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Cedric Benson is STILL bad. (3 Viewers)

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benm3218

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He had if I remember right less than 3 yards per carry.

He had no "moves" to shake and bake or be agile.

He didn't appear powerful to me.

He fell down easy.

He can catch in the backfield but is too slow to do anything with it afterward.

He appears to be the SAME turd he has always been.

Waiver Wire Fodder

Please convince me I am wrong if you think I am, don't just post some snide comment, tell me something I missed or some logical point why he is going to be serviceable this year. Because, to me he seems like a time bomb till he loses his job to the rookie.

 
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pros

still in mid 20's

no competition

runs hard

finish last season strong

ppr league (solid)

solid wr trio with a healthy palmer

cons

plays pitt and balt twice

playing from behind in the 4th Q

 
benm3218 said:
He had if I remember right less than 3 yards per carry. He had no "moves" to shake and bake or be agile. (made defenders miss completey more than twice)He didn't appear powerful to me. He fell down easy. He can catch in the backfield but is too slow to do anything with it afterward. (he caught 4 balls with ease)He appears to be the SAME turd he has always been.Waiver Wire FodderPlease convince me I am wrong if you think I am, don't just post some snide comment, tell me something I missed or some logical point why he is going to be serviceable this year. Because, to me he seems like a time bomb till he loses his job to the rookie.
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did you watch the first quarter last night???
 
dansav said:
benm3218 said:
He had if I remember right less than 3 yards per carry. He had no "moves" to shake and bake or be agile. (made defenders miss completey more than twice)He didn't appear powerful to me. He fell down easy. He can catch in the backfield but is too slow to do anything with it afterward. (he caught 4 balls with ease)He appears to be the SAME turd he has always been.Waiver Wire FodderPlease convince me I am wrong if you think I am, don't just post some snide comment, tell me something I missed or some logical point why he is going to be serviceable this year. Because, to me he seems like a time bomb till he loses his job to the rookie.
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did you watch the first quarter last night???
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Yes. I just simply was not impressed.... I mean maybe he will be on par with a Julius Jones or Maurice Morris type of back, but I see nothing impressive in him at all.
 
benm3218 said:
dansav said:
benm3218 said:
He had if I remember right less than 3 yards per carry. He had no "moves" to shake and bake or be agile. (made defenders miss completey more than twice)He didn't appear powerful to me. He fell down easy. He can catch in the backfield but is too slow to do anything with it afterward. (he caught 4 balls with ease)He appears to be the SAME turd he has always been.Waiver Wire FodderPlease convince me I am wrong if you think I am, don't just post some snide comment, tell me something I missed or some logical point why he is going to be serviceable this year. Because, to me he seems like a time bomb till he loses his job to the rookie.
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did you watch the first quarter last night???
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Yes. I just simply was not impressed
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me neither. had a couple of nice runs, but more bad ones.
 
joffer said:
benm3218 said:
dansav said:
benm3218 said:
He had if I remember right less than 3 yards per carry. He had no "moves" to shake and bake or be agile. (made defenders miss completey more than twice)He didn't appear powerful to me. He fell down easy. He can catch in the backfield but is too slow to do anything with it afterward. (he caught 4 balls with ease)He appears to be the SAME turd he has always been.Waiver Wire FodderPlease convince me I am wrong if you think I am, don't just post some snide comment, tell me something I missed or some logical point why he is going to be serviceable this year. Because, to me he seems like a time bomb till he loses his job to the rookie.
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did you watch the first quarter last night???
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Yes. I just simply was not impressed
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me neither. had a couple of nice runs, but more bad ones.
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And he fumbled...again.
 
benm3218 said:
He had no "moves" to shake and bake or be agile.
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He completely side stepped Shaun Springs and gained an extra 10 yards or so on his 1st catch. Later in the night, a LB had him dead to rights in the backfield and he used the same move for positive yardage.
 
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He will be just as bad or worse as a starter in Cincy with little competition (initially) as he was in Chicago. The product hasn't changed, just the barrell it's kept in.

In Chicago he had "no competition" as the starter until they realized he "runs hard" (straight into his linemen) and "he's young" (just leaves more years in which to suck). A few games into the season there journeymen like Adrian Peterson and even Garret "I'm horrible and tiny" Wolfe started eating into his carries. I guarantee you that even journeymen like Leonard and young Bernard Scott will be taking a significant number of touches a short while into the season.

