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MelvinTScupper
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You forgot Dononan McNabb's score of roughly 10.
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Cedric Cobbs (1 Viewer)
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
That's my point Kit. Thinking he sucks doesn't mean you have to hate him. yet you get "personal" with him, about him being stupid, etc, and you lose all credibility. And it's not just you. That thread from a couple of months ago had a lot of Patriots fans spitting venom. Very weird, but I've learned not to trust you on him. Now, further eroding your credibility is your inability to see the difference between a late round, 3rd string RB on DEN and a late round, 3rd string RB on, say, San Francisco. If you really can't see the difference there, then you probably need to go to a lesser fantasy football board. Is FFToday still around?I'd like to point out as a public service announcemnent that Patriots homers hate Cedric Cobbs for the same reason we hate Rohan Davey, David Terrell, Donald Hayes, Amos Zereoue, etc... they suck!
I'd also like to point out that ConstruxBoy and CWS3030 both list Cobbs in their sigs. One has him as his "sleeper RB" and the other has him on his roster. Take THAT with a grain of salt.
Now for this one...
"coming in here and saying the guy could have some value as a 13th round pick in a dynasty, isn't hyping a guy."
I get it. He could surprise people and would be a late round, low-cost, absolute STEAL if and when something happens to both Dayne and Bell. But the same could be said for any and every backup or 3rd string RB in the league. But we don't have any threads dedicated to Sammy Morris now do we?
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Just as a point of reference, someone (Bloom, CC?) once stated that the apprx average of a RB wonderlic was 17. So a 14 isn't really that bad there. What surprises me on that list is Greg Jones. That's higher than I would have expected.
yes i do have him in my sig, do you think i was trying to hide that or that you are the only one who could see it? i drafted him in the 4th round of my rookie/fa draft. whats wrong with that?I'd like to point out as a public service announcemnent that Patriots homers hate Cedric Cobbs for the same reason we hate Rohan Davey, David Terrell, Donald Hayes, Amos Zereoue, etc... they suck!
I'd also like to point out that ConstruxBoy and CWS3030 both list Cobbs in their sigs. One has him as his "sleeper RB" and the other has him on his roster. Take THAT with a grain of salt.
Now for this one...
"coming in here and saying the guy could have some value as a 13th round pick in a dynasty, isn't hyping a guy."
I get it. He could surprise people and would be a late round, low-cost, absolute STEAL if and when something happens to both Dayne and Bell. But the same could be said for any and every backup or 3rd string RB in the league. But we don't have any threads dedicated to Sammy Morris now do we?
does sammy morris play for denver?
does every thread in here need to be about TO or who should be the first pick SA/LT/LJ or how could the texans pass on reggie bush?
cobbs has the physical tools to succeed in denver and from what is being reported it seems his attitude has chaged some. if he can stay healthy and get an opportunity he could do something with it.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
A lesser FF board? Are you implying this one is the only one with credibility?In response to your comment regarding the difference between a 3rd string Denver RB and a 3rd string SF RB...
Fantasy football (to me at least) is not about being able to spot the gem in the scrap heap every year. I don't need to be the guy who finds the sleeper every year. Ain't happenin'. It's nice when it does, but I can't let my fantasy season hang on my abilty to find sleepers. (Can't tell ya how many preseason, over-hyped players I've whiffed on over the years. Jeremy McDaniel anyone?) Fantasy football to me is about consistency. I want QBs who play 16 games, RBs who get 25 carries a game, and WRs that get 10 receptions a game. I want the guy who actually gets on the field, not the guy who coulda-woulda-shoulda.
Now I might be getting "personal" by calling some scrub RB stupid, but he is what he is. No need to question my credibilty because we disagree. This is fantasy; I don't really hate Cedric Cobbs, the man. And this isn't personal between me and you...
