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Champ Bailey: Brady "Didn't Look Like Himself" (1 Viewer)

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Saw this on Sportsline. Interesting comments from Bailey:

"He didn't look like himself," Broncos CB Champ Bailey said of Brady. "He just wasn't making plays, any big plays. They normally make a lot of big plays that allows them to win but they just didn't do it. ... He was missing throws he usually doesn't miss. I don't know what the reason is for that but what we saw on film (was) pretty much the same thing we saw out there on the field."

 
There was a moment late in the third when Brady dropped back to pass and after going through his first read he just stood in the pocket flat-footed. I'd never seen anything like that out of him, and it was a telling moment to me. It was like he didn't care. My friend and I rewound that play and watched it a few times on Tivo to make sure we saw what we saw.

Something was wrong with Brady on Sunday. Something off the field.

 
I can agree with this sentiment... I've watched every game since 2001 and he has never looked quite this BAD. He had that one drive where he looked like the Brady we're all used to, then he just completely lost it. He seems to be having trouble reading the field and finding the open receiver this season.

 
Saw this on Sportsline. Interesting comments from Bailey: "He didn't look like himself," Broncos CB Champ Bailey said of Brady. "He just wasn't making plays, any big plays. They normally make a lot of big plays that allows them to win but they just didn't do it. ... He was missing throws he usually doesn't miss. I don't know what the reason is for that but what we saw on film (was) pretty much the same thing we saw out there on the field."
oh chimp, you're so overrated. hush. :rolleyes:
 
Maybe the whole Deion Branch thing? I think it has really effected him that he made a public statement that they should sign Branch and then they traded him. Basically like they don't support him as the team leader. It could be something else, though.

 
He had a mediocre game, let's relax. It wasn't even a terrible game, it was a below average game.
It wasn't his performance that bothered me so much as his body language down the stretch. He gave up before the fourth quarter even started. That's a bad sign.
 
There was a moment late in the third when Brady dropped back to pass and after going through his first read he just stood in the pocket flat-footed. I'd never seen anything like that out of him, and it was a telling moment to me. It was like he didn't care. My friend and I rewound that play and watched it a few times on Tivo to make sure we saw what we saw. Something was wrong with Brady on Sunday. Something off the field.
If he doesnt fix it soon, I may be forcced to start Plummer instead.Im hoping that once both Gabriel and C Jackson are in there and a bit more comfy that Brady will come around. He looked to Gabriel quite a bit Sunday (11 targets - as many as Watson), so I think its agood sign that hes getting some confidence in him. Throw Jackson into the mix and suddenly Brady has a few weapons. Brady threw like 55 passes Sunday - they cant keep throwing that much.
 
There was a moment late in the third when Brady dropped back to pass and after going through his first read he just stood in the pocket flat-footed. I'd never seen anything like that out of him, and it was a telling moment to me. It was like he didn't care. My friend and I rewound that play and watched it a few times on Tivo to make sure we saw what we saw. Something was wrong with Brady on Sunday. Something off the field.
If he doesnt fix it soon, I may be forcced to start Plummer instead.Im hoping that once both Gabriel and C Jackson are in there and a bit more comfy that Brady will come around. He looked to Gabriel quite a bit Sunday (11 targets - as many as Watson), so I think its agood sign that hes getting some confidence in him. Throw Jackson into the mix and suddenly Brady has a few weapons. Brady threw like 55 passes Sunday - they cant keep throwing that much.
It was strange, Gabriel didn't even show himself untilt he 3rd quarter. I don't know where the hell he was in the first half.Also, I don't have a link for this, but I heard that Chad Jackson was a HEALTHY scratch from Sunday's game - coach's decision. The speculation around here is that the only reason for that is when a guy simply doesn't know the plays.
 
FWIW, this is Michael Felger's "grade" on Brady (he does Patriots report card after every game in the Herald). He's not a Patriot/Brady apologist (he's actually been getting criticized for being TOO critical as of late), and I find him to be a pretty unbiased and valuable analyst.

