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Chargers trade for WR Chris Chambers (1 Viewer)

Stick a fork in Vinny Jackson
definate value drop though they love his blocking. where does this leave buster?
not for this season but, might I again suggest that the odd man in this picture is LTNorv likes the big back -- the one everyone keeps predicting will be lost to free agency.I would bet Tomlinson could easily get you back something better than the Chargers' own 2nd rounder.
Interesting theory, but trading away LT is probably the quickest way to become shark chum in SD.
Clearly it's the longest of shots but, if you're the GM whose move to Norv actually WINS a playoff game after being hung out to dry over it for the first month of the season, you might have a little capital to spend. Turner may be a decent substitute and, let's face it, the NFL appears to be heading away from stud running back. LT will never platoon and someone will pay UP for him. Look at last year's SuperBowl backs. And, please, don't even start to put Addai in the class of Edge, Emmitt, Terrell Davis or other focal point backs.
 
Stick a fork in Vinny Jackson
definate value drop though they love his blocking. where does this leave buster?
not for this season but, might I again suggest that the odd man in this picture is LTNorv likes the big back -- the one everyone keeps predicting will be lost to free agency.I would bet Tomlinson could easily get you back something better than the Chargers' own 2nd rounder.
Interesting theory, but trading away LT is probably the quickest way to become shark chum in SD.
Clearly it's the longest of shots but, if you're the GM whose move to Norv actually WINS a playoff game after being hung out to dry over it for the first month of the season, you might have a little capital to spend. Turner may be a decent substitute and, let's face it, the NFL appears to be heading away from stud running back. LT will never platoon and someone will pay UP for him. Look at last year's SuperBowl backs. And, please, don't even start to put Addai in the class of Edge, Emmitt, Terrell Davis or other focal point backs.
LT owns San Diego. He is probably the greatest professional athlete in San Diego professional sports history, and he's absolutely loved by the community. There is 0.000% chance he is traded.
 
Doesn't this remind anyone of Moss to the Patriots? Granted, Rivers is not Brady, but Chambers on a team that's superbowl caliber? I could see him going off.
In the middle of the season?
Miami runs Norv Turner's offense. San Diego runs Norv Turner's offense. He's going to be active immediately, which was one of the primary reasons they picked him up.
and Chambers has been doing so well under Cam Cam thus far, right?
In all this discussion no one has weighed the fact that Chambers has gone from the NFL to the AFC West.
 
Do you know what I just realized,

The bolts only have thier first and fifth,sixth & 7th round picks for the upcoming 2008 draft, we used our 4th rounder on Paul Oliver in the supplimental, traded away the 3rd rounder for Eric Weddle last year and now just sent our 2nd rounder to Miami for Chambers.

Hmmmmmmmm

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Do you know what I just realized,

The bolts only have thier first and fifth,sixth & 7th round picks for the upcoming 2008 draft, we used our 4th rounder on Paul Oliver in the supplimental, traded away the 3rd rounder for Eric Weddle last year and now just sent our 2nd rounder to Miami for Chambers.

Hmmmmmmmm
They'll probably pick up a third for Donnie Edwards.
 
Paddy O said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
jonessed said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
SeniorVBDStudent said:
Doesn't this remind anyone of Moss to the Patriots? Granted, Rivers is not Brady, but Chambers on a team that's superbowl caliber? I could see him going off.
In the middle of the season?
Miami runs Norv Turner's offense. San Diego runs Norv Turner's offense. He's going to be active immediately, which was one of the primary reasons they picked him up.
and Chambers has been doing so well under Cam Cam thus far, right?
In all this discussion no one has weighed the fact that Chambers has gone from the NFL to the AFC West.
sweet...POD...
 
