1. I was rolling my eyes at the fact that "USC would have torched LSU any of the past 5 years" That it simply not true2. Just b/c I think it's going to be a cakewalk, doesn't mean anything. I don't play. I simply think that LSU will cover -7.53. Short answer, yes. While LSU hasn't been the best SEC school at scheduling OOC (Tenn, Florida), they haven't been the worst either (Auburn). And it hasn't hurt them yet so I'm not sure what your point isexactly. USC(58-6 over the last five years) has been far more dominant than LSU(52-13 over the last 5 years). You are not in the same class. And as for ND. Keep thinking this is a cake walk over ND and you are going to get embarrassed. ND is better than you think and you are vastly overrating your squad.By the way....does LSU feel it should schedule the "sisters of the poor" for out of conference games because they play in the SEC???Keep dreamin. I hate USC, but there's not a year in the last 5 they wouldn't have torched you.
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Charlie Weis: 2 wins over a top 25 (barely) team in 4 years (1 Viewer)
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TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
So, by this analogy, Ohio State didn't actually beat two #2 teams this year?My bad...I added UCLA (#25 right now)Oh and it doesn't matter what the teams were ranked when they played.....those are misleading rankings.UCLA don't count?And what were the teams ranked when they played?2006
Ga. Tech - not ranked in BCS
Penn St. - not ranked in BCS
UCLA - #25 in BCS
2005
Michigan - finished #20 in BCS
Way go to domers
Was Michigan really the #3 team in the country last year
Again, nobody is calling for Weis' job here....Just stating that his biggest win is against a team that finished #20 overall and that ND is overrated.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
I think the true test will be the next 2 years. In all honesty, ND was in a horrible downward spiral when he took over. He's brought a lot of passion back to the team. In two years, he's stopped the bleeding and got ND fans excited again. Plus, his name and history have been a great recruiting success. I'm happy with him so far.
Because you are drunk at 9:00 in the morning.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
I don't think ND fans are saying they're a top 5 team right now, except the idiots. But, this is the best it's been since the early Holtz era, and we know it could be a LOT better.That's why we're excited. Not for a blowout from LSU.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Judged? Three years.Ridiculed? Day one.hthBorat said:
Jayded
Footballguy
Close. 7 on offense with zero eligibility remaining and 9 on defense I believe.A lot of freshmen this year did play as well. Next year we will have a ton of freshmen and sophomores playing on the OL thanks to Willingham's lack of recruiting for that position.Btw Weis is +328 in point differential in his first two years compared to Willingham's last two. He doesn't have the horses yet, but outside of Michigan State last year ND isn't losing games it should win anymore.
Hammered Finz
Footballguy
ND is about to lose its' ninth straight bowl game
tell me what their 'signature win' has been?? Navy? Air Force? please... in fact, has Brady Quinn ever beaten a top 10 team in his career????
tell me what their 'signature win' has been?? Navy? Air Force? please... in fact, has Brady Quinn ever beaten a top 10 team in his career????
You can change it back to 1 win with UCLA's loss to FSU.
Good questions.They do not have a signature win. They beat UCLA, Penn State and Georgia Tech this year. Last year they beat Michigan, Tennessee and Pitt. Brady has never been the quarterback when Notre Dame beat a team that finished in the top 10. Good thing he decided to play a team sport. What a loser.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Yeah but if you're counting end of year rankings, Penn State should make it back into the bottom of the Top 25.juveduke said:
that's why i didn't change the title
I'm laughing at how bad II used this defense against some ####### ND student in the pisser in the superdome tonight. He had no response to me when I told him they only beat one team in the top 25 in the past 2 years.
wned: this guy tonight
I would think next season is going to be a rebuilding year with Walker the only veteran offensive player returning, Brady and a few of their WR's gone, the OL (outside of 1 starter), and then most of their defense (this is probably a good thing).They do have some great talent coming in there, but I think next year will be a 7-5, 8-4 at best season.
Did you post this from the pisser at the Super Dome?I used this defense against some ####### ND student in the pisser in the superdome tonight. He had no response to me when I told him they only beat one team in the top 25 in the past 2 years.
Hammered Finz
Footballguy
You mean there aren't any Weis-recruited sophomores or freshmen capable of playing D? Does Charlie not play underclassmen? I doubt ND is recruiting the talent everyone thinks they are..
Weis only recruited for about a month his first season. Only the freshman class is his and his alone. He played somewhere close to 14 of them with 1 a full time starter on the offensive line. I don't think that is inconsistent with other teams.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I can promise that Penn State, and specifically Morelli, will play a lot better next year at home than they did this year at your place.
Bevo
Footballguy
What does their schedule look like next year?
So top 10 and another BCS thrashing for the domers next year?
100 yards and 2 TDs or the other guy?I am sure that if Notre Dame had a freshman running back who could play better than Walker, Weis would have him playing. Any other true freshman playing for LSU last night?I believe Notre Dame started one who played the whole game and did not split time and played at least 4 others at various points not including special teams or the mop up running back at the end.
