Carolina Panthers are officially on the clock (1 Viewer)

[SaintsInDome2006]

Bring in HarbaughTrade a 2nd round pick for Kevin KolbDraft EJ Green after sliding down a couple of spots Harbaugh is NOT linked to Luck and the only reason people think this is because they are both at Stanford. Harbaugh knows you have to win now, Luck will not be that type of player for this team. Sure he should be good but give me Kolb and Green every day over Luck.

Would you trade picks for Peyton Manning? How about Matt Ryan? As a franchise you only get this chance once in a lifetime and you have to take the "risk" that Luck will be someone you build around. Everyone says he is the real deal. Everyone. It makes no sense to trade down and acquire picks. How many picks do you think you can get? Even then you are praying that all of those pan out, meanwhile whoever you traded with just set themselves up for 15 years. It is moronic to say trade Luck for pics, there is no sense in that at all.

Moronaic may be a bit extreme don't ya think. If not then let's stay with it. How many upper echelon, top tier, #1 QB's have panned out to be the QB of the franchise for 15 years as you say?Not everyone believes Luck is a can't miss this year. How many picks would someone give up to move up to select Luck, silly question since we don't have a partner and we don't know their draft position and need.I get it, you want Luck...probably just should have said that

This is true.It's not just a question of the QB and his talent. It's teh question of the situation he ends up in.Where would Drew Brees be without Sean Payton?Where would Peyton Manning have been without Tom Moore?If Luck went to a John Fox (or someone like him) who knows what he'd become.As a really good example look at Archie Manning's career some time.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

If there is a rookie cap after the CBA is done, the first pick may actually be tradeable. Most years nobody wants to deal with the high salary and risk. But if that salary is capped, there are a few teams that may want Luck (Skins, Viks, Cardinals, Bills, 49ers, etc) and be willing to deal some picks. Carolina needs picks more than a QB.

It's very likely the draft happens before the new CBA is agreed to (and before the old CBA expires). The uncertainty around the new CBA will likely preclude anyone from trading up to #1 overall slot.

an interesting comment from Andrew Brandt today:

Whereas Sam Bradford – the top pick in the 2010 Draft – has a contract that maxes out at $78 million, I am told the top pick in the 2011 Draft will have a contract that maxes out at around $20 million.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Andrew...ilbag-5876.html

 

[TheWheel]

For one, where is the real proof John Fox is out? The media has been acting like this is a done deal and he is a lame duck. This team is only a few years removed from being a consistent playoff team. Merril Hoge (-_-) had them in the Super Bowl for the five years prior to this one. This would change everything in terms of team building. The moment Fox leaves you gotta rebuild. If he stays they can use the pick to get a lot better. You can honestly trade the first pick to a team that really really wants Luck. If the Niners tie the bow and get Harbaugh they are gonna want Luck. The Panthers can get a really early first rounder, take whoever they want, and get a lot more picks. The impending lockout favors Fox as well.

Clausen is an interesting case. If Fox sticks around and he's a gamer, he'll start and they'll compete at great value. If Fox is gone, he's nothing. Matt Moore was great last year, I wonder what happened.

I dunno how the draft will shake out, but they really need a bigtime WR. Steve Smith can contribute, but he was best with Muhammed to move the chains. More importantly, they need a defensive tackle. They simply cannot stop the run. Chris Gamble is a shutdown corner. You can't shutdown #### when you don't stop the run. They really don't need a QB. Matt Moore and Clausen.

And, as alluded to, things are situational. Andrew Luck can be Peyton Manning...with Tony Dungy or Drew Brees...with Marty Schottenheimer. Harbaugh isn't gonna uproot his existence and go to Carolina just to be with a QB. Anybody who goes anywhere can fail. Even fantastic coaching staff and excellent talent can fail to mix. Laurence Maroney was the #### coming outta Minnesota and went to the best team this decade. Yet he failed. Football is not simple. How many times has the first pick been venomous? Recently, nobody wants it.

The rookie scale is very problematic. Expect holdouts to go up. They can't force a guy to play for less. Unless it has very well defined incentives that can bump the pay to as large as veterans. The other option would have to be a pay ceiling based on experience.

 

[gandalas]

The question is not whether I think Clausen is a viable NFL QB or not, or what any of us here think. What matters is what the Panthers think. It's not very common that a team drafts a QB in the early rounds two years in a row and force two young QB prospects to cohabitate on the roster from the start. I don't think the Panthers will judge they have seen enough of Clausen to conclude he's not the answer, and I don't think they draft a QB with #1 unless they trade this pick or Clausen.

Dolphins drafted John Beck in 2nd round in 2007, Chad Henne in 2nd round in 2008, and Pat White in the 2nd round in 2009.