 
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Look he's not one of the leagues elite backs but he does have opportunity. He's looked pretty good but he's got to hold onto the ball though. 2 fumbles in less than one game worth of work is not good. Their offense should move the ball, he will be the goal line back, he should get the majority of the carries and be the workhorse, he doesn't have anyone pushing him and he's cheap. If the offense is better than expected with Carson back in the lineup he could be a Rudi Johnson type back. Not sure what's not to like as a #2/3 back. :lmao:

 
I thought he looked decent and faster than past years. He will be part of a good offense and has little competition. He is easily top 25 this year. I would take him ahead of Bush, Stewart, and Addai who are all rated ahead of him.

 
Banger said:
Look he's not one of the leagues elite backs but he does have opportunity. He's looked pretty good but he's got to hold onto the ball though. 2 fumbles in less than one game worth of work is not good. Their offense should move the ball, he will be the goal line back, he should get the majority of the carries and be the workhorse, he doesn't have anyone pushing him and he's cheap. If the offense is better than expected with Carson back in the lineup he could be a Rudi Johnson type back. Not sure what's not to like as a #2/3 back. :shrug:
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I don't disagree with you, but the fumbles will have the Bengals worried. Too bad Scott didn't do much either in the last game. I'd like to know how Scott is doing in blitz pickup... Anybody know?
 
I grabbed Scott with my last pick in a dynasty league because I have no faith that Benson can keep the job. He just has looked very average when I've seen him.

 
benm3218 said:
He had if I remember right less than 3 yards per carry. He had no "moves" to shake and bake or be agile.He didn't appear powerful to me. He fell down easy. He can catch in the backfield but is too slow to do anything with it afterward.He appears to be the SAME turd he has always been.Waiver Wire FodderPlease convince me I am wrong if you think I am, don't just post some snide comment, tell me something I missed or some logical point why he is going to be serviceable this year. Because, to me he seems like a time bomb till he loses his job to the rookie.
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You are just bitter that I got him before you did in Anarchy :shrug: Seriosly, I took Scott too. Benson looks really average. But I have to think he is still not overpriced at his ADP. Too much opportunity.
 
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I don't think he'll be losing to many touches to Brian Leonard.
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Maybe not, but he could lose touches to Bernard Scott.
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He certainly could, though it might be worth noting Scott looked much worse than Benson last night, though obviously a very small sample size of carries.
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Yeah, neither one had much room to run. But if that continues I like Scott even more. He's the type of guy who can make something out of nothing. Benson...not so much.
 
Wasn't impressed with Scott at all. Looked the worst of the three.

Thought Leonard looked solid with a nice burst (shoulders are always a concern). Benson showed some nice shake & bake. He's certainly got the opportunity to be a average RB2.

 
Who said Leonard was a journeyman?

Isn't he a 3rd year guy who is only on his second team? I don't think you qualify as a jouneyman until at least 4th or 5th team.

 
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CrossEyed said:
He just has looked very average when I've seen him.
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"Average" is a whole lot better than anyone else on that roster.If he gets 300 touches, even at a lousy YPA, he'll be a good RB3 or an ok RB2.
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His season stats might look like "a good RB3" but look at his schedule and tell me when you start him with confidence. Not in the 5 games against Pitt., Bal., Minn. at the very least. That's practically half the fantasy season he's deadweight on your roster.
 
benm3218 said:
He had if I remember right less than 3 yards per carry.

He had no "moves" to shake and bake or be agile.

He didn't appear powerful to me.

He fell down easy.

He can catch in the backfield but is too slow to do anything with it afterward.

He appears to be the SAME turd he has always been.

He had 53 yards in the 1st quarter.

Waiver Wire Fodder

Please convince me I am wrong if you think I am, don't just post some snide comment, tell me something I missed or some logical point why he is going to be serviceable this year. Because, to me he seems like a time bomb till he loses his job to the rookie, who averaged just over 1 yard per carry .
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I can't believe the Bengals haven't gone out and signed Edge. He's still better than Benson.

If Benson had ANY competition at all, he'd be riding the bench. Bengals should have gone out and spent the money on a guy like Derrick Ward. But they are the Bengals.

 
Benson didn't perform badly, he had more burst/assortment of moves/and hands(who knew) than i can remember seeing from him while a bear. the announcers said something to the effect that he got on some training regiment and actually got his ### in shape. his stats or more importantly YPC were low but let's see how many RB's this year put up a good YPC against the Patriots front. when Warren(so underrated)/seymour/wilfork are healthy its damn near impossible to run against them. all 3 seem to need to be doubled

i know someone just mentioned Rey looked good..........what about Keith Rivers???? my lord he looked fantastic, now if he can just watchout for crackbacks the bengals will be in good shape

 
All the supplements and doctors in the world wont make him any brighter, but he's never been a "bad" running back. He's not the same type of back as Julius Jones or Forte, but he is the same type as Rudi was.

