Charlie Weis: 2 wins over a top 25 (barely) team in 4 years (1 Viewer)

[GStrot]

Don't pretend that ND limits itself to only those "student athletes" who could have gotten into ND without their athletic ability.

They absolutely do this in the name of student body diversity, etc. They also bend the admission rules for other people with specific non-academic skills who contribute to the campus life. A controversial example is children of alumni. Non controversial examples include those with music skills and those from less fortunate backgrounds. I am not sure they do this for minorities but I do know that they are increasing their minority enrollment (typically in Hispanic and Asians).

So you're saying that the entire ND football squad would have been admitted to ND based exclusively on their non-football merit? Every school bends rules to get in kids that will bring them more money, be they kids of wealthy alum or athletes. That's no secret.

That should read "They absolutely admit student athletes who would not (necessarily) have been admitted on academics alone." Sorry if that was unclear.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Don't pretend that ND limits itself to only those "student athletes" who could have gotten into ND without their athletic ability.

They absolutely do this in the name of student body diversity, etc. They also bend the admission rules for other people with specific non-academic skills who contribute to the campus life. A controversial example is children of alumni. Non controversial examples include those with music skills and those from less fortunate backgrounds. I am not sure they do this for minorities but I do know that they are increasing their minority enrollment (typically in Hispanic and Asians).

So you're saying that the entire ND football squad would have been admitted to ND based exclusively on their non-football merit? Every school bends rules to get in kids that will bring them more money, be they kids of wealthy alum or athletes. That's no secret.

That should read "They absolutely admit student athletes who would not (necessarily) have been admitted on academics alone." Sorry if that was unclear.

They certainly restrict the amount of bend. You don't think Notre Dame wants to be more athletic? You don't think they couldn't be more athletic if they would broaden their recruiting base? Notre Dame's Standards basically are an intellectual salary cap to keep them from being the Yankees of college football. If they wanted to take every dreg, thug and clown who can manage to strap his pads on, they would win title after title, because while they don't have the warm weather appeal, any kid who wants to go to the NFL, or just has an ego, gets 10 games a year on national TV. Add to that the legacy and history of the joint, Notre Dame could be unstoppable. That in and of itself should tell you that they are restricting the pool from which they draw. Wake up.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

How a coach can be judged after his first 2 seasons is beyond me? The guy is still playing with players that he didnt recruit.You are prolly the same guys that said Larry Johnson was just another over-rated Big 10 Running Back. Only time will tell.

I would think next season is going to be a rebuilding year with Walker the only veteran offensive player returning, Brady and a few of their WR's gone, the OL (outside of 1 starter), and then most of their defense (this is probably a good thing).They do have some great talent coming in there, but I think next year will be a 7-5, 8-4 at best season.

What does their schedule look like next year?

2007 Football Schedule --------------------------------------------------------------------------------S 01 GEORGIA TECHS 08 @ Penn StateS 15 @ MichiganS 22 MICHIGAN ST.S 29 @ PurdueO 06 @ UCLAO 13 BOSTON COLLEGEO 20 SOUTHERN CALN 03 NAVYN 10 AIR FORCEN 17 DUKEN 24 @ StanfordGT at home instead of at GT but then travel to Penn State and Michigan (who should be top 5 preseason). Michigan State could be tough. Boston College is back. USC (also top 5) at home then a bunch of cream puffs to end. Duke replaces North Carolina, BC replaces Army. Interestingly enough there are three teams with new coaches and possibly 4 if anyone takes Navy's coach.

at the November schedule. Charlie could beat those teams by himself. Wow.

 

[juveduke]

Don't pretend that ND limits itself to only those "student athletes" who could have gotten into ND without their athletic ability.

They absolutely do this in the name of student body diversity, etc. They also bend the admission rules for other people with specific non-academic skills who contribute to the campus life. A controversial example is children of alumni. Non controversial examples include those with music skills and those from less fortunate backgrounds. I am not sure they do this for minorities but I do know that they are increasing their minority enrollment (typically in Hispanic and Asians).

So you're saying that the entire ND football squad would have been admitted to ND based exclusively on their non-football merit? Every school bends rules to get in kids that will bring them more money, be they kids of wealthy alum or athletes. That's no secret.

That should read "They absolutely admit student athletes who would not (necessarily) have been admitted on academics alone." Sorry if that was unclear.

They certainly restrict the amount of bend. You don't think Notre Dame wants to be more athletic? You don't think they couldn't be more athletic if they would broaden their recruiting base? Notre Dame's Standards basically are an intellectual salary cap to keep them from being the Yankees of college football. If they wanted to take every dreg, thug and clown who can manage to strap his pads on, they would win title after title, because while they don't have the warm weather appeal, any kid who wants to go to the NFL, or just has an ego, gets 10 games a year on national TV. Add to that the legacy and history of the joint, Notre Dame could be unstoppable. That in and of itself should tell you that they are restricting the pool from which they draw. Wake up.

Then why isn't every academically inclined athlete going to ND?

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Don't pretend that ND limits itself to only those "student athletes" who could have gotten into ND without their athletic ability.

They absolutely do this in the name of student body diversity, etc. They also bend the admission rules for other people with specific non-academic skills who contribute to the campus life. A controversial example is children of alumni. Non controversial examples include those with music skills and those from less fortunate backgrounds. I am not sure they do this for minorities but I do know that they are increasing their minority enrollment (typically in Hispanic and Asians).

So you're saying that the entire ND football squad would have been admitted to ND based exclusively on their non-football merit? Every school bends rules to get in kids that will bring them more money, be they kids of wealthy alum or athletes. That's no secret.

