Carson Palmer TRADED to Cardinals.. I could care less (1 Viewer)

[WampusCat43]

Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer:

The Palmer trade at the time was highway robbery. Now it can be officially classified as a sealbeating.

 

[KellysHeroes]

don't get y they didn't push harder for Flynn, they must be considering a QB in the 1st now

 

[Sabertooth]

In my league he scored more than Flacco, Eli, Schaub, Rivers, Locker, and Cutler. He didn't have anywhere near the talent of any of those guys to throw to. All signs pointing up

They didn't have near the garbage time he did either.

You don't think he'll have garbage time in Arizona? He isn't exactly going to the 85 Bears here.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

In my league he scored more than Flacco, Eli, Schaub, Rivers, Locker, and Cutler. He didn't have anywhere near the talent of any of those guys to throw to. All signs pointing up

They didn't have near the garbage time he did either.

Garbage time or not, it's not like he threw the ball 700 times. He finished 8th in attempts. He's now moving from the Raiders (39.3 att/gm) to the Cardinals (38.0 att/gm). Of course the Cards have a new coach, but I suspect they'll need to throw the ball quite a bit again this year. Arians threw the ball 39.3 times per game last year. Palmer's best weapon is going from Myers to Fitzgerald. Palmer's mobility and the O-line should be cause for concern, though. If they go OT with their first pick, I'm down with Palmer as my QB2.

Garbage time HAS so much to do with Palmer's season stat line.

 

[mad sweeney]

As a Seahawk fan, I'm ecstatic about this move. Sherman and Thomas must be just salivating right now.

Yeah, because he's going to be so much worse than the trash they had out there last year, right?

Yeah , cuz them getting someone good was never an option . So them getting someone slow and turnover prone certainly won't excite them.

 

[mad sweeney]

As a Seahawk fan, I'm ecstatic about this move. Sherman and Thomas must be just salivating right now.

You don't think they'd rather have went against Stanton?

Who they'd rather go against is irrelevant. The Cards could have gone after someone good, in FA or the draft. Instead they got Palmer and the "new and improved" AZ QB that could have been will still be a few years down the line.

 

[humpback]

Yeah , cuz them getting someone good was never an option . So them getting someone slow and turnover prone certainly won't excite them.

Who they'd rather go against is irrelevant. The Cards could have gone after someone good, in FA or the draft. Instead they got Palmer and the "new and improved" AZ QB that could have been will still be a few years down the line.

You're right, there were so many awesome QBs available in FA, and we all know that rookie QBs aren't turnover prone at all, not even in this crappy rookie QB class.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I think the Cards made this move because they didn't have a choice but to make a move. They weren't going anywhere with Skelton or Cobb, and honestly-- they needed to do something for the sake of their franchise player (fitzgerald) and for the fan base. Palmer does have some decent arm strength and he can make lots of throws IF he has time. However, he isn't very mobile, and doesn't make good decisions when he is rushed. For fantasy purposes--this is probably a good thing for leagues that don't penalize too much for int's. If Palmer is constantly rushed and throws int's---the odds are that the Cards will be down big in a lot of games--and this would mean lots of garbage time yards and prevent defenses. If Palmer actually has time to throw the ball--he has a good arm--and arguably one of the best targets in the game to throw to--which is also a positive situation in regards to fantasy. In reality--I think it's more of a "blah" move just designed to create a tiny bit of buzz within the fanbase--but in fantasy--I think there could be some value here. I agree with him being a solid qb2 if he can stay healthy, and I can see Fitz being a top 10-15 WR in ppr formats.

 

[FF Ninja]

In my league he scored more than Flacco, Eli, Schaub, Rivers, Locker, and Cutler. He didn't have anywhere near the talent of any of those guys to throw to. All signs pointing up

They didn't have near the garbage time he did either.

Garbage time or not, it's not like he threw the ball 700 times. He finished 8th in attempts. He's now moving from the Raiders (39.3 att/gm) to the Cardinals (38.0 att/gm). Of course the Cards have a new coach, but I suspect they'll need to throw the ball quite a bit again this year. Arians threw the ball 39.3 times per game last year. Palmer's best weapon is going from Myers to Fitzgerald. Palmer's mobility and the O-line should be cause for concern, though. If they go OT with their first pick, I'm down with Palmer as my QB2.