QUARTERBACK - B- Brady just wasn’t that bad. Prior to Javon Walker’s game-clinching, 83-yard touchdown catch - at which point it ceased being a “normal” game - Brady had thrown 28 passes. He completed 17 of them (60 percent). Of his 11 misses, I counted a grand total of three that came when he had time to throw and had an open receiver downfield. The other eight incompletions either came when he was getting pressured/hit, when the receiver was tightly covered or when the ball was dropped. Did you know that Brady completed 10 of his first 12 passes, and that his two incompletions in that stretch came on a drop by Dan Graham and a cut-off route by Reche Caldwell? Do you remember that his first bad miss, on an out-pattern to Caldwell late in the second quarter, was followed with the exact same play on the next snap, and that he picked up 13 yards on it? Do you realize the bomb he threw to Troy Brown on a flea-flicker in the third quarter was about as good as you can toss a ball? Did you see the stat sheet and see he was hurried 15 times on the night? Just asking.
 
Also, I don't have a link for this, but I heard that Chad Jackson was a HEALTHY scratch from Sunday's game - coach's decision. The speculation around here is that the only reason for that is when a guy simply doesn't know the plays.
wow... just when i thought i could count on the guy as a possible contributor, this happens. i don't quite know what to think of the guy. he has an auspicious debut, the team is SCREAMING for someone to step up at WR, and he can't stay on the field consistently... :yucky:
 
Truth be told, I would be P-O'd if I were Brady. Your #1 wideout is Troy Brown. It seems like Kraft wants to show the world how cheap/lousy of a team he can field and still go to the playoffs. Team unity is fine-and-dandy, but you also need to surround your main baller with some talent.

 
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Truth be told, I would be P-O'd if I were Brady. You're #1 wideout is Troy Brown. It seems like Kraft wants to show the world how cheap/lousy of a team he can field and still go to the playoffs. Team unity is fine-and-dandy, but you also need to surround your main baller with some talent.
Kraft has absolutely nothing to do with personel decisions. He was actually visibly pissed off when they let McGuinest go because he was the first draft pick of the Kraft Era.
 
Interesting. Makes you wonder how much you should factor perceived hunger in when trying to rank players...his past failures certainly make Peyton Manning more attractive.

 
Something was wrong with Brady on Sunday. Something off the field.
Bingo. Here's my theory:Brady used to run around and get all kinds of strange....but he got hitched recently and now the bloom is off the rose. Before he would lead the team to a comeback and go to a bar after the game and get whatever piece of tail he wanted. Now, win or lose, he's still going home to the same old broad, so it doesn't really matter how the game turns out.

 
Something was wrong with Brady on Sunday. Something off the field.
Bingo. Here's my theory:Brady used to run around and get all kinds of strange....but he got hitched recently and now the bloom is off the rose. Before he would lead the team to a comeback and go to a bar after the game and get whatever piece of tail he wanted. Now, win or lose, he's still going home to the same old broad, so it doesn't really matter how the game turns out.
interesting...I'm sure she was hot at first, but you know how it goes,

not matter how hot she is there's some guy out there

who's sick of her ####.

Brady needs to break off a piece of strange.

 
Something was wrong with Brady on Sunday. Something off the field.
Bingo. Here's my theory:Brady used to run around and get all kinds of strange....but he got hitched recently and now the bloom is off the rose. Before he would lead the team to a comeback and go to a bar after the game and get whatever piece of tail he wanted. Now, win or lose, he's still going home to the same old broad, so it doesn't really matter how the game turns out.
interesting...I'm sure she was hot at first, but you know how it goes,

not matter how hot she is there's some guy out there

who's sick of her ####.

Brady needs to break off a piece of strange.
If I recall correctly, Tiger Woods' slump coincided roughly with his marriage too. Hmmm ...

 
Something was wrong with Brady on Sunday. Something off the field.
Bingo. Here's my theory:Brady used to run around and get all kinds of strange....but he got hitched recently and now the bloom is off the rose. Before he would lead the team to a comeback and go to a bar after the game and get whatever piece of tail he wanted. Now, win or lose, he's still going home to the same old broad, so it doesn't really matter how the game turns out.
Yeah, I'm sure that's it.
 
