Casserly Not Drafting Bush (1 Viewer)

[Koya]

As I mentioned in another thread: When you have the upside ability of Gayle Sayers, the ONLY way you pass that up defensively is for someone with the upside ability of say, 80-90% of LT or better.

Which, Mario is not. Not even close. Heck, the guy has question marks even (ie what about the first half of this past season)! Just an awful calculation with little upside imo, and tremendous downside if Bush is as prolific a weapon as he seems to be.

 

[RKMoney]

If it was not made abundantly obvious by the whiplash effect NFL teams had, then I don't konw what it will ever take to convince people. After the decision was made then it was certainly made obvious from the offers (rumored offers anyways) NO was getting called on for trade-ups for Bush. This was a mistake. I don't care how much you love Williams or hate Bush. Hou could have and should have traded down. Bush was clearly the better prospect and clearly held more value, even if it was only for a trade. He dominated every game he participated in last year and Williams was practically invisable in half his games.

All that said, I think the Texans had a great draft with every pick after 1.01.

Excellent post and nobody can argue with it. TRADE DOWN! I find it hard to believe that not ONE club would have. They made their decision weeks ago.Few things:

1. HOU was the ONLY club to see Williams as the clear cut #1 overall. Sorry, but with their past record I see no reason why all of a sudden they know something that none of the other ball clubs know.

2. Fine, don't pick Bush but why not finally put your money where your mouth is and protect Carr with a legit #1 OL in DBrack?

If you don't want to draft a Bush or Young because you aren't into selling more seats then fine, but draft the BETTER ballplayer and it's DBrack.

When HOU has traded away multiple picks (see last year's joke of a draft) they get screwed. They are a joke, last year, anyone who followed the Texans knew the draft was a loser of a draft, NOBODY had Babs ranked that freaking high!

Nothing has changed. Make excuses but you're just kidding yourself, if you really follow this club you deep down know they screwed up, again/

 

[RKMoney]

As I mentioned in another thread: When you have the upside ability of Gayle Sayers, the ONLY way you pass that up defensively is for someone with the upside ability of say, 80-90% of LT or better.

Which, Mario is not. Not even close. Heck, the guy has question marks even (ie what about the first half of this past season)! Just an awful calculation with little upside imo, and tremendous downside if Bush is as prolific a weapon as he seems to be.

Mario took games off, many of them, during his college career. Guess Cass and McNair and Kubs just know something that nobody else in the world happens to know about Mario.

 

[BoneYardDog]

I hope McNair and Casserly enjoy the look of that fancy stadium, because they'll see a lot of it empty this year and likely next, because this town will not support a boring loser.  Bush would have made this offense exciting.  He would have put a buzz in the crowd.  Instead, we have another bust of a draft and the most exciting thing on game day will be how drunk we can get in the parking lot.

Sorry, I totally disagree. Fans will still come out and support this team. Oilers fans cheered for some pretty bad teams. You are not a fan. A fan supports his team when they suck, not just when they win, that is what makes winning so much sweeter, when you were there for the whole ride. Dont try to say the team left because of the fans either, I am from Houston, the team left because Houston wouldnt give them a new stadium because the Astro dome was a dump.

Were you there last season when the stadium was half empty? You couldn't give away tickets last year. The fans, of which I am not, are pissed, and rightly so.

Uhhh wrong. http://www.texansrock.com/Houston-Texans-A...ill-Selling-Out

To quote from the link:

Even though the Texans were an abysmal 2-14 that didn't prevent them from drawing sell out crowds.  Houston's average home attendance for the 2005 season was 70,299, which is just over 100% capacity.

NFL reports attendance as tickets SOLD, not actual game day attendance. It's intentionally misleading. McNair was assured of guaranteed sellouts for a jillion years in exchange for putting up all the jack he did to get the team. Fine. But you are a fool if you think they had more than 40K over the last half of the season. The parking lot had more people in it than the stadium.

Says you. My family has season tickets and went to almost every home game and said it was packed when they went.

This is totally incorrect...

 

[Gargoylez]

I hope McNair and Casserly enjoy the look of that fancy stadium, because they'll see a lot of it empty this year and likely next, because this town will not support a boring loser.  Bush would have made this offense exciting.  He would have put a buzz in the crowd.  Instead, we have another bust of a draft and the most exciting thing on game day will be how drunk we can get in the parking lot.

Sorry, I totally disagree. Fans will still come out and support this team. Oilers fans cheered for some pretty bad teams. You are not a fan. A fan supports his team when they suck, not just when they win, that is what makes winning so much sweeter, when you were there for the whole ride. Dont try to say the team left because of the fans either, I am from Houston, the team left because Houston wouldnt give them a new stadium because the Astro dome was a dump.