That should read "They absolutely admit student athletes who would not (necessarily) have been admitted on academics alone." Sorry if that was unclear.

They certainly restrict the amount of bend. You don't think Notre Dame wants to be more athletic? You don't think they couldn't be more athletic if they would broaden their recruiting base? Notre Dame's Standards basically are an intellectual salary cap to keep them from being the Yankees of college football. If they wanted to take every dreg, thug and clown who can manage to strap his pads on, they would win title after title, because while they don't have the warm weather appeal, any kid who wants to go to the NFL, or just has an ego, gets 10 games a year on national TV. Add to that the legacy and history of the joint, Notre Dame could be unstoppable. That in and of itself should tell you that they are restricting the pool from which they draw. Wake up.

Then why isn't every academically inclined athlete going to ND?

I'd dare say most kids who could compete athletically DO go to Notre Dame. Of course, a South Bend winter might not compare to a Stanford one, so I'm sure there is a strong draw there as well, but if you think the perenial college powers are a brain drain on ND, I completely disagree.

 

[Bevo]

How a coach can be judged after his first 2 seasons is beyond me? The guy is still playing with players that he didnt recruit.

You are prolly the same guys that said Larry Johnson was just another over-rated Big 10 Running Back. Only time will tell.

I would think next season is going to be a rebuilding year with Walker the only veteran offensive player returning, Brady and a few of their WR's gone, the OL (outside of 1 starter), and then most of their defense (this is probably a good thing).They do have some great talent coming in there, but I think next year will be a 7-5, 8-4 at best season.

What does their schedule look like next year?

2007 Football Schedule --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

S 01 GEORGIA TECH

S 08 @ Penn State

S 15 @ Michigan

S 22 MICHIGAN ST.

S 29 @ Purdue

O 06 @ UCLA

O 13 BOSTON COLLEGE

O 20 SOUTHERN CAL

N 03 NAVY

N 10 AIR FORCE

N 17 DUKE

N 24 @ Stanford

GT at home instead of at GT but then travel to Penn State and Michigan (who should be top 5 preseason). Michigan State could be tough. Boston College is back. USC (also top 5) at home then a bunch of cream puffs to end. Duke replaces North Carolina, BC replaces Army. Interestingly enough there are three teams with new coaches and possibly 4 if anyone takes Navy's coach.

at the November schedule. Charlie could beat EAT those teams by himself. Wow.

Fixed

 

[juveduke]

Don't pretend that ND limits itself to only those "student athletes" who could have gotten into ND without their athletic ability.

They absolutely do this in the name of student body diversity, etc. They also bend the admission rules for other people with specific non-academic skills who contribute to the campus life. A controversial example is children of alumni. Non controversial examples include those with music skills and those from less fortunate backgrounds. I am not sure they do this for minorities but I do know that they are increasing their minority enrollment (typically in Hispanic and Asians).

So you're saying that the entire ND football squad would have been admitted to ND based exclusively on their non-football merit? Every school bends rules to get in kids that will bring them more money, be they kids of wealthy alum or athletes. That's no secret.

That should read "They absolutely admit student athletes who would not (necessarily) have been admitted on academics alone." Sorry if that was unclear.

They certainly restrict the amount of bend. You don't think Notre Dame wants to be more athletic? You don't think they couldn't be more athletic if they would broaden their recruiting base? Notre Dame's Standards basically are an intellectual salary cap to keep them from being the Yankees of college football. If they wanted to take every dreg, thug and clown who can manage to strap his pads on, they would win title after title, because while they don't have the warm weather appeal, any kid who wants to go to the NFL, or just has an ego, gets 10 games a year on national TV. Add to that the legacy and history of the joint, Notre Dame could be unstoppable. That in and of itself should tell you that they are restricting the pool from which they draw. Wake up.

Then why isn't every academically inclined athlete going to ND?

I'd dare say most kids who could compete athletically DO go to Notre Dame. Of course, a South Bend winter might not compare to a Stanford one, so I'm sure there is a strong draw there as well, but if you think the perenial college powers are a brain drain on ND, I completely disagree.

Just going down the list of ND recruits, I see this kid. He reports a 2.7 core GPA and a 930 SAT. That's not exactly setting the bar high.Running down the list of USC 5 star commits I see a few guys who report higher GPAs and SATs. What's up with that? Does Notre Dame not like 5 star athletes?

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Don't pretend that ND limits itself to only those "student athletes" who could have gotten into ND without their athletic ability.

They absolutely do this in the name of student body diversity, etc. They also bend the admission rules for other people with specific non-academic skills who contribute to the campus life. A controversial example is children of alumni. Non controversial examples include those with music skills and those from less fortunate backgrounds. I am not sure they do this for minorities but I do know that they are increasing their minority enrollment (typically in Hispanic and Asians).

So you're saying that the entire ND football squad would have been admitted to ND based exclusively on their non-football merit? Every school bends rules to get in kids that will bring them more money, be they kids of wealthy alum or athletes. That's no secret.

That should read "They absolutely admit student athletes who would not (necessarily) have been admitted on academics alone." Sorry if that was unclear.

They certainly restrict the amount of bend. You don't think Notre Dame wants to be more athletic? You don't think they couldn't be more athletic if they would broaden their recruiting base? Notre Dame's Standards basically are an intellectual salary cap to keep them from being the Yankees of college football. If they wanted to take every dreg, thug and clown who can manage to strap his pads on, they would win title after title, because while they don't have the warm weather appeal, any kid who wants to go to the NFL, or just has an ego, gets 10 games a year on national TV. Add to that the legacy and history of the joint, Notre Dame could be unstoppable. That in and of itself should tell you that they are restricting the pool from which they draw. Wake up.

