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*** Chargers @ Raiders game thread *** (1 Viewer)

It is what it is said:
The Oakland defense actually looked pretty good.
:eek: The ONLY reason LT2 and Phillip had such minimal numbers was b/c the Chargers went vanilla with the offense the entire 2nd half. In a tighter game, LT2 gets most of the carries that went to Turner and Neal, and Phillip goes for over 200 yards easily.I thought the Raider defense looked like garbage. They gave up 27 pts. to the most conservatively called offensive game I've ever seen. And it's not like the Bolts had short fields - the Raiders only turned the ball over once.
 
It is what it is said:
I'm pretty sure Philip Rivers has the highest QB rating in the NFL so far this season, coming in at 133.9.
If my math is correct, 11 pass attempts is not enough to qualify Rivers in the QB rating. Rivers would have needed 14 pass attempts tonight (224 per season minimum).
One pass attempt is the minimum, not 14. QB rating formula. (You are thinking of the season-long minimum, but there's no minimum for individual games.)
 
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It is what it is said:
It is what it is said:
I'm pretty sure Philip Rivers has the highest QB rating in the NFL so far this season, coming in at 133.9.
If my math is correct, 11 pass attempts is not enough to qualify Rivers in the QB rating. Rivers would have needed 14 pass attempts tonight (224 per season minimum).
One pass attempt is the minimum, not 14. QB rating formula. (You are thinking of the season-long minimum, but there's no minimum for individual games.)
Right and 224 pass attempts per season (16 games) would break down to 14 pass attempts per game (Rivers had 11). Otherwise say if Kelly Holcomb went and threw just one pass for a touchdown in fifteen games, then he would be the QB rating leader all year long according to what you are saying. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=tmq/020813
That is not what MT is saying. Whether or not Rivers qualifies for the "QB rating leader" does not have any bearing on the fact that Rivers currently has the highest QB rating in the NFL thus far, which was MT's original point.
 
What a ####### joke of a franchise. I mean, how ####ed up do you have to be with a team this ####ty and still showing up to games in Darth Raider gear?
Win a playoff game post 1996. It does wonders for the fanbase.
Hey, at least we're actually TRYING. Win a Super Bowl post 1984. It does wonders for the "Commitment to Excellence."
Better yet, win a divisional game in the last three years. The Raiders are about 2- 15 in that time span against the rest of the AFC West.
 
What a thread! If you didn't read this thread yet and you have some time to kill, I highly recommend reading this thread. The all-star cast of comedic genius was alive and well last night. I'm still laughing after reading some of these posts. At least 8 posts had me laughing out loud all by myself. Quality stuff! :lmao: :thumbup:

 
What a thread! If you didn't read this thread yet and you have some time to kill, I highly recommend reading this thread. The all-star cast of comedic genius was alive and well last night. I'm still laughing after reading some of these posts. At least 8 posts had me laughing out loud all by myself. Quality stuff! :lmao: :thumbup:
seriously :goodposting:this thread kept me up about 2 hours too late last nite.
 
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I went to the game last night so I missed this thread. Classic thread and the things you guys were posting is what myself and the folks around me were screaming all night. I was the only Charger fan in my section (along with my Raider fan buddies who kept me alive) and I was screaming the whole 3rd quarter for Marty to call a passing play. The game was pretty much a joke in the 2nd half but I have to hand it to the Raider fans around me, they kept the one liners coming all night and they tore everyone on the Raiders organization a new one the whole 2nd half.

The whole game was one big :lmao: moment.

Great thread guys, you made 23 pages worth it!

 
sterjs said:
Raging Alpaca said:
I ask this in all seriousness.Is Oakland's performance tonight the worst offensive display of all time?
Nope. The 1979 Seahawks lost 24-0 to the LA Rams in week 10. They finished with -7 yards and gained only one first down!
It is worth noting that that Seahawks team wound up #4 in the NFL in scoring and #7 in yardage for the year, despite racking up negative yardage in one game. Steve Largent finished as the #1 WR that year (the only time he accomplished that feat).So, there is the meaning of, "it's only one game."
 
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GB the Charger defense and Marty S for having the smarts to go for it and actually give it to LT on the 1. Amen.

