Can you legally sell or buy a single cigarette? (1 Viewer)

[Jack White]

And yet THEY, the Cops, did not write the laws. Our elected representatives did. It is not they, it is us. The Cops do what we direct them to do. They do not run their cities, they are answerable to elected officials (as well as to the courts). If this activity, or any activity, is illegal it is because our elected representatives made it so. If those representatives made it so against our wishes we should have been more vigilant in watching them.

As far as I know, no police force is running an American city. They are not occupiers. They are not dictators. They are answerable to the people. Many problems arise, however, when a person comes to believe that they are "the people". Individual persons often believe they can tell the cops how to do their job, when, and where. They want to legislate and to litigate on the streets once an action has jumped off. The streets are no place for arguing ones rights with cops, we have courts for that. Cops do not work for any individual person, they work for "the people", society. If you want to argue with a cop, and there are certainly times when you should, do so in the courts, through elections, or through the legislature, not on the streets, and particularly not during a crisis you have precipitated. Crisis reaction is always uncertain

You're suggesting here that law enforcement doesn't prioritize? Of course they do. Yes, we (the public and our representatives) wrote the laws, and we determine the punishment. But certainly the police play a role in deciding which Infractions to punish and which not to. For example, if the speed limit on a highway is 55 miles an hour, do patrolmen stop everyone traveling at 60 miles an hour? Obviously not. But if you're driving 70 or 80, you'll probably get stopped if you're caught. That's a subjective judgment by the police.

Selling loose cigarettes may be illegal, but the police could easily decide by themselves to ignore it. I would wager that in several major cities, they do.

When a city is in debt as bad as NY is they might have been told to enforce whatever they can to generate revenue.

Perhaps. But it's a silly way to do it. It probably costs more to crack down on these loose cigarette sellers than any revenue that might be generated from it.

Cops do not "generate" "revenue." Everything they have is stolen from the productive class.

 

[timschochet]

And yet THEY, the Cops, did not write the laws. Our elected representatives did. It is not they, it is us. The Cops do what we direct them to do. They do not run their cities, they are answerable to elected officials (as well as to the courts). If this activity, or any activity, is illegal it is because our elected representatives made it so. If those representatives made it so against our wishes we should have been more vigilant in watching them.

As far as I know, no police force is running an American city. They are not occupiers. They are not dictators. They are answerable to the people. Many problems arise, however, when a person comes to believe that they are "the people". Individual persons often believe they can tell the cops how to do their job, when, and where. They want to legislate and to litigate on the streets once an action has jumped off. The streets are no place for arguing ones rights with cops, we have courts for that. Cops do not work for any individual person, they work for "the people", society. If you want to argue with a cop, and there are certainly times when you should, do so in the courts, through elections, or through the legislature, not on the streets, and particularly not during a crisis you have precipitated. Crisis reaction is always uncertain

You're suggesting here that law enforcement doesn't prioritize? Of course they do. Yes, we (the public and our representatives) wrote the laws, and we determine the punishment. But certainly the police play a role in deciding which Infractions to punish and which not to. For example, if the speed limit on a highway is 55 miles an hour, do patrolmen stop everyone traveling at 60 miles an hour? Obviously not. But if you're driving 70 or 80, you'll probably get stopped if you're caught. That's a subjective judgment by the police.

Selling loose cigarettes may be illegal, but the police could easily decide by themselves to ignore it. I would wager that in several major cities, they do.

When a city is in debt as bad as NY is they might have been told to enforce whatever they can to generate revenue.

Perhaps. But it's a silly way to do it. It probably costs more to crack down on these loose cigarette sellers than any revenue that might be generated from it.

Cops do not "generate" "revenue." Everything they have is stolen from the productive class.

I'm sure there are plenty of conspiracy-minded people that agree with you about this crap. I'm not interested.

 

[Jack White]

And yet THEY, the Cops, did not write the laws. Our elected representatives did. It is not they, it is us. The Cops do what we direct them to do. They do not run their cities, they are answerable to elected officials (as well as to the courts). If this activity, or any activity, is illegal it is because our elected representatives made it so. If those representatives made it so against our wishes we should have been more vigilant in watching them.

