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Captain America: Winter Soldier (1 Viewer)
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Chaka
Footballguy
Well then seems like a pretty simple thing to clear up with one line of dialogue from Fury. "Stark is out of the game, Banner has disappeared again, you're all we've got" or something.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I think it's getting little too much praise and love. It was good enough and had a nice foundation......but overall I thought there were way too many chase scenes and a few too many plot points and movers that don't jibe with an intelligent film franchise; namely:
1) the use of three giant helicarriers to shoot people when drones would have been more realistic in this day and age.
2) pretty much the whole use of The Winter Soldier. There was no real reason other than to fuel an "OMG! BUCKY'S BACK" moment. (And while we're on that.....Bucky's one of a few comic characters (along with Ben Parker, Gwen Stacy, Thomas and Martha Wayne and Jor-El) who have died who should NEVER come back.)
3) Falcon. The character was done well enough......but the "wing thing" just doesn't jibe.
1) the use of three giant helicarriers to shoot people when drones would have been more realistic in this day and age.
2) pretty much the whole use of The Winter Soldier. There was no real reason other than to fuel an "OMG! BUCKY'S BACK" moment. (And while we're on that.....Bucky's one of a few comic characters (along with Ben Parker, Gwen Stacy, Thomas and Martha Wayne and Jor-El) who have died who should NEVER come back.)
3) Falcon. The character was done well enough......but the "wing thing" just doesn't jibe.
badmojo1006
Footballguy
Just saw it and really enjoyed it. Great action flick. And I did see the Newman's Own Spaghetti Sauce in Redford's fridge
However, the movie should have been rated R. Because when Nick Fury was stuck in that ambush, I really wanted Samuel L Jackson to drop 20 or 30 F Bombs like only he can
However, the movie should have been rated R. Because when Nick Fury was stuck in that ambush, I really wanted Samuel L Jackson to drop 20 or 30 F Bombs like only he can
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Not to mention Hulk or Thor.
Thor has moved to Earth to be with Jane. It was the second after credit scene in Thor The Dark World
FUBAR
Footballguy
Agree with all of this.
Seems the Winter Soldier was there just to drive the 3rd movie and continue to show that Cap is a really "good guy".
Falcon rocks, but taking a guy, even a former Special Forces dude, from the VA and having him fight as well as he did is a big leap. Sure, he's in shape but shooting skills are perishable and he hadn't seen his flight suit in years.
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flysack
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Well at least those two guys are typically unreachable. Hulk typically in solitude somewhere and Thor in another realm. Stark has a freaking tower in NYC.
Right, and I'm sure Cap could have just texted Thor on his Thunder God cellphone.
Also, at the end of I3, Stark blew up all his suits, and trying to take out three helicarriers in Armani might not work out so well.
The only glaring omission to me was Hawkeye. Shouldn't have he been involved in a SHIELD-centered story? But I think the actor was busy with other projects, and mustn't have been contractually obligated to do a Cap film.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Thor has moved to Earth to be with Jane. It was the second after credit scene in Thor The Dark World
Right, and I'm sure Cap could have just texted Thor on his Thunder God cellphone.
Right, and I'm sure Cap could have just texted Thor on his Thunder God cellphone.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Thor has moved to Earth to be with Jane. It was the second after credit scene in Thor The Dark World
Right, and I'm sure Cap could have just texted Thor on his Thunder God cellphone.
Also, at the end of I3, Stark blew up all his suits, and trying to take out three helicarriers in Armani might not work out so well.
The only glaring omission to me was Hawkeye. Shouldn't have he been involved in a SHIELD-centered story? But I think the actor was busy with other projects, and mustn't have been contractually obligated to do a Cap film.
Right, and I'm sure Cap could have just texted Thor on his Thunder God cellphone.
Also, at the end of I3, Stark blew up all his suits, and trying to take out three helicarriers in Armani might not work out so well.
The only glaring omission to me was Hawkeye. Shouldn't have he been involved in a SHIELD-centered story? But I think the actor was busy with other projects, and mustn't have been contractually obligated to do a Cap film.