Garbage time HAS so much to do with Palmer's season stat line.

No doubt, but what I'm trying to say is that, in regards to 2013, he likely won't have the same garbage time but he will have plenty of attempts and much better WR options.

Ok, I just looked into it... Palmer threw 24 TD last year. 15 of them came while "trailing big" according to FBG splits (this isn't exactly all garbage time because they were probably trailing big in the first half a few times). 258 of his 565 attempts came while trailing big. So 46% of his passes and 63% of his TDs. His ypa while trailing big is actually right in line with his year end average. So really the only thing garbage time helped him with was attempting passes and scoring TDs. Important aspects, but I expect the pass attempts are going to be there in 2013. I think he'll have more ease scoring TDs with a decent WR corps this year than last year, so he won't have to rely on garbage time to put up over half of his TD total. If you think the garbage time is that significant then you must be projecting him for less than 20 TDs. I fully expect him to throw the ball at least 550 times at over 7 yards an attempt and connect on around 25 TDs. So something like 4000/25/15

 

[mad sweeney]

Yeah , cuz them getting someone good was never an option . So them getting someone slow and turnover prone certainly won't excite them.

>Who they'd rather go against is irrelevant. The Cards could have gone after someone good, in FA or the draft. Instead they got Palmer and the "new and improved" AZ QB that could have been will still be a few years down the line.

You're right, there were so many awesome QBs available in FA, and we all know that rookie QBs aren't turnover prone at all, not even in this crappy rookie QB class.

You seem to think it's some kind of either/or, this-season-only issue. And you revel in your short sightedness. Congrats.

 

[humpback]

Yeah , cuz them getting someone good was never an option . So them getting someone slow and turnover prone certainly won't excite them.

>Who they'd rather go against is irrelevant. The Cards could have gone after someone good, in FA or the draft. Instead they got Palmer and the "new and improved" AZ QB that could have been will still be a few years down the line.

You're right, there were so many awesome QBs available in FA, and we all know that rookie QBs aren't turnover prone at all, not even in this crappy rookie QB class.

You seem to think it's some kind of either/or, this-season-only issue. And you revel in your short sightedness. Congrats.

Oh, so they are salivating "right now" for the 2014 or 2015 season?

You seem to be a complete homer and would say "this is awesome for my team" no matter what they did. Anyone with a shred of objectivity realizes that this was probably the best QB they could have realistically signed, and it doesn't preclude them from drafting one either. Congrats.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Yeah , cuz them getting someone good was never an option . So them getting someone slow and turnover prone certainly won't excite them.

>Who they'd rather go against is irrelevant. The Cards could have gone after someone good, in FA or the draft. Instead they got Palmer and the "new and improved" AZ QB that could have been will still be a few years down the

line.

You're right, there were so many awesome QBs available in FA, and we all know that rookie QBs aren't turnover prone at all, not even in this crappy rookie QB class.

You seem to think it's some kind of either/or, this-season-only issue. And you revel in your short sightedness. Congrats.

Oh, so they are salivating "right now" for the 2014 or 2015 season?

You seem to be a complete homer and would say "this is awesome for my team" no matter what they did. Anyone with a shred of objectivity realizes that this was probably the best QB they could have realistically signed, and it doesn't preclude them from drafting one either. Congrats.

