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Adam Schein / Special to FOXSports.comNine nuggets as draft day gets ever closer ...1. I'll take a stance that's been very unpopular in NFL circles over the last few weeks and make the case for LenDale White.The former USC running back has seen his stock fall faster than a rock in water since the college football season ended. White has yet to run the 40-yard dash, skipping the event at both the combines in February and at USC pro day the first Sunday in April.A running back not getting timed in the 40 before the draft is unheard of, and perhaps, costing White millions of dollars.And what's worse, there has been a perception that truly has become reality — that White is lazy, carefree, and overweight. He weighed in at 244 pounds on the April 2nd pro day for the Trojans, six pounds heavier than at the combine.The red flags were raised and the questions were asked aloud, almost in unison by NFL executives, about how committed White was to the game and just how far the running back would plummet in the draft.White joined us for 20 minutes on the air this past Tuesday. And it is worth noting he answered his phone when my producer said he would call and told us he would stay on the line as long as needed. Right away you could tell it wasn't the same attitude when he foolishly blew off Sports Illustrated writer Mike Silver earlier in the month and, according to reports, didn't treat interviews with NFL coaches and general managers as job interviews.And White explained, in great detail, everything that has happened over the last few months.The running back says he didn't run at the combines because of a bad hamstring. He fully planned on running at the USC pro day, but opted not to when the hammy got tight the morning of the workout. White further explained that he dined with John Fox, Jim Skipper, and other members of the Panthers organization the night before the event. They told him that if he felt any twinge or problem whatsoever, he shouldn't participate, stressing it wasn't worth running the 40 if he would miss mini-camp as a result. And White said he agreed with that assessment 100%, saying he would never want to get off to a bad start with the team that drafted him.(Though it is pretty darn fascinating that it was Carolina that suggested White not run at the pro day when the team picks at 27 and the Panthers, in theory, desperately need someone with his skill sets. Could the Panthers coach literally and figuratively be as sly as a Fox? Just a thought.)When pressed about his weight, White said he actually weighed more, 254 pounds to be exact, during his fantastic 2005 season, when he was barreling over the competition. White acknowledged he has always had a weight problem, but it has never affected his play on the field.The running back was passionate when talking about his love for the game and how he hates that this hamstring injury is keeping him from working out. White is visiting a hamstring specialist in his hometown of Denver, and insisted he is going to run the 40, assuming he's healthy, before the draft. And he also insisted that the results of that workout will be public.White was also adamant that he did treat meetings with coaches and general managers seriously. He specifically cited meetings with the Panthers, Steelers, Jets, and Raiders as very positive experiences, and mentioned his love for his hometown Broncos and coach Mike Shanahan and that it would be a dream to be a pro ball player in Denver.And White got a bit loud when I asked him about that blurred line between perception and reality, that he was lackadaisical and rather rotund, and falling rapidly as an NFL prospect.
Don't pass on Lendale.
 
Don't pass on Lendale.
I was never that high on him but the weight issue is too much. When is the last time a 250 pound RB been featured in the NFL? If he's playing at 255, that's something I didnt know and another big red flag.
 
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:tinfoilhat: Doesn't explain why White could only lift the bar 15 times. It seems obvious that White had not prepared for his proday and he was looking for any excuse not to run.
 
Jerome Bettis. The future HOFer just retired.
Exactly. Several high profile prospects have weighed 250. Bettis is the last one to have been featured and that was several years ago. Most 250+ pounders, including Bettis late in his career, have only been RBBC guys.
 
Jerome Bettis. The future HOFer just retired.
Exactly. Several high profile prospects have weighed 250. Bettis is the last one to have been featured and that was several years ago. Most 250+ pounders, including Bettis late in his career, have only been RBBC guys.
Yeah but....Bettis wasn't the second RB in a RBBC in COLLEGE.

White could be Bettis, or he could be Duece McAllsiter(whos good, but not great)

BTW-The 40 is overrated. Not many chances to run 40 yards untouched in a game straight.

I'd like to see him do a 10 or 15 yards dash.

15 reps? low number=softy.

Red Alert player all the way.

 
In a related note, Carolina told me not to work too hard today, and perhaps spend most of my time at this board.

We'll see how that works out as well.