He wont be a PPR stud.

 
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I can't believe the Bengals haven't gone out and signed Edge. He's still better than Benson.
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What makes you know that for sure?Last year Benson (age 25) averaged 3.5 YPC for a horrible team with no O-line, despite not participating in training camp and having to learn the playbook on-the-fly. The team's other RB averaged a pathetic 2.6 YPC.Meanwhile, Edge is on the wrong side of 30 and just came off his worst season as a pro.
 
Consider these numbers

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Games	Rushes	Yards	YPC	TD	REC	Yards	avg 	Td13.75	124.75	473	3.75	3	24.25	163	6.725	011.75	158.75	586	3.78	3	11.5	91.25	6.55	0
Quickly, which player is Cedric Benson, and which is player B? These are the averages from their first 4 seasons. Both we top 10 picks. Both were the second running back chosen in their respective class. Both only lasted three seasons with their original teams. But were sent to football hinterlands and expected to be never heard from again. One rose from the ashes to be a pretty darn good back. Cedric has every bit the opportunity to do that.
 
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Crazy difference between the people downing a 6 pack of haterade and the guys toasting a 2 liter bottle of koolade. Benson rarely seems to be middle ground.

I side with the koolade crowd in that he represents good value. The haters act like Benson is being drafted in the first two rounds and he's not. He's a #2 or #3 guy. Even the koolade crowd recognizes that.

Gotta love the one projection that has Benson getting 1 TD and a few hundred yards without getting injured. Emotions for the guy definitely overtook any sense of objectivity. Time to settle down, take a step back, and take a deep breath. Benson won't destroy anyone's fantasy season.

 
Benson is, and always will be a turd. If you drafted him as a #2 or #3, trade him while you can. He peaked at Texas, and, well, quite simply, he sucks...

No burst, no agility, avoids contact, always looks slow, pouts when he doesn't get his way, seems to have problems off the field. I loved the guy at Texas, but WAS a better back at that point in his life. Once he got paid, he stopped trying, just my opinion.

 
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Big Black effin dot. I am not a Benson fan and have been burned by him but had to take him in Round 5 as my RB3.

At least I landed D Brown in Rd 6 as a keeper option

 
Again... Benson was a lack luster, boring, and ineffective loser. The Bengals offensive line looks bad and I mean BAD, and when you combine that with a turd of a running back you get a very unexciting RB that has proven to be bad in the past on a team with a poor O-line. Steer clear!!!

 
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Again... Benson was a lack luster, boring, and ineffective loser. The Bengals offensive line looks bad and I mean BAD, and when you combine that with a turd of a running back you get a very unexciting RB that has proven to be bad in the past on a team with a poor O-line. Steer clear!!!
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See I look at this differently. They apparently are giving him the ball a ton and he is staying in on passing downs so over the course of a 4qt game I see Benson getting a ton of carries and wearing down the defense late in the game for some good yards. Not saying he is going to finish in the top 10 but I bet he is going to make a great RB#2. Especially when Palmer is back and the defense has to respect the passing game.Long story short is that Cedric is a starting RB that should get 20+ carries a game with nobody behind him pushing for playing time. I can easily see 1000 yds and about 8td's for him.
 
AcerFC said:
Big Black effin dot. I am not a Benson fan and have been burned by him but had to take him in Round 5 as my RB3. At least I landed D Brown in Rd 6 as a keeper option
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No, you didn't have to take him. If he blows, he blows.Edit - I see he had another 3.4 yard average last night, which is right in line with his usual turdness.
 
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Palmer, Ocho Cinco, Coles, and Henry.

With all four of those players on the field the Bengals are going to be facing 7 man fronts. If the Bengals are committed to getting him the ball he will have some value. There are also some cupcake games on their schedule.

Denver

@Cleveland

Houston

@Oakland

Cleveland

Detroit

Kansas City

Benson can easily be a RB2 option in these games. If you're forced into starting him against Pittsburgh or Baltimore, best of luck. :rolleyes:

Bernard Scott seems to have a fumbling problem, so I don't expect him to be taking too many carries away from Benson, and we know that the Bengals stick with one back. If Benson is awful, Scott will be the starter, and if you're proactive with Cincinnati's RB situation you can probably grab him off of your waiver wire.