I love seeing guys put in their place, way to make Sweeney look even more foolish than usual. Out of all the QBs available, it is certainly arguable that Palmer was the best. Beyond that, it's not like they gave up the farm like the Raiders did. As a Fitz owner I certainly like the move.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Palmer ranked 16th in FPs last year, but he ranked only 23rd in fantasy points per play (which I made fantasy points per 35 plays to convert to a more familiar number)

Name                 Team   G   ATT   YD     TD   INT  RSH   RYD  RTD  FP   FPRk FP/35P1 FP/35P RkRobert Griffin III   was   15   394   3211   20    5   118   833   7   375   7   25.7    1Colin Kaepernick     sfo   13   218   1809   10    3    63   417   5   206  26   25.7    2Aaron Rodgers        gnb   16   553   4303   39    8    54   259   2   432   2   24.9    3Russell Wilson       sea   16   393   3118   26   10    94   489   4   338  11   24.3    4Peyton Manning       den   16   583   4667   37   11    23     7   0   397   4   22.9    5Drew Brees           nor   16   670   5177   43   19    15     5   1   442   1   22.6    6Tom Brady            nwe   16   638   4827   34    8    23    32   4   422   3   22.4    7Cam Newton           car   16   485   3869   19   12   127   741   8   386   6   22.1    8Alex Smith           sfo   10   218   1737   13    5    30   132   0   155  30   21.9    9Matt Ryan            atl   16   615   4719   32   14    33   138   1   387   5   20.9   10Ben Roethlisberger   pit   13   448   3252   25    8    26    92   0   280  21   20.7   11Andy Dalton          cin   16   529   3669   27   16    47   120   4   322  12   19.6   12Kevin Kolb           crd    6   183   1169    8    3    17   103   1   108  35   19.0   13Eli Manning          nyg   16   536   3948   26   15    20    30   0   300  15   18.9   14Joe Flacco           rav   16   531   3817   22   10    32    22   3   301  14   18.7   15Josh Freeman         tam   16   558   4065   27   17    40   135   0   317  13   18.6   16Tony Romo            dal   16   648   4903   28   19    30    49   1   358   8   18.5   17Philip Rivers        sdg   16   527   3607   26   15    27    40   0   284  18   18.0   18Ryan Fitzpatrick     buf   16   505   3400   24   16    49   201   1   284  19   17.9   19Andrew Luck          clt   16   627   4374   23   18    62   255   5   353   9   17.9   20Jay Cutler           chi   15   434   3033   19   14    40   233   0   241  23   17.9   21Matt Schaub          htx   16   544   4008   22   12    21   - 9   0   285  17   17.7   22Carson Palmer        rai   15   565   4018   22   14    18    36   1   292  16   17.6   23Jake Locker          oti   11   314   2176   10   11    41   291   1   171  29   16.9   24Michael Vick         phi   10   351   2362   12   10    62   345   1   198  27   16.8   25Sam Bradford         ram   16   551   3702   21   13    38   128   1   282  20   16.8   26Matthew Stafford     det   16   727   4965   20   17    35   128   4   351  10   16.1   27Christian Ponder     min   16   483   2935   18   12    60   253   2   250  22   16.1   28Chad Henne           jax   10   307   2090   11   11    19    64   1   149  31   16.1   29Ryan Tannehill       mia   16   484   3294   12   13    49   197   2   230  24   15.1   30Nick Foles           phi    7   265   1701    6    5    11    42   1   115  34   14.6   31Matt Hasselbeck      oti    8   221   1361    7    5    13    38   0    96  36   14.5   32Blaine Gabbert       jax   10   278   1662    9    6    18    56   0   121  32   14.4   33Brandon Weeden       cle   15   517   3385   14   17    27   111   0   216  25   13.9   34Matt Cassel          kan    9   277   1796    6   12    27   145   1   116  33   13.4   35Mark Sanchez         nyj   15   453   2883   13   18    22    28   0   175  28   13.0   36Brady Quinn          kan   10   198   1141    2    8    20    66   0    57  37    9.3   37John Skelton         crd    7   201   1132    2    9     4     5   0    49  38    8.4   38

 

[jonboltz]

Palmer ranked 16th in FPs last year, but he ranked only 23rd in fantasy points per play (which I made fantasy points per 35 plays to convert to a more familiar number)

