Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I'll say 24-17 Patriots.
38-17 Patriots if they manage to steal signs from the Chargers.
38-17 Patriots if they manage to steal signs from the Chargers.
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Chargers v Patriots....the rematch (1 Viewer)
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The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
LT always seems to have huge games against the Patriots. If Norv Turner keeps giving him the ball unlike what happened in the playoff game last season I think the Chargers could pull out a victory.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Finless said:
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Based on the prediction, I would expect a response like "one meeeellion dollars!"
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I SAID NAME YOUR PRICE!!!Finless said:tak'er easy Groovy. My post was in response to the high scoring, blowout, blatant homerism post. As far as these teams go, I have no alliances.
...just kidding 
eom
Footballguy
you might want to check out the results of the lowly bills/chargers game last year.uh oh......I believe the pats also blew out the lowly bills last year, and played denver when they actually had a defense.edit psit really cracks me up when you excuse their losses as being to playoff teams.
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How many other teams won every game against non-playoff teams? Not the Patriots.
Phlash
Footballguy
Bu-wahhhhhhhhhhhh?????
eom
Footballguy
no.and neither does the No ####### Chance conference.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Chase, the Colts were getting their tails handed to them (as usual) until Seymour turned his ankle.[/hijack]That sort of logic never stopped Patriots fans from saying they would beat the Colts.Check the rosters from that game...Drew Brees, Eric Parker, Reche Caldwell, David Givens, Corey Dillon, Patrick Pass, Deion Branch, Tim Dwight, Schottenheimer, Donnie Edwards, Monty Beisel, Chad Scott, Willie McGinest, Dwayne Starks, Guss Scott...
I think it safe to say that NEITHER team is the same from October 2005.
Back on topic, this game means EVERYTHING to LT, and means A LOT MORE to Merriman and Turner than it does to BB and company.
Chargers 28
Patriots 24
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Now when Seymour and Harrison are back, and we meet again in the AFC Championship:
Patriots 38
Chargers 17
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
E-A-G-L-E-S
Footballguy
The Chargers were taking the game to the Pats, but at the same time the Chargers did everything possible to give that game to the Pats. To name a few1. Muffed punt2. Personal foul after sacking brady and recovering fumble3. Fumble after what should have been clinching INT4 Jackson not getting foot down in back of endzone on TD5. Pats could not stop LT but the bolts coaches decided to not keep giving him the ball in the 4th qtrAfter all this they were in position to tie the game at the end with a FG but missed. Yes the Pats won but the Bolts did everything they could to give it to them.Should be a great game this week, can't wait to see it. I think the Chargers will be amped to play come out with a victory. The revenge factor is huge in this one.Finless said:
eom
Footballguy
ok, let me see if I've got this straight..........
they played 2 more teams ---- had they lost to one of these 2 teams that team would have made the playoffs, and their record against playoff teams would be even worse.
did I get that right?
also, I believe I already noted their record against those teams in my initial post, but thx for the reminder.
they played 2 more teams ---- had they lost to one of these 2 teams that team would have made the playoffs, and their record against playoff teams would be even worse.
did I get that right?
also, I believe I already noted their record against those teams in my initial post, but thx for the reminder.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Everything you say is true, but I think the revenge factor is overrated. After all, it took the Colts years to finally get revenge on the Patriots after some tough losses to them back in '03. Same thing with Green Bay and Dallas in the 90's. Being motivated by revenge is fine, but execution and game-planning is what will win this week's game.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
You aren't making any sense. It is dumb to just look at their record against playoff teams, especially when wins over teams that just missed the playoffs are just as impressive (because they kept those teams out of the playoffs by beating them) as the wins over the teams that did make the playoffs.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
Yeah, letting their emotions get the best of them had a lot to do with the Chargers falling apart in last year's playoff game. If they're too wound up for this one it could get ugly for them. They need to be calm and business like out there.That's right, I said it - It's Business Time!