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
But instead of being able to get some decent insight into Cobbs from a Patriots fan, all we get is that he sucks and that he's stupid. That doesn't help me. I'm wondering why the Pats dropped him and why Denver picked him up. I thought he looked quite good coming out of Arkansas (better than Howard, but probably not as good as McFadden will), and I'm wondering if he just didn't fit the Patriots "mold", for lack of a better term. But all I get in this thread, as well as the one from several months ago, is multiple posts of you ripping Cobbs. And you're not the only one either, as that old thread showed. But please, just stop. We understand that you think he sucks and he's an idiot. But don't keep bombing us with those same posts. Thanks.
As far as this board, I do think it's the best out there and I would like to keep the intelligence level as high as possible. Excluding the FFA, of course. 
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Ducegonads
Footballguy
B-I-N-G-O!!! We have a winner.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I admit to getting annoyed at times by Fisto's posts, wondering why he seems negative so much of the time almost regardless of topic. But then I remind myself that it's just his style, and there are all sorts of styles here, and he just brings another ingredient to the overall blend of this place.
On the subject of Cobbs and sleepers in general, I think part of the disagreement as to whether such players are worth talking about or just a waste of time has to do with type of league.
On one extreme is a 10-team, 18-man roster, start two RB (or even start just one RB plus a flex) redraft league. With only 180 players and probably only 40 or so RBs rostered, drafting players like Cobbs isn't going to happen nearly as often. Still, I'd think owners would want to have some sleepers on their radar.
On the other extreme is a 14- or 16-team (I've even seen 32-team), 20- to 25-man roster (or more), start two RB plus two flex dynasty league. These rosters just are not stacked from top to bottom. When you're looking at 280+ rostered players, burying your head in the sand regarding possible sleeper RBs until they actually become starters will only guarantee someone else will own them by the time you are willing to pull the trigger, and you'll never, ever get one.
Five of my leagues are dynasty 14-team, 20-man rosters, and four of those can start up to four RBs. In such leagues the bottom of most rosters are sleepers and projects and role players, and owners are always looking to build a stronger team, year by year, replacing the crap at the bottom with guys with more potential. In one of those leagues, for example, I was a little quicker to see there was a chance Droughns might have a shot a couple of years ago so I grabbed him as a free agent (Droughns situation wasn't a lot different than Cobbs, nor was there any shortage of "Droughns sucks" naysayers). He's now been a starter for two years, going on three, and in a start-up-to-four RB league that's gold. And all it cost me was some backup kicker or low-stat, no-upside WR.
Droughns is just one RB example. How about Larry Johnson, Lamont Jordan, Rudi Johnson, Brian Westbrook, Domanick Davis, Willie Parker, Chester Taylor, Thomas Jones, Sam Gado, and other current starters, all of whom were available for next to nothing at one time but have benefitted owners who are on top of things. In fact, I remember the debate before the 2001 season as to whether Holmes or Richardson had the most value. Sounds pretty funny now, doesn't it? But Holmes had just left a team where he was a backup and had been an undrafted free agent. Some pedigree.
Any message boarder who simply says "he sucks" concerning Cobbs is in my opinion showing his own narrow-mindedness and ignorance of the facts since being picked up by Denver. There were plenty of "he sucks" posts regarding every name listed above before those RBs began putting up their stats too. To quote Fisto, "I want QBs who play 16 games, RBs who get 25 carries a game, and WRs that get 10 receptions a game." Well DUH, who doesn't. In a 280+ player league you're not going to find that, though, so what then do we do? Do we blindly ignore any player whose star value isn't already crystal clear? Not in large leagues if we want to be competitive in the long run, because there are a lot of other owners also searching for the next Holmes or Jordan. Are the odds great when it comes to guys like Cobbs? Of course not or they wouldn't be sleepers. The odds are zero though if we just sit there and do nothing, holding onto some trash WR or TE at the bottom of the roster, and let another owner reap the rewards when the sleeper comes through.