Something was wrong with Brady on Sunday. Something off the field.
Bingo. Here's my theory:Brady used to run around and get all kinds of strange....but he got hitched recently and now the bloom is off the rose. Before he would lead the team to a comeback and go to a bar after the game and get whatever piece of tail he wanted. Now, win or lose, he's still going home to the same old broad, so it doesn't really matter how the game turns out.
interesting...I'm sure she was hot at first, but you know how it goes,

not matter how hot she is there's some guy out there

who's sick of her ####.

Brady needs to break off a piece of strange.
If I recall correctly, Tiger Woods' slump coincided roughly with his marriage too. Hmmm ...
FBG needs to account for this in their annual projections. Just like the risk of injury, the risk of stale tang should drop a player a tier or two.
 
Also, I don't have a link for this, but I heard that Chad Jackson was a HEALTHY scratch from Sunday's game - coach's decision. The speculation around here is that the only reason for that is when a guy simply doesn't know the plays.
wow... just when i thought i could count on the guy as a possible contributor, this happens. i don't quite know what to think of the guy.
Perhaps you shouldn't take to heart every bit of speculation thrown around the board.
 
Also, I don't have a link for this, but I heard that Chad Jackson was a HEALTHY scratch from Sunday's game - coach's decision. The speculation around here is that the only reason for that is when a guy simply doesn't know the plays.
wow... just when i thought i could count on the guy as a possible contributor, this happens. i don't quite know what to think of the guy.
Perhaps you shouldn't take to heart every bit of speculation thrown around the board.
when you're dealing with kgb belichick, all you have to go on is speculation.
 
Saw this on Sportsline. Interesting comments from Bailey:

"He didn't look like himself," Broncos CB Champ Bailey said of Brady. "He just wasn't making plays, any big plays. They normally make a lot of big plays that allows them to win but they just didn't do it. ... He was missing throws he usually doesn't miss. I don't know what the reason is for that but what we saw on film (was) pretty much the same thing we saw out there on the field."
oh chimp, you're so overrated. hush. :rolleyes:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=5597710
 
To me, it just looked like he was getting pissed that he was hitting guys in the hands and they were dropping them. By the 4th quarter, there were some guys that looked absolutely worn out and weren't running complete routes or at full speed.

 
Saw this on Sportsline. Interesting comments from Bailey:

"He didn't look like himself," Broncos CB Champ Bailey said of Brady. "He just wasn't making plays, any big plays. They normally make a lot of big plays that allows them to win but they just didn't do it. ... He was missing throws he usually doesn't miss. I don't know what the reason is for that but what we saw on film (was) pretty much the same thing we saw out there on the field."
oh chimp, you're so overrated. hush. :rolleyes:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=5597710
:homer: :homer: :homer: :homer: :homer: :homer: :homer:
 
Saw this on Sportsline. Interesting comments from Bailey:

"He didn't look like himself," Broncos CB Champ Bailey said of Brady. "He just wasn't making plays, any big plays. They normally make a lot of big plays that allows them to win but they just didn't do it. ... He was missing throws he usually doesn't miss. I don't know what the reason is for that but what we saw on film (was) pretty much the same thing we saw out there on the field."
oh chimp, you're so overrated. hush. :rolleyes:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=5597710
:homer: :homer: :homer: :homer: :homer: :homer: :homer:
Not really.Bill Bellichick is a pretty smart coach, wouldn't you say? And Tom Brady is a pretty darn good QB, right? And Scott Linehan is another reasonably bright dude with a proclivity for throwing to his #1 WR, isn't he? And Torry Holt is a pretty darn fine WR, agreed? So explain to me, if Champ Bailey is so overrated, why St. Louis and New England threw in his direction a whopping 4 times. Combined. I mean, if Champ Bailey is so overrated, I have a very hard time understanding why these geniuses and phenominal players aren't even bothering to look his way.

And here I thought that if a team was facing a wildly overrated CB, they might... you know... try throwing at him when he is in single coverage on the best offensive player on your entire team. Especially if the head coach has shown more tendencies to lock onto his #1 WR than pretty much any coach in the history of the NFL.

 
He's playing like an average QB right now. Even Madden basically said that on Sunday - and Madden is a huge Brady fan. I assume he'll snap out of it and become Brady again soon enough.