Chargers have thrown for around 3300 yards last year and prorated thus far into this year. You have to figure the passing game will take atleast a slight uptick with Chambers on board, maybe to the 3500 yard range. Gates is good for 1000 yards, LT for 500 yards. That still leaves 2000 receiving yards up for grabs.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Do you know what I just realized,The bolts only have thier first and fifth,sixth & 7th round picks for the upcoming 2008 draft, we used our 4th rounder on Paul Oliver in the supplimental, traded away the 3rd rounder for Eric Weddle last year and now just sent our 2nd rounder to Miami for Chambers.
Meaning that San Diego is turning into the Redskins?
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Do you know what I just realized,

The bolts only have thier first and fifth,sixth & 7th round picks for the upcoming 2008 draft, we used our 4th rounder on Paul Oliver in the supplimental, traded away the 3rd rounder for Eric Weddle last year and now just sent our 2nd rounder to Miami for Chambers.

Hmmmmmmmm
They'll probably pick up a third for Donnie Edwards.
thats more than we could have gotten for him in a trade Im sure, so I'll take it. Still only 2 day one picks isnt good IMO.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Do you know what I just realized,

The bolts only have thier first and fifth,sixth & 7th round picks for the upcoming 2008 draft, we used our 4th rounder on Paul Oliver in the supplimental, traded away the 3rd rounder for Eric Weddle last year and now just sent our 2nd rounder to Miami for Chambers.

Hmmmmmmmm
They'll probably pick up a third for Donnie Edwards.
thats more than we could have gotten for him in a trade Im sure, so I'll take it. Still only 2 day one picks isnt good IMO.
There's not much room on the roster at this point for draft picks. Yeah it's nice to have more lottery tickets to hit on good players, but realistically, how many rookies do you think will actually make the team next year? Do they really have a chance to get someone as good as Chambers with that 2nd round pick?I'd rather have Chambers than a late 2nd round pick in 2008.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Do you know what I just realized,

The bolts only have thier first and fifth,sixth & 7th round picks for the upcoming 2008 draft, we used our 4th rounder on Paul Oliver in the supplimental, traded away the 3rd rounder for Eric Weddle last year and now just sent our 2nd rounder to Miami for Chambers.

Hmmmmmmmm
They'll probably pick up a third for Donnie Edwards.
thats more than we could have gotten for him in a trade Im sure, so I'll take it. Still only 2 day one picks isnt good IMO.
There's not much room on the roster at this point for draft picks. Yeah it's nice to have more lottery tickets to hit on good players, but realistically, how many rookies do you think will actually make the team next year? Do they really have a chance to get someone as good as Chambers with that 2nd round pick?I'd rather have Chambers than a late 2nd round pick in 2008.
That homerism thinking, Draft picks are gold, the chargers need OL depth, LB depth and I know they spent alot of picks on the secondary recently, so I hope they address this in FA somewhat.
 
That homerism thinking, Draft picks are gold, the chargers need OL depth, LB depth and I know they spent alot of picks on the secondary recently, so I hope they address this in FA somewhat.
There are only so many spots on the roster. Who are you going to get rid of for the 2nd round pick? They drafted several linebackers this year, all of whom have solid potential, what 2nd round pick is going to displace the ones they already have? Similarly with the OL? They probably will address the DBs again this year since Florence is probably leaving, I'd imagine that's where they'll spend the 1st rounder.They'll get a compensatory pick for Donnie Edwards, so really they'll only be down two picks going into the draft. This isn't a rebuilding team, I don't see it as a huge burden. Sorry for the homerism thinking.
 
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That homerism thinking, Draft picks are gold, the chargers need OL depth, LB depth and I know they spent alot of picks on the secondary recently, so I hope they address this in FA somewhat.
There are only so many spots on the roster. Who are you going to get rid of for the 2nd round pick? They drafted several linebackers this year, all of whom have solid potential, what 2nd round pick is going to displace the ones they already have? Similarly with the OL? They probably will address the DBs again this year since Florence is probably leaving, I'd imagine that's where they'll spend the 1st rounder.They'll get a compensatory pick for Donnie Edwards, so really they'll only be down two picks going into the draft. This isn't a rebuilding team, I don't see it as a huge burden. Sorry for the homerism thinking.
no probbut siler and watters are pretty much filler/special teamers. I dont think wilhelm a long term answer in the middle either. They have two pass rushing LB's and that's about it. I think they could upgrade Olivea's spot to be sure and now injuries to Goff and Hardwick have me concerned about depth.I also dont like anyone on the D line after the 3 starters.a secondary next year of Jammer-Mcree-Weddle-Cromartie and Oliver as the Nickel is not good.
 