Name Team G ATT YD TD INT RSH RYD RTD FP FPRk FP/35P1 FP/35P RkRobert Griffin III was 15 394 3211 20 5 118 833 7 375 7 25.7 1Colin Kaepernick sfo 13 218 1809 10 3 63 417 5 206 26 25.7 2Aaron Rodgers gnb 16 553 4303 39 8 54 259 2 432 2 24.9 3Russell Wilson sea 16 393 3118 26 10 94 489 4 338 11 24.3 4Peyton Manning den 16 583 4667 37 11 23 7 0 397 4 22.9 5Drew Brees nor 16 670 5177 43 19 15 5 1 442 1 22.6 6Tom Brady nwe 16 638 4827 34 8 23 32 4 422 3 22.4 7Cam Newton car 16 485 3869 19 12 127 741 8 386 6 22.1 8Alex Smith sfo 10 218 1737 13 5 30 132 0 155 30 21.9 9Matt Ryan atl 16 615 4719 32 14 33 138 1 387 5 20.9 10Ben Roethlisberger pit 13 448 3252 25 8 26 92 0 280 21 20.7 11Andy Dalton cin 16 529 3669 27 16 47 120 4 322 12 19.6 12Kevin Kolb crd 6 183 1169 8 3 17 103 1 108 35 19.0 13Eli Manning nyg 16 536 3948 26 15 20 30 0 300 15 18.9 14Joe Flacco rav 16 531 3817 22 10 32 22 3 301 14 18.7 15Josh Freeman tam 16 558 4065 27 17 40 135 0 317 13 18.6 16Tony Romo dal 16 648 4903 28 19 30 49 1 358 8 18.5 17Philip Rivers sdg 16 527 3607 26 15 27 40 0 284 18 18.0 18Ryan Fitzpatrick buf 16 505 3400 24 16 49 201 1 284 19 17.9 19Andrew Luck clt 16 627 4374 23 18 62 255 5 353 9 17.9 20Jay Cutler chi 15 434 3033 19 14 40 233 0 241 23 17.9 21Matt Schaub htx 16 544 4008 22 12 21 - 9 0 285 17 17.7 22Carson Palmer rai 15 565 4018 22 14 18 36 1 292 16 17.6 23Jake Locker oti 11 314 2176 10 11 41 291 1 171 29 16.9 24Michael Vick phi 10 351 2362 12 10 62 345 1 198 27 16.8 25Sam Bradford ram 16 551 3702 21 13 38 128 1 282 20 16.8 26Matthew Stafford det 16 727 4965 20 17 35 128 4 351 10 16.1 27Christian Ponder min 16 483 2935 18 12 60 253 2 250 22 16.1 28Chad Henne jax 10 307 2090 11 11 19 64 1 149 31 16.1 29Ryan Tannehill mia 16 484 3294 12 13 49 197 2 230 24 15.1 30Nick Foles phi 7 265 1701 6 5 11 42 1 115 34 14.6 31Matt Hasselbeck oti 8 221 1361 7 5 13 38 0 96 36 14.5 32Blaine Gabbert jax 10 278 1662 9 6 18 56 0 121 32 14.4 33Brandon Weeden cle 15 517 3385 14 17 27 111 0 216 25 13.9 34Matt Cassel kan 9 277 1796 6 12 27 145 1 116 33 13.4 35Mark Sanchez nyj 15 453 2883 13 18 22 28 0 175 28 13.0 36Brady Quinn kan 10 198 1141 2 8 20 66 0 57 37 9.3 37John Skelton crd 7 201 1132 2 9 4 5 0 49 38 8.4 38

This is a very interesting list, particularly for one QB that was ranked low in PPG but high in PF/35, but is now in a situation where he might have a big jump in the number of plays/passes he is involved with.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Palmer ranked 16th in FPs last year, but he ranked only 23rd in fantasy points per play (which I made fantasy points per 35 plays to convert to a more familiar number)

