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Cin seems to be spreading the ball around an awful lot. Last week he had 1 reception. Week before that he was matched in targets by Chris Henry.

Is the Cin offense just getting too good for Chad to put up top 5 stats? :confused:

 
I liken his situation to the Harrison, Wayne, Stokley situation last year.

I'm concerned that he only had 2 targets against Pittsburgh but believe Chad Johnson will still be a top 10

receiver for the year.

It's too early to be overly concerned about him.

 
Is it just me, or does it seem like the Browns and Steelers have him figured out? He doesn't seem to do good against either team anymore. The only thing I notice with those 2 teams is they make sure he gets hit hard when he is targeted. Maybe that throws him off his game. Does anyone else notice this?

 
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Pittsburgh focuses so much on him Cinci's #2 always goes off (see Henry's 2 td and TJ's 2 tds this weekend)

 
Pittsburgh focuses so much on him Cinci's #2 always goes off (see Henry's 2 td and TJ's 2 tds this weekend)
Yeah, but are you seeing double-teams? I couldn't see the Pitt/Cincy game this year, but I didn't see the Browns double him much.
 
My thought was that CJ did below average against his own division and blew up the rest of the league, but I don't know that the data bears that out:

2004 Clev--1 TD, 154 yards

2005 Clev--0 TD's, 113 yards

2006 Clev--1TD, 78 yards (1 game)

2004 Pitt--1TD, 80 yards

2005 Pitt--0TD, 148 yards

2006 Pitt--0 TD's, 11 yards (1 game)

2004 Balt--2TD's, 260 yards

2005 Balt--1TD, 179 yards

2003 CJ was 1355 and 10 with 440 and 4 against his own division and 900 and 6 outside it.

2004 CJ 1274 yards, 9 TD's, so this was the best year he had against the division, 500 yards and 4 TD's in 6 games and 774 and 5 in 10 games outside of his division.

2005 CJ 1432 yards and 9 TD's, 440 yards and 1 TD against the division, 1000 and 8 outside it.

Pretty small sample set and I don't know that anything is proven here, but his yards are pretty stable around 450 against the division, but the TD's are a little erratic, as are most WR's TD's. Pretty good bet that CJ will still end up with 1300+ and 9 though at the end of the year though.

 
Chad was most certainly facing double teams and rolled coverages against Pittsburgh. You would like to see an elite WR beat a double team, but he wasn't really targeted in the game so it's hard to tell. They seemed very content to just throw to the single coverage elsewhere on the field.

I didn't watch much of the Cleveland game this year so I can't comment there.

 
Thanks for the stats, but throw out 04 for the Browns, I didn't notice this until last year. Pittsburgh probably figured it out first, but to be fair I'll throw 04 out for them too.

Looks like 350 yards and 1 TD in 5 games to me. OK numbers, but not really CJ numbers.

Thanks to Britney for the heads up on the Steelers Def. I did see a little doubling by the Browns, but it seems like the gameplan for them is to make sure Bodden covers him. I did see Holly cover him once and got beat and Ralph cover him once and got beat.

 
I think more than anything last week, CJ wasn't quite right from the headknock he took the week prior. Seemed to be more of a decoy than a real threat. I expect better things going forward.

 
I think more than anything last week, CJ wasn't quite right from the headknock he took the week prior. Seemed to be more of a decoy than a real threat. I expect better things going forward.
Not buying that, concussions don't linger like that. Fear does though, so I might give you that, and a result of concussions can be sudden headaches, so that could have happened too, but if Terrell Davis could play with migranes, I'm sure CJ shouldn't have been affected by any headache he might have had. There could always be another non-reported injury that we don't know about, but it still doesn't explain CJ in Cleveland and Pitt last year.
 
Not buying that, concussions don't linger like that. Fear does though, so I might give you that, and a result of concussions can be sudden headaches, so that could have happened too, but if Terrell Davis could play with migranes, I'm sure CJ shouldn't have been affected by any headache he might have had. There could always be another non-reported injury that we don't know about, but it still doesn't explain CJ in Cleveland and Pitt last year.
Sure they do. Sometimes the symptoms don't even show up for days after the initial hit to the head.

 
Not buying that, concussions don't linger like that. Fear does though, so I might give you that, and a result of concussions can be sudden headaches, so that could have happened too, but if Terrell Davis could play with migranes, I'm sure CJ shouldn't have been affected by any headache he might have had. There could always be another non-reported injury that we don't know about, but it still doesn't explain CJ in Cleveland and Pitt last year.
Sure they do. Sometimes the symptoms don't even show up for days after the initial hit to the head.
Really? I've had 2 and never had my George Bush moments more than about a day and a half. Why would they risk playing him if his eggs are still scrambled?Still doesn't explain last year though.

 
What is Chad Johnson worth right now?

