Carr: Who is to blame? (1 Viewer)

[Two Deep]

I'm #32. Please, Please, Please, Wayne do not go after this guy. If you think the Dolphins QB situation has been bad you ain't seen nothing yet. Here I've got a play for you, have your franchise wide receiver stand at the line of scrimmage and Carr will throw it to him for a 2 yard gain. And people wonder why he had a high completion percentage.

 

[stevegamer]

Yet the board reads 106 blaming the OL and 30 of us have it right. Good job, you other 29. You are observant and excellent coaches.

Not really - the poll is horribly flawed - sine there's no "both". And if the Texans OL doesn't improve, it doesn't matter if Schaub (or any QB) is better than Carr or not - the question is Schaub a Marino-type quick release guy. Because the Texans OL miss blocks more than just about any OL I've seen - last year they were mediocre, and that's meant as a compliment.Plenty of blame for both, and I think both that Houston is glad to be done with Carr & vice-versa. Yet another data point why you want an adequate OL before a QB.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

David Carr is a damm good QB. He can make every throw, has good feet, and has a fire in his belly.

I can only hope he lands in a better situation and proves is worth.

As a Dolphin fan I will glady take him despite the fact I still think Daunte Culpepper can still ball if healthy. But if Cam Cameron wants to make a change then please grab Carr not the soon to be 37 year old Green.

That's some good comedy. Haven't laughed so hard in a long time.

Whatever.When Favre retires you will feel the pain we have been feeling since Marino left the game.

What comes around goes around.

...and when/if Carr comes to your beloved Dolphins, you will be feeling the pain we in Houston have been feeling for the last 5 years...

 

[GregR_2]

Couldn't vote in the poll since there wasn't the "both" option that is the best answer. Actually, the best answer is Carr, the O-line, and crappy coaching for his first few years. The three all contributed heavily to where things are at today.

 

[Stewy]

Yet the board reads 106 blaming the OL and 30 of us have it right. Good job, you other 29. You are observant and excellent coaches.

Not really - the poll is horribly flawed - sine there's no "both". And if the Texans OL doesn't improve, it doesn't matter if Schaub (or any QB) is better than Carr or not - the question is Schaub a Marino-type quick release guy. Because the Texans OL miss blocks more than just about any OL I've seen - last year they were mediocre, and that's meant as a compliment.Plenty of blame for both, and I think both that Houston is glad to be done with Carr & vice-versa. Yet another data point why you want an adequate OL before a QB.

Last year the offensive line was mediocre. The rookie LT broke his leg in the second game to be replced by a journeyman T who preformed suprisingly well (average.) The overaged pro-bowl center underpreformed and was injured on and off all season. The starting RT was injured for the season around the halfway mark and was replced by a rookie.The line was medicore, but it was also decimated by injuries. You can tell who the folks are that have spent every agonizing Sunday watching David Carr panic when catching a glimpse of a defender and, instead stepping up into the pocket and making a pass downfield, flush out or crawl into the fetal position. Of course people want to blame the offensive line, and justly so if this were 2003, but it's not.At David Carr's inception he had a horrific offensive line standing in front of him. But, as his career wore on he had pieces put in front of him. The lines Houston fielded weren't pro bowl or even above average offensive lines, but they were adequate. They produced and annual 1000+ yd rusher and provided enough time for David to make a play. But while the OL was making small, incremental progressions, David was making regressions. He was falling back to old habits; dump pass, run, fetal position. But the media didn't see it, they would harp on the same old problem and didn't recognize the new one. 90% of the people who watch Texans games weekly will echo these sentiments, as you are seeing in this thread. Will Matt Schaub expose David Carr? I'd bet money on it. The line is still a work in progress. Charles Spencer might not be able to start the season, Eric Winston will only be in his second season, and the best C we have is Steve McKinney. But if Matt Schaub can make throws downfield, if Schaub can side step defenders in the pocket, if Schaub can secure the ball when he does have to take a sack, he is an improvement over David Carr.

 

[renesauz]

I voted O-Line, although I fully understand why some have so strongly argued that it was more Carr.

If I looked at JUST last season, then I would be a little bit more inclined to agree, but if you take a little bit broader view, it's pretty easy to see that only a handful of HOF QB's could have been reasonably expected to have success behind the line Carr has had.

Arguments using rushings stats as a basis for how much better the line was then advertised are RIDICULOUS! There is a huge difference between rush blocking and pass blocking. A dominant run-blocking line can be an atrocious pass blocking line...and that was the case in Houston.

I remember reading an article (sorry no link) a year or so ago that chronicled the average time a QB had to make a passing decision. Don't quote me on these figures as exact, but the NFL average was like 3.5 seconds. Carr's average in Houston was like 2.7 seconds!

The article describing how Carr was telegraphing his throws...always looking to the side of the field where he was planning to throw first, only backs up this thought...he did NOT have enough time to do anythng else!

Carr had some bad habits bred into him because of a historicly bad pass-blocking line over several years time. When the line finally became OK (and merely OK, hardly good) at pass-blocking, he was supposed to suddenly un-learn all the bad habits he had picked up while running for his life for 4 years?

Kubiak may or may not be a QB guru, but nobody could have fixed Carr in one pre-season.

So yes...2006 may have been more on Carr, but the 2002-2005 O-Lines MADE Carr that way, and the blame still has to rest firmly on that line, and the coaches who let him develope those habits.

Fast forward to present. I still beleive that Carr has the talent to be a franchise QB. Can he be that in 2007 for someone else...heck no....too many bad habits to overcome. The guy needs a fresh team, with solid coaching, and a solid PASS-BLOCKING O-line so he can get back some confidance. A couple seasons on a bench, with lots of good coaching, and practice time, and he could recover to be the solid QB the Texans were hoping for when they drafted him.

ETA: I'm not blaming the Texans management for giving up on him right now either. I don't think they have much choice right now, as the franchise desperately needs some measure of success THIS YEAR, and Carr will not be ready to bring that to them (or anybody) for another year or two. Think of Carr like you would a rookie on whatever team he eventually lands on.

 

[GregR_2]

Andre Johnson weighs in on the subject:

[Andre Johnson] said it was disappointing that Carr, who was the first pick in the 2002 draft, wasn't able to succeed in Houston and offered an opinion why. Johnson was the third overall pick in 2003."From my first year here, I think it was the way he was coached," Johnson said. "My first couple of years here he was pretty much just told where to throw the ball at, and a lot of people didn't know that. He was never really taught to go through reads and things like that. Once coach [Gary] Kubiak came in, that was his big thing, teaching him how to go through reads. So it was like he was starting all over again."The Texans hoped Carr would blossom under the tutelage of Kubiak, a former quarterback, but he again struggled and Houston went 6-10 for its fifth losing season.