 
FBG needs to account for this in their annual projections. Just like the risk of injury, the risk of stale tang should drop a player a tier or two.
Dang, if stale tang has anything to do with it.............Aw chiot, my fantasy team is in trouble now (and I don't have Brady). :cry:
 
Saw this on Sportsline. Interesting comments from Bailey:

"He didn't look like himself," Broncos CB Champ Bailey said of Brady. "He just wasn't making plays, any big plays. They normally make a lot of big plays that allows them to win but they just didn't do it. ... He was missing throws he usually doesn't miss. I don't know what the reason is for that but what we saw on film (was) pretty much the same thing we saw out there on the field."
oh chimp, you're so overrated. hush. :rolleyes:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=5597710
:homer: :homer: :homer: :homer: :homer: :homer: :homer:
Not really.Bill Bellichick is a pretty smart coach, wouldn't you say? And Tom Brady is a pretty darn good QB, right? And Scott Linehan is another reasonably bright dude with a proclivity for throwing to his #1 WR, isn't he? And Torry Holt is a pretty darn fine WR, agreed? So explain to me, if Champ Bailey is so overrated, why St. Louis and New England threw in his direction a whopping 4 times. Combined. I mean, if Champ Bailey is so overrated, I have a very hard time understanding why these geniuses and phenominal players aren't even bothering to look his way.

And here I thought that if a team was facing a wildly overrated CB, they might... you know... try throwing at him when he is in single coverage on the best offensive player on your entire team. Especially if the head coach has shown more tendencies to lock onto his #1 WR than pretty much any coach in the history of the NFL.
Champ has been very good at taking away other teams go to guys. I think Champ can sometimes be underated in my books.
 
To me, it just looked like he was getting pissed that he was hitting guys in the hands and they were dropping them. By the 4th quarter, there were some guys that looked absolutely worn out and weren't running complete routes or at full speed.
:goodposting: Dude's frustrated. With the exception of Troy Brown, there isn't a wideout there with any kind of real on-field rapport with Brady. Yet. Guys run what they think are the routes, Brady throws the ball to where he thinks the routes should be run, not quite connecting. I'd give them a couple more weeks and things should improve.
 
There was a moment late in the third when Brady dropped back to pass and after going through his first read he just stood in the pocket flat-footed. I'd never seen anything like that out of him, and it was a telling moment to me. It was like he didn't care. My friend and I rewound that play and watched it a few times on Tivo to make sure we saw what we saw. Something was wrong with Brady on Sunday. Something off the field.
It's funny, I saw that play and came to the opposite conclusion. Brady took the snap, and his internal pass-rush clock clearly ticked down, and he looked like he was just going ot tuck and run when he suddenly realized that actually, there wasn't a man within 15 yards of him. Rather than getting happy feet he simply stood still, scanned the field, and looked to make good throw. I was extremely impressed with his smarts, discipline, and mechanics. I can see how it might have looked like he didn't care, but I think it was more that he didn't need to bop around or take any little hops or steps b/c of the absolute lack of pressure.I think most of Brady's problems are coming from the bad WRs. It's not just that they're not getting open, it's that the offense as a whole is a lot less threatning. Brady's getting lots more pressure b/c nobody's afraid to cover man-to-man against these guys.
 
Very easy to understand .

He has no one to throw to . There is not a single NFL caliber WR on the Patriots team.

Chad Jackson will probably become a decent one but he is nt NFL ready and the rest of their WR squad is just worthless.

 
I just read a rumor, no links, on a Jets message board that Testaverde worked out for the Pats yesterday!?!? If true.... very wierd.