Then why isn't every academically inclined athlete going to ND?

I'd dare say most kids who could compete athletically DO go to Notre Dame. Of course, a South Bend winter might not compare to a Stanford one, so I'm sure there is a strong draw there as well, but if you think the perenial college powers are a brain drain on ND, I completely disagree.

Just going down the list of ND recruits, I see this kid. He reports a 2.7 core GPA and a 930 SAT. That's not exactly setting the bar high.Running down the list of USC 5 star commits I see a few guys who report higher GPAs and SATs. What's up with that? Does Notre Dame not like 5 star athletes?

Well, USC is a different story. Bush had to take a paycut to go to the NFL.

 

[GStrot]

Don't pretend that ND limits itself to only those "student athletes" who could have gotten into ND without their athletic ability.

They absolutely do this in the name of student body diversity, etc. They also bend the admission rules for other people with specific non-academic skills who contribute to the campus life. A controversial example is children of alumni. Non controversial examples include those with music skills and those from less fortunate backgrounds. I am not sure they do this for minorities but I do know that they are increasing their minority enrollment (typically in Hispanic and Asians).

So you're saying that the entire ND football squad would have been admitted to ND based exclusively on their non-football merit? Every school bends rules to get in kids that will bring them more money, be they kids of wealthy alum or athletes. That's no secret.

That should read "They absolutely admit student athletes who would not (necessarily) have been admitted on academics alone." Sorry if that was unclear.

They certainly restrict the amount of bend. You don't think Notre Dame wants to be more athletic? You don't think they couldn't be more athletic if they would broaden their recruiting base? Notre Dame's Standards basically are an intellectual salary cap to keep them from being the Yankees of college football. If they wanted to take every dreg, thug and clown who can manage to strap his pads on, they would win title after title, because while they don't have the warm weather appeal, any kid who wants to go to the NFL, or just has an ego, gets 10 games a year on national TV. Add to that the legacy and history of the joint, Notre Dame could be unstoppable. That in and of itself should tell you that they are restricting the pool from which they draw. Wake up.

You certainly are taking my comment to an extreme. Where do I say they are not academically restricted? Where do I say they bend the academic requirements a lot? Somehow I have one person telling me that I am foolish to think they are not bending the rules at the same time someone telling me to wake up because they are not bending the rules as much as I think.

 

[juveduke]

Don't pretend that ND limits itself to only those "student athletes" who could have gotten into ND without their athletic ability.

They absolutely do this in the name of student body diversity, etc. They also bend the admission rules for other people with specific non-academic skills who contribute to the campus life. A controversial example is children of alumni. Non controversial examples include those with music skills and those from less fortunate backgrounds. I am not sure they do this for minorities but I do know that they are increasing their minority enrollment (typically in Hispanic and Asians).

So you're saying that the entire ND football squad would have been admitted to ND based exclusively on their non-football merit? Every school bends rules to get in kids that will bring them more money, be they kids of wealthy alum or athletes. That's no secret.

That should read "They absolutely admit student athletes who would not (necessarily) have been admitted on academics alone." Sorry if that was unclear.

They certainly restrict the amount of bend. You don't think Notre Dame wants to be more athletic? You don't think they couldn't be more athletic if they would broaden their recruiting base? Notre Dame's Standards basically are an intellectual salary cap to keep them from being the Yankees of college football. If they wanted to take every dreg, thug and clown who can manage to strap his pads on, they would win title after title, because while they don't have the warm weather appeal, any kid who wants to go to the NFL, or just has an ego, gets 10 games a year on national TV. Add to that the legacy and history of the joint, Notre Dame could be unstoppable. That in and of itself should tell you that they are restricting the pool from which they draw. Wake up.

Then why isn't every academically inclined athlete going to ND?

I'd dare say most kids who could compete athletically DO go to Notre Dame. Of course, a South Bend winter might not compare to a Stanford one, so I'm sure there is a strong draw there as well, but if you think the perenial college powers are a brain drain on ND, I completely disagree.

Just going down the list of ND recruits, I see this kid. He reports a 2.7 core GPA and a 930 SAT. That's not exactly setting the bar high.Running down the list of USC 5 star commits I see a few guys who report higher GPAs and SATs. What's up with that? Does Notre Dame not like 5 star athletes?

Well, USC is a different story. Bush had to take a paycut to go to the NFL.

There are enough 5 star recruits with better scores than that kid to fill up an entire recruiting class.

 

[Iron_Far]

Don't pretend that ND limits itself to only those "student athletes" who could have gotten into ND without their athletic ability.

They absolutely do this in the name of student body diversity, etc. They also bend the admission rules for other people with specific non-academic skills who contribute to the campus life. A controversial example is children of alumni. Non controversial examples include those with music skills and those from less fortunate backgrounds. I am not sure they do this for minorities but I do know that they are increasing their minority enrollment (typically in Hispanic and Asians).

So you're saying that the entire ND football squad would have been admitted to ND based exclusively on their non-football merit? Every school bends rules to get in kids that will bring them more money, be they kids of wealthy alum or athletes. That's no secret.

That should read "They absolutely admit student athletes who would not (necessarily) have been admitted on academics alone." Sorry if that was unclear.

