Chad Pennington (1 Viewer)

[amnesiac]

this guy's value is very low right now. (Dynasty and Redraft)

but is now a good time to buy low?

he has some positives: clear starter, an improved line, reports on the shoulder are good so far.

he also has some serious negatives: arm may not hold up, questionable WRs, inexperienced line, etc.

so is he a good buy low canidate?

i'd like to hear some discussion on this guy.

(for the record, i've already traded for him, so this is not a "should i make this trade thread")

 

[Warhogs]

Good question. His value really is almost zero. I guess if you have deep benches why not. My concern would be you are probably grabbing him as a slight chance to be a bye week filler or in case of the injury bug but by the time you reach him on your depth chart he may already be hurt and replaced?

 

[Chaka]

He's in my last tier of starting QBs along with Grossman and Volek.

Bad team and I just don't trust him to last.

If my starter has an early bye (maybe week 3,4,5) then I might move Pennington up my board any later and I'll pass.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Pennington has the easiest schedule in the NFL. That should help him a good bit.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'd take a chance on Pennington if you wanted the potential of a QB3 for some reason (Warner as one of your QBs, perhaps). You really can't get a starter with his talent any lower.

I wouldn't want to have to rely on him at all, though. The guy's a solid hit from only possessing one arm.

 

[amnesiac]

i subscribe to the "take QBs as late as possible" theory, yet interestingly enough, i also always have 3 starting QBs on my rosters as insurance.

you do not want to be hitting the waiver wire for your starting QB, because most of the backup QBs in the NFL are terrible.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I see no reason to go after Pennington in dynasty or redraft unless it is a start 2 QB league, or a league 16+ teams. The Jets passing offense has little upside. They have invested a high pick on Kellen Clemens and will soon want to see what they have in him. Pennington was not a fantasy force before his shoulder injuries - more of an excellent game manager - not the kind of QB you want to invest in. The bottom line is that if you are forced to start Pennington, your fantasy team is hurting.

I will offer some alternatives:

Buy Low (Redraft): Mark Brunell, Byron Leftwich

Buy Low (Dynasty): Matt Schaub, Tarvaris Jackson

 

[Acme CEO]

Aside from Coles, how do the other NYJ WRs look?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I see no reason to go after Pennington in dynasty or redraft unless it is a start 2 QB league, or a league 16+ teams. The Jets passing offense has little upside. They have invested a high pick on Kellen Clemens and will soon want to see what they have in him. Pennington was not a fantasy force before his shoulder injuries - more of an excellent game manager - not the kind of QB you want to invest in. The bottom line is that if you are forced to start Pennington, your fantasy team is hurting. I will offer some alternatives:Buy Low (Redraft): Mark Brunell, Byron LeftwichBuy Low (Dynasty): Matt Schaub, Tarvaris Jackson

I like Leftwich this year, but in all my drafts he has gone higher than I was willing to draft him. I put Brunell and Pennington in a similar boat. I don't want to have to rely on either guy. What Brunell makes up for in weapons, he gives back in a much more brutal schedule.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Aside from Coles, how do the other NYJ WRs look?

Justin McCareins finally did something last week and had a nice long catch. Jerricho Cotchery has been in the other starting slot for most of camp, and looks good, but not explosive, and probably not the downfield threat that McCareins is. Tim Dwight should be a fine possession WR, but nothing more. Brad Smith is still in the early part of the transition to WR from QB, but he showed some very good straight line speed on a long TD run (that also saw D'Brickashaw Ferguson throw a crushing block about 35 yards downfield).Watch out for Brad Smith around 2008 - he's got more upside athletically than any of the top 4 WR.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I see no reason to go after Pennington in dynasty or redraft unless it is a start 2 QB league, or a league 16+ teams. The Jets passing offense has little upside. They have invested a high pick on Kellen Clemens and will soon want to see what they have in him. Pennington was not a fantasy force before his shoulder injuries - more of an excellent game manager - not the kind of QB you want to invest in. The bottom line is that if you are forced to start Pennington, your fantasy team is hurting. I will offer some alternatives:Buy Low (Redraft): Mark Brunell, Byron LeftwichBuy Low (Dynasty): Matt Schaub, Tarvaris Jackson

I like Leftwich this year, but in all my drafts he has gone higher than I was willing to draft him. I put Brunell and Pennington in a similar boat. I don't want to have to rely on either guy. What Brunell makes up for in weapons, he gives back in a much more brutal schedule.

I'm seeing Leftwich going in the QB15 and higher range, which I consider value for a guy that was very good on a per game basis (around top 10) last year.Brunell's schedule is rough, I'll give you that, but he has more weapons than last year. I think he's a value pick after QB20. I like him strictly because of the chance that Al Saunders makes that offense run smoothly.

 

[Z-Dog]

Pennington's problem as an FF player is that the offense aside from him also looks terrible. Hard to see how they get him enough first downs to get him enough attempts to make him a worthwhile FF player.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I see no reason to go after Pennington in dynasty or redraft unless it is a start 2 QB league, or a league 16+ teams. The Jets passing offense has little upside. They have invested a high pick on Kellen Clemens and will soon want to see what they have in him. Pennington was not a fantasy force before his shoulder injuries - more of an excellent game manager - not the kind of QB you want to invest in. The bottom line is that if you are forced to start Pennington, your fantasy team is hurting.

