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Easy killer. Don't forget that Benson wasn't even part of the game plan until Rodgers was sacked 8 times. Then they were forced to run the ball to keep the front line honest. 20 touches seems like it will be his high, not his average. They'll be working in Alex Green as he gets healthier. Alex is the future back in that offense.For the next 4-5 weeks against some of the crappier defenses Benson is definitely a borderline RB2/3 play though. The TDs are going to cap him ... I don't expect any opportunities going forward.
the kool aid drinkers are still hanging around
Seriously, what has James Starks ever done? Benson is a schmuck and won't win any best teammate awards but the guy can play in this league. He's not being asked to carry an offense with 25-30 carries anymore. He's in a supposed high powered offense where he'll have to pass block, take 10-15 carries and maybe 5 pass attempts. He should be able to fall into 80 yards and td each week. I'll take that as a RB2 or RB3 anyday.
McCarthy was qoutrd as sayin 18 carries is a good number for Benson to receive going forward. Ad in another 2-5 looks in the passing game and TD opportunities and I just don't get how people aren't higher on this guy. To each his own I guess.'meyerj31 said:
No offense, herb, but you are proof of the entire concept.You come here to get a collective feel for Benson - that feel is that the upside is limited due to the passing game - threw 65% last year in the red zone. I do not see Rodgers letting his stats suffer for the "emergence" of Benson.Plus Kuhn and Rodgers will get their share of rushing TD's. Benson's ceiling right now is probably 7 total scores.But there are some people - like yourself - who don't concede to these factors and think Benson will be super stud. You are the type of guy that should be targeted and offered Benson in a trade - because you will overpay and get burned.That is entirely what this thread is about.
16 carries per game looks entirely reasonable right now. that at 4 YPC plus 3 catches for 20 yards and 7 total TDs gives you around 13 PPG. good for edge of top 10/high teens plus he's about as sure a thing going (no competition and no injury history). that people continue to miss the boat here is surprising, everything has pointed toward a massive value all year now it's happening and people for some reason continue to miss out.
Of course the flip side is that people ignore what they are actually seeing and come up with reasons why it won't continue. Reasons that may have been valid last year but don't necessarily translate to this year. The last 3 weeks Benson has averaged about 15 points in ppr formats. He's actually catching passes to go along with his rushing. His schedule going forward for the rest of the year is hardly brutal. The Packers should be in every game if not winning, keeping him on the field. He certainly wasn't drafted as a RB2 but it's reasonable to see him finishing there. Ryan Grant had no problem producing in an offense "limited" due to the passing game.
Not sure what you mean by 'proof of the entire concept' and I never said Benson would be a super stud, guy-don't put words in my mouth. I simply relayed a quote that pointed to a good to heavy workload (approx. 16 carries and a few receptions) moving forward. Good work-load plus potent offense plus no challenge for carries plus 3-down back plus goal line carries = good production regardless of talent. With the exception of week one, (which I will chalk up to not having a grasp of the playbook yet), he's rushed 20, 17 and 18 times (each game more than what I posted could be expected) and has gotten 4 receptions in each game. That's approximately 22-23 touches per game. Good workload, check.Benson is not a home run hitter and I'm not pimping him due to some other-worldly talent. His YPC (3.56) is not really that good because I don't think he's really that good. However, he is not a slouch either and is certainly the best RB Green Bay has had in some time. To be clear on his abilities, lets quickly look at who he's faced so far so you can better understand my reasons for thinking he is still being criminally undervalued by people like you: Week 1: Niners-ranked #1 against the runWeek 2: Bears-ranked #4 against the runWeek 3: Seahawks-ranked #3 against the runWeek 4: Saints-ranked #31 against the run (FWIW, he averaged 4.67 against them)So in the first four weeks of the season he's faced 3 of the top 4 run defenses in the league. Is it possible that the quality of his defensive competition, combined with a late start on the playbook, are a reason for his low ypc average? When he was finally exposed to a less than stellar run defense he carved up 85 yards on 18 carries (4.7 ypc) and grabbed 4 receptions for 22 yards. You point to Aaron Rodgers' not relinquishing his goal line carries. How many does he have this year? How many did he have last year? 0 and 3 respectively. I think you are vastly overstating Rodgers as a runner-this is not 2008. Kuhn has 4 carries this year. 4 and no TD's. Again, you are way off-base. As someone pointed out above-Benson has received 91% of the rushes for GB so far. Say that with me. ninety-one percent! 3-down back, no challenge for carries and the goal line work... check, check, check.Which takes me back to my point that I believe he will be a good to very good FF RB from here on out. Even with his tough first 3 weeks, he's on pace for 915 yards rushing, 48 receptions for 300 yards receiving and 4 total TD's. That equals out to about 170 FF points in my league or RB 21 last year.You've stated nothing but one situational goal line stat from last year and some conjecture to dis-prove his entire value to yourself. You are the type of person that doesn't do his own research, listens to and regurgitates the same rhetoric as the other sheep on these boards, and ends up getting burned because you fail to see value in a RB I drafted in the 10th round that is currently performing as a RB2 and can only get better in the coming weeks...his next four weeks are against Indy (26th), Houston (17th), St. Louis (21st) and Jacksonville (29th) and then his schedule gets tough. I will gladly ride out these next four fat weeks and then trade him to a guy like you that is four weeks too late coming to the party, at a massive return on my investment. No offense.
