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"Catching Hell" ESPN Bartman Documentary (1 Viewer)

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Remains a fascinating subject, at least for me. Everybody in the world would have tried to catch that ball. Has had multiple opportunities to make big dollars and passed every time. A real fan to boot. I have genuine empathy for the guy.

 
Remains a fascinating subject, at least for me. Everybody in the world would have tried to catch that ball. Has had multiple opportunities to make big dollars and passed every time. A real fan to boot. I have genuine empathy for the guy.
:rolleyes:
Shtick?
Unless he's blowing into a tube to type, like Stephen Hawkings, yes.
Hawking's computer voice would have called everyone off and he would have caught it in his colostomy bag.
 
Remains a fascinating subject, at least for me. Everybody in the world would have tried to catch that ball. Has had multiple opportunities to make big dollars and passed every time. A real fan to boot. I have genuine empathy for the guy.
:rolleyes:
This. I understand that most people would probably go for the foul ball in that situation. But if I'm a huge Cubs fan (thank god I'm not although I love going to their games at Wrigley), there's no way in hell I'm reaching out over the railing for a catchable ball in foul territory in the late innings of a NLCS game that would send the Cubs to the WS if they win. Heck, in that situation it's infinitely more likely that I would of "boxed out" the other fans besides me to hinder their efforts in catching the foul ball rather than trying to catch it myself.
 
Remains a fascinating subject, at least for me. Everybody in the world would have tried to catch that ball. Has had multiple opportunities to make big dollars and passed every time. A real fan to boot. I have genuine empathy for the guy.
:rolleyes:
This. I understand that most people would probably go for the foul ball in that situation. But if I'm a huge Cubs fan (thank god I'm not although I love going to their games at Wrigley), there's no way in hell I'm reaching out over the railing for a catchable ball in foul territory in the late innings of a NLCS game that would send the Cubs to the WS if they win. Heck, in that situation it's infinitely more likely that I would of "boxed out" the other fans besides me to hinder their efforts in catching the foul ball rather than trying to catch it myself.
:goodposting: Also, if there was a chick in that seat, she probably would have ducked for cover.

 
Still can't get over this series. We had Prior and Wood to go after this event and still couldn't close. Furthermore, I hate Josh Beckett.

 
Remains a fascinating subject, at least for me. Everybody in the world would have tried to catch that ball. Has had multiple opportunities to make big dollars and passed every time. A real fan to boot. I have genuine empathy for the guy.
:rolleyes:
This. I understand that most people would probably go for the foul ball in that situation. But if I'm a huge Cubs fan (thank god I'm not although I love going to their games at Wrigley), there's no way in hell I'm reaching out over the railing for a catchable ball in foul territory in the late innings of a NLCS game that would send the Cubs to the WS if they win. Heck, in that situation it's infinitely more likely that I would of "boxed out" the other fans besides me to hinder their efforts in catching the foul ball rather than trying to catch it myself.
Insanity. No chance you'd have the wherewithal to think it through to this degree. Instinct would take over. You'd have no clue that it would be a catchable ball for Alou. The ball leaves the bat, looks like it's coming in your direction, gets bigger and bigger, people around you are screaming. No way you'd be able to judge exactly where that ball is going to land. It's October in Chicago. The ball is swirling around in the wind and spinning off the bat. Every baseball fan who's ever been to a game would have put their hands out to catch it.
 
BTW, it should be titled dropping hell, as Bartman could not make the catch, dropping hell isn't catchy enough though.

 
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Remains a fascinating subject, at least for me. Everybody in the world would have tried to catch that ball. Has had multiple opportunities to make big dollars and passed every time. A real fan to boot. I have genuine empathy for the guy.
:rolleyes:
This. I understand that most people would probably go for the foul ball in that situation. But if I'm a huge Cubs fan (thank god I'm not although I love going to their games at Wrigley), there's no way in hell I'm reaching out over the railing for a catchable ball in foul territory in the late innings of a NLCS game that would send the Cubs to the WS if they win. Heck, in that situation it's infinitely more likely that I would of "boxed out" the other fans besides me to hinder their efforts in catching the foul ball rather than trying to catch it myself.
Insanity. No chance you'd have the wherewithal to think it through to this degree. Instinct would take over. You'd have no clue that it would be a catchable ball for Alou. The ball leaves the bat, looks like it's coming in your direction, gets bigger and bigger, people around you are screaming. No way you'd be able to judge exactly where that ball is going to land. It's October in Chicago. The ball is swirling around in the wind and spinning off the bat. Every baseball fan who's ever been to a game would have put their hands out to catch it.
Not true. If you were a Cubs fan you would understand. The World Series, ESPECIALLY for Cubs fans, was way more important than catching a foul ball. I would have held my whole row back to give Alou more room. Truth.
 