Only if they continue bribing NCAA officials and restructure their BCS contract to make it more favorable and if Charlie "Weiss" eats enough twinkies so that other teams' cheerleaders / song girls start rotating around him like small moons because of his gravitational pull.
2007 Football Schedule --------------------------------------------------------------------------------S 01 GEORGIA TECHS 08 @ Penn StateS 15 @ MichiganS 22 MICHIGAN ST.S 29 @ PurdueO 06 @ UCLAO 13 BOSTON COLLEGEO 20 SOUTHERN CALN 03 NAVYN 10 AIR FORCEN 17 DUKEN 24 @ StanfordGT at home instead of at GT but then travel to Penn State and Michigan (who should be top 5 preseason). Michigan State could be tough. Boston College is back. USC (also top 5) at home then a bunch of cream puffs to end. Duke replaces North Carolina, BC replaces Army. Interestingly enough there are three teams with new coaches and possibly 4 if anyone takes Navy's coach.
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Do we really need to discuss the different roles that a state school plays when compared to a selective private school?
This would be a new argument for me. I would love to hear it.
This may be true. But, I think not having faith in his defense and special teams (i.e. the horses) has made it worse.
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
L5UT1ger
Footballguy
51% last I saw for this year. 96% for ND.Is this the best you can bring to a football discussion? This is relevant to me when I start cheering and getting drunk and am entertained by watching folks take college exams or start tailgating for graduation ceremonies.
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
Just shows that ND will not be able to compete when they are bringing in student athletes over those that are bringing in just athletes. I don't think ND had to suspsend any of their players for the first half of last night's game.
Who cares
Keiland Williams was the true freshman who put up 100/2I would have to check on the other true freshman....but I was making the point that if Willinghams players were so bad, than why haven't any of Weis' recruits played?
Well, something's gotta give then.Just shows that ND will not be able to compete when they are bringing in student athletes over those that are bringing in just athletes. I don't think ND had to suspsend any of their players for the first half of last night's game.
Hammered Finz
Footballguy
If Charlie was such a recruiter, surely there is a blue chip Frosh on the team who can cover someone, right????I understood your point. I think 19 true freshman (out of 25) have played with 14 of them having significant playing time. One played every game on offensive line which is pretty rare for a true freshman. 8 sophomores played this year (out of 15). Freshman are in bold...
Counting the minutes of the Fighting Irish
By Lou Somogyi
Blue & Gold Illustrated
These are the minutes and seconds accumulated by Notre Dame’s players during the regular season, as recorded by the student managers.
The minutes and seconds reflect the playing time on offense, defense and special teams. Each special teams appearance counts for 30 seconds. For example, sophomore linebacker Steve Quinn did not play a second on defense, but he is credited with 68:30 playing time because of 137 special teams appearances.
passes.The number in parentheses denotes special teams appearances made. Defensive end Victor Abiamiri is credited with 290:42 playing time. Because he had 50 special teams appearances, though, that means he actually played 265:42 at defensive end.
Quarterback: Brady Quinn 299:36 (2), Evan Sharpley 19:42.
Note: Sharpley attempted as many passes (2) as wide receiver Jeff Samardzija.
Running Back: Darius Walker 259:16 (4), Junior Jabbie 22:30 (45), James Aldridge 18:59, Munir Prince 15:42, John Lyons 1:52.
Note: All of Jabbie’s playing time was on special teams, beginning with Navy in Game 8.
Fullback: Ashley McConnell 83:51 (58), Asaph Schwapp 23:21 (5), Matt Augustyn 3:55.
Notes: Starter Schwapp suffered a season-ending injury against Penn State in Game 2… The fullback playing time was relatively low because he was the odd man out when the Irish went to double tight end or multiple receiver formations.
Receivers: Jeff Samardzija 337:06 (77), Rhema McKnight 278:31 (4), David Grimes 168:58 (44)**, Chase Anastasio 81:52 (50), George West 49:34, (65), Richard Jackson 36:10 (69), Robby Parris 13:36 (3), Nick Possley 6:30 (13), Craig Cardillo 2:22 (1).
Note: Freshman Parris saw more action at receiver (12:06) than classmate Jackson (1:40), but Jackson had 69 special teams appearances to Parris’ 3, giving him more overall playing time.
Tight Ends: John Carlson 287:50 (98), Marcus Freeman 205:30 (157), Will Yeatman 26:39 (18), Konrad Reuland 16:45 (2).
Note: Fifth-year senior Freeman and/or wideout Grimes were considered co-starters on offense, many times in place of the fullback.
Offensive Line: Bobby Morton 328:20 (62), Dan Santucci 325:09 (67), John Sullivan 302:01 (3), Ryan Harris 299:05 (2), Sam Young 269:47 (6) Paul Duncan 81:37 **(61), Brian Mattes 67:44 (65), Mike Turkovich **22:01, Eric Olsen 19:43, Dan Chervanick 6:53, Matt Carufel 2:41.