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
why do you bother responding to a troll. He is obviously an alias, running his trap to try to get people wound up. Just ignore and move on. You don't need to argue that the Bolts had a fantastic season last year, and just sent the NFC champs packing home holdin them to a mere 3 pts.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
H.K. is masterful at drumming up fishing trips, but I'm not sure he can touch whoever this guy is. I don't know whether to laugh at him or feel embarrassed for him.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Noted.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
I did it too. Good stuff. He should have at least come up with a creative name for his alias though.
jonessed
Footballguy
I'm guessing H.K.
eom
Footballguy
ah yes, they all scurry for their holes when it comes time to back their team.
there must be some brave san diego homers willing to back the greatest show on earth.....
I'm just talkin' a fun little bet --- you guys have any faith at all that the chargers can win next week?
as a matter of fact, since they filled up the pro bowl, and it was well established after they lost the playoff game that they were the better team and generously decided to give it to the pats, I should be getting points, but I'll even take the pats straight up.
there must be some brave san diego homers willing to back the greatest show on earth.....
I'm just talkin' a fun little bet --- you guys have any faith at all that the chargers can win next week?
as a matter of fact, since they filled up the pro bowl, and it was well established after they lost the playoff game that they were the better team and generously decided to give it to the pats, I should be getting points, but I'll even take the pats straight up.
cstu
Footballguy
I know what you’re trying to sayYou’re trying to say it’s time for business, it’s business time, oooh
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
You know when I'm down to just my socks it's time for business - that's why they call it business socksIt's business.It's business time.
Tau837
Footballguy
I'm really looking forward to this game.
Last year in the playoffs, I think the Chargers clearly had the better team. They beat themselves. I would not expect that set of circumstances to be repeated. But things are obviously different this time...
Are the Chargers better now? I'd say so. They have new ILBs, which might be a bit of a downgrade, but they also have improved their secondary IMO. Their running game should be about as good as last year... I mean, I don't expect LT to score as many TDs this year, but they have arguably the best running game in the NFL. Their passing game should be improved IMO, with better collective receivers and more game experience for Rivers, as well as with Turner instead of Marty at HC.
Are the Patriots better now? I'd say so. No Dillon, but huge upgrade at WR. On defense, they should be better this year, but will certainly feel the absence of Seymour and Harrison this week.
Look at last week. For the Chargers, they missed a FG and had the phantom fumble on the goal line... they could have easily won that game 24-3, against arguably the best defense in the NFL. They should have an easier time moving the ball and scoring points against the Pats. The Pats obviously demolished the Jets, but I'm not quite sure how much it tells us other than what we already expected - their passing game is better this year. They will have a harder time moving the ball and scoring points against the Chargers.
I think the Chargers stand a good chance of winning. I agree with the posters who cited the cross country trip as a negative; I think this is something that sometimes gets overlooked. And obviously New England will have home field advantage. But I also do think the motivation will be there more for the Chargers, as others have said.
I definitely don't think Brady will often have enough time in this game to wait on those deep patterns by Moss to develop. I could see Welker and Watson being bigger factors this week. I think the Pats will need to run better than last week to win. For the Chargers, they will need to run successfully like they did in the playoff game, while continuing to get the ball to Gates like they did last week. If Seymour and Harrison were playing, I'd probably pick the Pats, but, as it is, I think the Chargers could win a close one.
Last year in the playoffs, I think the Chargers clearly had the better team. They beat themselves. I would not expect that set of circumstances to be repeated. But things are obviously different this time...
Are the Chargers better now? I'd say so. They have new ILBs, which might be a bit of a downgrade, but they also have improved their secondary IMO. Their running game should be about as good as last year... I mean, I don't expect LT to score as many TDs this year, but they have arguably the best running game in the NFL. Their passing game should be improved IMO, with better collective receivers and more game experience for Rivers, as well as with Turner instead of Marty at HC.
Are the Patriots better now? I'd say so. No Dillon, but huge upgrade at WR. On defense, they should be better this year, but will certainly feel the absence of Seymour and Harrison this week.