 
Raiii-derrrs! Raiii-derrrs! Just a reminder that you can help make the First Drive Experiment a success on Monday night. To recap, the goal is to chant the familiar “Raiii-derrrs” war cry during San Diego's first offensive drive in order to freak out Philip Rivers and the Chargers; to pump up our team; and to serve notice to a national television audience that the Raider Nation is still loud and proud.This idea has been met with considerable enthusiasm on several Raiders sites and forums. I have also received several emails about it (thanks to Chris P. for today’s email). As stated before, I think there are three keys to making it happen:1. Keep the concept simple by focusing on the first drive. The chant might emerge at other points in the game, but the initial concept needs to be clear and simple in order to get the word out.2. Spread the word. You can click on the email icon below to quickly send this take to all of your Raider Nation friends. I encourage other Raiders forums and outlets to also run with this idea and help spread the word. It won’t happen unless we can get reach a critical mass of fans.3. Get the Oakland Raiders organization involved. How can we get the team to flash “Raiii-derrs” on the scoreboard during the Chargers’ first offensive drive? That would really help get the crowd into it. If anyone has the right connections, please speak up.Wouldn’t it be cool if we could pull it off? Personally, I would freak out. Imagine 60,000 fans chanting “Raiii-derrrs” in unison to kick off the season.From the RAIDER TAKE fan site
So whatever happened to this? I was listening intently at home for the deafening roar of the Raider Nation to severely intimidate Rivers. Maybe ESPN had the external microphones turned off?
 
bump...I went to the game last night so I missed this thread. Classic thread and the things you guys were posting is what myself and the folks around me were screaming all night. I was the only Charger fan in my section (along with my Raider fan buddies who kept me alive) and I was screaming the whole 3rd quarter for Marty to call a passing play. The game was pretty much a joke in the 2nd half but I have to hand it to the Raider fans around me, they kept the one liners coming all night and they tore everyone on the Raiders organization a new one the whole 2nd half. The whole game was one big :lmao: moment.Great thread guys, you made 23 pages worth it!
Same here. I called Marty every name in the book during that ad nauseum third quarter run-run-pass-punt debacle. The Raiders fans around me were astonished since it was clear Oakland was stacking everyone on the line. Nobody was going to get through that.
 
Raiii-derrrs! Raiii-derrrs! Just a reminder that you can help make the First Drive Experiment a success on Monday night. To recap, the goal is to chant the familiar “Raiii-derrrs” war cry during San Diego's first offensive drive in order to freak out Philip Rivers and the Chargers; to pump up our team; and to serve notice to a national television audience that the Raider Nation is still loud and proud.This idea has been met with considerable enthusiasm on several Raiders sites and forums. I have also received several emails about it (thanks to Chris P. for today’s email). As stated before, I think there are three keys to making it happen:1. Keep the concept simple by focusing on the first drive. The chant might emerge at other points in the game, but the initial concept needs to be clear and simple in order to get the word out.2. Spread the word. You can click on the email icon below to quickly send this take to all of your Raider Nation friends. I encourage other Raiders forums and outlets to also run with this idea and help spread the word. It won’t happen unless we can get reach a critical mass of fans.3. Get the Oakland Raiders organization involved. How can we get the team to flash “Raiii-derrs” on the scoreboard during the Chargers’ first offensive drive? That would really help get the crowd into it. If anyone has the right connections, please speak up.Wouldn’t it be cool if we could pull it off? Personally, I would freak out. Imagine 60,000 fans chanting “Raiii-derrrs” in unison to kick off the season.From the RAIDER TAKE fan site
So whatever happened to this? I was listening intently at home for the deafening roar of the Raider Nation to severely intimidate Rivers. Maybe ESPN had the external microphones turned off?
Never happened.
 
tommyGunZ said:
I thought the Raider defense looked like garbage. They gave up 27 pts. to the most conservatively called offensive game I've ever seen. And it's not like the Bolts had short fields - the Raiders only turned the ball over once.
It was a lackluster performance overall. I was impressed with Thomas Howard though - after the 1st quarter it seemed like he (and Lechler) were the only Raiders who looked like they were actually trying.
 
Had to go to bed around page 15 or so. Very well done game thread. Had much more fun in here then watching the actual game.
I cut off three cyber partners just to keep up with this thread. I was faking it just to run back here.
 
My thoughts on the Chargers.

Defense

Merriman is a very complete player as a pass rusher. He can overpower people and bull rush through them. He can use his speed to get outside and turn the corner. And he can change direction, making a hard outside move and then coming back inside. And he can put it all together combined with great football instincts. Most importantly, he has a real burst to the QB as he is closing in -- similar to LT1 in that respect.

Luis Castillo and Shaun Phillips also played a great game. Castillo has a great combination of quickness and power. He just barely missed a lot of sacks last year and should start getting more of them this season.

Olshansky was injured and replaced by Cesaire, who also looked solid.

The front seven played so well that the secondary was hard to evaluate. Not much action got that far. Jammer was playing pretty deep off of Moss and unfortunately missed a few tackles. He got some nice hits in as well, as did McCree. McCree and Kiel were both around the ball a lot.

Offense

It's hard to evaluate McCardell and Parker since they got so few looks.

LT and Turner both looked good, and I'm glad Turner got some reps in relief.

The OL didn't have to pass-block a lot, but when they did they looked mediocre for the most part. The Raiders got a rush up the middle on the long completion to Parker, and Mike Goff ended up on the ground a few times.

