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CB Rankings (3 Viewers)

flitzpiepe

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16-team dynasty league, we have to start 2 CB.

Scoring :

Defensive TD = 6

Fumble Recovered + Fumble Forced = 4

Sack = 4

Interception = 4

Passes Defensed = 3

Tackles = 1,5 Assist = 0,5

Safety = 6

this is the ranking based on last years stats :

Bailey, Champ DEN CB

Woodson, Charles GBP CB

Barber, Ronde TBB CB

Harris, Walt SFO CB

Samuel, Asante NEP CB

Marshall, Richard CAR CB

McGee, Terrence BUF CB

Henry, Anthony DAL CB

Winfield, Antoine MIN CB

Williams, Darrent DEN CB

Mathis, Rashean JAC CB

Tillman, Charles CHI CB

Asomugha, Nnamdi OAK CB

Clements, Nate BUF CB

Jammer, Quentin SDC CB

McAlister, Chris BAL CB

Rogers, Carlos WAS CB

Bly, Dre' DET CB

Law, Ty KCC CB

Gamble, Chris CAR CB

Rolle, Antrel ARI CB

Robinson, Dunta HOU CB

Hall, Deangelo ATL CB

Miller, Justin NYJ CB

which guys would you draft first - which ones would you avoid ?

any guys not on that list you would target late ?

which rookies would you recommend ?

thanks for your replies :popcorn:

 
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Pick up Leigh Bodden and Fernando Bryant late.

I generally prefer CB on teams that will struggle vs. the pass and get lots of throws at them.

 
Richard Marshall, Rhonde Barber, Woodson if they are there late.

Darrent Williams RIP

I like Revis(rookie) if he gets the starting job.

 
As for rookies both Darrelle Revis and Chris Houston should be starting week one. Leon Hall could get a chance early and maybe even Eric Wright.

 
Marlin Jackson is moving into a starting position this year. Definitely target him. Cedric Griffin is also.

 
Force said:
As for rookies both Darrelle Revis and Chris Houston should be starting week one. Leon Hall could get a chance early and maybe even Eric Wright.
Eric Wright was running with the first team in OTAs (I believe I read that in the official Cleveland Browns thread in the Shark Pool) - long way until the season yet but this is good news for Wright
 
Force said:
As for rookies both Darrelle Revis and Chris Houston should be starting week one. Leon Hall could get a chance early and maybe even Eric Wright.
Eric Wright was running with the first team in OTAs (I believe I read that in the official Cleveland Browns thread in the Shark Pool) - long way until the season yet but this is good news for Wright
He will start. They have no one else to pair with Bodden.Bodden is going to be worn out this year. Wright also.
 
Force said:
As for rookies both Darrelle Revis and Chris Houston should be starting week one. Leon Hall could get a chance early and maybe even Eric Wright.
Eric Wright was running with the first team in OTAs (I believe I read that in the official Cleveland Browns thread in the Shark Pool) - long way until the season yet but this is good news for Wright
He will start. They have no one else to pair with Bodden.Bodden is going to be worn out this year. Wright also.
In that case I'll trade Wright next off season :loco:
 
Interceptions are the hardest stat to project and aren't directly correlated to talent, so always stay away from guys with huge INT years that significantly vary from a normal season, i.e. the classic trap of reaching for an average player after his career year. Asante Samuel, Nnamdi Asomugha, and Walt Harris jump out this year. Rhonde Barber has been the only consistent elite corner the last 3-4 years. Champ Bailey is right there now that QBs continue to throw his way and he has kept up his pick numbers for two years. Other than an injury-shortened 2004, Charles Tillman is right there now too. Barber and Tillman also are playmakers and bring the big tackle numbers, which is important b/c picks are so sporadic. That's why Antoine Winfield is another good pick, he's consistently among the tackle leaders at corner, and the last few years he's grabbed some picks, unlike earlier in his career. After Barber, Bailey, Tillman, and Winfield, it's up for grabs.

Charles Woodson is coming off a career year in a career marked by inconsistency (both from injuries and underperforming), so he joins Samuel, Asomugha, and Harris at the top of the list of guys not to reach for. Chris McAlister is one of the top cover corners in real football terms, so QBs try to avoid him, making his 22 PDs and 6 picks anomolies last year. He also had poor tackle numbers, so he's another guy I'd avoid.

Dre Bly is one of the top playmakers at corner and he moves to a great situation, but I think everyone is high on him b/c of it, so he'll go too early. His problems are poor tackles numbers, so his game-to-game consistency is sporadic and injuries have prevented him from playing 16 games 3 of the last 4 years. DeAngelo Hall is another guy with a ton of talent and playmaking ability, but unlike Bly, his cumulative output the last two years is pretty consistent. With little risk, he's a guy who could pay major reward. For rookies, Chris Houston is another guy to like b/c he plays opposite Hall. And while we're on the Falcons, if Jimmy Williams qualifies at corner in your league, he's a great sleeper as he should win the FS job and has a ton of potential. After underperforming his first few years, Quentin Jammer quietly put together his best season and has been breaking up almost twice as many passes the last two years compared to his first three. Like Hall, he could pay huge dividends for little risk.