Not a big deal as the whole movie requires we suspend belief in the real world, I just think it is something pretty easy to handle. IM3 didnt provide any explanation about the other's whereabouts either iirc.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
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FUBAR
Footballguy
Right, and I'm sure Cap could have just texted Thor on his Thunder God cellphone.Also, at the end of I3, Stark blew up all his suits, and trying to take out three helicarriers in Armani might not work out so well.
The only glaring omission to me was Hawkeye. Shouldn't have he been involved in a SHIELD-centered story? But I think the actor was busy with other projects, and mustn't have been contractually obligated to do a Cap film.
The only glaring omission to me was Hawkeye. Shouldn't have he been involved in a SHIELD-centered story? But I think the actor was busy with other projects, and mustn't have been contractually obligated to do a Cap film.
But, Fury did say to not trust anybody. Maybe that included the guy who helped make the aircraft and the guy who had worked for Loki, even if he was brainwashed
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Chaka
Footballguy
Seriously people did you never read comic books when you were kids?
If it's a Captain America movie you shouldn't expect any other heroes to show (and any that do, Black Widow, Falcon etc. should be viewed as awesome gravy) and you shouldn't expect them to explain why Thor doesn't just show up and hammer the #### out of everything. It just is.
If it's a Captain America movie you shouldn't expect any other heroes to show (and any that do, Black Widow, Falcon etc. should be viewed as awesome gravy) and you shouldn't expect them to explain why Thor doesn't just show up and hammer the #### out of everything. It just is.
FUBAR
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
Those two things, sure, but wasn't he there because they thought he was the only person that can take these high level targets out? He was a hired gun. Thought it worked great.
badmojo1006
Footballguy
And the other little tidbit I missed but my daughter brought up.
Nick Fury's grave had Ezekiel 25:17 engraved on it.
Nick Fury's grave had Ezekiel 25:17 engraved on it.
FUBAR
Footballguy
badmojo1006
Footballguy
The Bandit
Footballguy
Thought it was great, not sure where I would rank it as Avengers is still #1 for me. Echo a lot of others comments, Cap and Falcon were genuine, the action sequences were pretty amazing. Only thing missing to me was most of the previous movies had more levity to them, more humor and a lighter tone. No wonder considering the subject matter, but this one was so much more serious.
Another nitpick would have been I would have liked to have seen the rest of the rank & file Shield personnel holding their own. Other than the control room scene, or the Winter Soldier taking out all the pilots, most of the good Shield agents looked very inept. I get it would have been a shock, and a lot of the better agents would have been Hydra, but a few quick scenes of them fighting back would have been nice.
As for the other Avengers, I think its much easier to explain away their lack of presence in this movie than say IM3. Especially in light of the Agents of Shield tv show which added more info. There are like 8 main Shield bases, so Hawkeye might have been at one of those or on assignment. Winter Soldier takes place over a matter of days as well, not a lot of time for Cap to assemble together others to help him.
It was much harder to believe you have this huge terrorist Mandarin bombing the American soil for months, and Shield wasn't able to do anything about it until Stark stepped in.
Another nitpick would have been I would have liked to have seen the rest of the rank & file Shield personnel holding their own. Other than the control room scene, or the Winter Soldier taking out all the pilots, most of the good Shield agents looked very inept. I get it would have been a shock, and a lot of the better agents would have been Hydra, but a few quick scenes of them fighting back would have been nice.
As for the other Avengers, I think its much easier to explain away their lack of presence in this movie than say IM3. Especially in light of the Agents of Shield tv show which added more info. There are like 8 main Shield bases, so Hawkeye might have been at one of those or on assignment. Winter Soldier takes place over a matter of days as well, not a lot of time for Cap to assemble together others to help him.
It was much harder to believe you have this huge terrorist Mandarin bombing the American soil for months, and Shield wasn't able to do anything about it until Stark stepped in.
Hawks64
Footballguy
1. It's more effecient to have three giant helicarries linked to satelites to target and hit anything on the earth is a smidge more efficient than drones.