Could he fetch Warrick Dunn? Is that too little? Too much?

Who would you ask for if you were moving Johnson right now?

 
Not buying that, concussions don't linger like that. Fear does though, so I might give you that, and a result of concussions can be sudden headaches, so that could have happened too, but if Terrell Davis could play with migranes, I'm sure CJ shouldn't have been affected by any headache he might have had. There could always be another non-reported injury that we don't know about, but it still doesn't explain CJ in Cleveland and Pitt last year.
Sure they do. Sometimes the symptoms don't even show up for days after the initial hit to the head.
Really? I've had 2 and never had my George Bush moments more than about a day and a half. Why would they risk playing him if his eggs are still scrambled?Still doesn't explain last year though.
It really depends on the severity of the concussion. Trent Green was just cleared to drive a car this week from his severe concussion, because prior to that, any quick movements would make him dizzy. And that hit was from the opener. Other concussions that are deemed "mild" might not have any noticable effects the next day.If you saw the CJ interview after the game where he got knocked silly, you'd realize that it was pretty serious. Just search youtube for "CJ hit".

 
Chad has had a rough start to the season. He's had his bell rung several times and generally been roughed up. Now, the injury prone Hoosierdaddy is back in the lineup. Another major factor is whether the bengals will continue deactivating Chris Henry until he receives his NFL suspension. What say you guys? Buying or sellling? Is Chadeeus going to be a top 10 or better WR from here on out or be a WR2?

 
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It all depends what you have to give up to get him or what you can get in return for him. I think it's a good idea to sell him for a "lesser named" WR who could easily do better than Chad. Guys like Djax, AJ and maybe Driver etc are guys who i'd be targetting. You may be able to also get the other guy to include something else that helps you also.

 
Touhger to sell him w/ the bye week coming up, but unless you can get solid value I doubt trading him now will end up being the right move. Palmer will rebound and CJ will get his - just maybe not the top 5 #s owners were expecting. Housh is getting open and making plays w/ opportunities he's getting, so it's hard to blame Palmer for spreading it around.

You've got to consider him a benchable WR2 @ this point though w/ a good WR3 matchup till he proves otherwise - definitely not living up to his ADP yet. Personally, I'm kind of glad I can play Jennings/S Smith this week w/ CJ on a bye and not lose sleep over the decision.

That said, there's a lot of WRs who aren't living up to expectations thus far. Plax, Fitz/Boldin, Galloway, TO dinged, M Jones, Wayne (no tds) etc.

Cinci's schedule isn't pretty after the bye:

Oct 15 @Tampa Bay

Oct 22 Carolina

Oct 29 Atlanta

Nov 5 @Baltimore

Nov 12 San Diego

Nov 19 @New Orleans

Nov 26 @Cleveland

Nov 30 Baltimore

Dec 10 Oakland

Dec 18 @Indianapolis

Dec 24 @Denver

Dec 31 Pittsburgh

Only the NO, CLE, OAK and maybe INDY matchups look favorable for big games IMO

 
What is Chad Johnson worth right now?Could he fetch Warrick Dunn? Is that too little? Too much?Who would you ask for if you were moving Johnson right now?
Not to turn this into an Ac thread, but I was offered Chad for Julius Jones in a keep 2 league of 15 owners. As you might expect, available RBs are VERY slim. I am fortunate enough to have LT2, Chester Taylor and Jamal Lewis and I am thin at WR. I am seriously considering pulling the trigger and accepting this trade.
 
What is Chad Johnson worth right now?Could he fetch Warrick Dunn? Is that too little? Too much?Who would you ask for if you were moving Johnson right now?
Not to turn this into an Ac thread, but I was offered Chad for Julius Jones in a keep 2 league of 15 owners. As you might expect, available RBs are VERY slim. I am fortunate enough to have LT2, Chester Taylor and Jamal Lewis and I am thin at WR. I am seriously considering pulling the trigger and accepting this trade.
Based upon your post and the topic of the thread, that helps us gage CJ in what way?? I am thinking about buying a CJ jersey much like you are thinking of trading for him. All in all no one cares. Tell me WHY you are contemplating the trade.
 
