Carson Palmer (1 Viewer)

[wingm@n]

Didn't get a chance to watch the Bengals play and was wondering how the offense/Palmer looked? Has he turned the corner or should we continue to expect volatile production?

The Romo injury is setting off a chain reaction in my league and I'm actually stupid enough to consider unloading Peyton if I can rely on Palmer.

 

[todisco1]

He is horrible but will get garbage time yds/TDs.

His arm is shot. He has no touch on deep passes anymore, though he can still dump off short routes.

Sad to see him go out like this.

 

[FavreCo]

looked pretty good this past week. Owens is seemingly now getting to where he is supposed to be. Ochozero still has mental issues impairing his ability to be where the ball is. Shipley is on the money on his routes.

 

[Clifford]

He is horrible but will get garbage time yds/TDs. His arm is shot. He has no touch on deep passes anymore, though he can still dump off short routes. Sad to see him go out like this.

Sounds like you would advise trying to sell on this week's performance?

 

[cheese]

As long as you think the Bengals will keep being in shootouts and playing from behind all season, Palmer will put up numbers. If you think the defense will become even a little of what it was last year and the team will be allowed to get back to running the ball, probably not.

Point being, whether Palmer is reliable the rest of the fantasy season has very little to do with Palmer.

 

[todisco1]

He is horrible but will get garbage time yds/TDs. His arm is shot. He has no touch on deep passes anymore, though he can still dump off short routes. Sad to see him go out like this.

Sounds like you would advise trying to sell on this week's performance?

Not necessarily because I think he'll be passing a lot and has great options at WR. He's not a good QB anymore IMO but should put up some fantasy numbers.Though if you can get good value for him after last game then by all means go for it.

 

[LTF]

Since a majority of the Bengals fan base have already hopped off the bandwagon again and now pretend like they don't follow the NFL too much, this topic probably won't get much play. But I do think he'll be a solid fantasy option going forward. He'll still throw a bunch of picks, but I don't trust their running game this year and I think he's going to be forced to air it out more like this past week going forward.

 

[notdarkyet]

For Palmer to have fantasy success they will need to be behind and in a time crunch. Palmer performs at his best when Bratkowski is not calling the plays and they are in hurry up mode. I do believe that he has physical/mental issues at this point that will prohibit him from ever entering the elite conversation again, but there is serious potential for garbage time points. I wouldn't characterize him as "turning the corner", as previously stated his success from a fantasy standpoint depends almost entirely on the situations above.

The good news for fantasy owners, to the detriment of Bengals fans, is that they should be behind quite a bit. Their offense is utterly stagnant and woefully inept when Bratkowski is making the calls. They shoot themselves in the foot with penalties and playcalling early in games that cause many 3rd and long situations which often result in 3 and outs, putting them behind early and often. Look at the offensive stats in the first and second qtrs compared to the third and fourth.

As far as Palmer's health, at times his arm looks fine, and others it is as if he is throwing into a 50 mph wind tunnel. He lets balls sail high on him by not stepping into throws, especially when there is clutter around his legs in the pocket. He can still rip a long pass on occasion that makes you think he is in good health, but often those long bombs of yesteryear are a couple yards short or off target. I suspect that his elbow tightens up on him and that is when you see the disparity, but I firmly believe the biggest hurdle he has is mental. I think his healthy knee is affected greatly by his unhealthy fear of reinjuring it. Though that is mostly speculation based on his current mechanics.

As a Bengals fan, I really hope they start preparing for the future without Palmer, as I no longer feel confdent that he is the "franchise QB" that he once was.

 

[cvnpoka]

palmer played well vs the falcons. he did miss owens on a potential td.

 

[QuizGuy66]

As long as you think the Bengals will keep being in shootouts and playing from behind all season, Palmer will put up numbers. If you think the defense will become even a little of what it was last year and the team will be allowed to get back to running the ball, probably not.Point being, whether Palmer is reliable the rest of the fantasy season has very little to do with Palmer.