Richard Marshall had a great rookie year and what I like best about him is the fact he produced great fantasy numbers with just 3 picks...great tackles numbers considering he wasn't a starter all year and a nose for the ball on the ground are good indicators he can remain productive. Some other young guys I like to bounce back are Chris Gamble and Dunta Robinson. Robinson is in post-hype phase after failing to meet his huge rookie production the last two years, but his tackle numbers have been consistent. Houston needs to send him on the blitz some more. Gamble was dinged a bit last year and the Panthers defense had a lot of injury problems, but he was incredibly consistent his first two years and looked on his way to becoming a top corner. Finally healthy, Antrel Rolle put together a very nice season, but had just one pick. He has a ton of talent and if he makes just a handful more plays on the ball, he moves up fast. While he has shown just flashes previously, I really like Marlin Jackson's potential finally getting a full-time gig in Indy. With two new starters, someone is going to be a fantasy steal at corner in Indy.

Terrence McGee is a bit of a boom or bust pick, and almost lost his starting job last year, but he is a playmaker despite not being a technically strong corner in real NFL terms. I like Rashean Mathis even though he had a career best 8 picks last year, b/c had he had 5 both his previous years and is a nice young player who has been pretty consistent. For deep sleepers, Fakhir Brown was a journeyman when he arrived in STL, but earned a starting spot and, just like when he got the chance to start in NO, put up pretty good numbers. If he can stay healthy, he has a chance to start 16 games for the first time in his career and could surprise.

 
TD, as usual, is right on target.

You're looking for three things in an NFL cornerback to project consistent IDP value.

1. Ability and willingness to play the run

Unless you're in a league that starts corners separately and has a big play oriented scoring system (more relative points for passes defended and interceptions than tackles), the most consistent corners in IDP leagues are those that make tackles. Sometimes that comes from being targeted frequently, more often the larger reason is that those corners are physical players and happy to play the run.

Of the top 12 tackling corners -- see below -- only two, Anthony Henry and Nick Harper, aren't generally thought of as above-average run supporting corners. Henry was the beneficiary of a huge discrepancy in targets vs Terence Newman, Harper benefited from the Tampa-2 scheme.

Tillman, Charles CHI CB 87

Barber, Ronde TBB CB 85

Winfield, Antoine MIN CB 83

Rolle, Antrel ARI CB 79

Jammer, Quentin SDC CB 76

Williams, Darrent DEN CB 75

Henry, Anthony DAL CB 74

Bailey, Champ DEN CB 74

Jackson, Marlin IND CB 74

Harper, Nick IND CB 72

Robinson, Dunta HOU CB 70

Marshall, Richard CAR CB 70

2. Good ball skills

Recovery speed, ball awareness and good hands separate the so-so corner who makes a pick or passed defended here or there and the stud NFL/IDP corner who racks up five or more picks and approaches 20 passes defended every season. As TD noted, it's not worth trying to predict the year end top ten finishers in the INT lists (whither Deltha O'Neal and Brian Russell anyone), but you can get a pretty good idea of who puts themselves in the best position to make those plays by studying INT and PD trends. Couple ball skills with willingness in run support and you have your recipe for IDP value in a CB.

3. Opportunity

Once you've identified the guys who possess the skills to produce box score numbers, then you need to examine whether they'll have the opportunity on the field to get their numbers. At the same time, opportunity can help you identify the guys with questionable corner skills who may produce in the box score anyway. Three simple things to look for include -- (A) Cover-2 teams. Any team that runs a Cover-2 allows more run support opportunity and a lot of underneath zone coverage opportunity to make tackles. Not all corners are good here, but if they have 1 and 2 above, they are your studs at corner. See Ronde Barber, Charles Tillman, Antoine Winfield. (B) Rookie corners, especially opposite an established teammate. Rookies will be tested early and often by opposing quarterbacks looking to exploit potential matchup issues. Once they prove themselves, a rookie corner may not have as much value in subsequent seasons unless they have 1 and 2 above, but they're worth targeting in their rookie season at minimum. (C.) Horrible cover corners who play next to a clearly better teammate. Don't get too bogged down with this one because quarterbacks will still throw at good corners in many cases. Still, Anthony Henry and Jason Webster had very good value last year despite their poor talent (Henry was nearly moved to FS, Webster may be out of the league).

CB can be predictable if you know what you're looking for. Take a stroll through the last three season's worth of year-end CB point rankings. It should begin to become evident to you why the flukes were the flukes and why the guys who sit atop the lists in all three seasons are there.