 
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there are 2 major factors with lendale white that I consider alerts. 1 - the weak bench press effort. are you kidding me?.....struggling to put up the weight 15 times? but the weight fluctuation is 2ndly more important. guys that stay in shape year round and run consistently and routinely will have far less trouble with nagging injuries like hammies, etc. white strikes me as a guy who will shovel everything at the table into his hole once the season is over and get in shape when the time comes. if Im drafting a guy in the 1st round, i need assurances that they guy will not become a world class eater in the offseason. no way would i risk an early pick on a RB who'll gain 15 pounds in a week.

 
Bush to Texans, Williams to Denver? White to Carolina?, Maroney to Indy? Where does that leave Addai, Drew and Calhoun (and maybe Norwood and Harrison).

 
Bush to Texans, Williams to Denver? White to Carolina?, Maroney to Indy? Where does that leave Addai, Drew and Calhoun (and maybe Norwood and Harrison).
They are going to be back up somewhere those guys dont have the skills to be starters in the NFL.Even Maroney is a borderline starter , he ain t first round material.

 
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Bettis wasn't the second RB in a RBBC in COLLEGE.
:unsure: It's hard to find stats from back then to back this up completely, but near as I can tell 1992, Jerome Bettis' last year at Notre Dame, saw the number 3 all-time rushing season in Notre Dame history with 1343 yards. That season was highlighted by 2 of the top rushing yardage games by a single player in Notre Dame history with 227 yards against USC, and 205 yards against purdue. That Running back: Reggie Brooks

I guess you're right that Bettis wasn't the number 2 in a committee at tailback. Bettis was the starting fullback.

 
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:tinfoilhat: Doesn't explain why White could only lift the bar 15 times. It seems obvious that White had not prepared for his proday and he was looking for any excuse not to run.
:goodposting: And wasn't he wearing a bro at the Pro day :penalty:

 
:tinfoilhat: Doesn't explain why White could only lift the bar 15 times.  It seems obvious that White had not prepared for his proday and he was looking for any excuse not to run.
:goodposting: And wasn't he wearing a bra at the Pro day :penalty:
OH NO! You mean to tell me he has "Man-arys"?!?!Does he menstrate as well?

:X

 
Bettis wasn't the second RB in a RBBC in COLLEGE.
:unsure: It's hard to find stats from back then to back this up completely, but near as I can tell 1992, Jerome Bettis' last year at Notre Dame, saw the number 3 all-time rushing season in Notre Dame history with 1343 yards. That season was highlighted by 2 of the top rushing yardage games by a single player in Notre Dame history with 227 yards against USC, and 205 yards against purdue. That Running back: Reggie Brooks

I guess you're right that Bettis wasn't the number 2 in a committee at tailback. Bettis was the starting fullback.
:D
 
Bettis wasn't the second RB in a RBBC in COLLEGE.
:unsure: It's hard to find stats from back then to back this up completely, but near as I can tell 1992, Jerome Bettis' last year at Notre Dame, saw the number 3 all-time rushing season in Notre Dame history with 1343 yards. That season was highlighted by 2 of the top rushing yardage games by a single player in Notre Dame history with 227 yards against USC, and 205 yards against purdue. That Running back: Reggie Brooks

I guess you're right that Bettis wasn't the number 2 in a committee at tailback. Bettis was the starting fullback.
The Killer B's is what they called them.Reggie Brooks

Jerome Bettis

Lee Bectin

 
Bettis wasn't the second RB in a RBBC in COLLEGE.
:unsure: It's hard to find stats from back then to back this up completely, but near as I can tell 1992, Jerome Bettis' last year at Notre Dame, saw the number 3 all-time rushing season in Notre Dame history with 1343 yards. That season was highlighted by 2 of the top rushing yardage games by a single player in Notre Dame history with 227 yards against USC, and 205 yards against purdue. That Running back: Reggie Brooks

I guess you're right that Bettis wasn't the number 2 in a committee at tailback. Bettis was the starting fullback.
The Killer B's is what they called them.Reggie Brooks

Jerome Bettis

Lee Bectin
Pretty sure it was Becton. I think that was around the time when DB Jeffrey Burress would also take some snaps on offense as well, adding another "B" to the mix. :grad: :nerd:
 
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:tinfoilhat: Doesn't explain why White could only lift the bar 15 times. It seems obvious that White had not prepared for his proday and he was looking for any excuse not to run.
I was curious how many times I could put up 225 lbs. on the bench (you know, comparing myself to the pros :nerd: ), so the other day I dropped and with no warm up busted out 17 reps. I've lifted since high school, but I'm short, fat, 31 years old, and run the 40 in about 6.3 seconds. You would think a college age kid that's spent 3 years in an environment surrounded by state-of-the-art training facilities, training staff, nutritionists, competitive peers, and tutors doing his homework for him would be able to outproduce MY sorry butt.I'd pass on the guy in the 1st round.