Look at last week. For the Chargers, they missed a FG and had the phantom fumble on the goal line... they could have easily won that game 24-3, against arguably the best defense in the NFL. They should have an easier time moving the ball and scoring points against the Pats. The Pats obviously demolished the Jets, but I'm not quite sure how much it tells us other than what we already expected - their passing game is better this year. They will have a harder time moving the ball and scoring points against the Chargers.
I think the Chargers stand a good chance of winning. I agree with the posters who cited the cross country trip as a negative; I think this is something that sometimes gets overlooked. And obviously New England will have home field advantage. But I also do think the motivation will be there more for the Chargers, as others have said.
I definitely don't think Brady will often have enough time in this game to wait on those deep patterns by Moss to develop. I could see Welker and Watson being bigger factors this week. I think the Pats will need to run better than last week to win. For the Chargers, they will need to run successfully like they did in the playoff game, while continuing to get the ball to Gates like they did last week. If Seymour and Harrison were playing, I'd probably pick the Pats, but, as it is, I think the Chargers could win a close one.
H.K. would use his own account.
They also took a knee instead of scoring again on the final possession.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Regarding their losses, Harrison didn't play in that game. Dillon had 8 rushes for 18 yards, and Seymour had one tackle. Regarding their additions, Moss, Stallworth and Welker are certainly notable, but let's not forget that Maroney's shoulder was hurt last year, Morris is running well, and they replaced an injured Seau with a healthy Seau and Adalius Thomas, while getting to play this game at home instead of on the road.
Tau837
Footballguy
Yes, I pointed out the advantage of them playing at home and said their team overall is better. Are you suggesting that they won't miss Seymour and Harrison? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think of those two as two of their best defensive players.I agree their running game is in better shape than in the playoff game. And it will need to be for them to win IMO.bostonfred said:
bostonfred
Footballguy
Asking if the Patriots are worse without Harrison and Seymour isn't really relevant since we don't know how good the team with Seymour and Harrison would have been. You compared the Patriots of the 2006 playoffs to the Patriots of the 2007 regular season game, and that does seem like a relevant comparison. What I'm pointing out is that you can't consider the loss of Harrison a downgrade compared to last year's playoff team, since Harrison was out for that game. Similarly, Seymour had a grand total of one tackle in that game, so while Jarvis Moss is a downgrade talent-wise, he may be an adequate replacement for Seymour's actual production in that game. Similarly, I'd take a healthy Maroney and Morris over an injured running game and a beat up Dillon who had 8 rushes for 18 yards in that game. So even before we talk about the additions the Pats made, I'd point out that, compared to the team that beat San Diego in last year's playoff game, the Patriots haven't lost that much. On the other hand, you are correct that San Diego seemed to play better in that game. So let's start with the assumption that the Chargers were the better team there, and then add in the changes they made, which you consider to be for the better. Is that going to be made up for by the additions of Moss, Stallworth, Welker, Thomas, and the fact that the game is at Gilette? When you think of it that way, it seems like New England should be favored here, doesn't it?
Tau837
Footballguy
I assume New England is favored. Is that not the case?So defensively, compared to the playoff game, they added Thomas & Seau, and lost Seymour. You cited that Seymour had only 1 tackle earlier, but I also know you have said this before the playoff game:
So I'm not quite sure what you're arguing with me about, since I think you have an even higher opinion of Seymour than I do.Independent of the comparison to last season's playoff game, I said that I'd pick the Pats with Seymour and Harrison playing and the game in New England. Then I said without them playing, I think San Diego has a decent chance to win. On a neutral field, with all players healthy and playing, I think a matchup between these teams is a toss-up. It's not on a neutral field, which favors the Pats. But the Pats are missing two of their best defensive players. To me, it's a wash, and thus back to a toss-up. If I had to bet on the game, I'd bet on the Chargers, especially considering I'd expect to get a few points. I wasn't meaning to focus solely on the difference since last season's playoff game, sorry if that wasn't clear.
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