That homerism thinking, Draft picks are gold, the chargers need OL depth, LB depth and I know they spent alot of picks on the secondary recently, so I hope they address this in FA somewhat.
There are only so many spots on the roster. Who are you going to get rid of for the 2nd round pick? They drafted several linebackers this year, all of whom have solid potential, what 2nd round pick is going to displace the ones they already have? Similarly with the OL? They probably will address the DBs again this year since Florence is probably leaving, I'd imagine that's where they'll spend the 1st rounder.They'll get a compensatory pick for Donnie Edwards, so really they'll only be down two picks going into the draft. This isn't a rebuilding team, I don't see it as a huge burden. Sorry for the homerism thinking.
no probbut siler and watters are pretty much filler/special teamers. I dont think wilhelm a long term answer in the middle either. They have two pass rushing LB's and that's about it. I think they could upgrade Olivea's spot to be sure and now injuries to Goff and Hardwick have me concerned about depth.I also dont like anyone on the D line after the 3 starters.a secondary next year of Jammer-Mcree-Weddle-Cromartie and Oliver as the Nickel is not good.
I think you're going to have problems with the team long term then because it seems like the Charger brass has a very different outlook on things than you. You're going to have to settle for Wilhelm for a while I'm afraid - he's one of A.J.'s favorites. I also wouldn't be so quick to judge Siler and Watters as filler, Polk is the guy I've been underwhelmed with so far. And I've liked what I've seen from McKinney and Harris when they've had a chance to play. Cesaire is servicable. I don't know that it'd be so easy to upgrade Olivea as well without paying an exorbitant amount. As to the back ups on the offensive line, I think what they've got is about what you'd expect for back ups.
 
That homerism thinking, Draft picks are gold, the chargers need OL depth, LB depth and I know they spent alot of picks on the secondary recently, so I hope they address this in FA somewhat.
There are only so many spots on the roster. Who are you going to get rid of for the 2nd round pick? They drafted several linebackers this year, all of whom have solid potential, what 2nd round pick is going to displace the ones they already have? Similarly with the OL? They probably will address the DBs again this year since Florence is probably leaving, I'd imagine that's where they'll spend the 1st rounder.They'll get a compensatory pick for Donnie Edwards, so really they'll only be down two picks going into the draft. This isn't a rebuilding team, I don't see it as a huge burden. Sorry for the homerism thinking.
no probbut siler and watters are pretty much filler/special teamers. I dont think wilhelm a long term answer in the middle either. They have two pass rushing LB's and that's about it. I think they could upgrade Olivea's spot to be sure and now injuries to Goff and Hardwick have me concerned about depth.I also dont like anyone on the D line after the 3 starters.a secondary next year of Jammer-Mcree-Weddle-Cromartie and Oliver as the Nickel is not good.
Clary looks like a decent rookie and I haven't seen Oben play in ages, but he was always pretty solid.You don't like Cesaire? I always thought he did a pretty solid job off the bench.They need depth in the secondary, but given their track record on using high draft picks there I think maybe they should just go to FA.
 