As far as I know, no police force is running an American city. They are not occupiers. They are not dictators. They are answerable to the people. Many problems arise, however, when a person comes to believe that they are "the people". Individual persons often believe they can tell the cops how to do their job, when, and where. They want to legislate and to litigate on the streets once an action has jumped off. The streets are no place for arguing ones rights with cops, we have courts for that. Cops do not work for any individual person, they work for "the people", society. If you want to argue with a cop, and there are certainly times when you should, do so in the courts, through elections, or through the legislature, not on the streets, and particularly not during a crisis you have precipitated. Crisis reaction is always uncertain

You're suggesting here that law enforcement doesn't prioritize? Of course they do. Yes, we (the public and our representatives) wrote the laws, and we determine the punishment. But certainly the police play a role in deciding which Infractions to punish and which not to. For example, if the speed limit on a highway is 55 miles an hour, do patrolmen stop everyone traveling at 60 miles an hour? Obviously not. But if you're driving 70 or 80, you'll probably get stopped if you're caught. That's a subjective judgment by the police.

Selling loose cigarettes may be illegal, but the police could easily decide by themselves to ignore it. I would wager that in several major cities, they do.

When a city is in debt as bad as NY is they might have been told to enforce whatever they can to generate revenue.

Perhaps. But it's a silly way to do it. It probably costs more to crack down on these loose cigarette sellers than any revenue that might be generated from it.

Cops do not "generate" "revenue." Everything they have is stolen from the productive class.

I'm sure there are plenty of conspiracy-minded people that agree with you about this crap. I'm not interested.

It's not a conspiracy; it's a fact.

And who cares if you're not interested?

 

[Christo]

And yet THEY, the Cops, did not write the laws. Our elected representatives did. It is not they, it is us. The Cops do what we direct them to do. They do not run their cities, they are answerable to elected officials (as well as to the courts). If this activity, or any activity, is illegal it is because our elected representatives made it so. If those representatives made it so against our wishes we should have been more vigilant in watching them.

As far as I know, no police force is running an American city. They are not occupiers. They are not dictators. They are answerable to the people. Many problems arise, however, when a person comes to believe that they are "the people". Individual persons often believe they can tell the cops how to do their job, when, and where. They want to legislate and to litigate on the streets once an action has jumped off. The streets are no place for arguing ones rights with cops, we have courts for that. Cops do not work for any individual person, they work for "the people", society. If you want to argue with a cop, and there are certainly times when you should, do so in the courts, through elections, or through the legislature, not on the streets, and particularly not during a crisis you have precipitated. Crisis reaction is always uncertain

You're suggesting here that law enforcement doesn't prioritize? Of course they do. Yes, we (the public and our representatives) wrote the laws, and we determine the punishment. But certainly the police play a role in deciding which Infractions to punish and which not to. For example, if the speed limit on a highway is 55 miles an hour, do patrolmen stop everyone traveling at 60 miles an hour? Obviously not. But if you're driving 70 or 80, you'll probably get stopped if you're caught. That's a subjective judgment by the police.

Selling loose cigarettes may be illegal, but the police could easily decide by themselves to ignore it. I would wager that in several major cities, they do.

When a city is in debt as bad as NY is they might have been told to enforce whatever they can to generate revenue.

Perhaps. But it's a silly way to do it. It probably costs more to crack down on these loose cigarette sellers than any revenue that might be generated from it.

Cops do not "generate" "revenue." Everything they have is stolen from the productive class.

I'm sure there are plenty of conspiracy-minded people that agree with you about this crap. I'm not interested.

It's not a conspiracy; it's a fact.

And who cares if you're not interested?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And yet THEY, the Cops, did not write the laws. Our elected representatives did. It is not they, it is us. The Cops do what we direct them to do. They do not run their cities, they are answerable to elected officials (as well as to the courts). If this activity, or any activity, is illegal it is because our elected representatives made it so. If those representatives made it so against our wishes we should have been more vigilant in watching them.

As far as I know, no police force is running an American city. They are not occupiers. They are not dictators. They are answerable to the people. Many problems arise, however, when a person comes to believe that they are "the people". Individual persons often believe they can tell the cops how to do their job, when, and where. They want to legislate and to litigate on the streets once an action has jumped off. The streets are no place for arguing ones rights with cops, we have courts for that. Cops do not work for any individual person, they work for "the people", society. If you want to argue with a cop, and there are certainly times when you should, do so in the courts, through elections, or through the legislature, not on the streets, and particularly not during a crisis you have precipitated. Crisis reaction is always uncertain

You're suggesting here that law enforcement doesn't prioritize? Of course they do. Yes, we (the public and our representatives) wrote the laws, and we determine the punishment. But certainly the police play a role in deciding which Infractions to punish and which not to. For example, if the speed limit on a highway is 55 miles an hour, do patrolmen stop everyone traveling at 60 miles an hour? Obviously not. But if you're driving 70 or 80, you'll probably get stopped if you're caught. That's a subjective judgment by the police.