Remains a fascinating subject, at least for me. Everybody in the world would have tried to catch that ball. Has had multiple opportunities to make big dollars and passed every time. A real fan to boot. I have genuine empathy for the guy.
:rolleyes:
This. I understand that most people would probably go for the foul ball in that situation. But if I'm a huge Cubs fan (thank god I'm not although I love going to their games at Wrigley), there's no way in hell I'm reaching out over the railing for a catchable ball in foul territory in the late innings of a NLCS game that would send the Cubs to the WS if they win. Heck, in that situation it's infinitely more likely that I would of "boxed out" the other fans besides me to hinder their efforts in catching the foul ball rather than trying to catch it myself.
Insanity. No chance you'd have the wherewithal to think it through to this degree. Instinct would take over. You'd have no clue that it would be a catchable ball for Alou. The ball leaves the bat, looks like it's coming in your direction, gets bigger and bigger, people around you are screaming. No way you'd be able to judge exactly where that ball is going to land. It's October in Chicago. The ball is swirling around in the wind and spinning off the bat. Every baseball fan who's ever been to a game would have put their hands out to catch it.
Not true. If you were a Cubs fan you would understand. The World Series, ESPECIALLY for Cubs fans, was way more important than catching a foul ball. I would have held my whole row back to give Alou more room. Truth.
It's easy to say in hindsight but I just don't believe anyone would have done anything differently than what Bartman did. Everyone around him tried for that ball. The guy who ended up with the ball held it up proudly. It'd be impossible to know where the ball was landing until it was about a second from you. The thing was blowing back over his head from the stands toward the field. Alou maybe having a play on that ball would never have entered your mind.
 
Remains a fascinating subject, at least for me. Everybody in the world would have tried to catch that ball. Has had multiple opportunities to make big dollars and passed every time. A real fan to boot. I have genuine empathy for the guy.
:rolleyes:
This. I understand that most people would probably go for the foul ball in that situation. But if I'm a huge Cubs fan (thank god I'm not although I love going to their games at Wrigley), there's no way in hell I'm reaching out over the railing for a catchable ball in foul territory in the late innings of a NLCS game that would send the Cubs to the WS if they win. Heck, in that situation it's infinitely more likely that I would of "boxed out" the other fans besides me to hinder their efforts in catching the foul ball rather than trying to catch it myself.
Insanity. No chance you'd have the wherewithal to think it through to this degree. Instinct would take over. You'd have no clue that it would be a catchable ball for Alou. The ball leaves the bat, looks like it's coming in your direction, gets bigger and bigger, people around you are screaming. No way you'd be able to judge exactly where that ball is going to land. It's October in Chicago. The ball is swirling around in the wind and spinning off the bat. Every baseball fan who's ever been to a game would have put their hands out to catch it.
Not true. If you were a Cubs fan you would understand. The World Series, ESPECIALLY for Cubs fans, was way more important than catching a foul ball. I would have held my whole row back to give Alou more room. Truth.
It's easy to say in hindsight but I just don't believe anyone would have done anything differently than what Bartman did. Everyone around him tried for that ball. The guy who ended up with the ball held it up proudly. It'd be impossible to know where the ball was landing until it was about a second from you. The thing was blowing back over his head from the stands toward the field. Alou maybe having a play on that ball would never have entered your mind.
:yes:

 
Remains a fascinating subject, at least for me. Everybody in the world would have tried to catch that ball. Has had multiple opportunities to make big dollars and passed every time. A real fan to boot. I have genuine empathy for the guy.
:rolleyes:
This. I understand that most people would probably go for the foul ball in that situation. But if I'm a huge Cubs fan (thank god I'm not although I love going to their games at Wrigley), there's no way in hell I'm reaching out over the railing for a catchable ball in foul territory in the late innings of a NLCS game that would send the Cubs to the WS if they win. Heck, in that situation it's infinitely more likely that I would of "boxed out" the other fans besides me to hinder their efforts in catching the foul ball rather than trying to catch it myself.
Insanity. No chance you'd have the wherewithal to think it through to this degree. Instinct would take over. You'd have no clue that it would be a catchable ball for Alou. The ball leaves the bat, looks like it's coming in your direction, gets bigger and bigger, people around you are screaming. No way you'd be able to judge exactly where that ball is going to land. It's October in Chicago. The ball is swirling around in the wind and spinning off the bat. Every baseball fan who's ever been to a game would have put their hands out to catch it.
Not true. If you were a Cubs fan you would understand. The World Series, ESPECIALLY for Cubs fans, was way more important than catching a foul ball. I would have held my whole row back to give Alou more room. Truth.
It's easy to say in hindsight but I just don't believe anyone would have done anything differently than what Bartman did. Everyone around him tried for that ball. The guy who ended up with the ball held it up proudly. It'd be impossible to know where the ball was landing until it was about a second from you. The thing was blowing back over his head from the stands toward the field. Alou maybe having a play on that ball would never have entered your mind.
Is it easier for me to speak in hindsight, or for you to speak for me, not knowing me, over the internet? I'm telling you there's no way I reach for that damn ball.
 