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That homerism thinking, Draft picks are gold, the chargers need OL depth, LB depth and I know they spent alot of picks on the secondary recently, so I hope they address this in FA somewhat.
There are only so many spots on the roster. Who are you going to get rid of for the 2nd round pick? They drafted several linebackers this year, all of whom have solid potential, what 2nd round pick is going to displace the ones they already have? Similarly with the OL? They probably will address the DBs again this year since Florence is probably leaving, I'd imagine that's where they'll spend the 1st rounder.They'll get a compensatory pick for Donnie Edwards, so really they'll only be down two picks going into the draft. This isn't a rebuilding team, I don't see it as a huge burden. Sorry for the homerism thinking.
no probbut siler and watters are pretty much filler/special teamers. I dont think wilhelm a long term answer in the middle either. They have two pass rushing LB's and that's about it. I think they could upgrade Olivea's spot to be sure and now injuries to Goff and Hardwick have me concerned about depth.I also dont like anyone on the D line after the 3 starters.a secondary next year of Jammer-Mcree-Weddle-Cromartie and Oliver as the Nickel is not good.
If McCree plays the rest of the year like he has thus far he won't start..... might not even be on the team again. They have enough young "prospects" in the secondary. I really wish they'd just pull the trigger and sign a quality veteran FA safety to pair with Weddle. I don't think the 2nd would have helped as much as FA there.Their D line is fine but I've been hoping for a long time they'd draft a quality guy to groom behind Jamal Williams. There's a big drop off when he goes out. Haven't been impressed with Ryon Bingham and this would have been a good place to spend a 2nd rounder.I like the OLB's(Merriman/Phillips/Harris/Polk(for special teams mostly). The ILB's really need to be revamped but much like the secondary there are too many "projects" there already. They need to sign a vet for all these young guys to lean on. I'm not convinced Siler is just a special teams guy. I thought he had a pretty good nose for the football in preseason. In the right situation I think he could be very good. Been disappointed in Dobbins so far. I'm not so sure Waters is even 100% healthy yet so I'll give him a bogey. Coop/Wilhelm seem like good depth or marginal starters to me. I don't think the 2nd helps as much as a FA here either.Maybe OL but it seems AJ rarely takes OL that high. Not saying he shouldn't, it just seems like he doesn't. McNeil was definitely the exception.I think given the Turner situation it was possible they would have used that 2nd rounder on a backup RB to Tomlinson.
 
That homerism thinking, Draft picks are gold, the chargers need OL depth, LB depth and I know they spent alot of picks on the secondary recently, so I hope they address this in FA somewhat.
There are only so many spots on the roster. Who are you going to get rid of for the 2nd round pick? They drafted several linebackers this year, all of whom have solid potential, what 2nd round pick is going to displace the ones they already have? Similarly with the OL? They probably will address the DBs again this year since Florence is probably leaving, I'd imagine that's where they'll spend the 1st rounder.They'll get a compensatory pick for Donnie Edwards, so really they'll only be down two picks going into the draft. This isn't a rebuilding team, I don't see it as a huge burden. Sorry for the homerism thinking.
no probbut siler and watters are pretty much filler/special teamers. I dont think wilhelm a long term answer in the middle either. They have two pass rushing LB's and that's about it. I think they could upgrade Olivea's spot to be sure and now injuries to Goff and Hardwick have me concerned about depth.I also dont like anyone on the D line after the 3 starters.a secondary next year of Jammer-Mcree-Weddle-Cromartie and Oliver as the Nickel is not good.
I think you're going to have problems with the team long term then because it seems like the Charger brass has a very different outlook on things than you. You're going to have to settle for Wilhelm for a while I'm afraid - he's one of A.J.'s favorites. I also wouldn't be so quick to judge Siler and Watters as filler, Polk is the guy I've been underwhelmed with so far. And I've liked what I've seen from McKinney and Harris when they've had a chance to play. Cesaire is servicable. I don't know that it'd be so easy to upgrade Olivea as well without paying an exorbitant amount. As to the back ups on the offensive line, I think what they've got is about what you'd expect for back ups.
actually this is the best I've ever felt about the team. I was trying to point out potential areas of concern where drafts picks could help. Im glad to hear that we could pick up A 3rd for donnie leaving.
 
I'm a bit surprised that Chambers went at the deadline for a 2nd and not some sort of conditional pick, but I think this is a win all the way around (except for Jackson, I guess).

Chambers was at his best when Norv was calling the plays in Miami. He knows the system and, more importantly, seems to have flourished under the Norv variant of this offense. I can't swear that Norv is running the precise variant of the offense he was in Miami, but I'm guessing it's at least pretty close.