 

[EBF]

For one, where is the real proof John Fox is out? The media has been acting like this is a done deal and he is a lame duck. This team is only a few years removed from being a consistent playoff team. Merril Hoge (-_-) had them in the Super Bowl for the five years prior to this one. This would change everything in terms of team building. The moment Fox leaves you gotta rebuild. If he stays they can use the pick to get a lot better. You can honestly trade the first pick to a team that really really wants Luck. If the Niners tie the bow and get Harbaugh they are gonna want Luck. The Panthers can get a really early first rounder, take whoever they want, and get a lot more picks. The impending lockout favors Fox as well.Clausen is an interesting case. If Fox sticks around and he's a gamer, he'll start and they'll compete at great value. If Fox is gone, he's nothing. Matt Moore was great last year, I wonder what happened. I dunno how the draft will shake out, but they really need a bigtime WR. Steve Smith can contribute, but he was best with Muhammed to move the chains. More importantly, they need a defensive tackle. They simply cannot stop the run. Chris Gamble is a shutdown corner. You can't shutdown #### when you don't stop the run. They really don't need a QB. Matt Moore and Clausen. And, as alluded to, things are situational. Andrew Luck can be Peyton Manning...with Tony Dungy or Drew Brees...with Marty Schottenheimer. Harbaugh isn't gonna uproot his existence and go to Carolina just to be with a QB. Anybody who goes anywhere can fail. Even fantastic coaching staff and excellent talent can fail to mix. Laurence Maroney was the #### coming outta Minnesota and went to the best team this decade. Yet he failed. Football is not simple. How many times has the first pick been venomous? Recently, nobody wants it.The rookie scale is very problematic. Expect holdouts to go up. They can't force a guy to play for less. Unless it has very well defined incentives that can bump the pay to as large as veterans. The other option would have to be a pay ceiling based on experience.

Clausen has shown nothing this season and the team has a black hole at QB. Given the importance of the QB position in the NFL and the fact that a lot of onlookers view Luck as the best player in the draft, picking him would make a lot of sense for the Panthers. He would fill a major need for them. Even if Fox stays, I don't see how Luck isn't the pick that makes the most sense in terms of improving the team immediately and for the future. Of course, there's more to a football team than the QB and Carolina needs help in several positions, but it's no coincidence that the teams who consistently make the playoffs are the teams with top flight QBs. Look around the league. Indy, San Diego, New England, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Green Bay, New Orleans, Atlanta. A legitimate franchise QB means stability and a > .500 record every season. With most of the pundits agreeing that Andrew Luck is a legitimate franchise QB, I don't see how anyone passes on him at 1.01 unless they already have their QB. Carolina doesn't. They have a question mark.

 

[Steed]

For one, where is the real proof John Fox is out? The media has been acting like this is a done deal and he is a lame duck. This team is only a few years removed from being a consistent playoff team. Merril Hoge (-_-) had them in the Super Bowl for the five years prior to this one. This would change everything in terms of team building. The moment Fox leaves you gotta rebuild. If he stays they can use the pick to get a lot better. You can honestly trade the first pick to a team that really really wants Luck. If the Niners tie the bow and get Harbaugh they are gonna want Luck. The Panthers can get a really early first rounder, take whoever they want, and get a lot more picks. The impending lockout favors Fox as well.

Fox was on Sirius NFL radio today and basically admitted as much. And his contract is up after a 2-14 season, your case for him staying is a weak one. they have to rebuild with or without him.

 

[SoBeDad]

The question is not whether I think Clausen is a viable NFL QB or not, or what any of us here think. What matters is what the Panthers think. It's not very common that a team drafts a QB in the early rounds two years in a row and force two young QB prospects to cohabitate on the roster from the start. I don't think the Panthers will judge they have seen enough of Clausen to conclude he's not the answer, and I don't think they draft a QB with #1 unless they trade this pick or Clausen.

Dolphins drafted John Beck in 2nd round in 2007, Chad Henne in 2nd round in 2008, and Pat White in the 2nd round in 2009.

Miami drafted Jake Long with the first pick of the 2008 draft and then Henne in the middle of the second round. It could've been Matt Ryan and another player. Even though Long is going to his 3rd consecutive Pro Bowl, I'd rather have Ryan. It's not easy to get a franchise QB in the second round. The Pat White pick is why Ireland should be fired, which might affect Sparano..

 

[lod01]

If they don't get Luck there's a good chance this team pick #1 in 2012 also. They won't win a game in their own division. They get a last place schedule but they are the worst of the worst.

 

[BassNBrew]

For one, where is the real proof John Fox is out?

Foxy has been taking shots at the GM and ownership for weeks. He's gone and good riddance too. The guy doesn't have the mental capacity to compete in today's NFL on a regular basis. He could get by with decent coordinators, but we hire guys that get canned by the Browns.

 

[Worm]

I fully expect the Panthers to draft Luck and then trade next year's first rounder for a 2nd rounder this year.

 

[pantherclub]

For one, where is the real proof John Fox is out?

Foxy has been taking shots at the GM and ownership for weeks. He's gone and good riddance too. The guy doesn't have the mental capacity to compete in today's NFL on a regular basis. He could get by with decent coordinators, but we hire guys that get canned by the Browns.

He reminds of a 80's style coach. Loves the conservative game calling, loves running and playing bend dont break defense. He refused to adapt or simply didnt know how when it came to offensive styles.His game plan for everyone was basically, run, run, pass. Run, run, pass. On defense it was the solid 4-3 with little to no blitzing and no adaptation during a game when a wr was blowing you up. See Fitzgerald playoffs 2008.

 

[pantherclub]

I fully expect the Panthers to draft Luck and then trade next year's first rounder for a 2nd rounder this year.

Its pretty amazing that between the Everette Brown trade, the qb draft fiasco of 2010 and the godawful Armanti Edwards draft nightmare that marty Hurney still has a job. You dont see good or even average franchises doing that type of stupid drafting. I am positive that within the Patriot HQ they laugh daily at our stupidity.