I thought Marcus McNeill was actually the most impressive player on the Chargers' OL. He didn't miss a block, and completely engulfed the defender a few times. The rest of the OL was inconsitent. Dielman played a pretty good game. Hardwick got o\/\/ned by DT Terrell Sands in the third quarter. Goff lost his balance too often. Olivea looked pretty good.

Manumaleuna had a great game as a blocker. Lorenzo Neal had some great blocks and a few whiffs. Gates was also solid in his blocking.

Rivers did everything that was asked of him. He attempted three long passes, and they were all right on the money for completions. The deep out to McCardell showed great arm strength, timing, and accuracy. The deep pass to Parker showed great touch, timing, and accuracy. The corner route to Gates was nice as well. He threw only three imcompletions. One was intentionally thrown into the dirt when Tomlinson was tackled before the screen to him could be thrown. One was dropped by Parker. One was incomplete to LT. It was high and behind him, and seemed to come out of Rivers' hand before LT was ready for it. If it had been complete, LT had a lot of open daylight in front of him.

It looked like the Chargers were working hard to set up future plays. They started with an empty backfield a number of times and then motioned back into a two-back formation. I think you will see them start the same way and then go from an empty backfield on a quick count in the future. Rivers used an empty backfield a lot at NC State.

I also expect to see a lot more playaction in the future, working off the high run-pass ratio from this game.

The playcalling was ultra-conservative in the third quarter. It was frustrating for fantasy owners and boring for fans, but it made sense from the standpoint of securing the win. The Raiders' offense could not get a first down, so there was no reason start throwing the ball. Eating up the clock without taking risks was the name of the game. It let Rivers manage the game (similar to Roethlisberger in his first year).

 
McNeill did much, much better than I thought he'd do.
Remember you were impressed with his pass protection above his run blocking? Well, there's certainly no worries about his run blocking. I thought he tired late in the game, but in the first half he was dominant. Yet another collegian who looks the same in the NFL as he did in college.eta Groovus, I meant to reply to MT. Same thing tho...
 
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That swing pass to LT that went incomplete in the 3rd qtr. killed me because LT was going 40+ yards or all the way for a TD if he caught that ball. Shick!'s man love for LT would have reached epidemic proportions.

 
That swing pass to LT that went incomplete in the 3rd qtr. killed me because LT was going 40+ yards or all the way for a TD if he caught that ball. Shick!'s man love for LT would have reached epidemic proportions.
You think that's bad; I lost by 0.5 points in a 0.5 ppr league.
 
That swing pass to LT that went incomplete in the 3rd qtr. killed me because LT was going 40+ yards or all the way for a TD if he caught that ball. Shick!'s man love for LT would have reached epidemic proportions.
You think that's bad; I lost by 0.5 points in a 0.5 ppr league.
Ouch.I still managed to win my game but only by a little, my opponent had Gates so I sweated the whole game.
 
That swing pass to LT that went incomplete in the 3rd qtr. killed me because LT was going 40+ yards or all the way for a TD if he caught that ball. Shick!'s man love for LT would have reached epidemic proportions.
You think that's bad; I lost by 0.5 points in a 0.5 ppr league.
... i'm still pissed off http://www24.myfantasyleague.com/2006/live...HISES=0005_0009

I'm "Imagined Glory" ...

Lost by 0.48 points ... it's 0.5 ppr for RBs

I'd like to thank Chris Henry for getting negative yardage on his 1 reception. 1 reception for 0 yards would have even done it ... Heck, if Minnesota had taken the darned XP after their first TD last night ...

 
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McNeill did much, much better than I thought he'd do.
Remember you were impressed with his pass protection above his run blocking? Well, there's certainly no worries about his run blocking. I thought he tired late in the game, but in the first half he was dominant. Yet another collegian who looks the same in the NFL as he did in college.eta Groovus, I meant to reply to MT. Same thing tho...
I do remember, he looked like a completely different player last night than he did two weeks ago. Probably the cast he was wearing then had a lot to do with it, I'd imagine it's tough to play LT with that kind of impediment.
 
Have the Oakland Raiders set themselves up to fail by putting too much faith in an offensive line that is not up to the task?

That's the way it looked in a 27-0 loss to the San Diego Chargers to open the season on Monday Night Football.

Oakland's plan since training camp was to get back to basics. A revamped offensive line would provide the push for a power running game and wall off pass rushers for vertical, play-action passing from quarterback Aaron Brooks.

The Chargers laid waste to that plan of attack, choking off the run and then chasing Brooks to the bench in favor of Andrew Walter because coach Art Shell thought his quarterback had taken enough of a beating for one night.

Running back LaMont Jordan had just 20 yards on 10 carries and had a long gain of 4 yards. Oakland's 87-yard rushing total was deceiving because Justin Fargas gained 35 yards late in the game when the Chargers were safely in charge.