Agree. 13 PPG makes him a very serviceable flex with RB2 upside. Not bad for a guy who was basically a WW pickup / late round draft pick for most Benson owners.
Starks isn't exactly a threat to his playing time, but every carry he steals, even if it's only two or three, is a precious one. Ced needs a decent amount of volume to really produce.
I think, if you looked up the coin phrase "owned" this would be it. Nicely played, Man.Not sure what you mean by 'proof of the entire concept' and I never said Benson would be a super stud, guy-don't put words in my mouth. I simply relayed a quote that pointed to a good to heavy workload (approx. 16 carries and a few receptions) moving forward. Good work-load plus potent offense plus no challenge for carries plus 3-down back plus goal line carries = good production regardless of talent. With the exception of week one, (which I will chalk up to not having a grasp of the playbook yet), he's rushed 20, 17 and 18 times (each game more than what I posted could be expected) and has gotten 4 receptions in each game. That's approximately 22-23 touches per game. Good workload, check.Benson is not a home run hitter and I'm not pimping him due to some other-worldly talent. His YPC (3.56) is not really that good because I don't think he's really that good. However, he is not a slouch either and is certainly the best RB Green Bay has had in some time. To be clear on his abilities, lets quickly look at who he's faced so far so you can better understand my reasons for thinking he is still being criminally undervalued by people like you: Week 1: Niners-ranked #1 against the runWeek 2: Bears-ranked #4 against the runWeek 3: Seahawks-ranked #3 against the runWeek 4: Saints-ranked #31 against the run (FWIW, he averaged 4.67 against them)So in the first four weeks of the season he's faced 3 of the top 4 run defenses in the league. Is it possible that the quality of his defensive competition, combined with a late start on the playbook, are a reason for his low ypc average? When he was finally exposed to a less than stellar run defense he carved up 85 yards on 18 carries (4.7 ypc) and grabbed 4 receptions for 22 yards. You point to Aaron Rodgers' not relinquishing his goal line carries. How many does he have this year? How many did he have last year? 0 and 3 respectively. I think you are vastly overstating Rodgers as a runner-this is not 2008. Kuhn has 4 carries this year. 4 and no TD's. Again, you are way off-base. As someone pointed out above-Benson has received 91% of the rushes for GB so far. Say that with me. ninety-one percent! 3-down back, no challenge for carries and the goal line work... check, check, check.Which takes me back to my point that I believe he will be a good to very good FF RB from here on out. Even with his tough first 3 weeks, he's on pace for 915 yards rushing, 48 receptions for 300 yards receiving and 4 total TD's. That equals out to about 170 FF points in my league or RB 21 last year.You've stated nothing but one situational goal line stat from last year and some conjecture to dis-prove his entire value to yourself. You are the type of person that doesn't do his own research, listens to and regurgitates the same rhetoric as the other sheep on these boards, and ends up getting burned because you fail to see value in a RB I drafted in the 10th round that is currently performing as a RB2 and can only get better in the coming weeks...his next four weeks are against Indy (26th), Houston (17th), St. Louis (21st) and Jacksonville (29th) and then his schedule gets tough. I will gladly ride out these next four fat weeks and then trade him to a guy like you that is four weeks too late coming to the party, at a massive return on my investment. No offense.