Note: Young’s playing time is believed to be the most ever by a Notre Dame freshman since the NCAA permitted frosh eligibility in 1972. The previous highs, according to our research, was quarterback Brady Quinn with 250:03 in 2003 and outside linebacker Kory Minor with 239:38 in 1995. Plus, the bowl game will be now added to Young’s total. The previous most by a freshman offensive lineman was Harris in 2003 with 215:05.
Defensive Line: Derek Landri 295:13 (51), Victor Abiamiri 290:42 (50), Trevor Laws 288:32 (51), Chris Frome 223:19 (28), Casey Cullen 110:30 (221), Ronald Talley 58:01 (31), Travis Leitko 91:12 (120), Pat ####z ** 64:46 (67), John Ryan 35:47 (6), Justin Brown 22:37 (5), Morrice Richardson 20:52 (19), Dwight Stephenson Jr. 8:41, Derrell Hand 1:07, Neil Kennedy 0:30.
Notes: All of Cullen’s action came on special teams, where he made more appearances than anyone else on the squad (he was second last year with 190)…End Talley left the team after Game 6, during the bye week.
Linebackers: Maurice Crum Jr. 322:09 (96), Travis Thomas 299:46 (108), Joe Brockington 240:03 (115), Mitchell Thomas 119:08 (138), Steve Quinn **68:30 (137), Nick Borseti 37:53 (73), Anthony Vernaglia 26:19 (9), Toryan Smith 23:25 (3), Kyle Charters 0:30, Tim Kenney 0:30 (1).
Note: Brockington became the surprise when he took over at Will linebacker in the final five games, leading to the shift of Travis Thomas from Will to outside linebacker (Sam)…Vernaglia missed the last four games after getting injured at Navy.
Cornerbacks: Terrail Lambert 354:38 (200), Michael Richardson 319:11 (71), Ambrose Wooden 94:07 (22), Leo Ferrine 66:22 (54), Darrin Walls 61:07 (24), Raeshon McNeil 34:38 (44).
Note: What would have been the odds in the preseason that the junior Lambert, who had played only 54:32 in his career, would lead the 2006 team in game action?...A starter at the beginning of the year, Wooden was injured against Michigan and played sparingly thereafter, including no recorded action in the final two games…Freshman Walls saw very little action after Game 5 against Purdue.
Safeties: Tom Zbikowski 330:32 (140), Chinedum Ndukwe 323:06 (106), Ray Herring **130:36 (169), Kyle McCarthy **83:27 (158), David Bruton **77:29 (106), Sergio Brown 49:26 (97), Jashaad Gaines 13:00 (26).
Note: Collectively, no unit played more on special teams than the safeties.
Specialists: J.J. Jansen 56:30 (113), Carl Gioia 34:00 (68), Geoff Price 24:00 (48), Ryan Burkhart 22:30 (45, Bobby Renkes 12:00 (24), Nate Whitaker 0:30 (1).
** - Grimes, Duncan, Turkovich, ####z, S. Quinn, Herring, McCarthy and Bruton are sophomores and are, technically, Charlie's recruits (for the one month he was coach during recruiting).
In the game last night, Grimes (Sophomore) and West returned kicks and Young played o-line. Grimes also had a catch and Aldridge had a few rushes at the end of the game. Munir Prince missed a swing pass from Brady, Walls was the corner that was beat on the long TD at the end after the starter (Lambert) got knocked on his ### by his own player. I am sure there were others playing during the game but these are the ones that I know played. So, that is at least 5 true freshman and 1 sophomore.
There are 2 HS All Americans who are freshman this year. Walls and McNeil. Walls was beat on that long TD pass when Ndukwe went for the up man instead of giving him the deep help that he needed. How many true freshman are playing in college ball at corner right now?
The other distinct possibility is that ND recruits exactly the same kids as everyone else, and makes real sure they all get enrolled in the classes they need to get enrolled in so they can graduate. Don't pretend that ND limits itself to only those "student athletes" who could have gotten into ND without their athletic ability.Just shows that ND will not be able to compete when they are bringing in student athletes over those that are bringing in just athletes. I don't think ND had to suspsend any of their players for the first half of last night's game.
Thanks. Hopefully for ND this early experience pays off in the next few years.
They absolutely do this in the name of student body diversity, etc. They also bend the admission rules for other people with specific non-academic skills who contribute to the campus life. A controversial example is children of alumni. Non controversial examples include those with music skills and those from less fortunate backgrounds. I am not sure they do this for minorities but I do know that they are increasing their minority enrollment (typically in Hispanic and Asians).
So you're saying that the entire ND football squad would have been admitted to ND based exclusively on their non-football merit? Every school bends rules to get in kids that will bring them more money, be they kids of wealthy alum or athletes. That's no secret.
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