 
I just read a rumor, no links, on a Jets message board that Testaverde worked out for the Pats yesterday!?!? If true.... very wierd.
Not a rumor. They have 2 QB's, and if they can find a 3rd, that fits their plans, they'll sign one. They also tried out Maddox last week. If Brady, or even Cassell goes down, for any reason, even the flu or something, they have one QB. They'll sign a veteran.
He has no one to throw to . There is not a single NFL caliber WR on the Patriots team.Chad Jackson will probably become a decent one but he is nt NFL ready and the rest of their WR squad is just worthless.
I disagree. I like what Gabriel brings to the table. I thought he made a few nice grabs, and his speed is a great asset. His route running needs work, but anobody who says he's not NFL caliber hasn't watched much NFL football. Same with Caldwell. Sure, he's not a #1, but he's NFL caliber. Troy Brown? He's an ageless wonder. Jackson missed all of camp. All of it. So, he's obviously still learning. He's been in Pats camp as long as Branch has been in Seattle. Both are performing at the same level. Branch was a healthy scratch last week, the rumor is Jackson was this week. Brady is in a funk, no doubt. He hasn't played pathetically, but the frustration is building. He's a gamer. The line hasn't pulled it together at all. They've regressed from last year. Matt Light has given up at least 4 sacks that I can think of, in 3 games. That can't happen. You can't be worrying about your back side. The mark of the Pats has been steady improvement. Watch for it.
 
Saw this on Sportsline. Interesting comments from Bailey: "He didn't look like himself," Broncos CB Champ Bailey said of Brady. "He just wasn't making plays, any big plays. They normally make a lot of big plays that allows them to win but they just didn't do it. ... He was missing throws he usually doesn't miss. I don't know what the reason is for that but what we saw on film (was) pretty much the same thing we saw out there on the field."
oh chimp, you're so overrated. hush. :rolleyes:
:confused: Is this a racial comment?
 
Saw this on Sportsline. Interesting comments from Bailey:

"He didn't look like himself," Broncos CB Champ Bailey said of Brady. "He just wasn't making plays, any big plays. They normally make a lot of big plays that allows them to win but they just didn't do it. ... He was missing throws he usually doesn't miss. I don't know what the reason is for that but what we saw on film (was) pretty much the same thing we saw out there on the field."
oh chimp, you're so overrated. hush. :rolleyes:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=5597710
:homer: :homer: :homer: :homer: :homer: :homer: :homer:
Not really.Bill Bellichick is a pretty smart coach, wouldn't you say? And Tom Brady is a pretty darn good QB, right? And Scott Linehan is another reasonably bright dude with a proclivity for throwing to his #1 WR, isn't he? And Torry Holt is a pretty darn fine WR, agreed? So explain to me, if Champ Bailey is so overrated, why St. Louis and New England threw in his direction a whopping 4 times. Combined. I mean, if Champ Bailey is so overrated, I have a very hard time understanding why these geniuses and phenominal players aren't even bothering to look his way.

And here I thought that if a team was facing a wildly overrated CB, they might... you know... try throwing at him when he is in single coverage on the best offensive player on your entire team. Especially if the head coach has shown more tendencies to lock onto his #1 WR than pretty much any coach in the history of the NFL.
While Champ Bailey is probably the best CB in the NFL right now, saying that he's a legit MVP candidate is a HUGE stretch. While he does effectively shut off half the field in the passing game, that's not really as key to Denver's defensive success as is their ability to choke off the run. Last week is the perfect example -- When the Broncos took away Maroney's running game, they forced the Pats to become one-dimensional. Even if they didn't have Champ, a two-deep zone was enough to kill the Patriots offense.
 
Saw this on Sportsline. Interesting comments from Bailey: "He didn't look like himself," Broncos CB Champ Bailey said of Brady. "He just wasn't making plays, any big plays. They normally make a lot of big plays that allows them to win but they just didn't do it. ... He was missing throws he usually doesn't miss. I don't know what the reason is for that but what we saw on film (was) pretty much the same thing we saw out there on the field."
oh chimp, you're so overrated. hush. :rolleyes:
:confused: Is this a racial comment?
:wall:
 
I think the loss of Branch will affect Brady a LOT this year. He and Branch worked well together, so he's losing his top target. But the psychological damage is there. He's forcing passes, and getting frustrated quickly, something we aren't used to seeing. NE has an incredible track record the last 5 or so years, but if they want to stay competitive, they need to get him some weapons. The current collection isn't going to cut it, methinks.

The ol' "As long as Belicheck and Brady are there, they will win..." will only work for so long.

