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CC Sabathia (1 Viewer)
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yanny
Footballguy
WFAN reporting same thing...CC a Yankee !!!
jamny
Footballguy
I listened to about 10 minutes of Mike Francesa in the car yesterday (the first time since MadDog left). He was going off on Sweeney about how the Yankees are embarrassing themselves and it was obvious that CC didn't want to be a Yank.
What a pompous blowhard, it's almost enough to turn his show on today and hear him back-pedal.
What a pompous blowhard, it's almost enough to turn his show on today and hear him back-pedal.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
yanny
Footballguy
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Good Afternoon Everybody...never thought I would miss the Mad Dog but Francesa by himself is awful.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
dingdingding
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
at the yankees. do you guys realize the goal is the world series (or how about the playoffs for that matter), not to spend the most money?
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Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
Local Milwaukee media is confirming as well.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Once this guy gets his weight up just a little bit more, he's going to be an awesome DT for the Giants.
Reaper
Footballguy
I heard the same thing and was wondering WTF.. Sheesh, step away and let things settle down...Funny thing though later on I turned on ESPN radio and Brandon Tierney was doing the same shtick...I guess when you have a radio show every day you need to be a little tightly wound and get all crazy after week of no news....Next week it'll be "OMG WTF Lowe doesn't want to come to NY, stop bending over to this guy!!!!!#*$#*@"
blackjack23
Footballguy
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
Good job CC. You are a first-class, greedy coward. Hope the pinstripes have the slimming effect you covet.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Buster Olney reporting the deal is 7 years, $160 million
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
I can't wait for August when the Circus known as the Yankees are falling flat on their face again. It'll be too funny.
Workhorse
Footballguy
Buster Olney reporting the deal is 7 years, $160 million
7 years?Wow.The back half of this deal could be brutal.
T
The Ghost of Common
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Yankees are never going to learn.
Unreal. Can't wait to listen to them piss and moan for the last 4 or 5 years of the deal about how it was a terrible deal
Unreal. Can't wait to listen to them piss and moan for the last 4 or 5 years of the deal about how it was a terrible deal
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I hope this bumps up their season totals number in Vegas. I love cashing those tickets every year.
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
Yeah, but that crooked-hatted tub can fill a pretty big hole. If you ever wanted to know what would happen if David Wells took teh roids . . . I give you CC.
whoknew
Footballguy
What does that even mean? You would turn down $160 mm if you were CC? Come on.
whoknew
Footballguy
You think CC is only going to be good for 2 years? Or do you think contracts are going to deflate and A starters will only earn $10 million in 2 years?
whoknew
Footballguy
Didn't this help to do both?at the yankees. do you guys realize the goal is the world series (or how about the playoffs for that matter), not to spend the most money?
Workhorse
Footballguy
Did it?You effectively replace Mussina (last year's ERA+: 132) with Sabathia (career ERA+: 121)... The Yankees, as currently constituted, are still a 3rd place team.Didn't this help to do both?at the yankees. do you guys realize the goal is the world series (or how about the playoffs for that matter), not to spend the most money?
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Who cares? It's not like they don't have the money.Buster Olney reporting the deal is 7 years, $160 million
Wow.
The back half of this deal could be brutal.
Capella
Footballguy
7 years
Honestly I don't think this is going to work out at all. And I don't mean 6 years from now. This guy doesn't appear to love the idea of pitching in NY, he's backed down from the biggest pressure spots in his career in the playoffs...and now he has to live up to the biggest deal ever in the biggest city for a team that missed the playoffs and is now opening up a 700 billion dollar stadium.
I'm telling you, this isn't going to work. I think he's going to struggle this year.
Honestly I don't think this is going to work out at all. And I don't mean 6 years from now. This guy doesn't appear to love the idea of pitching in NY, he's backed down from the biggest pressure spots in his career in the playoffs...and now he has to live up to the biggest deal ever in the biggest city for a team that missed the playoffs and is now opening up a 700 billion dollar stadium.
I'm telling you, this isn't going to work. I think he's going to struggle this year.
whoknew
Footballguy
Did it?You effectively replace Mussina (last year's ERA+: 132) with Sabathia (career ERA+: 121)... The Yankees, as currently constituted, are still a 3rd place team.Didn't this help to do both?
That's an interesting way to manipulate those numbers.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The history for big ticket pitching contracts is not great. The only deal that really worked out was Pedro's in BOS. I started a thread on this last month. LINKCertainly there is no guarantee that CC will turn out like the other guys, but the track record for these types of deals has not been very good.
whoknew
Footballguy
Who cares? It's not like they don't have the money.Buster Olney reporting the deal is 7 years, $160 million
Wow.
The back half of this deal could be brutal.
If it's the Royals, it's a disaster. But the Yanks can afford years 6 and 7 to be a pit. They can afford to pay 7 years for 5 good ones, or whatever.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Lots of good players that have done well in different environments and smaller markets have not played nearly as well in the Bronx. Something to be concerned about for sure (but very hard to predict).7 years
whoknew
Footballguy
But again, the point is if it takes a 7 year deal to get 5 good years from Sabathia, that's something they can afford.
