Carolina Panthers (1 Viewer)

[DeaLerZ]

could you have ever have guessed that one?? lol ... i know they will most likely come back down to earth... but damn you have to sit back and say WOW!...because of one guy this team is completely different on offense.

2nd only to the ridiculous New England Patriots who are nearly 100 yards ahead of everyone else.. and i find it somehow ironic that after some of San Diego's coaching staff went to the Panthers they are sitting right above the Chargers themselves in total offense...

that ladies and gentleman is why the QB is the most important position in football... and leaves the question for the day.. with Carolina's new "Toy" in Cam Newton.. revamped offense with the additions of Shockey/Olsen/Nanee.. and a new coaching staff that has taken a lot of San Diego's offensive/defensive mindset with them.....

is it realistic to believe that the Panthers can keep up the pace??

 

[Sweet Love]

To say they can keep up this pace would be unrealistic, but I think they may be able to sneak into the top 10 at best.

 

[NCCommish]

To say they can keep up this pace would be unrealistic, but I think they may be able to sneak into the top 10 at best.

I think we will see them piling up stats as they try to stay in games. The defense has taken two big hits in Beason and Davis. Going to have to try to score to stay competitive.

 

[fightingillini]

The easy answer is no, they won't. Eventually the CAR coaching staff is going to realize that they're defense is bad and will have to start running the ball to keep them off the field. They have to get DeAngelo and Stewart going on the ground, because while Newton is playing great right now, he did make a lot of mistakes against GB that pretty much cost them the game. Opponents aren't going to care if Newton throws for 400 yards as long as they win the game.

Opposing teams are also likely to run the ball right down CAR's throat and keep Newton off the field. CAR D is pretty bad against the run, so I would suspect that in division games, you will see a healthy dose of Michael Turner, LeGarrette Blount, and Ingram/Thomas.

So no they won't but they are definitely going to be well above average from a fantasy perspective.

 

[timschochet]

Eventually the CAR coaching staff is going to realize that they're defense is bad and will have to start running the ball to keep them off the field.

Not necessarily. Cam Newton has already become the man attraction on the team, and one of the main attractions in the entire NFL. Fans don't want to see him turned into a game manager. The coaching staff knows this. The best analogy I can offer is Michael Jordan's rookie season in the NBA. The Bulls were a lousy team. The Bulls' coaching staff knew that they had a better chance to win games when the ball was more evenly distributed. But the fans preferred to see Jordan score 40 points a night. So that's what happened.

 

[cvnpoka]

The easy answer is no, they won't. Eventually the CAR coaching staff is going to realize that they're defense is bad and will have to start running the ball to keep them off the field. They have to get DeAngelo and Stewart going on the ground, because while Newton is playing great right now, he did make a lot of mistakes against GB that pretty much cost them the game. Opponents aren't going to care if Newton throws for 400 yards as long as they win the game.

Opposing teams are also likely to run the ball right down CAR's throat and keep Newton off the field. CAR D is pretty bad against the run, so I would suspect that in division games, you will see a healthy dose of Michael Turner, LeGarrette Blount, and Ingram/Thomas.

So no they won't but they are definitely going to be well above average from a fantasy perspective.

not sure that running the ball for 2.5 ypc will be effective at keeping the defense off the field.

 

[Reepicheep]

Eventually the CAR coaching staff is going to realize that they're defense is bad and will have to start running the ball to keep them off the field.

Not necessarily. Cam Newton has already become the man attraction on the team, and one of the main attractions in the entire NFL. Fans don't want to see him turned into a game manager. The coaching staff knows this. The best analogy I can offer is Michael Jordan's rookie season in the NBA. The Bulls were a lousy team. The Bulls' coaching staff knew that they had a better chance to win games when the ball was more evenly distributed. But the fans preferred to see Jordan score 40 points a night. So that's what happened.

I wonder about this. My impression is that coaches generally couldn't care less what fans want. Obviously owners want to see butts in seats and the NFL is loving the Cam Newton Assault Squadron highlight reels, but how many owners are willing to lean on a coach about game planning to feature a popular player? You think this is something Richardson would do/is doing? There's also the added dynamic of coaches being judged on wins and losses, not ticket sales. Owners can't have it both ways, right?