 
Let me offer this to the forum. Shanahan said a few weeks ago that Denver was going to go away from their aggressive blitzing scheme to cut down on their large amount of big passing plays given up from last year. They did so in week one and the result was larger RB numbers, but smaller WR numbers and no TD’s. They did the same in week two and they had the same result. They did pretty much the same against the Pats and it frustrated Brady along with the lack of WR talent. I think that the Pats Offense just wasn’t prepared for the change in Denver’s Def Strategy.

Maybe the Denver D is a lot better than people think. My opinion is that by week 9 the rest of the league will get enough film on the Denver D and adjust. But until that time they will be pretty unpredictable.

Don’t discount the loss of Dillon. That may have had a much larger effect than anybody knows.

 
Mmmmm...TANG! I love's me some TANG. I wanted to be an astronaut just so I could get tons of TANG while in space!

 
Workhorse said:
While Champ Bailey is probably the best CB in the NFL right now, saying that he's a legit MVP candidate is a HUGE stretch. While he does effectively shut off half the field in the passing game, that's not really as key to Denver's defensive success as is their ability to choke off the run. Last week is the perfect example -- When the Broncos took away Maroney's running game, they forced the Pats to become one-dimensional. Even if they didn't have Champ, a two-deep zone was enough to kill the Patriots offense.
I agree that the Broncos ability to shut down the run was the key. Why did the Broncos stop the run, though? Because they kept eight in the box the entire game. How did they manage to keep 8 in the box the entire game without getting burned? Because Champ Bailey shut down his side of the field without any help, freeing up a safety (that would normally be helping out in coverage) to come down and play run. If they didn't have Champ, and if they were playing in a two-deep zone, like you suggest, then they wouldn't have shut down the running game so well.You're also forgetting that one of the keys to shutting down the running game out of a zone defense is to have CBs who can tackle, and there isn't a CB in the league who tackles better than Champ Bailey.It's sort of like when Jason Taylor and O-Gun were on the same line in Miami. O-Gun had more sacks, but Taylor was far more important to the defense. The reason O-Gun had more sacks is because the other team was forced to double-team Taylor, which left O-Gun one-on-one, where he feasted.Look at it this way- what are the 6 highest paid positions in the NFL? QB, WR, LT, DE, DT, and CB (not in that order). Outside of the QB, every single one of those positions provide massive matchup advantages. Elite DEs, DTs, and WRs require two players to neutralize, creating matchup advantages all over the rest of the field. Elite LTs and CBs are able to negate someone who normally needs two players to negate, freeing up an extra player on your team to do something else and therefore creating matchup advantages elsewhere on the field. And yet, while QBs, WRs, DEs, and DTs get tons of love, LTs and CBs never get *any* love coming their way. They never get *any* MVP consideration.The top 10 CBs make more money than the top 10 QBs. The GMs, guys who know a lot more about football than we do, have effectively made it 100% clear that they consider elite CBs more important to their team's success than they consider elite QBs to be. Why is it a "huge" stretch to say that the best player at the most valuable position is a legit MVP candidate when he's in the midst of the best season anyone at his position has had in years, decades, or possibly even ever (once you consider how the rules are stacked against him)? I seriously doubt he can sustain this pace, but if he does manage to, then he has to be a legit MVP candidate. I mean, Tom Brady threw FIFTY FIVE TIMES, and only three were in Bailey's general direction. That's beyond "caution" and well into the realm of outright FEAR.
 
Octagon said:
Saw this on Sportsline. Interesting comments from Bailey: "He didn't look like himself," Broncos CB Champ Bailey said of Brady. "He just wasn't making plays, any big plays. They normally make a lot of big plays that allows them to win but they just didn't do it. ... He was missing throws he usually doesn't miss. I don't know what the reason is for that but what we saw on film (was) pretty much the same thing we saw out there on the field."
oh chimp, you're so overrated. hush. :rolleyes:
:confused: Is this a racial comment?
:rolleyes: :11:
 
I'm sure this has been answered somewhere, but what is the deal with Brady being on the injury report for 30 games or whatever it is? Is that because of a real injury or is Brady going for the most obscure NFL record ever? If he has to throw 50 times a game he might end of up on it legitimately.

 

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