I will offer some alternatives:

Buy Low (Redraft): Mark Brunell, Byron Leftwich

Buy Low (Dynasty): Matt Schaub, Tarvaris Jackson

I like Leftwich this year, but in all my drafts he has gone higher than I was willing to draft him. I put Brunell and Pennington in a similar boat. I don't want to have to rely on either guy. What Brunell makes up for in weapons, he gives back in a much more brutal schedule.

I'm seeing Leftwich going in the QB15 and higher range, which I consider value for a guy that was very good on a per game basis (around top 10) last year.Brunell's schedule is rough, I'll give you that, but he has more weapons than last year. I think he's a value pick after QB20. I like him strictly because of the chance that Al Saunders makes that offense run smoothly.

Guys like Brunell and Pennington just give me that feeling you got in Steve Young's last few seasons. Any moment, this guy could just die on the field. That can't be good.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I see no reason to go after Pennington in dynasty or redraft unless it is a start 2 QB league, or a league 16+ teams. The Jets passing offense has little upside. They have invested a high pick on Kellen Clemens and will soon want to see what they have in him. Pennington was not a fantasy force before his shoulder injuries - more of an excellent game manager - not the kind of QB you want to invest in. The bottom line is that if you are forced to start Pennington, your fantasy team is hurting.

I will offer some alternatives:

Buy Low (Redraft): Mark Brunell, Byron Leftwich

Buy Low (Dynasty): Matt Schaub, Tarvaris Jackson

I like Leftwich this year, but in all my drafts he has gone higher than I was willing to draft him. I put Brunell and Pennington in a similar boat. I don't want to have to rely on either guy. What Brunell makes up for in weapons, he gives back in a much more brutal schedule.

I'm seeing Leftwich going in the QB15 and higher range, which I consider value for a guy that was very good on a per game basis (around top 10) last year.Brunell's schedule is rough, I'll give you that, but he has more weapons than last year. I think he's a value pick after QB20. I like him strictly because of the chance that Al Saunders makes that offense run smoothly.

Guys like Brunell and Pennington just give me that feeling you got in Steve Young's last few seasons. Any moment, this guy could just die on the field. That can't be good.

That's a good point, I wouldn't want to be depending on Brunell for anything, but still, of all the QBs going after pick 20, he seems most likely to me to finish in the top 15, except maybe Leinart (during the stretch that he is in for)

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I see no reason to go after Pennington in dynasty or redraft unless it is a start 2 QB league, or a league 16+ teams. The Jets passing offense has little upside. They have invested a high pick on Kellen Clemens and will soon want to see what they have in him. Pennington was not a fantasy force before his shoulder injuries - more of an excellent game manager - not the kind of QB you want to invest in. The bottom line is that if you are forced to start Pennington, your fantasy team is hurting.

I will offer some alternatives:

Buy Low (Redraft): Mark Brunell, Byron Leftwich

Buy Low (Dynasty): Matt Schaub, Tarvaris Jackson

I like Leftwich this year, but in all my drafts he has gone higher than I was willing to draft him. I put Brunell and Pennington in a similar boat. I don't want to have to rely on either guy. What Brunell makes up for in weapons, he gives back in a much more brutal schedule.

I'm seeing Leftwich going in the QB15 and higher range, which I consider value for a guy that was very good on a per game basis (around top 10) last year.Brunell's schedule is rough, I'll give you that, but he has more weapons than last year. I think he's a value pick after QB20. I like him strictly because of the chance that Al Saunders makes that offense run smoothly.

Guys like Brunell and Pennington just give me that feeling you got in Steve Young's last few seasons. Any moment, this guy could just die on the field. That can't be good.

That's a good point, I wouldn't want to be depending on Brunell for anything, but still, of all the QBs going after pick 20, he seems most likely to me to finish in the top 15, except maybe Leinart (during the stretch that he is in for)

Simms. And antsports ADP shows Leftwich going at 21 (Although I haven't seen that in my drafts). Those would be the 2 guys I'd think about in that regard.

 

[amnesiac]

to be fair, i was really looking at him after 24 QBs are off the board as a QB 3.

he wasn't even drafted in one league i'm in.

 

[valhallan]

I agree that he's not someone you should rely on, but his schedule is so easy that he's worth keeping an eye on. Also, don't forget that his one good season came with Coles, so that familiarity could help him beat the blitzes he'll be seeing.

 

[mhrutkowski]

I'm a Jets fan. I've been to a few practices and I follow the team heavily.

IMO, he's done. He's not young (30), he's had two major arm injuries with a weak arm before 2004, and he has few weapons around him. Little running game, rookies (albeit talented) LT and C, and no true gamebreakers unless Brad Smith grows up fast. Pennington can't make all of the NFL throws, either. Maybe I'm just hard on my team, but I see them among the worst in the league offensively.

CP winning the Jets QB job is like being the most athletic kid in the Special Olympics.

 

[amnesiac]

I'm a Jets fan. I've been to a few practices and I follow the team heavily.IMO, he's done. He's not young (30), he's had two major arm injuries with a weak arm before 2004, and he has few weapons around him. Little running game, rookies (albeit talented) LT and C, and no true gamebreakers unless Brad Smith grows up fast. Pennington can't make all of the NFL throws, either. Maybe I'm just hard on my team, but I see them among the worst in the league offensively. CP winning the Jets QB job is like being the most athletic kid in the Special Olympics.

at least you're not wearing homer glasses.that does seem a bit grim, though.