They certainly restrict the amount of bend. You don't think Notre Dame wants to be more athletic? You don't think they couldn't be more athletic if they would broaden their recruiting base? Notre Dame's Standards basically are an intellectual salary cap to keep them from being the Yankees of college football. If they wanted to take every dreg, thug and clown who can manage to strap his pads on, they would win title after title, because while they don't have the warm weather appeal, any kid who wants to go to the NFL, or just has an ego, gets 10 games a year on national TV. Add to that the legacy and history of the joint, Notre Dame could be unstoppable. That in and of itself should tell you that they are restricting the pool from which they draw. Wake up.

Then why isn't every academically inclined athlete going to ND?

I'd dare say most kids who could compete athletically DO go to Notre Dame. Of course, a South Bend winter might not compare to a Stanford one, so I'm sure there is a strong draw there as well, but if you think the perenial college powers are a brain drain on ND, I completely disagree.

Just going down the list of ND recruits, I see this kid. He reports a 2.7 core GPA and a 930 SAT. That's not exactly setting the bar high.Running down the list of USC 5 star commits I see a few guys who report higher GPAs and SATs. What's up with that? Does Notre Dame not like 5 star athletes?

How do the ND worshippers explain this Greg Little kid and his 2.7 GPA getting in?

.... Must be all the choir practices that got this brainiac in there.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Don't pretend that ND limits itself to only those "student athletes" who could have gotten into ND without their athletic ability.

They absolutely do this in the name of student body diversity, etc. They also bend the admission rules for other people with specific non-academic skills who contribute to the campus life. A controversial example is children of alumni. Non controversial examples include those with music skills and those from less fortunate backgrounds. I am not sure they do this for minorities but I do know that they are increasing their minority enrollment (typically in Hispanic and Asians).

So you're saying that the entire ND football squad would have been admitted to ND based exclusively on their non-football merit? Every school bends rules to get in kids that will bring them more money, be they kids of wealthy alum or athletes. That's no secret.

That should read "They absolutely admit student athletes who would not (necessarily) have been admitted on academics alone." Sorry if that was unclear.

They certainly restrict the amount of bend. You don't think Notre Dame wants to be more athletic? You don't think they couldn't be more athletic if they would broaden their recruiting base? Notre Dame's Standards basically are an intellectual salary cap to keep them from being the Yankees of college football. If they wanted to take every dreg, thug and clown who can manage to strap his pads on, they would win title after title, because while they don't have the warm weather appeal, any kid who wants to go to the NFL, or just has an ego, gets 10 games a year on national TV. Add to that the legacy and history of the joint, Notre Dame could be unstoppable. That in and of itself should tell you that they are restricting the pool from which they draw. Wake up.

Then why isn't every academically inclined athlete going to ND?

I'd dare say most kids who could compete athletically DO go to Notre Dame. Of course, a South Bend winter might not compare to a Stanford one, so I'm sure there is a strong draw there as well, but if you think the perenial college powers are a brain drain on ND, I completely disagree.

Just going down the list of ND recruits, I see this kid. He reports a 2.7 core GPA and a 930 SAT. That's not exactly setting the bar high.Running down the list of USC 5 star commits I see a few guys who report higher GPAs and SATs. What's up with that? Does Notre Dame not like 5 star athletes?

How do the ND worshippers explain this Greg Little kid and his 2.7 GPA getting in?

.... Must be all the choir practices that got this brainiac in there.

FWIW, Little was a weird recruiting case. He was down to ND and NC. Then rumors started rolling in about Butch Davis getting the NC job. He was quoted on Rivals as being excited about that and respecting him as a coach or something like that. Then the day before NC officially announced Davis and Davis could legally contact him, he announced for ND. No real scheduled press conference or anything either. It seemed strange he didn't wait another day to be able to talk to Davis first.

 

[GStrot]

Don't pretend that ND limits itself to only those "student athletes" who could have gotten into ND without their athletic ability.

They absolutely do this in the name of student body diversity, etc. They also bend the admission rules for other people with specific non-academic skills who contribute to the campus life. A controversial example is children of alumni. Non controversial examples include those with music skills and those from less fortunate backgrounds. I am not sure they do this for minorities but I do know that they are increasing their minority enrollment (typically in Hispanic and Asians).

So you're saying that the entire ND football squad would have been admitted to ND based exclusively on their non-football merit? Every school bends rules to get in kids that will bring them more money, be they kids of wealthy alum or athletes. That's no secret.

That should read "They absolutely admit student athletes who would not (necessarily) have been admitted on academics alone." Sorry if that was unclear.

They certainly restrict the amount of bend. You don't think Notre Dame wants to be more athletic? You don't think they couldn't be more athletic if they would broaden their recruiting base? Notre Dame's Standards basically are an intellectual salary cap to keep them from being the Yankees of college football. If they wanted to take every dreg, thug and clown who can manage to strap his pads on, they would win title after title, because while they don't have the warm weather appeal, any kid who wants to go to the NFL, or just has an ego, gets 10 games a year on national TV. Add to that the legacy and history of the joint, Notre Dame could be unstoppable. That in and of itself should tell you that they are restricting the pool from which they draw. Wake up.

Then why isn't every academically inclined athlete going to ND?

I'd dare say most kids who could compete athletically DO go to Notre Dame. Of course, a South Bend winter might not compare to a Stanford one, so I'm sure there is a strong draw there as well, but if you think the perenial college powers are a brain drain on ND, I completely disagree.

Just going down the list of ND recruits, I see this kid. He reports a 2.7 core GPA and a 930 SAT. That's not exactly setting the bar high.Running down the list of USC 5 star commits I see a few guys who report higher GPAs and SATs. What's up with that? Does Notre Dame not like 5 star athletes?

How do the ND worshippers explain this Greg Little kid and his 2.7 GPA getting in?

.... Must be all the choir practices that got this brainiac in there.