 

[VaCatFan]

Right now, it looks like teams are daring Newton to beat them by stacking the box to stop the run. I imagine that until he starts beating teams, that will be the standard defense. Carolina hasn't been able to run with 7 and 8 in the box and Cam hasn't beaten anyone yet with his arm, so I don't expect things to change for a bit. I expect lots of passing yards, low running yards, and losses piling up. Wouldn't surprise me to see a RB each week with a bunch of catches and yards on short passes though.

 

[NCCommish]

Eventually the CAR coaching staff is going to realize that they're defense is bad and will have to start running the ball to keep them off the field.

Not necessarily. Cam Newton has already become the man attraction on the team, and one of the main attractions in the entire NFL. Fans don't want to see him turned into a game manager. The coaching staff knows this. The best analogy I can offer is Michael Jordan's rookie season in the NBA. The Bulls were a lousy team. The Bulls' coaching staff knew that they had a better chance to win games when the ball was more evenly distributed. But the fans preferred to see Jordan score 40 points a night. So that's what happened.

I wonder about this. My impression is that coaches generally couldn't care less what fans want. Obviously owners want to see butts in seats and the NFL is loving the Cam Newton Assault Squadron highlight reels, but how many owners are willing to lean on a coach about game planning to feature a popular player? You think this is something Richardson would do/is doing? There's also the added dynamic of coaches being judged on wins and losses, not ticket sales. Owners can't have it both ways, right?

Richardson is going to give this staff leeway this season. Excitement in a fan base that was checked out last season is just as important as wins to this franchise. More so from a purely financial standpoint. You had trouble giving away tickets last year now they are getting tougher to get. The fans are feeling forgiving and are going to take losses as long as this team stays interesting. And that means a heavy dose of Cam.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

The passing game will as they have no running game and the defense sucks. Keep it simple.

Cam is going to be a good QB, he has a lot to learn, but his skill set is unbelievable.

Steve Smith is still a stud, he just is, you can disagree...but his only downfall was not having a QB. :fixed:

 

[Grahamburn]

not sure that running the ball for 2.5 ypc will be effective at keeping the defense off the field.

You keep posting this, but it's not really relevant. The Panthers haven't even tried to run the ball yet. Anyone who has watched football knows the running game is something you often have to stick to before it gets going. See TB vs. Minnesota just this past week.

If a team gives up on it early in games because it's ineffective at first you usually lose. Kind of like Carolina has been.

 

[The Commish]

To say they can keep up this pace would be unrealistic, but I think they may be able to sneak into the top 10 at best.

I think we will see them piling up stats as they try to stay in games. The defense has taken two big hits in Beason and Davis. Going to have to try to score to stay competitive.

 

[BroadwayG]

I think they'll only ramp up the pace as they start to jell as a unit.

 

[BassNBrew]

The easy answer is no, they won't. Eventually the CAR coaching staff is going to realize that they're defense is bad and will have to start running the ball to keep them off the field. They have to get DeAngelo and Stewart going on the ground, because while Newton is playing great right now, he did make a lot of mistakes against GB that pretty much cost them the game. Opponents aren't going to care if Newton throws for 400 yards as long as they win the game.

Opposing teams are also likely to run the ball right down CAR's throat and keep Newton off the field. CAR D is pretty bad against the run, so I would suspect that in division games, you will see a healthy dose of Michael Turner, LeGarrette Blount, and Ingram/Thomas.

So no they won't but they are definitely going to be well above average from a fantasy perspective.

Time Of Pos. Green Bay 27:26 21 rush, 30 pass Carolina 32:34 21 rush, 46 passTime Of Pos. Carolina 32:47 27 rush, 37 pass; Arizona 27:13 25 rush, 27 pass

Carolina has won the time of posession battle by over 5 minutes in each of the first two games. Carolina has more rushing attemtps than their opponents. Cam moving the ball keeps the clock moving, two yard run plays don't.

 

[cvnpoka]

not sure that running the ball for 2.5 ypc will be effective at keeping the defense off the field.

You keep posting this, but it's not really relevant. The Panthers haven't even tried to run the ball yet. Anyone who has watched football knows the running game is something you often have to stick to before it gets going. See TB vs. Minnesota just this past week.