Selling loose cigarettes may be illegal, but the police could easily decide by themselves to ignore it. I would wager that in several major cities, they do.

When a city is in debt as bad as NY is they might have been told to enforce whatever they can to generate revenue.

Perhaps. But it's a silly way to do it. It probably costs more to crack down on these loose cigarette sellers than any revenue that might be generated from it.

Cops do not "generate" "revenue." Everything they have is stolen from the productive class.

I'm sure there are plenty of conspiracy-minded people that agree with you about this crap. I'm not interested.

C'mon, the socialists call personal property theft as well, pick yer poison.

It's also just as ridiculous when people call taxes and tax enforcement "revenue generation" like it's a corporation coming up with some business idea.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

And yet THEY, the Cops, did not write the laws. Our elected representatives did. It is not they, it is us. The Cops do what we direct them to do. They do not run their cities, they are answerable to elected officials (as well as to the courts). If this activity, or any activity, is illegal it is because our elected representatives made it so. If those representatives made it so against our wishes we should have been more vigilant in watching them.

As far as I know, no police force is running an American city. They are not occupiers. They are not dictators. They are answerable to the people. Many problems arise, however, when a person comes to believe that they are "the people". Individual persons often believe they can tell the cops how to do their job, when, and where. They want to legislate and to litigate on the streets once an action has jumped off. The streets are no place for arguing ones rights with cops, we have courts for that. Cops do not work for any individual person, they work for "the people", society. If you want to argue with a cop, and there are certainly times when you should, do so in the courts, through elections, or through the legislature, not on the streets, and particularly not during a crisis you have precipitated. Crisis reaction is always uncertain

You're suggesting here that law enforcement doesn't prioritize? Of course they do. Yes, we (the public and our representatives) wrote the laws, and we determine the punishment. But certainly the police play a role in deciding which Infractions to punish and which not to. For example, if the speed limit on a highway is 55 miles an hour, do patrolmen stop everyone traveling at 60 miles an hour? Obviously not. But if you're driving 70 or 80, you'll probably get stopped if you're caught. That's a subjective judgment by the police.

Selling loose cigarettes may be illegal, but the police could easily decide by themselves to ignore it. I would wager that in several major cities, they do.

No, I am clearly stating that they prioritize all of the time to please their bosses, to whom they are beholding for their yearly budgets and their negotiated contracts. They prioritize as we direct them to do so. It is in their self interest. They do not go rogue, find some meaningless law on the books and go nuts enforcing that against the wishes of the Municipalities, Counties, Parishes, States, and Commonwealths that employ them. Not as any regular course of business. Not if they want to remain employed, and well employed at that.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

And yet THEY, the Cops, did not write the laws. Our elected representatives did. It is not they, it is us. The Cops do what we direct them to do. They do not run their cities, they are answerable to elected officials (as well as to the courts). If this activity, or any activity, is illegal it is because our elected representatives made it so. If those representatives made it so against our wishes we should have been more vigilant in watching them.

As far as I know, no police force is running an American city. They are not occupiers. They are not dictators. They are answerable to the people. Many problems arise, however, when a person comes to believe that they are "the people". Individual persons often believe they can tell the cops how to do their job, when, and where. They want to legislate and to litigate on the streets once an action has jumped off. The streets are no place for arguing ones rights with cops, we have courts for that. Cops do not work for any individual person, they work for "the people", society. If you want to argue with a cop, and there are certainly times when you should, do so in the courts, through elections, or through the legislature, not on the streets, and particularly not during a crisis you have precipitated. Crisis reaction is always uncertain

You're suggesting here that law enforcement doesn't prioritize? Of course they do. Yes, we (the public and our representatives) wrote the laws, and we determine the punishment. But certainly the police play a role in deciding which Infractions to punish and which not to. For example, if the speed limit on a highway is 55 miles an hour, do patrolmen stop everyone traveling at 60 miles an hour? Obviously not. But if you're driving 70 or 80, you'll probably get stopped if you're caught. That's a subjective judgment by the police.

Selling loose cigarettes may be illegal, but the police could easily decide by themselves to ignore it. I would wager that in several major cities, they do.

When a city is in debt as bad as NY is they might have been told to enforce whatever they can to generate revenue.

And if people are interested in this issue they should find out what they, the police have been told by their Elected civilian leadership, and if they don't like it they should vote some folks in who will tell they the right thing, maybe even repel the offensive law.

 

[fantasycurse42]

It is illegal... Should Joe Schmoe be allowed to sell cigs? NFW.

However, it should be a fine and not an arrest IMO. $250 fine, write the ticket and move along.