On the subject of Cobbs and sleepers in general, I think part of the disagreement as to whether such players are worth talking about or just a waste of time has to do with type of league.
On one extreme is a 10-team, 18-man roster, start two RB (or even start just one RB plus a flex) redraft league. With only 180 players and probably only 40 or so RBs rostered, drafting players like Cobbs isn't going to happen nearly as often. Still, I'd think owners would want to have some sleepers on their radar.
On the other extreme is a 14- or 16-team (I've even seen 32-team), 20- to 25-man roster (or more), start two RB plus two flex dynasty league. These rosters just are not stacked from top to bottom. When you're looking at 280+ rostered players, burying your head in the sand regarding possible sleeper RBs until they actually become starters will only guarantee someone else will own them by the time you are willing to pull the trigger, and you'll never, ever get one.
Five of my leagues are dynasty 14-team, 20-man rosters, and four of those can start up to four RBs. In such leagues the bottom of most rosters are sleepers and projects and role players, and owners are always looking to build a stronger team, year by year, replacing the crap at the bottom with guys with more potential. In one of those leagues, for example, I was a little quicker to see there was a chance Droughns might have a shot a couple of years ago so I grabbed him as a free agent (Droughns situation wasn't a lot different than Cobbs, nor was there any shortage of "Droughns sucks" naysayers). He's now been a starter for two years, going on three, and in a start-up-to-four RB league that's gold. And all it cost me was some backup kicker or low-stat, no-upside WR.
Droughns is just one RB example. How about Larry Johnson, Lamont Jordan, Rudi Johnson, Brian Westbrook, Domanick Davis, Willie Parker, Chester Taylor, Thomas Jones, Sam Gado, and other current starters, all of whom were available for next to nothing at one time but have benefitted owners who are on top of things. In fact, I remember the debate before the 2001 season as to whether Holmes or Richardson had the most value. Sounds pretty funny now, doesn't it? But Holmes had just left a team where he was a backup and had been an undrafted free agent. Some pedigree.
Any message boarder who simply says "he sucks" concerning Cobbs is in my opinion showing his own narrow-mindedness and ignorance of the facts since being picked up by Denver. There were plenty of "he sucks" posts regarding every name listed above before those RBs began putting up their stats too. To quote Fisto, "I want QBs who play 16 games, RBs who get 25 carries a game, and WRs that get 10 receptions a game." Well DUH, who doesn't. In a 280+ player league you're not going to find that, though, so what then do we do? Do we blindly ignore any player whose star value isn't already crystal clear? Not in large leagues if we want to be competitive in the long run, because there are a lot of other owners also searching for the next Holmes or Jordan. Are the odds great when it comes to guys like Cobbs? Of course not or they wouldn't be sleepers. The odds are zero though if we just sit there and do nothing, holding onto some trash WR or TE at the bottom of the roster, and let another owner reap the rewards when the sleeper comes through.
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tribecalledjeff
Footballguy
Do you find a lot of those?
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
I'm just touched that you guys have taken notice of little ol' me!
To my point, the guys you mention (Larry Johnson, Lamont Jordan, Rudi Johnson, Brian Westbrook, Domanick Davis, Willie Parker, Chester Taylor, Thomas Jones, Sam Gado) never got cut by the team that drafted/signed him and sat a year on someone else's practice squad.But I will agree that league formats differ, which is why I keep asking for a dynasty section to this board. In the 12-team, carry 6 RBs leagues I play in, Cobbs does not warrant a pickup/draft until otherwise proven he deserves it.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Bad guess. 25 x 16 = 400. Zero NFL RBs had 400 carries in 2005.
10 x 16 = 160. Zero NFL WRs had 160 receptions in a season ever.
Please quit while you're behind. You just sound more foolish as you go along.
Incorrect. Anderson started at RB, and won offensive rookie of the year in 2000 when he rushed for almost 1500 yards in 12 games. Droughns also started at RB, although he got cut from Detroit and spent his entire career in Denver at FB until he got his shot at the starting gig.