Predicting who will breakout in any given season is more difficult. TD mentioned many of these already, but working under the above criteria, here are my breakout CB candidates for 2007. Guys that weren't top 25 last year but have a excellent chance of ending up there this year.

In no particular order -- I'm just wandering through the depth charts in alphabetical order.

Johnathan Joseph/CIN -- 46 solo and 20 passes defended although he didn't start until late in the year. More than willing to play the run and, although he struggles to make interceptions, his recovery speed and ability to break up passes is ridiculous. Players are awarded a PD when they make an INT. Look at the lists, nearly every player with 16 plus PD has huge INT numbers. Joseph didn't make a single INT. 20 PD less interceptions in limited time is ridiculously good.

Marlin Jackson/IND -- This guy is Charles Tillman Lite. Excellent in run support, above-average zone instincts. Plays in a Cover-2 scheme. Will finally start at CB this year full time. Near lock for the top 20 with top 10 upside.

Daymeion Hughes/IND -- You may have to wait on him for a year in dynasty leagues but this guy has Cover-2 stud written all over him. Could have the best ball skills of any CB on any Cover-2 roster. Will play the run.

Chris Houston/ATL -- Maybe. Good cover corner in an aggressive scheme. Rookie opposite reasonably well respected vet. Questionable run supporter. This is a guy you hope explodes so you can flip him next year for value.

Stanley Wilson/DET -- New starter in Detroit's Cover-2. Reasonably impressive last year in nickel packages. Could surprise given his opportunity (scheme and possible increased targets until he establishes himself).

Cedric Griffin/MIN -- Another Cover-2 special. Already showed he has top ten potential with 38 solos, 2 INT and 10 passes defended in limited time last year. He'll start opposite Winfield and should continue to put up numbers.

Aaron Ross/NYG -- Rookie corner, aggressive scheme, physical against the run, opposite decent teammate. Recipe for success.

Alan Zemaitis/TB -- Another interesting name to tuck away. Zemaitis sounds like he was recovering from injury all last year. Barber and Kelly aren't going to be around for too much longer, Kelly may be done now. Zemaitis is another guy who would suck in a different scheme, but has a very attractive scouting report for the Tampa-2.

 
Interceptions are the hardest stat to project and aren't directly correlated to talent, so always stay away from guys with huge INT years that significantly vary from a normal season, i.e. the classic trap of reaching for an average player after his career year. Asante Samuel, Nnamdi Asomugha, and Walt Harris jump out this year. Rhonde Barber has been the only consistent elite corner the last 3-4 years. Champ Bailey is right there now that QBs continue to throw his way and he has kept up his pick numbers for two years. Other than an injury-shortened 2004, Charles Tillman is right there now too. Barber and Tillman also are playmakers and bring the big tackle numbers, which is important b/c picks are so sporadic. That's why Antoine Winfield is another good pick, he's consistently among the tackle leaders at corner, and the last few years he's grabbed some picks, unlike earlier in his career. After Barber, Bailey, Tillman, and Winfield, it's up for grabs.Charles Woodson is coming off a career year in a career marked by inconsistency (both from injuries and underperforming), so he joins Samuel, Asomugha, and Harris at the top of the list of guys not to reach for. Chris McAlister is one of the top cover corners in real football terms, so QBs try to avoid him, making his 22 PDs and 6 picks anomolies last year. He also had poor tackle numbers, so he's another guy I'd avoid.Dre Bly is one of the top playmakers at corner and he moves to a great situation, but I think everyone is high on him b/c of it, so he'll go too early. His problems are poor tackles numbers, so his game-to-game consistency is sporadic and injuries have prevented him from playing 16 games 3 of the last 4 years. DeAngelo Hall is another guy with a ton of talent and playmaking ability, but unlike Bly, his cumulative output the last two years is pretty consistent. With little risk, he's a guy who could pay major reward. For rookies, Chris Houston is another guy to like b/c he plays opposite Hall. And while we're on the Falcons, if Jimmy Williams qualifies at corner in your league, he's a great sleeper as he should win the FS job and has a ton of potential. After underperforming his first few years, Quentin Jammer quietly put together his best season and has been breaking up almost twice as many passes the last two years compared to his first three. Like Hall, he could pay huge dividends for little risk. Richard Marshall had a great rookie year and what I like best about him is the fact he produced great fantasy numbers with just 3 picks...great tackles numbers considering he wasn't a starter all year and a nose for the ball on the ground are good indicators he can remain productive. Some other young guys I like to bounce back are Chris Gamble and Dunta Robinson. Robinson is in post-hype phase after failing to meet his huge rookie production the last two years, but his tackle numbers have been consistent. Houston needs to send him on the blitz some more. Gamble was dinged a bit last year and the Panthers defense had a lot of injury problems, but he was incredibly consistent his first two years and looked on his way to becoming a top corner. Finally healthy, Antrel Rolle put together a very nice season, but had just one pick. He has a ton of talent and if he makes just a handful more plays on the ball, he moves up fast. While he has shown just flashes previously, I really like Marlin Jackson's potential finally getting a full-time gig in Indy. With two new starters, someone is going to be a fantasy steal at corner in Indy.Terrence McGee is a bit of a boom or bust pick, and almost lost his starting job last year, but he is a playmaker despite not being a technically strong corner in real NFL terms. I like Rashean Mathis even though he had a career best 8 picks last year, b/c had he had 5 both his previous years and is a nice young player who has been pretty consistent. For deep sleepers, Fakhir Brown was a journeyman when he arrived in STL, but earned a starting spot and, just like when he got the chance to start in NO, put up pretty good numbers. If he can stay healthy, he has a chance to start 16 games for the first time in his career and could surprise.
good insight. Hopefully Ill be using it against you this year ;)
 