By the same token, I think it's clear there is something that was holding Chambers back in Miami over the past season and a half or so. I think he essentially became disenchanted with the team and where he saw himself fitting in. It was time for a change in scenery. I think moving him along to a new setting is going to improve his attitude and part of what was holding him back. With that said, the biggest problem in the game of Chris Chambers is that he doesn't seem to be willing to focus on the ball the same way he did prior to being served up by Kenoy Kennedy several years back. For him to match his potential, he's going to have to move past that hit. We'll see if this helps him make that happen.

Miami has been in a real pickle in terms of fan support and in terms of developing Ginn. He's not good enough right now to truly justify playing in place of Booker or Chambers, but he's only going to get better by getting in there and playing. This trade removed that logjam in a way I didn't see coming. While I personally think Booker is a better receiver than Chambers, the organization has always seemed to favor Chambers. I figured Booker would be out of there this offseason. Instead, it looks like he may stick around to serve as a compliment to Ginn. I think that's a good fit, but I didn't believe the organization saw it that way. Ginn gets more playing time and so does Hagan, though it's far from certain Hagan actually deserves it at this point.

Finally, Miami got a 2nd rounder for a receiver for the second time in a year. The last time it happened, the pick turned into a promising rookie center. I love this aspect of the move as a Dolphins fan. I hope this pick turns into a promising defensive lineman or perhaps a safety this time around. It's evident Miami's defense needs help in both places.

 
wow. Surprising move for AJ if true.
Not really, he is afraid of his job and desperate to try and save Rivers status and perception (and thus his own).Makes perfect sense.Rivers can have a top OLine, Tomlinson, Gates and a damn good defense and yet it wasnt his fault. It was the fault of average WRs. :goodposting: Jacksonville and Tennesee say hello, among others.
Either that or maybe he was trying to improve depth in case there's a major injury at the end of the year.
 
:goodposting:Chambers = VJaxDoesn't matter who the #1 WR is. They will still be the 3rd option in that offense!So they finally get LT rolling and now they wanna screw with the works again and bring in Chambers?Makes no sense at all and Norv Turner will be looking for work next year. :lmao:
Nice call.
 
WRs changing teams in the offseason have a horrible track record, and that's with training camp and exhibition games to help facilitate the learning process. I don't see Chambers doing much this year.
He's actually been one of Rivers favorite targets. I've been really surprised he's done so much work over the middle, I had assumed he was just brought in to stetch the defense.
 
BoltBacker said:
wow. Surprising move for AJ if true.
Not really, he is afraid of his job and desperate to try and save Rivers status and perception (and thus his own).Makes perfect sense.Rivers can have a top OLine, Tomlinson, Gates and a damn good defense and yet it wasnt his fault. It was the fault of average WRs. :thumbup: Jacksonville and Tennesee say hello, among others.
Either that or maybe he was trying to improve depth in case there's a major injury at the end of the year.
I can't believe people ever questioned a trade to get a WR like Chambers for just a (late) 2nd round round pick.
 
WRs changing teams in the offseason have a horrible track record, and that's with training camp and exhibition games to help facilitate the learning process.

I don't see Chambers doing much this year.
Agreed. Look how Moss and Welker have fared.
not a good comparison. the Brady factor makes any WR look better. historically WRs changing teams take a while to transition.
That used to be the case, but the last few years that notion has been challenged.
TO has been fantastic in Philly AND Dallas in his first year joining each team
Moss and Welker and Stallworth are being highly productive this year
Stallworth was highly productive from Week One for the Eagles last year
Kevin Curtis has been productive in Philly this year
Laveranues Coles didn't skip a beat in his first year in Washington
Santana Moss enjoyed his best season in his first in D.C.
Derrick Mason had no problems transitioning in his first year in Baltimore
Javon Walker was awesome right from the start in Denver
Plaxico Burress had a monster first season as a NY Giant
This was an excellent post, backed up with a lot of examples. Wood does a great job on the blog but I wish he'd post more in the Shark Pool. Not that I always agree with him(Jurevicious DID finish ahead of Gonzales even with the Harrison injury just as you had predicted you son of a...)
 