2.7 is not decent? B- average? Scroll up to where I said "They absolutely admit student athletes who would not (necessarily) have been admitted on academics alone." Clausen - not reported

Trattou - 92% GPA (3.3?) no SAT

Ragone - not reported

Gray - not reported

Kamara - not reported

Allen - not reported

Smith - 3.7 core GPA, 28 ACT and an 1850 SAT

Nwankwo - not reported

Dever - 3.0 core GPA and a 1510 SAT (new version)

Neal - not reported

Tate - 3.0 GPA no SAT

Nagel - not reported

Paskorz - 3.5 core GPA awaiting May SAT results

Williams - 2.6 core GPA and an 18 ACT

Nuss - not reported

edit to add: at "worshippers".

 

[Politician Spock]

Hey LSU fan, what has been your graduation rate for players the last 5 years? GB all those guys that don't make the NFL and don't complete college, way to use that scholarship money wisely.

Northwestern says this a lot after having the ### handed to them by another Big 10 team. Welcome to their club.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Nice to see the rest of the NFL agrees with me

 

[GStrot]

Nice to see the rest of the NFL agrees with me

I think you bumped the wrong thread. Your premise is that Weis is not a good coach because he has not beaten good teams.Unless you are saying that Notre Dame's starting running back the past two years and both of their starting wide receivers going undrafted as well as their starting quarterback dropping an embarrassing 19 spots from where he was projected to go is a good thing and they were talented enough to win those games against USC, LSU, tOSU and Michigan.If you are saying the NFL agrees with you that Notre Dame is not very talented then an 19 - 6 record, two rankings in the top 25 and two BCS bowls would seem to indicate that Weis did a pretty good job and might be dangerous with players the NFL scouts think are worth drafting.

 

[GStrot]

Don't pretend that ND limits itself to only those "student athletes" who could have gotten into ND without their athletic ability.

They absolutely do this in the name of student body diversity, etc. They also bend the admission rules for other people with specific non-academic skills who contribute to the campus life. A controversial example is children of alumni. Non controversial examples include those with music skills and those from less fortunate backgrounds. I am not sure they do this for minorities but I do know that they are increasing their minority enrollment (typically in Hispanic and Asians).

So you're saying that the entire ND football squad would have been admitted to ND based exclusively on their non-football merit? Every school bends rules to get in kids that will bring them more money, be they kids of wealthy alum or athletes. That's no secret.

That should read "They absolutely admit student athletes who would not (necessarily) have been admitted on academics alone." Sorry if that was unclear.

They certainly restrict the amount of bend. You don't think Notre Dame wants to be more athletic? You don't think they couldn't be more athletic if they would broaden their recruiting base? Notre Dame's Standards basically are an intellectual salary cap to keep them from being the Yankees of college football. If they wanted to take every dreg, thug and clown who can manage to strap his pads on, they would win title after title, because while they don't have the warm weather appeal, any kid who wants to go to the NFL, or just has an ego, gets 10 games a year on national TV. Add to that the legacy and history of the joint, Notre Dame could be unstoppable. That in and of itself should tell you that they are restricting the pool from which they draw. Wake up.

Then why isn't every academically inclined athlete going to ND?

I'd dare say most kids who could compete athletically DO go to Notre Dame. Of course, a South Bend winter might not compare to a Stanford one, so I'm sure there is a strong draw there as well, but if you think the perenial college powers are a brain drain on ND, I completely disagree.

Just going down the list of ND recruits, I see this kid. He reports a 2.7 core GPA and a 930 SAT. That's not exactly setting the bar high.Running down the list of USC 5 star commits I see a few guys who report higher GPAs and SATs. What's up with that? Does Notre Dame not like 5 star athletes?

How do the ND worshippers explain this Greg Little kid and his 2.7 GPA getting in?

.... Must be all the choir practices that got this brainiac in there.

FWIW, Little was a weird recruiting case. He was down to ND and NC. Then rumors started rolling in about Butch Davis getting the NC job. He was quoted on Rivals as being excited about that and respecting him as a coach or something like that. Then the day before NC officially announced Davis and Davis could legally contact him, he announced for ND. No real scheduled press conference or anything either. It seemed strange he didn't wait another day to be able to talk to Davis first.

Then he ended up changing his mind on signing day and going to NC.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Nice to see the rest of the NFL agrees with me

I think you bumped the wrong thread.

I think he's referring to this:Hey LSU fan, what has been your graduation rate for players the last 5 years? GB all those guys that don't make the NFL and don't complete college, way to use that scholarship money wisely.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Nice to see the rest of the NFL agrees with me

I think you bumped the wrong thread.

I think he's referring to this:Hey LSU fan, what has been your graduation rate for players the last 5 years? GB all those guys that don't make the NFL and don't complete college, way to use that scholarship money wisely.

Don't know, Don't care

 

[thecatch]

B/c he is a fat slob of a human being

Classy

 

[Hammered Finz]

And the beat goes on.. where are the results? where are these so-called STUD recruits? Hasn't every other 'good' ND coach shown some results by their 3rd year?

 

[redman]

And the beat goes on.. where are the results? where are these so-called STUD recruits? Hasn't every other 'good' ND coach shown some results by their 3rd year?

Maybe if he can get Ty Willingham to recruit him some more offensive talent . . .

 

[Tiger Fan]

 

[Hammered Finz]

 

[Shrek]

And the beat goes on.. where are the results? where are these so-called STUD recruits? Hasn't every other 'good' ND coach shown some results by their 3rd year?

Maybe if he can get Ty Willingham to recruit him some more offensive talent . . .