i would target dunta robinson late if available. he's always been a willing tackler and a good cover guy. mario started applying pressure later on last year and if amobi okoye can live up to expectations the texans might actually be able to get pressure on the QB with there front 4 for the first time in franchise history and that may/should lead to more PD's and INT's for dunta.

pretty much same story with antrel rolle but with a bigger if for him with his health. cards got some pretty good pieces in place now on defense and with the new versatile 3-4front they may be able to apply more pressure and rolle when healthy is a playmaker.

the CB from the bengals(joseph) is definetly someone to watch for.

if carlos rodgers holds onto a starting gig he's worth lookin at late, not so much on his talent but b/c he sux and gets thrown at often and therefore pads his stats.

 
As for rookies both Darrelle Revis and Chris Houston should be starting week one. Leon Hall could get a chance early and maybe even Eric Wright.
Eric Wright was running with the first team in OTAs (I believe I read that in the official Cleveland Browns thread in the Shark Pool) - long way until the season yet but this is good news for Wright
He will start. They have no one else to pair with Bodden.Bodden is going to be worn out this year. Wright also.
In that case I'll trade Wright next off season :bye:
:P
 
Excellent call Beaumont!

Your true test will be to see if you can follow that up again this year. I am interested to hear Beaumont's best sleeper calls of 2008. :confused:

 
Warhogs said:
Excellent call Beaumont!Your true test will be to see if you can follow that up again this year. I am interested to hear Beaumont's best sleeper calls of 2008. :thumbup:
Right now at CB (its early):Fred BennettFakhir BrownWhoever the Chiefs insert in their starting lineup ... if they dont get a high draft choice at CB look for Tyron Brackenridge to be a deep sleeper at CB ...
 
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Jene Is Hughes CB Colts gonna start this year at all?
Highly doubtful. Kelvin Hayden solidified one starting slot last year and, for now, the Colts don't need Marlin Jackson at safety. Hughes will be competing for the nickel role. The Colts are known for letting players walk in free agency if there's a guy ready to play behind them. Jackson and Hayden are both signed through this season; Hayden will be a RFA after this season, Jackson a FA after 2009. Hughes' potential is still there, but Hayden's emergence has blocked him for now. He'll also have to contend with Tim Jennings, who was a second round pick a couple years ago and struggled with injury.
 
Jene Is Hughes CB Colts gonna start this year at all?
Highly doubtful. Kelvin Hayden solidified one starting slot last year and, for now, the Colts don't need Marlin Jackson at safety. Hughes will be competing for the nickel role. The Colts are known for letting players walk in free agency if there's a guy ready to play behind them. Jackson and Hayden are both signed through this season; Hayden will be a RFA after this season, Jackson a FA after 2009. Hughes' potential is still there, but Hayden's emergence has blocked him for now. He'll also have to contend with Tim Jennings, who was a second round pick a couple years ago and struggled with injury.
Ok thanks a lotBTW i know this might be a little off topic as he is a safety but is Jarrod Paige a top 20 S?
 
Jene Is Hughes CB Colts gonna start this year at all?
Highly doubtful. Kelvin Hayden solidified one starting slot last year and, for now, the Colts don't need Marlin Jackson at safety. Hughes will be competing for the nickel role. The Colts are known for letting players walk in free agency if there's a guy ready to play behind them. Jackson and Hayden are both signed through this season; Hayden will be a RFA after this season, Jackson a FA after 2009. Hughes' potential is still there, but Hayden's emergence has blocked him for now. He'll also have to contend with Tim Jennings, who was a second round pick a couple years ago and struggled with injury.
Ok thanks a lotBTW i know this might be a little off topic as he is a safety but is Jarrod Paige a top 20 S?
No. Too much of a roving coverage role in what has become more of a Cover-2 system and he'll still be rotating out for some series this season if DaJuan Morgan impresses in camp.
 

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