Remains a fascinating subject, at least for me. Everybody in the world would have tried to catch that ball. Has had multiple opportunities to make big dollars and passed every time. A real fan to boot. I have genuine empathy for the guy.
:rolleyes:
This. I understand that most people would probably go for the foul ball in that situation. But if I'm a huge Cubs fan (thank god I'm not although I love going to their games at Wrigley), there's no way in hell I'm reaching out over the railing for a catchable ball in foul territory in the late innings of a NLCS game that would send the Cubs to the WS if they win. Heck, in that situation it's infinitely more likely that I would of "boxed out" the other fans besides me to hinder their efforts in catching the foul ball rather than trying to catch it myself.
Insanity. No chance you'd have the wherewithal to think it through to this degree. Instinct would take over. You'd have no clue that it would be a catchable ball for Alou. The ball leaves the bat, looks like it's coming in your direction, gets bigger and bigger, people around you are screaming. No way you'd be able to judge exactly where that ball is going to land. It's October in Chicago. The ball is swirling around in the wind and spinning off the bat. Every baseball fan who's ever been to a game would have put their hands out to catch it.
:no: I have excellent situational awareness. For example, one of my first games at Wrigley I was sitting in the 1st row right behind the visitor's bullpen where there's a nice, flat cement barrier separating you and the ballplayers sitting down on the bench. I had started drinking hours earlier and as I first sat down in my seat, beer in hand, I realized it would be natural to set your beer on that cement ledge right in front of you. That's what most people would do. But I immediately discerned that doing such was not allowed, despite there being no signs that said so, as a beverage could easily be spilled onto the players sitting in front of you, so I didn't place my beer there (and sure enough others got admonished for doing such later).

But I do understand that most people would go for the ball without thinking, as most people don't have the zen like ability to make good decisions when things are happening quickly.

 
Remains a fascinating subject, at least for me. Everybody in the world would have tried to catch that ball. Has had multiple opportunities to make big dollars and passed every time. A real fan to boot. I have genuine empathy for the guy.
:rolleyes:
This. I understand that most people would probably go for the foul ball in that situation. But if I'm a huge Cubs fan (thank god I'm not although I love going to their games at Wrigley), there's no way in hell I'm reaching out over the railing for a catchable ball in foul territory in the late innings of a NLCS game that would send the Cubs to the WS if they win. Heck, in that situation it's infinitely more likely that I would of "boxed out" the other fans besides me to hinder their efforts in catching the foul ball rather than trying to catch it myself.
Insanity. No chance you'd have the wherewithal to think it through to this degree. Instinct would take over. You'd have no clue that it would be a catchable ball for Alou. The ball leaves the bat, looks like it's coming in your direction, gets bigger and bigger, people around you are screaming. No way you'd be able to judge exactly where that ball is going to land. It's October in Chicago. The ball is swirling around in the wind and spinning off the bat. Every baseball fan who's ever been to a game would have put their hands out to catch it.
:no: I have excellent situational awareness. For example, one of my first games at Wrigley I was sitting in the 1st row right behind the visitor's bullpen where there's a nice, flat cement barrier separating you and the ballplayers sitting down on the bench. I had started drinking hours earlier and as I first sat down in my seat, beer in hand, I realized it would be natural to set your beer on that cement ledge right in front of you. That's what most people would do. But I immediately discerned that doing such was not allowed, despite there being no signs that said so, as a beverage could easily be spilled onto the players sitting in front of you, so I didn't place my beer there (and sure enough others got admonished for doing such later).
:lmao:
 
I should say though that I don't think Bartman was innocent. He acted like he was this feeble little boy or fan but he was thinking $$$ or personal greed/satisfaction when that ball was coming towards him. This should be an interesting documentary/film, by far this has been the best thing ESPN has done in the last 10 years with all these spotlights on historical sports happenings be it really old or more recent history.