Or if there was some way he could be provided with the opposing team's defensive signals ahead of time...If that happened, he'd look like an offensive genius!

 

[Yenrub]

And the beat goes on.. where are the results? where are these so-called STUD recruits? Hasn't every other 'good' ND coach shown some results by their 3rd year?

Maybe if he can get Ty Willingham to recruit him some more offensive talent . . .

Or if there was some way he could be provided with the opposing team's defensive signals ahead of time...If that happened, he'd look like an offensive genius!

 

[Apu]

And the beat goes on.. where are the results? where are these so-called STUD recruits? Hasn't every other 'good' ND coach shown some results by their 3rd year?

ND hater here. They'll be fine. They are a young team. Weiss needs to make some adjustments. Will be a rough 2007, but they'll be back next year.UM/ND was a sloppy game. Horrible. High school like.Hard to tell because both QB's played so bad, but I thought Claussen looked better, when he wasn't turning the ball over. Both made very dumb mistakes. Mallet lacks touch. This rivalry will mean a lot more in the next few years.

 

[Hammered Finz]

And the beat goes on.. where are the results? where are these so-called STUD recruits? Hasn't every other 'good' ND coach shown some results by their 3rd year?

ND hater here. They'll be fine. They are a young team. Weiss needs to make some adjustments. Will be a rough 2007, but they'll be back next year.UM/ND was a sloppy game. Horrible. High school like.

Hard to tell because both QB's played so bad, but I thought Claussen looked better, when he wasn't turning the ball over. Both made very dumb mistakes. Mallet lacks touch.

This rivalry will mean a lot more in the next few years.

seriously? is he going to teach these guys how to run faster? This is a slow, untalented team... everyone gets caught up in rating recruiting classes-- that is BS- it is subjective, and the media always gives Charlie a pass... they are in trouble until the "genius" can land some kids who can run 4.3's..

 

[Apu]

And the beat goes on.. where are the results? where are these so-called STUD recruits? Hasn't every other 'good' ND coach shown some results by their 3rd year?

ND hater here. They'll be fine. They are a young team. Weiss needs to make some adjustments. Will be a rough 2007, but they'll be back next year.UM/ND was a sloppy game. Horrible. High school like.

Hard to tell because both QB's played so bad, but I thought Claussen looked better, when he wasn't turning the ball over. Both made very dumb mistakes. Mallet lacks touch.

This rivalry will mean a lot more in the next few years.

seriously? is he going to teach these guys how to run faster? This is a slow, untalented team... everyone gets caught up in rating recruiting classes-- that is BS- it is subjective, and the media always gives Charlie a pass... they are in trouble until the "genius" can land some kids who can run 4.3's..

I'm picturing Weiss trying to SHOW someone how to run. Probably a good idea to start with blocking and go from there.

1 senior and 3 juniors on the entire oline, including backups. The rest are sophmore and freshman. When these guys learn to block and pass protect, they'll be good.

Agreed on the recruiting class rankings. It is very subjective.

 

[belljr]

I agree with Mandel - at least I'm hoping

Do we need further proof that recruiting-class rankings are totally bogus than watching the team currently fielded by Notre Dame? Charlie Weis has been bringing in these supposed top 10 recruiting classes every year, and frankly, the team I saw play last Saturday didn't appear to have so much as one blue chip player on it. What gives? Where is all this talent Weis has been bringing in?--Jim Loiner, Spaldwick, UKAmidst the Charlie Weis feeding frenzy that's already begun and will likely continue if Notre Dame starts 1-4, I think this is one area where he's actually being judged unfairly. Weis has only been there since February 2005. He's only had time to bring in two of these top 10 recruiting classes, and those players are currently in their first or second years on campus. One thing that never gets brought up -- but I think has a great deal to do with the Irish's expected dip this year -- is Notre Dame basically lost a complete recruiting cycle the year they fired Willingham and hired Weis. If you recall, Willingham was let go just after Thanksgiving weekend, while Weis remained with the Patriots through their Super Bowl run, which did not end until after Signing Day in February. Weis did as much as he could on the recruiting front, coming back for an official-visit weekend during a playoff bye week and what not, but c'mon. I can't imagine the Irish landed too many of their top targets that year.That's a class that would be entering its third year right now and, under normal circumstances, making a huge impact. A check of the Irish's two-deep, however, reveals that just two members of that 2005 class, receiver David Grimes and fullback Asaph Schwapp, are currently listed as starters. So really, Weis is working with the fifth-year leftovers from Willingham's highly regarded 2003 class (which included four recent NFL draft picks, led by Brady Quinn, as well as baseball pro Jeff Samardzija), his 2004 class that Rivals.com ranked just 40th (and whose brightest star, RB Darius Walker, is gone as well) and a pair of top 10 classes whose members are still extremely young.Now, next year, when those guys are all at least sophomores and juniors, and when Weis adds a freshman class that Rivals.com currently has ranked No. 1 in the country, there really will be no more excuses.