Were you there last season when the stadium was half empty? You couldn't give away tickets last year. The fans, of which I am not, are pissed, and rightly so.

Uhhh wrong. http://www.texansrock.com/Houston-Texans-A...ill-Selling-Out

To quote from the link:

Even though the Texans were an abysmal 2-14 that didn't prevent them from drawing sell out crowds.  Houston's average home attendance for the 2005 season was 70,299, which is just over 100% capacity.

Good catch.

At this point I beleive the Texan Fans will love a 13-10 win over anyone because of defense instead of a 34-28 loss with Reggie Bush running for 500 yards.

Defense does win championships, and if you don;t have the defense, it doesn't matter much what you have on offense.

 

[RKMoney]

I hope McNair and Casserly enjoy the look of that fancy stadium, because they'll see a lot of it empty this year and likely next, because this town will not support a boring loser. Bush would have made this offense exciting. He would have put a buzz in the crowd. Instead, we have another bust of a draft and the most exciting thing on game day will be how drunk we can get in the parking lot.

Sorry, I totally disagree. Fans will still come out and support this team. Oilers fans cheered for some pretty bad teams. You are not a fan. A fan supports his team when they suck, not just when they win, that is what makes winning so much sweeter, when you were there for the whole ride. Dont try to say the team left because of the fans either, I am from Houston, the team left because Houston wouldnt give them a new stadium because the Astro dome was a dump.

Were you there last season when the stadium was half empty? You couldn't give away tickets last year. The fans, of which I am not, are pissed, and rightly so.

Uhhh wrong. http://www.texansrock.com/Houston-Texans-A...ill-Selling-Out

To quote from the link:

Even though the Texans were an abysmal 2-14 that didn't prevent them from drawing sell out crowds. Houston's average home attendance for the 2005 season was 70,299, which is just over 100% capacity.

Good catch.

At this point I beleive the Texan Fans will love a 13-10 win over anyone because of defense instead of a 34-28 loss with Reggie Bush running for 500 yards.

Defense does win championships, and if you don;t have the defense, it doesn't matter much what you have on offense.

So a player like Marion who in 50% of the games he played was a non factor has all of a sudden become the next Peppers? Because Casserly and McNair, two people utterly clueless about talent said so?

 

[EBF]

I think so.

I've been really impressed with Williams, but I think you have to make your picks count at the top of the draft. As promising as Mario is, he wasn't as consistently effective on the football field as Bush was. That's the real difference for me. I view Bush as having a similar impact ceiling, with less risk. I think he would've been the better pick.

 

[cstu]

I think they made a big mistake. Whether or not Bush lives up to the hype is irrelevant. Many people in football believe that Bush is a once-in-a-lifetime type of player, and to neither draft him nor trade the pick was a dumb move.

Don't get me wrong, I never thought the Texans should have kept the pick, because Bush could sell tickets and make them more exciting, but he couldn't make them a winning team. But there was a lot of value in trading the pick.

The real mistake, in my opinion, was that they didn't even use the pick to address their biggest weakness, offensive line. I thought they should have traded down to #4, and picked Ferguson. And if they were really set on drafting defense, then they could've picked either Williams or Hawk.

To me, it just looks like it was a money decision. They either didn't want to, or couldn't afford to, pay Bush what he was asking.

As a Lions fan, its good to have company along with the Cardinals, as the most poorly run organizations in the NFL.

They got Spencer and Winston in the 3rd round - I think they did a decent job of improving the OL.

 

[Polecat]

I hope McNair and Casserly enjoy the look of that fancy stadium, because they'll see a lot of it empty this year and likely next, because this town will not support a boring loser.  Bush would have made this offense exciting.  He would have put a buzz in the crowd.  Instead, we have another bust of a draft and the most exciting thing on game day will be how drunk we can get in the parking lot.

Sorry, I totally disagree. Fans will still come out and support this team. Oilers fans cheered for some pretty bad teams. You are not a fan. A fan supports his team when they suck, not just when they win, that is what makes winning so much sweeter, when you were there for the whole ride. Dont try to say the team left because of the fans either, I am from Houston, the team left because Houston wouldnt give them a new stadium because the Astro dome was a dump.

Were you there last season when the stadium was half empty? You couldn't give away tickets last year. The fans, of which I am not, are pissed, and rightly so.

Uhhh wrong. http://www.texansrock.com/Houston-Texans-A...ill-Selling-Out

To quote from the link:

Even though the Texans were an abysmal 2-14 that didn't prevent them from drawing sell out crowds.  Houston's average home attendance for the 2005 season was 70,299, which is just over 100% capacity.

NFL reports attendance as tickets SOLD, not actual game day attendance. It's intentionally misleading. McNair was assured of guaranteed sellouts for a jillion years in exchange for putting up all the jack he did to get the team. Fine. But you are a fool if you think they had more than 40K over the last half of the season. The parking lot had more people in it than the stadium.