 
It is preseason, my god. If he rushed for 100 yards, everyone would say "What a great sleeper he is!"

I do not put any stock in the preseason

 
Cedric Benson-RB- Bengals Aug. 27 - 10:55 pm et

Cedric Benson was held to 17 yards on five carries against the Rams Thursday night.

The story of this game was the Bengals offensive line, which struggled to contain a mediocre Rams pass rush. The Bengals allowed six sacks and had two first half fumbles, each leading to touchdowns. It wasn't a true dress rehearsal with Carson Palmer sidelined, but the line figures to remain a weakness all season.

:rolleyes:

 
HALtheCOW said:
benm3218 said:
He had if I remember right less than 3 yards per carry.

He had no "moves" to shake and bake or be agile.

He didn't appear powerful to me.

He fell down easy.

He can catch in the backfield but is too slow to do anything with it afterward.

He appears to be the SAME turd he has always been.

Waiver Wire Fodder

Please convince me I am wrong if you think I am, don't just post some snide comment, tell me something I missed or some logical point why he is going to be serviceable this year. Because, to me he seems like a time bomb till he loses his job to the rookie.
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You are just bitter that I got him before you did in Anarchy :confused: Seriosly, I took Scott too. Benson looks really average. But I have to think he is still not overpriced at his ADP. Too much opportunity.
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http://football18.myfantasyleague.com/2009...=18917&O=17Pretty sure Benson will outperform Kevin Boss. Arian Foster wasn't even listed in the draft dominator, is that bad?

 
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rvmblack said:
It is preseason, my god. If he rushed for 100 yards, everyone would say "What a great sleeper he is!"I do not put any stock in the preseason
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Preseason has nothing to do with it. I personally watched that guy, over and over, at Soldier Field have the inability to turn the corner. Either he has the ability to be a quality NFL back or he does not. IMO, he clearly does not.Grahamburn makes a good point about his schedule. That however does not change whether he has talent.
 
BustedKnuckles said:
Cedric Benson-RB- Bengals Aug. 27 - 10:55 pm et Cedric Benson was held to 17 yards on five carries against the Rams Thursday night.The story of this game was the Bengals offensive line, which struggled to contain a mediocre Rams pass rush. The Bengals allowed six sacks and had two first half fumbles, each leading to touchdowns. It wasn't a true dress rehearsal with Carson Palmer sidelined, but the line figures to remain a weakness all season. :(
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You are getting it. Bad RB on a BAD O-line team = junky sub par production from a guy who has consistently proven he is a loser.I don't care how many carries he gets folks. He has no talent and no O-line to give him any help. I would draft Bernard Scott even if he was the 3rd RB before I would want Benson. If Benson is your RB 2 you better have 3 STUD WR's and Brady at QB.
 
rvmblack said:
It is preseason, my god. If he rushed for 100 yards, everyone would say "What a great sleeper he is!"I do not put any stock in the preseason
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DO you put any stock in Benson historically sucking?
 
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buck naked said:
rvmblack said:
It is preseason, my god. If he rushed for 100 yards, everyone would say "What a great sleeper he is!"

I do not put any stock in the preseason
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Preseason has nothing to do with it. I personally watched that guy, over and over, at Soldier Field have the inability to turn the corner. Either he has the ability to be a quality NFL back or he does not. IMO, he clearly does not.Grahamburn makes a good point about his schedule. That however does not change whether he has talent.
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I don't think he's an overly talented runner either. There must be some talent however, he was a top 5 pick. Maybe the light has come on for this guy. The thing with Benson is that you can likely get him in the late 6th/early 7th round as your third/fourth RB. We know the Bengals are going to give him the ball and there are some games on that schedule that he will be startable. Pair him up with a couple of the younger/upside backs in that area and you can play matchups with your RB2 all year.

Benson had some pretty decent games last season with the Bengals, and he showed some ability to receive the ball out of the backfield, which he has done this preseason as well.

Jacksonville: 24 carries for 104 yards 1 TD, 1 rec for 5 yards.

Philadelphia: 23 carries for 42 yards, 6 rec for 37 yards.

Washington: 21 carries for 73 yards, 3 rec for 88 yards.

Cleveland: 38 carries for 171 yards

Kansas City: 25 carries for 111 1 TD, 2 rec for 19 yards.

Those are some decent games for a RB2 if you started him as such those weeks. Against some of the softer defenses referenced in my previous post Benson could easily average 100 total yards and a TD.

If you're drafting WRs or a QB early I see Benson as a pretty decent option in a RB2 by committee strategy.

 
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