Brooks and Andrew Walter were sacked nine times, with Shawne Merriman getting three of them and using left tackle Robert Gallery as a swinging gate to the quarterback.

The day after the defeat, Shell was still at a loss to explain how his line allowed itself to be dominated.

"We didn't meet the challenge that was there," Shell said. "We didn't understand for whatever reason it's not just a game. It's bigger than that. You have to come out prepared for the speed, the tempo. It's much higher than it is during pre-season and practice. And our guys didn't understand that, for whatever reason. And we talked bout it, preached it to them all week long."

The Raiders had little in the way of explanation except the obvious.

"We got our asses kicked," left guard Barry Sims said. "In the second half, I don't know if we even gained any yards."

Only a late flurry of yardage got the Raiders to 129 yards of total offense _ their lowest output in the last three seasons in which they have compiled a 13-36 record.

Shell declined to single out a particular culprit along the line, although Gallery was the most conspicuous figure. He had a false start early in the game and never could get a handle on Merriman, who admittedly is one of the NFL's best pass rushers.

"All we can do is work on our mistakes and go from here," Gallery said. "We knew they were fast. It was just little things here and there. Little technique things, little scheme things. I'm sure we're going to be the worst line in the world tomorrow."

Oakland's problem was not all the work of the offensive line. It's insistence on a passing attack featuring five- and seven-step drops essentially put Chargers pass rushers in starting blocks. There was little in the way of short and intermediate passing routes or screen passes to take off some of the pressure.

A surprise start by center Jake Grove, out since Aug. 22 with a shoulder injury and who was listed as doubtful all week, did little to stem the tide.

"I thought we were ready to play. It kind of got away from us," Grove said. "We've got 15 more of these."

NOTES, QUOTES

—Jerry Porter, the Raiders leading receiver last season with 76 receptions, was inactive. Porter has been exiled on the depth chart since arguing with Shell over his off-season training regimen and then demanding a trade.

"I went with the guys I wanted to play with," Shell said. "I went with the guys I thought we could win with. Jerry Porter might be active at some point in time, but tonight I went in different direction."

Porter spent the sideline talking with teammates, and at one point was seen laughing after a Chargers sack in the third quarter.

Shell said he was unaware of any inappropriate behavior by Porter on the sideline, saying he would be disturbed if it were true.

Wide receiver Randy Moss, who said in a Fox Sports radio interview last week that things were "fishy" and that people were "walking on egg shells" with the Raiders, repeated some of those comments in an ESPN interview.

Some of his criticism regarding the organization had to do with Shell's supposedly tight reign.

"Coach Shell just has a tight grasp on us," Moss told ESPN. "We're walking on eggshells. It's funny, but at the same time, as a grown man, it messes with your manhood a ltitle bit. Knowing that you're a man, you're a certain age and this man is treating you like kids or a boy or whatnot." :popcorn:

Moss declined comment to the local media afterward.

Shell said he spoke with Moss and that he was fine with the interview, noting that the entire interview was positive, and that smaller parts were taken out of context.

COACHING: F - Five months of preparation for an emotional home opener and this is what they came up with? Offense was a disaster, with no short or intermediate-range passes to ease the pressure on the quarterbacks. No screens, either. Brooks burned two timeouts because the Raiders were confused coming to the line, and it cost them late in the first half when San Diego was pinned deep in its own territory and Oakland had just one timeout to burn. Defensively wasn't a problem of scheme so much as first-half intensity. :yucky:

 
so question for you guys... was talking to a buddy whose FF team I faced in a Yahoo league, and he said something about Lamont Jordan fumbling (or so he thought, as well as the awesome announcers ( :sarcasm: ), but the scoresheet shows differently. Did the announcers just fumble the call? I only ask because if it was Jordan, I win the matchup, if it wasn't, he wins. :popcorn:

 
My best friend is a Raiders fan ( :bag: ), and he just told me that he thinks a 12-4 record for them is still reasonable. :confused:

 
My best friend is a Raiders fan ( :bag: ), and he just told me that he thinks a 12-4 record for them is still reasonable. :confused:
I've used this line before, but I enjoy it so I'll use it again....My chances of making sweet sweet love to Salma Hayek :wub: are far more "reasonable" than the Raiders' chances of going 12-4 this year.ETA: And that my friends is the best use ever of the "wub" smiley. :D
 
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so question for you guys... was talking to a buddy whose FF team I faced in a Yahoo league, and he said something about Lamont Jordan fumbling (or so he thought, as well as the awesome announcers ( :sarcasm: ), but the scoresheet shows differently. Did the announcers just fumble the call? I only ask because if it was Jordan, I win the matchup, if it wasn't, he wins. :popcorn:
It was a bad handoff. Jordan never actually got the ball so it was likely charged to the QB.
 

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