Says you. My family has season tickets and went to almost every home game and said it was packed when they went.

This is totally incorrect...

Thank you.

 

[Gargoylez]

I hope McNair and Casserly enjoy the look of that fancy stadium, because they'll see a lot of it empty this year and likely next, because this town will not support a boring loser.  Bush would have made this offense exciting.  He would have put a buzz in the crowd.  Instead, we have another bust of a draft and the most exciting thing on game day will be how drunk we can get in the parking lot.

Sorry, I totally disagree. Fans will still come out and support this team. Oilers fans cheered for some pretty bad teams. You are not a fan. A fan supports his team when they suck, not just when they win, that is what makes winning so much sweeter, when you were there for the whole ride. Dont try to say the team left because of the fans either, I am from Houston, the team left because Houston wouldnt give them a new stadium because the Astro dome was a dump.

Were you there last season when the stadium was half empty? You couldn't give away tickets last year. The fans, of which I am not, are pissed, and rightly so.

Uhhh wrong. http://www.texansrock.com/Houston-Texans-A...ill-Selling-Out

To quote from the link:

Even though the Texans were an abysmal 2-14 that didn't prevent them from drawing sell out crowds.  Houston's average home attendance for the 2005 season was 70,299, which is just over 100% capacity.

Good catch.

At this point I beleive the Texan Fans will love a 13-10 win over anyone because of defense instead of a 34-28 loss with Reggie Bush running for 500 yards.

Defense does win championships, and if you don;t have the defense, it doesn't matter much what you have on offense.

So a player like Marion who in 50% of the games he played was a non factor has all of a sudden become the next Peppers? Because Casserly and McNair, two people utterly clueless about talent said so?

No so they dont have millions upon millions of dollars tied up in the backfield between Carr, Davis and Bush.Because he was the best defensive player int eh draft.

Because Indianapolis, despite being an amzing offense, still hasnt done nothing, same as Kansas City.

 

[RKMoney]

I hope McNair and Casserly enjoy the look of that fancy stadium, because they'll see a lot of it empty this year and likely next, because this town will not support a boring loser.  Bush would have made this offense exciting.  He would have put a buzz in the crowd.  Instead, we have another bust of a draft and the most exciting thing on game day will be how drunk we can get in the parking lot.

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Sorry, I totally disagree. Fans will still come out and support this team. Oilers fans cheered for some pretty bad teams. You are not a fan. A fan supports his team when they suck, not just when they win, that is what makes winning so much sweeter, when you were there for the whole ride. Dont try to say the team left because of the fans either, I am from Houston, the team left because Houston wouldnt give them a new stadium because the Astro dome was a dump.

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Were you there last season when the stadium was half empty? You couldn't give away tickets last year. The fans, of which I am not, are pissed, and rightly so.
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Uhhh wrong. http://www.texansrock.com/Houston-Texans-A...ill-Selling-Out

To quote from the link:

Even though the Texans were an abysmal 2-14 that didn't prevent them from drawing sell out crowds.  Houston's average home attendance for the 2005 season was 70,299, which is just over 100% capacity.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Good catch.

At this point I beleive the Texan Fans will love a 13-10 win over anyone because of defense instead of a 34-28 loss with Reggie Bush running for 500 yards.

Defense does win championships, and if you don;t have the defense, it doesn't matter much what you have on offense.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So a player like Marion who in 50% of the games he played was a non factor has all of a sudden become the next Peppers? Because Casserly and McNair, two people utterly clueless about talent said so?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No so they dont have millions upon millions of dollars tied up in the backfield between Carr, Davis and Bush.Because he was the best defensive player int eh draft.

Because Indianapolis, despite being an amzing offense, still hasnt done nothing, same as Kansas City.

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And I guess Carr has such an incredible O-Line they had NO use for DBrack.FYI: Mario was a COMPLETE NO SHOW in about 50% of the games he played in. You call that smart drafting? No way.

 

[Polecat]

I keep hearing analogies like: How many Super Bowls did Barry Sanders win? How many SB's did Eric Dickerson win? What about Earl Campbell?

For every one of those I can answer with: Would the '85 Bears have won the SB with Richard Dent and no Walter Payton?

Would the Cowboys have won SB's with Charles Haley and no Emmit Smith?

Would the Pack have won the SB with Reggie White and no Brett Favre?

They say that defense wins championships. That may be true, but without balance, nobody wins. A rookie DE doesn't make a defense, and the Texans' offense still sucks. 4-12 baby!

 

[Buckna]

Ask me this question again in 3 or 4 years. For now, most of you posting are just blowing a lot of hot air.