 

[Hammered Finz]

I agree with Mandel - at least I'm hoping

Do we need further proof that recruiting-class rankings are totally bogus than watching the team currently fielded by Notre Dame? Charlie Weis has been bringing in these supposed top 10 recruiting classes every year, and frankly, the team I saw play last Saturday didn't appear to have so much as one blue chip player on it. What gives? Where is all this talent Weis has been bringing in?--Jim Loiner, Spaldwick, UKAmidst the Charlie Weis feeding frenzy that's already begun and will likely continue if Notre Dame starts 1-4, I think this is one area where he's actually being judged unfairly. Weis has only been there since February 2005. He's only had time to bring in two of these top 10 recruiting classes, and those players are currently in their first or second years on campus. One thing that never gets brought up -- but I think has a great deal to do with the Irish's expected dip this year -- is Notre Dame basically lost a complete recruiting cycle the year they fired Willingham and hired Weis. If you recall, Willingham was let go just after Thanksgiving weekend, while Weis remained with the Patriots through their Super Bowl run, which did not end until after Signing Day in February. Weis did as much as he could on the recruiting front, coming back for an official-visit weekend during a playoff bye week and what not, but c'mon. I can't imagine the Irish landed too many of their top targets that year.That's a class that would be entering its third year right now and, under normal circumstances, making a huge impact. A check of the Irish's two-deep, however, reveals that just two members of that 2005 class, receiver David Grimes and fullback Asaph Schwapp, are currently listed as starters. So really, Weis is working with the fifth-year leftovers from Willingham's highly regarded 2003 class (which included four recent NFL draft picks, led by Brady Quinn, as well as baseball pro Jeff Samardzija), his 2004 class that Rivals.com ranked just 40th (and whose brightest star, RB Darius Walker, is gone as well) and a pair of top 10 classes whose members are still extremely young.Now, next year, when those guys are all at least sophomores and juniors, and when Weis adds a freshman class that Rivals.com currently has ranked No. 1 in the country, there really will be no more excuses.

that's great and all, but didn't USC have a bunch of true freshmen (not to mention Sophs) playing last night? This article just sounds like another Charlie Weis apologist.. he has 2 recruiting classes under his belt (insert joke).. where are these suposed studs??

 

[BackfromtheDead]

Last Night USC lined up a true center under center and two redshirt freshman on the O-Line. They had no problems protecting for Booty. I really think it comes down to coaching the recruits you have.

 

[tdoss]

Last Night USC lined up a true center under center and two redshirt freshman on the O-Line. They had no problems protecting for Booty. I really think it comes down to coaching the recruits you have.

Guys...give Weis a break...ND was playing Michigain...a freakin' POWERHOUSE...oh wait...

 

[koby925]

I agree with Mandel - at least I'm hoping

Do we need further proof that recruiting-class rankings are totally bogus than watching the team currently fielded by Notre Dame? Charlie Weis has been bringing in these supposed top 10 recruiting classes every year, and frankly, the team I saw play last Saturday didn't appear to have so much as one blue chip player on it. What gives? Where is all this talent Weis has been bringing in?--Jim Loiner, Spaldwick, UKAmidst the Charlie Weis feeding frenzy that's already begun and will likely continue if Notre Dame starts 1-4, I think this is one area where he's actually being judged unfairly. Weis has only been there since February 2005. He's only had time to bring in two of these top 10 recruiting classes, and those players are currently in their first or second years on campus. One thing that never gets brought up -- but I think has a great deal to do with the Irish's expected dip this year -- is Notre Dame basically lost a complete recruiting cycle the year they fired Willingham and hired Weis. If you recall, Willingham was let go just after Thanksgiving weekend, while Weis remained with the Patriots through their Super Bowl run, which did not end until after Signing Day in February. Weis did as much as he could on the recruiting front, coming back for an official-visit weekend during a playoff bye week and what not, but c'mon. I can't imagine the Irish landed too many of their top targets that year.That's a class that would be entering its third year right now and, under normal circumstances, making a huge impact. A check of the Irish's two-deep, however, reveals that just two members of that 2005 class, receiver David Grimes and fullback Asaph Schwapp, are currently listed as starters. So really, Weis is working with the fifth-year leftovers from Willingham's highly regarded 2003 class (which included four recent NFL draft picks, led by Brady Quinn, as well as baseball pro Jeff Samardzija), his 2004 class that Rivals.com ranked just 40th (and whose brightest star, RB Darius Walker, is gone as well) and a pair of top 10 classes whose members are still extremely young.Now, next year, when those guys are all at least sophomores and juniors, and when Weis adds a freshman class that Rivals.com currently has ranked No. 1 in the country, there really will be no more excuses.

This is a good point that most forget. I think/hope the line will start to get it and I actually like what I see in Claussen right now - he's much more advanced at this stage in his career than Quinn was. That said, this is painfully awful football.

 

[BackfromtheDead]

What is there to defend when USC lines up just as many true freshman and red-shirt freshman on both sides of the ball. Who prepares them to play football during the spring and the summer the coaches. Weis and his staff have failed to get there players ready for the season that is the bottom line. Youth is found at all schools and it's how you handle your youth that makes you successful. Carroll and staff are doing a great job and Weis and staff aren't.

 

[redman]

I agree with Mandel - at least I'm hoping

Do we need further proof that recruiting-class rankings are totally bogus than watching the team currently fielded by Notre Dame? Charlie Weis has been bringing in these supposed top 10 recruiting classes every year, and frankly, the team I saw play last Saturday didn't appear to have so much as one blue chip player on it. What gives? Where is all this talent Weis has been bringing in?--Jim Loiner, Spaldwick, UKAmidst the Charlie Weis feeding frenzy that's already begun and will likely continue if Notre Dame starts 1-4, I think this is one area where he's actually being judged unfairly. Weis has only been there since February 2005. He's only had time to bring in two of these top 10 recruiting classes, and those players are currently in their first or second years on campus. One thing that never gets brought up -- but I think has a great deal to do with the Irish's expected dip this year -- is Notre Dame basically lost a complete recruiting cycle the year they fired Willingham and hired Weis. If you recall, Willingham was let go just after Thanksgiving weekend, while Weis remained with the Patriots through their Super Bowl run, which did not end until after Signing Day in February. Weis did as much as he could on the recruiting front, coming back for an official-visit weekend during a playoff bye week and what not, but c'mon. I can't imagine the Irish landed too many of their top targets that year.That's a class that would be entering its third year right now and, under normal circumstances, making a huge impact. A check of the Irish's two-deep, however, reveals that just two members of that 2005 class, receiver David Grimes and fullback Asaph Schwapp, are currently listed as starters. So really, Weis is working with the fifth-year leftovers from Willingham's highly regarded 2003 class (which included four recent NFL draft picks, led by Brady Quinn, as well as baseball pro Jeff Samardzija), his 2004 class that Rivals.com ranked just 40th (and whose brightest star, RB Darius Walker, is gone as well) and a pair of top 10 classes whose members are still extremely young.Now, next year, when those guys are all at least sophomores and juniors, and when Weis adds a freshman class that Rivals.com currently has ranked No. 1 in the country, there really will be no more excuses.