Name Team G ATT YD TD INT RSH RYD RTD FP FPRk FP/35P1 FP/35P RkRobert Griffin III was 15 394 3211 20 5 118 833 7 375 7 25.7 1Colin Kaepernick sfo 13 218 1809 10 3 63 417 5 206 26 25.7 2Aaron Rodgers gnb 16 553 4303 39 8 54 259 2 432 2 24.9 3Russell Wilson sea 16 393 3118 26 10 94 489 4 338 11 24.3 4Peyton Manning den 16 583 4667 37 11 23 7 0 397 4 22.9 5Drew Brees nor 16 670 5177 43 19 15 5 1 442 1 22.6 6Tom Brady nwe 16 638 4827 34 8 23 32 4 422 3 22.4 7Cam Newton car 16 485 3869 19 12 127 741 8 386 6 22.1 8Alex Smith sfo 10 218 1737 13 5 30 132 0 155 30 21.9 9Matt Ryan atl 16 615 4719 32 14 33 138 1 387 5 20.9 10Ben Roethlisberger pit 13 448 3252 25 8 26 92 0 280 21 20.7 11Andy Dalton cin 16 529 3669 27 16 47 120 4 322 12 19.6 12Kevin Kolb crd 6 183 1169 8 3 17 103 1 108 35 19.0 13Eli Manning nyg 16 536 3948 26 15 20 30 0 300 15 18.9 14Joe Flacco rav 16 531 3817 22 10 32 22 3 301 14 18.7 15Josh Freeman tam 16 558 4065 27 17 40 135 0 317 13 18.6 16Tony Romo dal 16 648 4903 28 19 30 49 1 358 8 18.5 17Philip Rivers sdg 16 527 3607 26 15 27 40 0 284 18 18.0 18Ryan Fitzpatrick buf 16 505 3400 24 16 49 201 1 284 19 17.9 19Andrew Luck clt 16 627 4374 23 18 62 255 5 353 9 17.9 20Jay Cutler chi 15 434 3033 19 14 40 233 0 241 23 17.9 21Matt Schaub htx 16 544 4008 22 12 21 - 9 0 285 17 17.7 22Carson Palmer rai 15 565 4018 22 14 18 36 1 292 16 17.6 23Jake Locker oti 11 314 2176 10 11 41 291 1 171 29 16.9 24Michael Vick phi 10 351 2362 12 10 62 345 1 198 27 16.8 25Sam Bradford ram 16 551 3702 21 13 38 128 1 282 20 16.8 26Matthew Stafford det 16 727 4965 20 17 35 128 4 351 10 16.1 27Christian Ponder min 16 483 2935 18 12 60 253 2 250 22 16.1 28Chad Henne jax 10 307 2090 11 11 19 64 1 149 31 16.1 29Ryan Tannehill mia 16 484 3294 12 13 49 197 2 230 24 15.1 30Nick Foles phi 7 265 1701 6 5 11 42 1 115 34 14.6 31Matt Hasselbeck oti 8 221 1361 7 5 13 38 0 96 36 14.5 32Blaine Gabbert jax 10 278 1662 9 6 18 56 0 121 32 14.4 33Brandon Weeden cle 15 517 3385 14 17 27 111 0 216 25 13.9 34Matt Cassel kan 9 277 1796 6 12 27 145 1 116 33 13.4 35Mark Sanchez nyj 15 453 2883 13 18 22 28 0 175 28 13.0 36Brady Quinn kan 10 198 1141 2 8 20 66 0 57 37 9.3 37John Skelton crd 7 201 1132 2 9 4 5 0 49 38 8.4 38

This is a very interesting list, particularly for one QB that was ranked low in PPG but high in PF/35, but is now in a situation where he might have a big jump in the number of plays/passes he is involved with.

Hmm #12 and #13 are interesting on this list.

-QG

 

[jonboltz]

Palmer ranked 16th in FPs last year, but he ranked only 23rd in fantasy points per play (which I made fantasy points per 35 plays to convert to a more familiar number)