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Harry Beanbag said:
What is Chad Johnson worth right now?Could he fetch Warrick Dunn? Is that too little? Too much?Who would you ask for if you were moving Johnson right now?
Not to turn this into an Ac thread, but I was offered Chad for Julius Jones in a keep 2 league of 15 owners. As you might expect, available RBs are VERY slim. I am fortunate enough to have LT2, Chester Taylor and Jamal Lewis and I am thin at WR. I am seriously considering pulling the trigger and accepting this trade.
Based upon your post and the topic of the thread, that helps us gage CJ in what way?? I am thinking about buying a CJ jersey much like you are thinking of trading for him. All in all no one cares. Tell me WHY you are contemplating the trade.
Gee sorry for providing some insight on what "value" Chad Johnson may have in someone's league. Whenever I am contemplating the viability of a player I like to see the trade offers other leagues might get to gauge the value of said player. Feel free to turn down your jackass meter any day now.Because you asked, WHY am I contemplating this trade? First off, Johnson averages about 9 TD's a year. He has one this year. That means if you play the averages, I am due about 8 more with 3/4 of the season to go. Based on a 3-year average, Johnson averages over 1,300 yards a season. Johnson has 201 to date so based on averages, I am still due to get 1,100 more yards out him. And with the Chris Perry suspension coming soon and the Bengals moving away from him, Johnson is now more of a weapon. On the flip side, I would be giving up Julius Jones. I already have three serviceable runners and I have two of their handcuffs (Musa Smith and Michael Turner) to boot. I do not like the RBBC situation in Dallas. I know JJ has recieved more carries lately but his durability is suspect and Tuna could limit his carries later in the season so as to not lose him down the stretch. Also, JJ faces tougher match-ups defensively in the playoff weeks 13-16 facing New Oreleans, @ Atlanta and Philly in what would be my Super Bowl. On the flip side, I like the fact that Chad is facing Oakland in the first game of what would be the playoffs in my league. He also faces Indy in the second round of the playoffs, a team he lit up for 8 rec. 189 yds. and 1 TD last year. The final game will be against Denver, a team he also lit up last time he played them in 2004 to the tune of 7 rec. 149 yds. and also another TD. Now that I have shared my research with you I feel better that I contributed to this thread.
 
I too am trying to gauge what CJ's value is in other leagues. The CJ owner in my league has been shopping him to me all year - I know he is very down on him. I actually think I may be able to get him for Maroney - but I am still debating that. CJ's schedule is not too great.

 
I'm buying. I am buying him so hard that I am trading away Julius Jones to get him. (I also have LT2, Chester Taylor and JLew along with Michael Turner and Musa Smith as handcuffs) Although the rest of the Cincy schedule could be tough sledding, I like what Chad has done in the past to the three teams he will face in weeks 13-16, generally FF playoffs.



Playoff Game 1: Oakland - Do I really need to crunch numbers and throw out stats for this defense? They are by far and away the worst team in the legaue and their defense can't stop a pack of rampaging snails. Advantage Johnson.

Playoff Game 2: Indy - 8 rec. 189 yds. and 1 TD last year. If Cincy is challenging for a playoff spot and Indy has the south wrapped up already with two games to go, expect a big game from Chad.

Advantage Johnson.

Playoff Game 2: Denver - Last time he played them in 2004 he nailed them to the tune of 7 rec. 149 yds. and 1 TD. Sure this game is in Denver but Cincy will still be battling for a playoff spot and Chad should rise ot the occasion.

Advantage Johnson.

So I am going to pull the trigger on my trade and buy him. I can afford to sit on him during his bye week this weekend and should expect big things from here on out.

 
I'm buying. I am buying him so hard that I am trading away Julius Jones to get him. (I also have LT2, Chester Taylor and JLew along with Michael Turner and Musa Smith as handcuffs) Although the rest of the Cincy schedule could be tough sledding, I like what Chad has done in the past to the three teams he will face in weeks 13-16, generally FF playoffs.



Playoff Game 1: Oakland - Do I really need to crunch numbers and throw out stats for this defense? They are by far and away the worst team in the legaue and their defense can't stop a pack of rampaging snails. Advantage Johnson.

Playoff Game 2: Indy - 8 rec. 189 yds. and 1 TD last year. If Cincy is challenging for a playoff spot and Indy has the south wrapped up already with two games to go, expect a big game from Chad.

Advantage Johnson.

Playoff Game 2: Denver - Last time he played them in 2004 he nailed them to the tune of 7 rec. 149 yds. and 1 TD. Sure this game is in Denver but Cincy will still be battling for a playoff spot and Chad should rise ot the occasion.

Advantage Johnson.

So I am going to pull the trigger on my trade and buy him. I can afford to sit on him during his bye week this weekend and should expect big things from here on out.
Just bought. (c.johnson/w.welker - r. bush/r. smith)I think he'll be fine.

 
I can't sell what I don't have and I'm in no hurry to get him.

I think most people are still going to sell him based on his name and what you'd have to pay wouldn't be worth it.

 
I too am trying to gauge what CJ's value is in other leagues. The CJ owner in my league has been shopping him to me all year - I know he is very down on him. I actually think I may be able to get him for Maroney - but I am still debating that. CJ's schedule is not too great.

 
I too am trying to gauge what CJ's value is in other leagues. The CJ owner in my league has been shopping him to me all year - I know he is very down on him. I actually think I may be able to get him for Maroney - but I am still debating that. CJ's schedule is not too great.
I'd hold onto Maroney
 

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