2. It's part of cannon, you don't like it don't see Comic Book movies
3. Great translation to the big screen IMO.
Hawks64
Footballguy
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Then why not just have him attempt to snipe Fury instead of that lscene with Washington PD where they machine gun his car, then set that battering ram up.....only to have him escape and somehow drive right onto the same road as the WS?
I get it....they're comic book movies. There's a certain level of comic book "suspension of disbelief" that comes with the territory. I do think though, that these current MARVEL movies, more or less were successful in getting away from that; that they were "smart" comic book movies. While I thought the overal story was smart.....I thought that some of the action slide back into that more "ludicrous" territory.
Hawks64
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Chaka
Footballguy
How is that relevant? Do you expect the Avengers (whatever the incarnation they are at the time) to show up and save the day in a Fantastic Four or Spider-Man comic? Of course not. The basic premise is that the other heroes are busy saving the world from another menace and only Cap or the X-Men or Luke Cage or Daredevil or whoever is who is available to deal with the specific threat that is presented in this specific story line. Sure it would be easy to have Thor or the Hulk show up and smash the menace of the week but that wouldn't make for a very good comic.
So let it go. Iron Man or Thor didn't show up because they were busy so let's accept that as a basic premise and move on.
Awesome film.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Enjoyed it immensely.
It was a bit Dark Knight-ish in that it was a good story that happened to have a superhero in it.
Actually, I think I might have liked it better than Dark Knight. DK got a little to self important by the end.
It was a bit Dark Knight-ish in that it was a good story that happened to have a superhero in it.
Actually, I think I might have liked it better than Dark Knight. DK got a little to self important by the end.
cstu
Footballguy
Explain the reason they needed three linked helicarriers instead of just one (more) that each have a satellite link? Seemed very forced to drag out the final battle.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
This movie is awesome.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Lol. Just watched as well. Best of the entire universe and one of the best action movies I can remember in some time.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
Excellent flick. Finally got around to both Cap movies and I liked them immensely.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
The first Cap, Thor and Iron Man movies seem to have gotten better since the MCU exploded.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Continuing a previous post of mine... i am invested in these characters. The casting directors are the best in the business.
FUBAR
Footballguy
True, but I found the first unwatchable at first. Now it's just not on the same level as the others.I think the Thor movies are the "worst" of the bunch.Just ok. Loki stole the show.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I was most worried about the first Thor going into it. I turned out to be pretty good and fun. I did not like the second at all. I also think each iron man has been progressively worse.True, but I found the first unwatchable at first. Now it's just not on the same level as the others.I think the Thor movies are the "worst" of the bunch.
NCCommish
Footballguy
The first one was a little too campy. But they managed to pull it out with the final act into an OK movie. Second was much better. The first Cap film was also kind of sucky and it never really got better. The second blows it away and is certainly one of the best of the bunch. A great action film if nothing else.True, but I found the first unwatchable at first. Now it's just not on the same level as the others.I think the Thor movies are the "worst" of the bunch.
flysack
Footballguy
Nick Fury would be so much more awesome if he dropped a Samuel L "n-gga" at the end of every sentence, followed by "motherf---er."Just saw it and really enjoyed it. Great action flick. And I did see the Newman's Own Spaghetti Sauce in Redford's fridge
However, the movie should have been rated R. Because when Nick Fury was stuck in that ambush, I really wanted Samuel L Jackson to drop 20 or 30 F Bombs like only he can
Also if he referred to Cap as "white boy" all the time.
Falcon: "Nick we're in deep trouble! That hellacarrier is about to launch!"
Nick: "Chill n!@ga. I got my white boy on it. Motherf#$ker can't dance worth a sh!@ but he can bust some hydra a@# like ain't nobody's business."
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packersfan
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I like the Thor movies but I agree they aren't as good as the Iron Man or Captain America films.
But I am rather partial to Natalie Portman so perhaps that factors into my evaluation.
but I agree they aren't as good as the Iron Man or Captain America films.But I am rather partial to Natalie Portman so perhaps that factors into my evaluation.