I'm not sure why everyone is relating this move to Vincent Jackson. Vincent Jackson will still be starting with Chambers. Chambers is replacing Davis/Parker's role in the offense..... those are the guys you need to downgrade. Davis especially in dynasty imo.
I was going to say the same thing. :fishing:If anything, it will help the other Chargers because Chambers is an upgrade over their current starter opposite VJax, so the offense should be more productive and score more TDs.
DAMN :violin: !!! This is exactly what the Chargers are thinking as well! The offence as a whole benefits, period!
:topcat: Good point. Chambers>>>>Parker/Buster. Equals better passing game.Now if they can only go get a cover corner........
... and cue Cromartie almost the week you asked! What did you do with your other two wishes?
 
For those that seem ready to downplay Chambers, I just happened to roll onto Irving Fryar's old numbers...WTF does that have to do with this you say? let me show you...1984: 11/164/1...rookie year1985: 39/670/7...Eason and Grogan split time, neither exceptioanlly great Qbs1986: 43/737/6...mostly Eason1987: 31/467/5...Grogan and Tom Ramsey...strike season. NE ranked 26 out of 28 teams back then in passing1988: 33/490/5...Flutie and Grogan...and the Pats were dead last in the NFL in passing yds. 1989: 29/537/3...Grogan, Marc Wilson, Eason, and Flutie all under Center. 1990: 54/856/4...Wilson, Grogan, and Tom Hodson all under Center for periods of time, team went 1-15 under Rod Rust1991: 68/1014/3...Hugh Millen most of the season, 3rd HC in 3 seasons with **** McPherson...the painful years for Patsfans1992: 55/791/4...Hugh millen, Scott Zolak, Hodson, and Jeff Carlson all under Center. Team went 9-39 thru these 3 years...WOW!!!You notice that Fryar played under several coaches much like Chambers...he showed some flashes of talent much as Chambers has done, in fact I would say Chambers at this stage of his career has flashed more. Now watch what happens when Fryar is sent to Miami to work with Don Shula and Dan Marino.1993: 64/1010/5...Selected to the Pro Bowl1994: 73/1270/7...Pro Bowl again1995: 62/910/8...career high for TD in a season.He is then sent to Philly 1996: 88/1195/11...Pro Bowl1997: 86/1316/6 ...Pro BowlHe was sent to places where he could do well. I think San Diego is great for him as he will not be leaned on to win football games. Chambers can catch the deep ball, and I can't remember him really having drops the same way DJax ever did. His Qbs have been subpar at best...I like him to do very well in San Diego, reunited with Norv Turner who worked with him in Miami during the early part of this decade...he should do well and I expect him to post better numbers than the WR that SD has had over the past 4-5 years. He has talent, there is no doubt about it and gives the SD offense a much more complete package to go to battle with.Rivers stock is way up today. Like 20-25% IMO.
Good call my MOP, as said earlier Rivers has looked to him often(especially on third downs) and played much better down the stretch since Chambers arrived.
 
wow. Surprising move for AJ if true.
Not really, he is afraid of his job and desperate to try and save Rivers status and perception (and thus his own).Makes perfect sense.

Rivers can have a top OLine, Tomlinson, Gates and a damn good defense and yet it wasnt his fault. It was the fault of average WRs. :rolleyes:

Jacksonville and Tennesee say hello, among others.
:badposting:The above is nonsense. Rivers has had a tough season, but neither he nor A.J.'s jobs are in jeopardy in any way.

Stick to Steelers info please, you don't know what you're talking about here.
:rolleyes: I've been pretty solid and consistent on PR all along.

He does have a top Oline.

He does have L-freakin-T.

He does have Gates.

He does have a serious defense.

And yet people want to blame it on the average WR corp.

And I've been to the charger boards and to say there wasnt/isnt very serious grumblings about AJ and his job is flatly incorrect.
:crazy: So because some fans are complaining on a message board that means A.J. and/or Rivers' job is in jeopardy? You've got to be joking right?