Workhorse
Footballguy
So you think that CC in 2009 is going to be markedly better than Mussina was in 2008? Show me a year where CC's stats in the AL were so much better than a 20 win season with a 3.37 ERA....Did it?You effectively replace Mussina (last year's ERA+: 132) with Sabathia (career ERA+: 121)... The Yankees, as currently constituted, are still a 3rd place team.Didn't this help to do both?
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Definitely hard to predict but I'm on board with Cappy here. Guy was HORRIBLE when the lights were brightest. And that was here in Cleveland. Pressure will be 100x that in NY.Lots of good players that have done well in different environments and smaller markets have not played nearly as well in the Bronx. Something to be concerned about for sure (but very hard to predict).7 years
Honestly I don't think this is going to work out at all. And I don't mean 6 years from now. This guy doesn't appear to love the idea of pitching in NY, he's backed down from the biggest pressure spots in his career in the playoffs...and now he has to live up to the biggest deal ever in the biggest city for a team that missed the playoffs and is now opening up a 700 billion dollar stadium.
I'm telling you, this isn't going to work. I think he's going to struggle this year.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
at you guys thinking CC's going to waltz right into NYC. You know he's a west coast guy, right?
You obviously have CC mixed up with another C-town player who wants to be there -- LeBron James.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
That's great . . . IF they get 5 good years out of him.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
I think the theory is:That Posada and Matsui will be healthier, if not healthy...Cano and A-Rod will return to previous levels of production, or close to it...A full healthy season from Wang and Joba...The effectiveness of the bullpen from April on rather than getting on track a month in...The ability of CC to throw 240 IP, something Mussina isn't able to do at this point in his career, which saves the pen, which in turn rests the relievers for a possible postseason...(ETA because I forgot my wrap-up) Which all this means is that in a typical season, a 20 win campaign with a 3.37 ERA from Mussina would certainly be good enough to keep the Yanks out of 3rd. If someone had told you last year that those would have been his stats, you'd have assumed the Yanks ran away with the division title. After all, they had 19 game winner Wang, and a ridiculous offense. If the offense returns to 2007 levels and Wang/Joba ascend to be very good 2-3 starters, then there's almost no way the Yanks finish lower than 2nd.So you think that CC in 2009 is going to be markedly better than Mussina was in 2008? Show me a year where CC's stats in the AL were so much better than a 20 win season with a 3.37 ERA....Did it?You effectively replace Mussina (last year's ERA+: 132) with Sabathia (career ERA+: 121)... The Yankees, as currently constituted, are still a 3rd place team.Didn't this help to do both?
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Michael Brown
Footballguy
Not counting Mussina with the Yanks?
Thunderlips
Footballguy
The Yanks could sign Jesus Christ and guys would complain that the holes in his hands will result in poor D. It's a good deal. A neccessary deal. They get a Lefty in his prime....who could be effective throught the life of the contract. He is a legit Ace....one of only a few in the league. He's a workhorse. He makes the rotation that much better. With the stuff guys are arguing about....I'm seeing a lot of sour grapes here.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Is it crazy to look at this that CC is effectively replacing Mussina?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Yeah, I thought about that and was going to add him in. Still, the winners are well behind the losers in the big contract picture.Not counting Mussina with the Yanks?
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Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
Well...first of all he's a coward for succumbing to the pressure from the union to take the most money. In my opinion, CC was/is a much better NL pitcher. He's said how much he wants to pitch in California where he lives. He enjoys hitting. All of this boils down to the union getting to him. He's greedy because everyone who plays for the Yankees is greedy. It's science. And he's first class meaning he's the top tier relative to baseball players regarding the aformentioned title of greedy coward.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I hate the Yanks and even I have to admit this doesn't make them any worse. If there was a salary cap my answer would be different, but they seem to have unlimited money to throw around.
Capella
Footballguy
Sour grapes? My team just won both the division and the AL and still has a better squad. I know this was necessary for the Yanks, I'm just of the opinion it won't work.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Completely agree. But this is something the Yankees almost HAD to do. Sure it reeks of desperation at first glance, outbidding everyone by $50-$60 million, and they probably won't get their money's worth for at least one or two of the years...but the same thing people KILLED them for last offseason (not locking up a dominant lefty in his prime) is the reason they're getting killed for in here now. Extremely baffling. Which is it people -- should they get a dominant lefty in his prime, or shouldn't they? And don't tell me that Johan is SO much better than CC. The numbers are comparable enough no matter what stat you look at.I believed this was the plan all along...don't trade the young kids for Johan because this offseason's SP market was large. Instead, lock up one of these guys with only money and hope Hughes/Kennedy develop into top starters. Have your cake and eat it too type of thing. Hopefully the length and value of this contract means they can set their sights on one of the less in-demand starters out there to finish out the rotation (read: NOT A.J. Burnett).Yeah, I thought about that and was going to add him in. Still, the winners are well bhind the losers in the big contract picture.Not counting Mussina with the Yanks?
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Career Postseason StatsSabathia: 2-3, 7.92 ERA, 25 IP, 33 H, 22 ER, 22 BB, 24 SO
Santana: 1-3, 3.97 ERA, 34 IP, 35 H, 15 ER, 10 BB, 32 SO