Not me. I agree 100%. I think that Shanny would LOVE to see Bell be the man.this should draw the ire of manyThat said, I think shanny would like to see Bell be the man.anything can happen in Denver
That's just asinine. When was the last time a team used a 3-head RBBC? Look back at the famous RBBCs in the NFL and you'll see a pair of RBs with different skillsets. Something like Dunn and Duckett, where one is the speedy guy and one is the grinder. Same thing with Bell/Anderson. Both RBs brought something different to the table, so it made sense to use both of them.Let's say that there are two fundamental types of RBs- "Grinders" and "Flashers". Some RBs rank high in both categories- for instance, Tomlinson would score a 10/10 both as a Grinder and a Flasher. Well, let's say that last year Anderson was a 10/10 as a Grinder and a 1/10 as a Flasher, and Bell was a 10/10 as a Flasher and a 1/10 as a Grinder. It makes very good football sense to mix the two types together. Now, let's say Anderson's backup, Dayne, ranks as a 9/10 Grinder and a 1/10 Flasher. It makes NO SENSE to start throwing him into the committee just to get another person in the committee, because he doesn't provide anything that isn't already BETTER COVERED ELSEWHERE.
In short, 3-headed RBBCs are an urban legend, a fantasy myth, a bed-time story used to scare young fantasy footballers. IT DOES NOT EXIST.
I strongly disagree with the Cecil Sapp love. He's a backup fullback. Yes, so was Reuben Droughns- but Droughns only got his shot after Denver ran out of RBs (Griffin, Anderson, Bell, and Hearst were all down for the count). If Denver runs out of RBs, they'll turn to Sapp to carry the load- not before.If Dayne goes down, Cobbs is the back I'd like to own.
Like its been said a thousand times, whoever gets the majority of the carries will be worth starting in ff terms.
After reading what seems like a million threads and articles on these guys this is what I think is going on in Denver.
Dayne - has the best chance to win the RB1 job.
Sapp - if Dayne gets hurt or is highly ineffective is then probably the best guy to have on your team. Although I see Bell's playing time increasing, I still think that Sapp will become featured enough to own.
Bell - worlds of talent, just get that feeling that he missed his chance. I don't think he will be an all around back, thus he is regulated to certain packages. (nothing really to back that up other than my takes on what I've read from coaches/writers in Den)
Cobbs - Darkhorse here, maybe good enough to be an all around back. I just don't think it will happen this year.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Yes. You need to keep up with Lammey's training camp thread on this page.Ron_Mexico said:
teamramrod
Footballguy
I posted this in another thread, and it's relevant to this one, so I'll repeat it...If Cedric Cobbs had any other logo on his helmet other than a Bronco, would we even be having this conversation?at FBGs falling all over themselves to hype the likes of Cedric Cobbs.
Best post of the year IMHO
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
Thank you. That is especially sweet considering the abuse I took because of it.I posted this in another thread, and it's relevant to this one, so I'll repeat it...If Cedric Cobbs had any other logo on his helmet other than a Bronco, would we even be having this conversation?
Foosball God
Foos
I'm guessing if he becomes a Jet (Per speculation from the FBG blogger) that we'll be dragging his name up again.Thank you. That is especially sweet considering the abuse I took because of it.I posted this in another thread, and it's relevant to this one, so I'll repeat it...If Cedric Cobbs had any other logo on his helmet other than a Bronco, would we even be having this conversation?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
.... any recent word on the Cobbs scene ?
broncofan13000
Footballguy
I am, he deserves a late flier. If Mike Bell falters, Cobbs has a great chance to be the starter. He is worth a later round pick imho.
seems they replaced him with another Cobbs
Pedro Cerrano Fan
Footballguy
Wow, Bo Jackson, OJ Simpson, Barry Sanders and Thurman Thomas all rolled into one? Bill Belichick must be an idiot!