 
:tinfoilhat: Doesn't explain why White could only lift the bar 15 times.  It seems obvious that White had not prepared for his proday and he was looking for any excuse not to run.
I was curious how many times I could put up 225 lbs. on the bench (you know, comparing myself to the pros :nerd: ), so the other day I dropped and with no warm up busted out 17 reps. I've lifted since high school, but I'm short, fat, 31 years old, and run the 40 in about 6.3 seconds. You would think a college age kid that's spent 3 years in an environment surrounded by state-of-the-art training facilities, training staff, nutritionists, competitive peers, and tutors doing his homework for him would be able to outproduce MY sorry butt.I'd pass on the guy in the 1st round.
this would make for an intereting TV series..
 
Bush to Texans, Williams to Denver? White to Carolina?, Maroney to Indy? Where does that leave Addai, Drew and Calhoun (and maybe Norwood and Harrison).
They are going to be back up somewhere those guys dont have the skills to be starters in the NFL.Even Maroney is a borderline starter , he ain t first round material.
Domanick Davis, Rudi Johnson, Clinton Portis and many many others have shown that you do not need to be a first round pick to be a starter in the NFL. That was not the question though. The question did not even concern their potential starter status. The question (for those in the back of the class) was (and is) who is going to draft them.

 
:tinfoilhat: Doesn't explain why White could only lift the bar 15 times.  It seems obvious that White had not prepared for his proday and he was looking for any excuse not to run.
I was curious how many times I could put up 225 lbs. on the bench (you know, comparing myself to the pros :nerd: ), so the other day I dropped and with no warm up busted out 17 reps. I've lifted since high school, but I'm short, fat, 31 years old, and run the 40 in about 6.3 seconds. You would think a college age kid that's spent 3 years in an environment surrounded by state-of-the-art training facilities, training staff, nutritionists, competitive peers, and tutors doing his homework for him would be able to outproduce MY sorry butt.I'd pass on the guy in the 1st round.
this would make for an intereting TV series..
They should totally put it on a network marketed to guys...
 
Bush to Texans, Williams to Denver? White to Carolina?, Maroney to Indy? Where does that leave Addai, Drew and Calhoun (and maybe Norwood and Harrison).
They are going to be back up somewhere those guys dont have the skills to be starters in the NFL.Even Maroney is a borderline starter , he ain t first round material.
Yeah...I hate RBs who run well, are fast, have a good burst, have a nose for the endzone, and can catch the ball very well out of the backfield....most NFL teams do as well (Calhoun)Addai is solid as well...

Drew...just think he is too small to be a productive back...could be good in kick returns.

 
Bettis wasn't the second RB in a RBBC in COLLEGE.
:unsure: It's hard to find stats from back then to back this up completely, but near as I can tell 1992, Jerome Bettis' last year at Notre Dame, saw the number 3 all-time rushing season in Notre Dame history with 1343 yards. That season was highlighted by 2 of the top rushing yardage games by a single player in Notre Dame history with 227 yards against USC, and 205 yards against purdue. That Running back: Reggie Brooks

I guess you're right that Bettis wasn't the number 2 in a committee at tailback. Bettis was the starting fullback.
The Killer B's is what they called them.Reggie Brooks

Jerome Bettis

Lee Bectin
Pretty sure it was Becton. I think that was around the time when DB Jeffrey Burress would also take some snaps on offense as well, adding another "B" to the mix. :grad: :nerd:
solid :thumbup: What ever happened to Becton? I know Brooks had some success with the Redskins, but I don't remember Becton even getting a shot.

 
Bettis wasn't the second RB in a RBBC in COLLEGE.
:unsure: It's hard to find stats from back then to back this up completely, but near as I can tell 1992, Jerome Bettis' last year at Notre Dame, saw the number 3 all-time rushing season in Notre Dame history with 1343 yards. That season was highlighted by 2 of the top rushing yardage games by a single player in Notre Dame history with 227 yards against USC, and 205 yards against purdue. That Running back: Reggie Brooks

I guess you're right that Bettis wasn't the number 2 in a committee at tailback. Bettis was the starting fullback.
What happened to Reggie Brooks? He had a great rookie year and then disappeared.EDIT:

Looked it up and here's an article from the 1995 training camp.

http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pilot...01/08010376.htm

BROOKS HEARS THE CLOCK TICKING THE REDSKINS BACK, SLOWED BY INJURY, WATCHES AS OTHERS TRY TO STEAL HIS JOB.