If a team gives up on it early in games because it's ineffective at first you usually lose. Kind of like Carolina has been.

ppl keep saying stuff like this but offering no evidence. ya know what logically allows a team to lose? stubbornly committing to plays that yield 2 yards at the expense of plays that are averaging 10.3.look, im just as frustrated as yall, i have deangelo on a few teams, stewart on a few, but its clear they dont deserve more touches nor that it would increase the teams chance to win.

and bassnbrew pretty much discredited the run pleaders stance more than i could imagine.

 

[levinakl]

The passing game will as they have no running game and the defense sucks. Keep it simple.Cam is going to be a good QB, he has a lot to learn, but his skill set is unbelievable.Steve Smith is still a stud, he just is, you can disagree...but his only downfall was not having a QB. :fixed:

Steve Smith's other downfall is also his health, or lack there of. I think he's a sell-high candidate to say the least...... close to dealing him in my keeper league for a potential future RB (either D. Thomas, Starks, etc)

 

[Reepicheep]

The easy answer is no, they won't. Eventually the CAR coaching staff is going to realize that they're defense is bad and will have to start running the ball to keep them off the field. They have to get DeAngelo and Stewart going on the ground, because while Newton is playing great right now, he did make a lot of mistakes against GB that pretty much cost them the game. Opponents aren't going to care if Newton throws for 400 yards as long as they win the game.

Opposing teams are also likely to run the ball right down CAR's throat and keep Newton off the field. CAR D is pretty bad against the run, so I would suspect that in division games, you will see a healthy dose of Michael Turner, LeGarrette Blount, and Ingram/Thomas.

So no they won't but they are definitely going to be well above average from a fantasy perspective.

Time Of Pos. Green Bay 27:26 21 rush, 30 pass Carolina 32:34 21 rush, 46 passTime Of Pos. Carolina 32:47 27 rush, 37 pass; Arizona 27:13 25 rush, 27 pass

Carolina has won the time of posession battle by over 5 minutes in each of the first two games. Carolina has more rushing attemtps than their opponents. Cam moving the ball keeps the clock moving, two yard run plays don't.

I know you watched the game this week. The Panthers got a 13-0 lead and went punt,int,punt,int,fumble,int while possessing the ball for only 8:21 in the second and third quarters combined, and with by my count only 6 rushes on those drives. On the game Cam had 10 rushes, I don't know how many were designed vs. scrambles but by memory I'd guess about half. I'm buying Cam as a future superstar but it's a stretch to think he's going to be able to win more than a small handful of games by himself.

 

[BassNBrew]

The easy answer is no, they won't. Eventually the CAR coaching staff is going to realize that they're defense is bad and will have to start running the ball to keep them off the field. They have to get DeAngelo and Stewart going on the ground, because while Newton is playing great right now, he did make a lot of mistakes against GB that pretty much cost them the game. Opponents aren't going to care if Newton throws for 400 yards as long as they win the game.

Opposing teams are also likely to run the ball right down CAR's throat and keep Newton off the field. CAR D is pretty bad against the run, so I would suspect that in division games, you will see a healthy dose of Michael Turner, LeGarrette Blount, and Ingram/Thomas.

So no they won't but they are definitely going to be well above average from a fantasy perspective.

Time Of Pos. Green Bay 27:26 21 rush, 30 pass Carolina 32:34 21 rush, 46 passTime Of Pos. Carolina 32:47 27 rush, 37 pass; Arizona 27:13 25 rush, 27 pass

Carolina has won the time of posession battle by over 5 minutes in each of the first two games. Carolina has more rushing attemtps than their opponents. Cam moving the ball keeps the clock moving, two yard run plays don't.

I know you watched the game this week. The Panthers got a 13-0 lead and went punt,int,punt,int,fumble,int while possessing the ball for only 8:21 in the second and third quarters combined, and with by my count only 6 rushes on those drives. On the game Cam had 10 rushes, I don't know how many were designed vs. scrambles but by memory I'd guess about half. I'm buying Cam as a future superstar but it's a stretch to think he's going to be able to win more than a small handful of games by himself.

Agreed...especially with the defense and ST giving up 2-3 50+ yd tds every week.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Is Cam a god in Charlotte yet? For 15 years, the Panthers have been a good team with no real stars. Now they have a guy who may be the star of stars, in the sport that is the star of sports.

