]

Whatever team your current league rules dictate. If that leads to a team that you don't think deserves to be in the playoffs, sorry but you're out of luck.In the NFL there are going to be a couple of NFC teams that are more deserving than the NFC West champ but thems the breaks.

Alphabetical preference is always a hoot!

 

[belljr]

First step is to determine the seeding within the Monster division. Since Pale Ale and Green Monster split their head-to-head matchups, it goes to division record. Pale Ale has the better division record, so among the Monster division teams, they are #1 and Green Monster is #2. Green Monster isn't eliminated from the process forever, they just take a back seat to Pale Ale in the first iteration. See, for example, "the original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants." Now we can determine the first wild card team among Pale Ale, Fish, and Boats n Hoes. There's no head-to-head sweep applicable, so the next step is conference record. Pale Ale has the best conference record, so they get the first wild card spot.Now we go back to determine the second wild card team. Green Monster is back in the running at this point. Once again there is no applicable head-to-head sweep, so we go to conference record. Fish has the worst conference record, so they are eliminated from contention. Now we have just two teams left, so we revert to the two clubs tiebreaker. Boats n Hoes won their head-to-head matchup against Green Monster, so they get the second Wild Card spot.

very convincing as well igno.thanks. why are things so difficult

I change my answer lol I missed the foot note he posted.When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2Now I believe GM does get a fair shot

 

[steelerfan1]

why are things so difficult

Because you are applying a square peg into a round hole.

choke,i am a christian steelerfan who owns pitbulls.square peg in round hole = story of my life...

 

[steelerfan1]

First step is to determine the seeding within the Monster division. Since Pale Ale and Green Monster split their head-to-head matchups, it goes to division record. Pale Ale has the better division record, so among the Monster division teams, they are #1 and Green Monster is #2. Green Monster isn't eliminated from the process forever, they just take a back seat to Pale Ale in the first iteration. See, for example, "the original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants." Now we can determine the first wild card team among Pale Ale, Fish, and Boats n Hoes. There's no head-to-head sweep applicable, so the next step is conference record. Pale Ale has the best conference record, so they get the first wild card spot.Now we go back to determine the second wild card team. Green Monster is back in the running at this point. Once again there is no applicable head-to-head sweep, so we go to conference record. Fish has the worst conference record, so they are eliminated from contention. Now we have just two teams left, so we revert to the two clubs tiebreaker. Boats n Hoes won their head-to-head matchup against Green Monster, so they get the second Wild Card spot.

very convincing as well igno.thanks. why are things so difficult

I change my answer lol I missed the foot note he posted.When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2Now I believe GM does get a fair shot

so we are looking at pale ale #5 and boats #6. everyone agree?

 

[steelerfan1]

thanks again to ignoratio and everyone here.

 

[Choke]

so we are looking at pale ale #5 and boats #6. everyone agree?

Now its time for you to copy/paste (or link) the entire stndings.

 

[steelerfan1]

i'll do better choke,

here is link to our league:

North vs South

 

[Billy Costigan Jr]

@ Boats N Hoes

 

[Novice2]

Use habmans playoff app...It can be set up for just about anything including NFL rules.

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