There's probably something to this, however that only explains why they're not vying for a BCS Bowl. There's no way that a major program that is otherwise recruiting well should look as absolutely awful and clueless as they have. Notre Dame should never have less than five wins a year - never. This team looks like they might get two if things break their way.

 

[Tiger Fan]

[Weis]I will eat you if you defy me[/Weis]

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

[Weis]I will eat you if you defy me[/Weis]

Worst bump ever.

 

[redman]

I agree with Mandel - at least I'm hoping

Do we need further proof that recruiting-class rankings are totally bogus than watching the team currently fielded by Notre Dame? Charlie Weis has been bringing in these supposed top 10 recruiting classes every year, and frankly, the team I saw play last Saturday didn't appear to have so much as one blue chip player on it. What gives? Where is all this talent Weis has been bringing in?--Jim Loiner, Spaldwick, UKAmidst the Charlie Weis feeding frenzy that's already begun and will likely continue if Notre Dame starts 1-4, I think this is one area where he's actually being judged unfairly. Weis has only been there since February 2005. He's only had time to bring in two of these top 10 recruiting classes, and those players are currently in their first or second years on campus. One thing that never gets brought up -- but I think has a great deal to do with the Irish's expected dip this year -- is Notre Dame basically lost a complete recruiting cycle the year they fired Willingham and hired Weis. If you recall, Willingham was let go just after Thanksgiving weekend, while Weis remained with the Patriots through their Super Bowl run, which did not end until after Signing Day in February. Weis did as much as he could on the recruiting front, coming back for an official-visit weekend during a playoff bye week and what not, but c'mon. I can't imagine the Irish landed too many of their top targets that year.That's a class that would be entering its third year right now and, under normal circumstances, making a huge impact. A check of the Irish's two-deep, however, reveals that just two members of that 2005 class, receiver David Grimes and fullback Asaph Schwapp, are currently listed as starters. So really, Weis is working with the fifth-year leftovers from Willingham's highly regarded 2003 class (which included four recent NFL draft picks, led by Brady Quinn, as well as baseball pro Jeff Samardzija), his 2004 class that Rivals.com ranked just 40th (and whose brightest star, RB Darius Walker, is gone as well) and a pair of top 10 classes whose members are still extremely young.Now, next year, when those guys are all at least sophomores and juniors, and when Weis adds a freshman class that Rivals.com currently has ranked No. 1 in the country, there really will be no more excuses.

There's probably something to this, however that only explains why they're not vying for a BCS Bowl. There's no way that a major program that is otherwise recruiting well should look as absolutely awful and clueless as they have. Notre Dame should never have less than five wins a year - never. This team looks like they might get two if things break their way.

Two months later, this is

 

[fsufan]

You better hate on the Irish when you can. They will be USC part two five years from now.

what happens in 5 years?do they fire weiss?

they will have a real coach by then

 

[gump]

I talked to a co-worker who is an influencial and very involved ND alum. His thought were that Weis had simply done a poor job this year. They think 5-6 was a decent goal, and don't like the margin of the losses obviously. They are not ready to give up on him though, actually still seem to have plenty of faith in him...but if 08 is close to 07 he'll be in big trouble.

 

[428143]

The deal Notre Dame has with NBC is keeping the program relevant. It sucks for college football fans that have to be subjected to trash like Duke-Notre Dame.

 

[JAA]

ND might be the greatest team to watch this season

 

[eddiezz74]

ND might be the greatest team to watch this season

Not today, unfortunately. Duke is handing them this game. RUN THE BALL OUT AT THE END OF THE HALF DAMMIT!!!Am I the only one watching this mess?

 

[redman]

ND might be the greatest team to watch this season

Not today, unfortunately. Duke is handing them this game. RUN THE BALL OUT AT THE END OF THE HALF DAMMIT!!!Am I the only one watching this mess?

I liken it to a bloody car wreck. I slowed down long enough to see the gore, but I wasn't going to stop and get out of the car.

 

[eddiezz74]

21 points against Duke...I guess ND is back, and Weis really is a genius.

 

[Hammered Finz]

21 points against Duke...I guess ND is back, and Weis really is a genius.

yep5 year contract extension!!

 

[SofaKings]

One of ND's recruits, Jonas Gray, had 304 yds of total offense today and scored 4 td's in a playoff semi-final game today.

 

[gump]

One of ND's recruits, Jonas Gray, had 304 yds of total offense today and scored 4 td's in a playoff semi-final game today.

They are currently #1 in the Rivals rankings....

 

[snitwitch]

One of ND's recruits, Jonas Gray, had 304 yds of total offense today and scored 4 td's in a playoff semi-final game today.

Go Jackets!