What a great time to be a Panther fan. I'm stoked for all my SoVa and NC peeps.

 

[Reepicheep]

Is Cam a god in Charlotte yet? For 15 years, the Panthers have been a good team with no real stars. Now they have a guy who may be the star of stars, in the sport that is the star of sports.What a great time to be a Panther fan. I'm stoked for all my SoVa and NC peeps.

I was at the game Sunday, everyone seemed to be in a great mood considering the loss and Cam was obviously the talk of the town. Side note: Most family-friendly, pleasant NFL atmosphere I have ever experienced, from the tailgating to the stands and back out again. A++++, would buy again.

 

[DeaLerZ]

Is Cam a god in Charlotte yet? For 15 years, the Panthers have been a good team with no real stars. Now they have a guy who may be the star of stars, in the sport that is the star of sports.What a great time to be a Panther fan. I'm stoked for all my SoVa and NC peeps.

I was at the game Sunday, everyone seemed to be in a great mood considering the loss and Cam was obviously the talk of the town. Side note: Most family-friendly, pleasant NFL atmosphere I have ever experienced, from the tailgating to the stands and back out again. A++++, would buy again.

Hah me too man.. it was a fun game to watch.. and Cam Newton was electric to watch.. hell even Aaron Rodgers said "I am glad we played the Panthers early on in the season before Cam learns how to read defenses"

 

[NCCommish]

Is Cam a god in Charlotte yet? For 15 years, the Panthers have been a good team with no real stars. Now they have a guy who may be the star of stars, in the sport that is the star of sports.What a great time to be a Panther fan. I'm stoked for all my SoVa and NC peeps.

It's definitely a big change. The fan base is truly excited and the games are fun again. I'm a very happy fan.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

If Jeff Otah can get healthy and stay healthy, the running game might improve. That rookie UDFA they had in there against the Packers was terrible.

 

[DeaLerZ]

had to bring this one back up... because it has been 4 weeks and they are #3 overall.. and they are looking sick today

 

[The Commish]

So, exactly how many different ways ARE there to give a game away? This team seems to be exploring them all

 

[Homer]

had to bring this one back up... because it has been 4 weeks and they are #3 overall.. and they are looking sick today

Watch the Steve Smith TD catch and tell me the 5'9'' dude isn't the best athlete in the NFL...Then watch the DeAngelo TD and tell me that with J. Stewart BETTER THAN HE IS and Olson/Shockey at TE that there isn't SICK talent for Cam to 'raise the tide" for?

 

[solorca]

Watching the Panthers this season.makes me think they could be next years Lions. Just need to spend money on the defense in the offseason, and get their injures players back.

 

[Trizzler]

Now that we're five games into the season, I think the answer to the original question is Yes, they can definitely keep this pace up.

We finally saw Deangelo Williams bust out (even if most of it came on one play) and yet Newton was still the star on offense. I think the coaching staff has relegated themselves to the realization that they simply aren't on track to win many games this year due to the weakness of their defense- this season is all about letting the God-sent rookie air out his mistakes and build excitement in the fan base, then make the necessary moves in the off-season to build a team that can compete for a ring.

 

[solorca]

Now that we're five games into the season, I think the answer to the original question is Yes, they can definitely keep this pace up.We finally saw Deangelo Williams bust out (even if most of it came on one play) and yet Newton was still the star on offense. I think the coaching staff has relegated themselves to the realization that they simply aren't on track to win many games this year due to the weakness of their defense- this season is all about letting the God-sent rookie air out his mistakes and build excitement in the fan base, then make the necessary moves in the off-season to build a team that can compete for a ring.

As a Panther's fan, I think you're right. I have to admit that I have not been pleased at all with Rivera's game management, but I think that they have the team in a position to show great improvement next year. Step one, be a competitive team, step two, start to put it together into wins.I see Carolina putting together enough to win about 4-5 games this year, maybe 6 if things go right. Use that early pick on one of the better defensive tackles or possible a top WR if they are available.Feeling good about the future, but we need to get Beason back next year, along with another great playmaker or two on defense to really turn things around as the team moves forward. I also hope that Legadu Nanee finally gets benched, because otherwise, they are going to continue feeding him the ball when he appears open...only for him to drop everything imaginable.