And I don't know what you've been saying about Rivers solidly and consistently, but I doubt it's been worth listening to and has pretty much been solidly and consistently wrong, if what you've come up with so far is any indication. His offensive line hasn't been playing well for most of the season, and besides Gates and Tomlinson, nobody's getting open much for him - I expected more out of the receivers they had, but they haven't given it.

Let me spell it out for you:

This trade was not the act of a desperate man. This trade was the act of a man who really believes this team has a shot at contending for a title this year. They thought Buster Davis would be the deep threat going into this season, or at least wanted to see if he could be. Obviously Davis isn't ready yet, so they trade for Chambers to fill a need, similarly how they traded for McCardell a couple of years ago. I'm thinking A.J. is thinking he basically just spent the compensation pick they'll be getting for Turner next year, so the 2nd rounder isn't a huge loss as there aren't going to be tons of open spots for the roster next year anyway.

Chambers will help spread the field and open things up more for Rivers, Gates and Tomlinson - they benefit the most from this. Whether he catches all the balls thrown is way is somewhat irrelevant (it would be nice if he could though), opposing safeties will have to respect his speed regardless. It's a good deal for the team as it takes the pressure off Davis and allows him to develop while still providing the speed they need right now. Also it helps Rivers because the outside receivers have not been getting open enough. A big part of the reason he's been forcing things is that he hasn't had anywhere to go with the ball except Gates and Tomlinson. That fumble he had against KC which went the other way for 6 was a perfect example, he had time but nobody got open and he held to ball too long waiting. The other guys aren't getting great separation and haven't demonstrated the ability to make plays consistently. Bringing in the vet Chambers who can get separation should help Rivers quite a bit. Hopefully it also means they'll stop running that useless reverse to Davis.
:own3d: :bowtie:
Oh noes! Charger fans once again getting upset at anything directed at AJ or PR. If thats ownage, then Im fine being owned. Again the blame is elsewhere. Not that anyone who has paid attention would be surprised.

And if the bowels of the Chargers are rumbling (along with the socal media) about AJ and I concur and repeat it, dont get too testy.
And what nugget's of information have you been gleaning from your bowels lately?
 
BusterTBronco said:
You weren't that wrong. Chambers is incredibly overrated. Before yesterday, he had 555 yards and 4 TD's in 10 games with the Bolts.His Football Outsiders stats (if you're into that) are equally unimpressive. 44th in DPAR and 55th in DVOA among all NFL WR this year.
And if Gates isn't available this weekend he's worth a lot more than a very late 2nd rounder to the Chargers right now.For that matter, without Chambers in the game after Gates gets hurt yesterday they may not even be playing in a game this weekend.
 
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BusterTBronco said:
You weren't that wrong. Chambers is incredibly overrated. Before yesterday, he had 555 yards and 4 TD's in 10 games with the Bolts.His Football Outsiders stats (if you're into that) are equally unimpressive. 44th in DPAR and 55th in DVOA among all NFL WR this year.
Looked pretty good to me. First year with a new team part way through the season, i think he's done fantastic. Last 8 games he's put up 565 yards and 3 TDs.
 
BusterTBronco said:
You weren't that wrong. Chambers is incredibly overrated. Before yesterday, he had 555 yards and 4 TD's in 10 games with the Bolts.

His Football Outsiders stats (if you're into that) are equally unimpressive. 44th in DPAR and 55th in DVOA among all NFL WR this year.
Looked pretty good to me. First year with a new team part way through the season, i think he's done fantastic. Last 8 games he's put up 565 yards and 3 TDs.
Football Outsiders also pegged him and Randy Moss as the two most improved WRs this year.Most improved: Randy Moss, Patriots, of course, but also Chris Chambers, Chargers. Last year, Chambers had the second-lowest DPAR ever for a wide receiver. In Pro Football Prospectus 2007, we called him "the NFL player with the largest gap between his perceived and actual value." He always had a worse catch rate than the other Miami receivers, no matter who played quarterback, and this year was no different. Through midseason, Chambers had a catch rate of 47 percent and was playing at replacement level.