Washington Redskins running back Reggie Brooks is fighting a two-headed monster in training camp, waiting for his left hamstring to heal and watching others get a leg up on his job.

Brooks, who two seasons ago rushed for more than 1,000 yards but hasn't been completely healthy since, took part in his first two workouts of camp Monday.

In the morning he donned pads, shorts and a helmet and did a little blocking and some light, noncontact running. In the afternoon he came to Bobcat Stadium in full football regalia and did slightly more work, running out of the backfield in seven-on-seven drills to grab passes from quarterbacks Heath Shuler and Gus Frerotte.

Meanwhile, veteran free agent Terry Allen, rookie Larry Jones and second-year pro Tyrone Rush are eagerly pursuing Brooks' place in the lineup. All three have played every day, and all three may be ahead of Brooks on the depth chart.

``I'm not concentrating on who else is out there,'' Brooks said. ``It's tough for me from the standpoint that I need to be able to be out there for myself. I need the work to get ready.''

If Brooks' showing Monday was intended to catch the eye of coach Norv Turner, it failed.

``I'm not even going to watch him until he's taking part in real drills,'' Turner said. ``Every practice Reggie misses makes it tougher for him. We need to get him back. I think I have a pretty good feel for what he can do; now he needs to show me that he can go more than two weeks without a nagging injury.''



Brooks, who injured the hamstring July 20 (1995) in pre-camp workouts at Redskin Park, has heard this before. Last season (1994), in fact. He came to camp with a hamstring pull suffered at a made-for-TV competition, then injured his ribs and back, and finally was benched until the last game of the season.

As Brooks languished in the background for 10 weeks, Turner often said that the Notre Dame product wasn't healthy enough to play.

Brooks disagrees.

``I was ready,'' he said Monday. ``That's a coaching decision, and I can't get into that. It's not something I can dictate. He makes his decisions predicated on what he believes. My main concern now is to get healthy and get back on the field.''

Brooks, who slumped to 297 yards in 1994, said he rededicated himself to football last offseason like never before. His weight dropped from 215 to 207, he spent more time stretching and strengthening his hamstrings than before, and he was ready to re-establish himself.

That changed when he was a victim in an automobile accident the final week of June. His left knee swelled as a result of the collision, he altered the way he was walking, and he says that brought on the hamstring strain.

He also admits, however, that he has abnormally large hamstring muscles that strain more readily than most, and that hamstrings have been a problem since he ran track in high school.

``I need to get better at stretching and building flexibility,'' Brooks said. ``I have to work harder. I have learned my lesson.''

Brooks says he isn't worried about the competition, but he went to trainer Bubba Tyer late last week and asked to be allowed back on the field.

Tyer said yes, but with plenty of restrictions.

``He's anxious and I think a little upset that we haven't let him do more,'' Tyer said. ``He just has to be patient so we can make sure he's as healthy as he can be. The worst thing that could happen would be for him to reinjure it.''

Brooks and management have had an uneasy alliance since Turner took over. In one breath, Brooks says he became overeager last season and ``tried to do too many things, rather than what the coaches wanted me to do.'' Later, he deflects responsibility onto Turner for Washington's woeful running game.

``I'm not going to sit here and take the blame for everything,'' Brooks said. ``Half the season, I didn't even play. I can't take responsibility for things I wasn't part of.''

Brooks will continue going slowly, adding certain drills each day, until next week. That means he'll miss Saturday's preseason opener against Kansas City.

``But I'll get nervous if, come next week, I'm not getting the work I need,'' he said. ``It won't matter what anyone says then. I'll be out there. I am confident I'll get enough work under my belt in three games.''

And if the Redskins decide to go with someone other than Brooks as their primary ground gainer? It's fine with him.

``I'm comfortable with my decisions,'' he said. ``If they feel I'm not the man here, then that's their decision. If I'm given the opportunity, I'll show my ability.'' ILLUSTRATION: Photo

Running back Reggie Brooks, slowed by a hamstring injury, returned

to the practice field Monday.
 