Thanks king. Miss your insight in the birds thread.I think, if you looked up the coin phrase "owned" this would be it. Nicely played, Man.Not sure what you mean by 'proof of the entire concept' and I never said Benson would be a super stud, guy-don't put words in my mouth. I simply relayed a quote that pointed to a good to heavy workload (approx. 16 carries and a few receptions) moving forward. Good work-load plus potent offense plus no challenge for carries plus 3-down back plus goal line carries = good production regardless of talent. With the exception of week one, (which I will chalk up to not having a grasp of the playbook yet), he's rushed 20, 17 and 18 times (each game more than what I posted could be expected) and has gotten 4 receptions in each game. That's approximately 22-23 touches per game. Good workload, check.Benson is not a home run hitter and I'm not pimping him due to some other-worldly talent. His YPC (3.56) is not really that good because I don't think he's really that good. However, he is not a slouch either and is certainly the best RB Green Bay has had in some time. To be clear on his abilities, lets quickly look at who he's faced so far so you can better understand my reasons for thinking he is still being criminally undervalued by people like you: Week 1: Niners-ranked #1 against the runWeek 2: Bears-ranked #4 against the runWeek 3: Seahawks-ranked #3 against the runWeek 4: Saints-ranked #31 against the run (FWIW, he averaged 4.67 against them)So in the first four weeks of the season he's faced 3 of the top 4 run defenses in the league. Is it possible that the quality of his defensive competition, combined with a late start on the playbook, are a reason for his low ypc average? When he was finally exposed to a less than stellar run defense he carved up 85 yards on 18 carries (4.7 ypc) and grabbed 4 receptions for 22 yards. You point to Aaron Rodgers' not relinquishing his goal line carries. How many does he have this year? How many did he have last year? 0 and 3 respectively. I think you are vastly overstating Rodgers as a runner-this is not 2008. Kuhn has 4 carries this year. 4 and no TD's. Again, you are way off-base. As someone pointed out above-Benson has received 91% of the rushes for GB so far. Say that with me. ninety-one percent! 3-down back, no challenge for carries and the goal line work... check, check, check.Which takes me back to my point that I believe he will be a good to very good FF RB from here on out. Even with his tough first 3 weeks, he's on pace for 915 yards rushing, 48 receptions for 300 yards receiving and 4 total TD's. That equals out to about 170 FF points in my league or RB 21 last year.You've stated nothing but one situational goal line stat from last year and some conjecture to dis-prove his entire value to yourself. You are the type of person that doesn't do his own research, listens to and regurgitates the same rhetoric as the other sheep on these boards, and ends up getting burned because you fail to see value in a RB I drafted in the 10th round that is currently performing as a RB2 and can only get better in the coming weeks...his next four weeks are against Indy (26th), Houston (17th), St. Louis (21st) and Jacksonville (29th) and then his schedule gets tough. I will gladly ride out these next four fat weeks and then trade him to a guy like you that is four weeks too late coming to the party, at a massive return on my investment. No offense.
I don't know what you got for him, but Benson is as solid of a top 20RB as there is this year. I've watched every snap by the Packers, and Benson is running hard. He's also got the ability to make the first guy miss. He's pretty far from the most explosive RBs in the NFL, but he's got vision and instincts. If you throw out week 1 (not a ridiculous concept since they signed him a few weeks prior to that), he's averaging 95 yards/game over the last 3.
His schedule gets tougher? He's seen three weeks of top 5 run defenses out of 4 weeks. How much tougher can it get? (admittedly, I was too lazy to look at the schedule)
It gets a lot easier.His schedule gets tougher? He's seen three weeks of top 5 run defenses out of 4 weeks. How much tougher can it get? (admittedly, I was too lazy to look at the schedule)
Who actually owns Starks?
You know how to put a hex on people. Sheesh.
I believe this comment is directly responsible for what happened to Benson today.10-team league, me draft him 10.07...me happy. Me start him this week vs. Indy...me wait long time for this day
Seriously. What an arsehole.
I read on Rotoworld that Benson said his injury "isn't bad." He can walk on it. But he's in a walking boot.As an aside, I also own Jimmy Graham, who I just got in a trade. He also is in a walking boot. My apologies to all owners of both Benson and Graham for putting the whammy on them.'Shutout said:
just heard the dreaded words on ESPN. out 8 weeks, season over if surgery is required which hasn't been confirmed. either way, looks like it may be safe to drop him.
What other players did you draft? So I know who to trade away.
Meh. Pretty disappointed with this news. Obviously I was high on him. Never know what's right around the corner...I'd bounce ridley if you'be got him, based on my mush status.'zandbak said:
Agree with this. That was horrible.I believe this comment is directly responsible for what happened to Benson today.10-team league, me draft him 10.07...me happy. Me start him this week vs. Indy...me wait long time for this day
Same here, I have him in all 4 leagues....not fun..So, it looks like 8 weeks is the latest news?