I actually started him against the Falcons on the premise that the game would go as it did. They play conservative early, fall behind, suddenly go to the 2-minute offense and start moving the ball. It's crazy.This past week he played like he had confidence in the line and looked a lot better. There were a couple of cases where he threw bad balls toward the end zone but he looks best when they are in catch-up mode.FWIW, Andre Smith is starting now and actually looked pretty good.-QG

 

[CowboysFromHell]

The only reason he did so well this past week is because I played against him in FF.

Signed,

Disgruntled Natty Native

 

[slayer666]

Didn't get a chance to watch the Bengals play and was wondering how the offense/Palmer looked? Has he turned the corner or should we continue to expect volatile production?

The Romo injury is setting off a chain reaction in my league and I'm actually stupid enough to consider unloading Peyton if I can rely on Palmer.

Don't do it. You're welcome.

 

[cvnpoka]

They play conservative early, fall behind,

pretty frustrating as a fan. the play calling and creativity is just detrimentally predictable.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Didn't get a chance to watch the Bengals play and was wondering how the offense/Palmer looked? Has he turned the corner or should we continue to expect volatile production?

The Romo injury is setting off a chain reaction in my league and I'm actually stupid enough to consider unloading Peyton if I can rely on Palmer.

Don't do it. You're welcome.

While I think Palmer will have some good weeks, there's no way you should unload Manning and rely on him.-QG

 

[knowledge dropper]

As mentioned earlier in the thread. The playcalling is horrible. If the Bengals opened up the offense Palmer would put up #1 QB #'s.

 

[NorrisB]

Palmers a stud and is a buy low if anything

 

[NorrisB]

He looked fantastic he led WRs perfectly he put the ball right on the money showed zip on passes

 

[footballnerd]

Didn't get a chance to watch the Bengals play and was wondering how the offense/Palmer looked? Has he turned the corner or should we continue to expect volatile production?The Romo injury is setting off a chain reaction in my league and I'm actually stupid enough to consider unloading Peyton if I can rely on Palmer.

Why not keep Peyton and sell Palmer after his big game?

 

[Kirby]

Palmer performs at his best when Bratkowski is not calling the plays and they are in hurry up mode.

Winnar... Brat is horrible. They need to let Palmer run no huddle like they did in 05.

 

[Enders]

Carson looked better against the Falcons, but was still having problems. He's done though, he'll never lead the Bengals to anything. It's time to put a fork in him and start thinking about drafting a new QB for the future.

As far as fantasy, he'll probably continue to be decent because I don't see the Bengals getting any better this year. So he'll have plenty of garbage time to pad his stats.

 

[Fat Nick]

Didn't get a chance to watch the Bengals play and was wondering how the offense/Palmer looked? Has he turned the corner or should we continue to expect volatile production?

The Romo injury is setting off a chain reaction in my league and I'm actually stupid enough to consider unloading Peyton if I can rely on Palmer.

Don't do it. You're welcome.

While I think Palmer will have some good weeks, there's no way you should unload Manning and rely on him.-QG

I'm facing a similary problem. Palmer won me my game this week with Peyton on a bye. I normally wouldn't even carry a QB to back up Peyton. I actually played w/o a TE this week b/c I didnt' want to drop any of my RB's.With Gore, Bradshaw, F. Jones, P. Thomas, S. Greene, and Torain, I'm waaay too deep at RB, but I hate to drop one of them just to keep Palmer. But I'm leaning towards dropping one to hold him for insurance in case they bench Peyton for the last few weeks.

That said, I'd NEVER trade Peyton and rely on Palmer.

 

[Clifford]

Carson looked better against the Falcons, but was still having problems. He's done though, he'll never lead the Bengals to anything. It's time to put a fork in him and start thinking about drafting a new QB for the future. As far as fantasy, he'll probably continue to be decent because I don't see the Bengals getting any better this year. So he'll have plenty of garbage time to pad his stats.