But Chambers was pretty good in his half season in San Diego. His catch rate was up to 56 percent, in line with the other San Diego wideouts. From Week 8 to Week 17, he was 25th in DPAR among wide receivers. He wasn't challenging Randy Moss and Reggie Wayne for a Pro Bowl spot, but he was far better than he was in 2006.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7622176

 
BusterTBronco said:
You weren't that wrong. Chambers is incredibly overrated. Before yesterday, he had 555 yards and 4 TD's in 10 games with the Bolts.His Football Outsiders stats (if you're into that) are equally unimpressive. 44th in DPAR and 55th in DVOA among all NFL WR this year.
He came in midseason and has continued to play a larger and larger role each game. You couldn't ask much more of him at this point.
 
BusterTBronco said:
You weren't that wrong. Chambers is incredibly overrated. Before yesterday, he had 555 yards and 4 TD's in 10 games with the Bolts.His Football Outsiders stats (if you're into that) are equally unimpressive. 44th in DPAR and 55th in DVOA among all NFL WR this year.
He came in midseason and has continued to play a larger and larger role each game. You couldn't ask much more of him at this point.
Not mention that WR isn't the focus of the offense. He did as good as anyone realistically expected.
 
In his post-game press conference, Rivers was asked about Chambers specifically and what acquiring him meant to the offense. His answer was pretty interesting. He talked about how he could watch a guy run routes on tape all day but until he played with him he couldn't really get a feel for him. Said that he really started to get a feel for Chambers, to read his body language, during their week 11 Jaguars game. And since then he's been a huge boon to the offense. Said that the other teams really respect him.

I'm paraphrasing here, but that's the jist of what I heard. For whatever reason, the link to it on the Chargers multimedia page isn't working so I can't view it again, but that's what I remember.

So here's what I took from that:

-Rivers and Chambers are still building chemistry and it should only be better next year

-Other NFL teams respect Chambers, according to Rivers

-Counting that Jax game and the playoff game, Chambers has played 8 games. His stats are (feel free to check my math) 8 games, 56 targets, 32 catches, 565 yards and 3TDs.

 
Stick a fork in Vinny Jackson
definate value drop though they love his blocking. where does this leave buster?
not for this season but, might I again suggest that the odd man in this picture is LTNorv likes the big back -- the one everyone keeps predicting will be lost to free agency.I would bet Tomlinson could easily get you back something better than the Chargers' own 2nd rounder.
Interesting theory, but trading away LT is probably the quickest way to become shark chum in SD.
Clearly it's the longest of shots but, if you're the GM whose move to Norv actually WINS a playoff game after being hung out to dry over it for the first month of the season, you might have a little capital to spend. Turner may be a decent substitute and, let's face it, the NFL appears to be heading away from stud running back. LT will never platoon and someone will pay UP for him. Look at last year's SuperBowl backs. And, please, don't even start to put Addai in the class of Edge, Emmitt, Terrell Davis or other focal point backs.
You are severely underestimating Addai.
 
Not mention that WR isn't the focus of the offense. He did as good as anyone realistically expected.
He exceeded my expectations.RE: comment about AJ and PR and Charger fans getting all up in arms when someone criticizes them: Rivers has somewhat scared me this year. He has gotten better as the season has progressed, but early on he looked skittish in the pocket, afraid to step forward to make the throw. He looks better now than he did earlier in the season, but I am by no means of the opinion he is a great QB. I think he is a QB who can make some plays, but I can think of at least 6 other QBs I would rather see running the Chargers offense.AJ has hit on some pretty big gambles. I questioned him on the Rivers/Manning deal, but he did come out smelling like a rose on that one. For this, I am willing to give him quite a bit of lee-way even on decisions I may not agree with at the time. I don't think many can argue with the Chargers drafts the last 3 years.If the Chargers can make it to the AFC Championship game, I would consider this season a success.
 
This was a good trade when it happened and has turned into a great trade by the end of the season. If Gates is able to play the ability to have a legit 3rd weapon on the outside is huge. Like someone else said, the WR in the SD offense is the 3rd option but having a better option there is a great asset.

 

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