 
I should say though that I don't think Bartman was innocent. He acted like he was this feeble little boy or fan but he was thinking $$$ or personal greed/satisfaction when that ball was coming towards him. This should be an interesting documentary/film, by far this has been the best thing ESPN has done in the last 10 years with all these spotlights on historical sports happenings be it really old or more recent history.
What money or glory would there be in catching that foul ball? (aside from Alou catching it of course)
 
Nobody knows what they would do unless they were there in the same position. All pumped up and see a high popup coming into your area. I have been at Comerica down the first base line and you have 4-5 seconds of watching the ball and getting excited to catch one. I am not thinking that Carbrera is coming up the line because I am watching the ball.

I don`t blame the guy at all. The Cubs have used that as an excuse for years..just act like the ball landed 5 rows deep, and play over it and get the out.

 
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I should say though that I don't think Bartman was innocent. He acted like he was this feeble little boy or fan but he was thinking $$ or personal greed/satisfaction when that ball was coming towards him. This should be an interesting documentary/film, by far this has been the best thing ESPN has done in the last 10 years with all these spotlights on historical sports happenings be it really old or more recent history.
What money or glory would there be in catching that foul ball? (aside from Alou catching it of course)
He wanted that ball on his mantle to tell his stat geek friends he nabbed it in the playoffs. It might not have fetched much at an auction but it would have been worth a lot to him personally. That's why I say personal greed.
 
Guy on Gottlieb's show today said Bartman has been offered hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years for an interview but has always declined. Crazy story.

 
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Remains a fascinating subject, at least for me. Everybody in the world would have tried to catch that ball. Has had multiple opportunities to make big dollars and passed every time. A real fan to boot. I have genuine empathy for the guy.
:rolleyes:
This. I understand that most people would probably go for the foul ball in that situation. But if I'm a huge Cubs fan (thank god I'm not although I love going to their games at Wrigley), there's no way in hell I'm reaching out over the railing for a catchable ball in foul territory in the late innings of a NLCS game that would send the Cubs to the WS if they win. Heck, in that situation it's infinitely more likely that I would of "boxed out" the other fans besides me to hinder their efforts in catching the foul ball rather than trying to catch it myself.
Insanity. No chance you'd have the wherewithal to think it through to this degree. Instinct would take over. You'd have no clue that it would be a catchable ball for Alou. The ball leaves the bat, looks like it's coming in your direction, gets bigger and bigger, people around you are screaming. No way you'd be able to judge exactly where that ball is going to land. It's October in Chicago. The ball is swirling around in the wind and spinning off the bat. Every baseball fan who's ever been to a game would have put their hands out to catch it.
And you call ME crazy.My instinct would be to duck out of the way of a rock hard object falling out of the sky.

But if I'm sitting in that seat, then I'm intensly following the game and know that my team needs outs. No way would I take away an opportunity for my fielder make the catch.

 
I should say though that I don't think Bartman was innocent. He acted like he was this feeble little boy or fan but he was thinking $$$ or personal greed/satisfaction when that ball was coming towards him. This should be an interesting documentary/film, by far this has been the best thing ESPN has done in the last 10 years with all these spotlights on historical sports happenings be it really old or more recent history.
8/10.
 
I saw this when it was on my On Demand movies list a couple months ago and it was just awesome. you would have to be a serious ##### to feel no sympathy for Bartman about his situation and the hell he went through. Lots of interviews with people at Wrigley Field and many of them were lucky that they didn't end up the same way.

And to say that Bartman was trying to make money and be a star off of this well that was just beyond idiotic or terrible schtick. If he really was trying to become a celebrity he had a couple chances and didn't do it.

Oh if you are a Red Sox fan you will not like this as well.

 
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He was sitting in the front row... it wasn't like he just happened to be walking by getting a hot dog and stuck his hand out. any baseball fan knows that if you're sitting in the front row, you don't interfere with the home team, and you do with the opposing team.

I feel sorry for him, I admire him for not cashing in, I admire him for being a lifelong fan and for being a kids league coach.

And I don't blame him for a split second decision that changed his life and the cubs fate.

But to say that he shouldn't have had situational awareness is wrong, as is saying that most knowledgeable baseball fans wouldn't have known to back off. It wasn't a line drive he had to react to, it was a pop fly late in the game that was clearly going to be close to the edge.

 
It's tough to make a documentary when the central figure is a ghost but it doesn't mean you have to fall back on using Bob Costas as a talking head.

 
If anyone in this documentary needs to get punched in the face it is the ##### sales rep Jim Cuthbert who apparently 8 years later still thinks he is cool. :thumbdown:

 
If anyone in this documentary needs to get punched in the face it is the ##### sales rep Jim Cuthbert who apparently 8 years later still thinks he is cool. :thumbdown:
This guy called into espn 1000 today and talked to waddle and silvy. Says how horrible he felt and how they conveniently edited that out.
 

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