Name Team G ATT YD TD INT RSH RYD RTD FP FPRk FP/35P1 FP/35P RkRobert Griffin III was 15 394 3211 20 5 118 833 7 375 7 25.7 1Colin Kaepernick sfo 13 218 1809 10 3 63 417 5 206 26 25.7 2Aaron Rodgers gnb 16 553 4303 39 8 54 259 2 432 2 24.9 3Russell Wilson sea 16 393 3118 26 10 94 489 4 338 11 24.3 4Peyton Manning den 16 583 4667 37 11 23 7 0 397 4 22.9 5Drew Brees nor 16 670 5177 43 19 15 5 1 442 1 22.6 6Tom Brady nwe 16 638 4827 34 8 23 32 4 422 3 22.4 7Cam Newton car 16 485 3869 19 12 127 741 8 386 6 22.1 8Alex Smith sfo 10 218 1737 13 5 30 132 0 155 30 21.9 9Matt Ryan atl 16 615 4719 32 14 33 138 1 387 5 20.9 10Ben Roethlisberger pit 13 448 3252 25 8 26 92 0 280 21 20.7 11Andy Dalton cin 16 529 3669 27 16 47 120 4 322 12 19.6 12Kevin Kolb crd 6 183 1169 8 3 17 103 1 108 35 19.0 13Eli Manning nyg 16 536 3948 26 15 20 30 0 300 15 18.9 14Joe Flacco rav 16 531 3817 22 10 32 22 3 301 14 18.7 15Josh Freeman tam 16 558 4065 27 17 40 135 0 317 13 18.6 16Tony Romo dal 16 648 4903 28 19 30 49 1 358 8 18.5 17Philip Rivers sdg 16 527 3607 26 15 27 40 0 284 18 18.0 18Ryan Fitzpatrick buf 16 505 3400 24 16 49 201 1 284 19 17.9 19Andrew Luck clt 16 627 4374 23 18 62 255 5 353 9 17.9 20Jay Cutler chi 15 434 3033 19 14 40 233 0 241 23 17.9 21Matt Schaub htx 16 544 4008 22 12 21 - 9 0 285 17 17.7 22Carson Palmer rai 15 565 4018 22 14 18 36 1 292 16 17.6 23Jake Locker oti 11 314 2176 10 11 41 291 1 171 29 16.9 24Michael Vick phi 10 351 2362 12 10 62 345 1 198 27 16.8 25Sam Bradford ram 16 551 3702 21 13 38 128 1 282 20 16.8 26Matthew Stafford det 16 727 4965 20 17 35 128 4 351 10 16.1 27Christian Ponder min 16 483 2935 18 12 60 253 2 250 22 16.1 28Chad Henne jax 10 307 2090 11 11 19 64 1 149 31 16.1 29Ryan Tannehill mia 16 484 3294 12 13 49 197 2 230 24 15.1 30Nick Foles phi 7 265 1701 6 5 11 42 1 115 34 14.6 31Matt Hasselbeck oti 8 221 1361 7 5 13 38 0 96 36 14.5 32Blaine Gabbert jax 10 278 1662 9 6 18 56 0 121 32 14.4 33Brandon Weeden cle 15 517 3385 14 17 27 111 0 216 25 13.9 34Matt Cassel kan 9 277 1796 6 12 27 145 1 116 33 13.4 35Mark Sanchez nyj 15 453 2883 13 18 22 28 0 175 28 13.0 36Brady Quinn kan 10 198 1141 2 8 20 66 0 57 37 9.3 37John Skelton crd 7 201 1132 2 9 4 5 0 49 38 8.4 38

This is a very interesting list, particularly for one QB that was ranked low in PPG but high in PF/35, but is now in a situation where he might have a big jump in the number of plays/passes he is involved with.

Hmm #12 and #13 are interesting on this list.

-QG

I was looking directly at 9.

 

[QuizGuy66]

The Cardinals were a little unlucky in the fact that probably the 2 best available quarterbacks (Smith and Flynn) belonged to division rivals and thus pretty much weren't available to them.

-QG

 

[Chase Stuart]

Hmm #12 and #13 are interesting on this list.

-QG

Dalton would be a lot lower without his 4 rushing touchdowns. Kolb also had some rushing value that I'm not sure should be expected to repeat (100 yards/1TD in six games). I do think Kolb wasn't as bad as people tend to think.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Well Dalton is Cam2

Well okay, not really, but his wheels are a touch better than Palmer. 2 TDs is probably a more realistic 'typical' total.

Kolb is strictly a health case IMO.

-QG