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Jerome Bettis. The future HOFer just retired.
:2cents: It's much more likely that White will follow the footsteps of Ron Dayne and TJ Duckett than Bettis.
Duckett happens to be in an RBBC with an extremely good (and underrated) back. He's still scored 31 TDs on 552 carries for his career. Compare that to Dayne, who was handed and then lost a starting job, and has just 17 TDs in 638 carries. Duckett's situation doesn't seem to be changing any time soon, but it's certainly realistic to think he could be a featured back. Of course, Duckett is also a lot faster and more athletic than White. He ran a 4.45 with a 37" vertical and had 6% body fat at his pro day. So if I had to guess which back White is more like, I'd guess Dayne. But I think White runs harder than Dayne; a better analogy might be to Greg Jones, although Jones is also probably faster than White.

 
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This is dumb. There's no downside for White to run if there was any ability on his part to perform well.

That he didn't implies poor judgment on his part at the very least, if not questionable work ethic. And for the record I'm a USC fan by marriage and I root for his success at the NFL level. I just think he's exercising extremely poor judgment.

 
:tinfoilhat: Doesn't explain why White could only lift the bar 15 times.  It seems obvious that White had not prepared for his proday and he was looking for any excuse not to run.
I was curious how many times I could put up 225 lbs. on the bench (you know, comparing myself to the pros :nerd: ), so the other day I dropped and with no warm up busted out 17 reps. I've lifted since high school, but I'm short, fat, 31 years old, and run the 40 in about 6.3 seconds. You would think a college age kid that's spent 3 years in an environment surrounded by state-of-the-art training facilities, training staff, nutritionists, competitive peers, and tutors doing his homework for him would be able to outproduce MY sorry butt.I'd pass on the guy in the 1st round.
Ummm, last time i checked RBs dont use there upper body much. maybe hes just not that strong in the upper body. the only thing that should matter for a RB is his leg strength. How much can he leg press, squat, abduct, etc....
 
He's listed at 238 at NFL Draft Scout.235 on collegefootball.rivals.com and Sports Illustrated.
He's rumored to be 255 in real life.Reminds me of how Gilbert Brown used to be listed as 350 pounds when he played DT for Green Bay. Gilbert hadn't weighed that since junior high and was well over 400 pounds.
 
NFL | L. White has hamstring tear

Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:44:22 -0700

Mike Klis, of the Denver Post, reports USC RB LenDale White (hamstring) underwent an MRI on his right hamstring that showed he has a moderate tear near the pelvic region, according to Dr. Randall Eldridge, a Denver chiropractor renowned for his treatment of musculoskeletal injuries. The hamstring tear will sideline White until mid-May, which means White will not have a personal workout prior to the April 29 NFL Draft and may not be ready for the minicamp of the NFL team that selects him. "He should recover fine," Dr. Eldridge said. "He just needs time to heal. But I could see where he would have been in considerable pain had he tried to run." White hopes the tear found in his hamstring will ease NFL executive concerns about his work ethic. The extent of the potential damage to his draft value, however, won't be known until April 29.

 
Adam Schein / Special to FOXSports.comWhite further explained that he dined with John Fox, Jim Skipper, and other members of the Panthers organization the night before the event. They told him that if he felt any twinge or problem whatsoever, he shouldn't participate, stressing it wasn't worth running the 40 if he would miss mini-camp as a result.
That was not bad advice to a guy with a torn hamstring.
 
NFL | L. White has hamstring tear

Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:44:22 -0700

Mike Klis, of the Denver Post, reports USC RB LenDale White (hamstring) underwent an MRI on his right hamstring that showed he has a moderate tear near the pelvic region, according to Dr. Randall Eldridge, a Denver chiropractor renowned for his treatment of musculoskeletal injuries. The hamstring tear will sideline White until mid-May, which means White will not have a personal workout prior to the April 29 NFL Draft and may not be ready for the minicamp of the NFL team that selects him. "He should recover fine," Dr. Eldridge said. "He just needs time to heal. But I could see where he would have been in considerable pain had he tried to run." White hopes the tear found in his hamstring will ease NFL executive concerns about his work ethic. The extent of the potential damage to his draft value, however, won't be known until April 29.
Bolded for....eh? Don't you usually have a real doctor administer and read an MRI? This seem shady, or do chiropractors usually diagnos and treat torn muscles?
 

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