K, so that's at least three Bengals fans saying he's done and one saying he looks fantastic and is a buy low.

 

[wingm@n]

Didn't get a chance to watch the Bengals play and was wondering how the offense/Palmer looked? Has he turned the corner or should we continue to expect volatile production?The Romo injury is setting off a chain reaction in my league and I'm actually stupid enough to consider unloading Peyton if I can rely on Palmer.

Why not keep Peyton and sell Palmer after his big game?

I can't get much for Palmer, but can get a TE1, WR1, and RB1 for Manning (the trade partner's sleeper picks all hit paydirt and can unload higher picks to upgrade QB)...anyway that's besides the point. Sounds like Carson would be fine if the Bengals stayed in hurry up, but I'll probably need to pick up another QB to be safe.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Carson looked better against the Falcons, but was still having problems. He's done though, he'll never lead the Bengals to anything. It's time to put a fork in him and start thinking about drafting a new QB for the future. As far as fantasy, he'll probably continue to be decent because I don't see the Bengals getting any better this year. So he'll have plenty of garbage time to pad his stats.

K, so that's at least three Bengals fans saying he's done and one saying he looks fantastic and is a buy low.

I'm in the middle.I don't think he's done - I think that he needs confidence in his line in order to be productive (not just good protection - he needs to think his protection is good so he steps up in the pocket and throws better). I think he can be a winning QB for us - I don't think that he can carry the whole thing like the '05 Carson could.If the team's playing bad, they throw and throw and throw and usually look better doing it (partially because teams will play off 'em a little more to keep the play in front of them. If they are playing well, they tend to stick with the run.I put him solidly in the spot/matchup starter category. Roughly the 10-18 range but in combo with another similar guy who could have stud-level production.-QG

 

[notdarkyet]

Carson looked better against the Falcons, but was still having problems. He's done though, he'll never lead the Bengals to anything. It's time to put a fork in him and start thinking about drafting a new QB for the future. As far as fantasy, he'll probably continue to be decent because I don't see the Bengals getting any better this year. So he'll have plenty of garbage time to pad his stats.

K, so that's at least three Bengals fans saying he's done and one saying he looks fantastic and is a buy low.

That one guy is just a USC fan. You can ignore him.

 

[notdarkyet]

He looked fantastic he led WRs perfectly he put the ball right on the money showed zip on passes

Except when he underthrew TO on the one that ended up out of bounds. And when he overthrew him in the back of the endzone by about 20 ft.

 

[wingm@n]

I'm in the middle.

I don't think he's done - I think that he needs confidence in his line in order to be productive (not just good protection - he needs to think his protection is good so he steps up in the pocket and throws better). I think he can be a winning QB for us - I don't think that he can carry the whole thing like the '05 Carson could.

If the team's playing bad, they throw and throw and throw and usually look better doing it (partially because teams will play off 'em a little more to keep the play in front of them. If they are playing well, they tend to stick with the run.

I put him solidly in the spot/matchup starter category. Roughly the 10-18 range but in combo with another similar guy who could have stud-level production.

-QG

2005 Carson was incredible. For a stretch, he looked like the future of the NFL.

 

[jamil]

I'm in the middle.

I don't think he's done - I think that he needs confidence in his line in order to be productive (not just good protection - he needs to think his protection is good so he steps up in the pocket and throws better). I think he can be a winning QB for us - I don't think that he can carry the whole thing like the '05 Carson could.

If the team's playing bad, they throw and throw and throw and usually look better doing it (partially because teams will play off 'em a little more to keep the play in front of them. If they are playing well, they tend to stick with the run.

I put him solidly in the spot/matchup starter category. Roughly the 10-18 range but in combo with another similar guy who could have stud-level production.

-QG

2005 Carson was incredible. For a stretch, he looked like the future of the NFL.

him and the WR formerly known as Johnson looked to be the next in line to take the torch from Peyton and Harrison