Charlie Weis on the move..Florida Gators (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

I thought his hiring was one of the biggest reasons for optimism for Kansas City and that is well documented in an off season thread I wrote. Hearing that he will be leaving is not good IMO. ESPN is reporting it pretty factual but we'll see how it plays out. My initial thought is he can't stand Todd Haley and wil jump back to college if need be. I really thought he would use this position and turnaround of the Chiefs to get an NFL head coaching gig.

Nothing factual to base my opinion on so take it with a grain of salt but I am surprised to see him go be an asst coach at a program that is suddenly struggling and be an asst for a guy from Texas...I just don't see how this is a step forward for him. Especially with the ties he has to the GM in KC.

Your thoughts?

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I thought his hiring was one of the biggest reasons for optimism for Kansas City and that is well documented in an off season thread I wrote. Hearing that he will be leaving is not good IMO. ESPN is reporting it pretty factual but we'll see how it plays out. My initial thought is he can't stand Todd Haley and wil jump back to college if need be. I really thought he would use this position and turnaround of the Chiefs to get an NFL head coaching gig. Nothing factual to base my opinion on so take it with a grain of salt but I am surprised to see him go be an asst coach at a program that is suddenly struggling and be an asst for a guy from Texas...I just don't see how this is a step forward for him. Especially with the ties he has to the GM in KC. Your thoughts?

More money,less work. Charlie is well a past the point in a health-adjusted age context to be a player for an NFL head coach gig.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I thought his hiring was one of the biggest reasons for optimism for Kansas City and that is well documented in an off season thread I wrote. Hearing that he will be leaving is not good IMO. ESPN is reporting it pretty factual but we'll see how it plays out. My initial thought is he can't stand Todd Haley and wil jump back to college if need be. I really thought he would use this position and turnaround of the Chiefs to get an NFL head coaching gig. Nothing factual to base my opinion on so take it with a grain of salt but I am surprised to see him go be an asst coach at a program that is suddenly struggling and be an asst for a guy from Texas...I just don't see how this is a step forward for him. Especially with the ties he has to the GM in KC. Your thoughts?

More money,less work. Charlie is well a pst the point in a health-adjusted age context to be a player for an NFL head coach gig.

Have you seen Andy Reid and his breathing duing press conferences?

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Yes, but at least Reid can stand up for a full game on the sidelines plus he doesn't have the same adverse health history that Weiss has

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

or there's a clause in Weis' contract that states if Muschamp fails this year, the head coaching job is his....

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Dennis Dodd writes...

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- If Charlie Weis is about to leave the Chiefs to become Will Muschamp's offensive coordinator, he is taking a demotion.

Not because of Muschamp or Florida. It's simple football job math: Being an offensive coordinator in the NFL is a much better job than being an offensive coordinator in college -- even at a top 10 program like Florida.

In the NFL you don't have to recruit which means you have more time to do your job. No matter what they tell you, most coaches consider recruiting a nuisance. They know it has to be done, but no one grows up dreaming of recruiting. They grow up dreaming of calling ball plays.

That's what Weis does best. He showed that this season with Matt Cassel and the Kansas City offense. Cassel has become a borderline All-Pro. The running game is the best in the NFL. The offense trusts Weis and Weis trusts his players. If this move happes, though, is suggests some underlying friction between Weis and head coach Todd Haley.

It's no secret that Haley has a combustive temper. The same goes for Weis. This could be a clash of two football minds that can't be rectified. But the fact that Haley brought in Weis suggests the head coach subjugated his ego a bit. Haley employed two former head coaches as his coordinators (Romeo Crennel is the D coordinator).

That's why it becomes more than curious if Weis returns to college coaching. The man is not exactly the picture of health. He has a knee is so bothersome that it might require a replacement at the end of the season. In the middle of all that, he is supposed to recruit for a new boss trying to get Florida back to the top? It's not going to be easy.

That's why there would have to be something significant driving Weis away from Kansas City.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

or there's a clause in Weis' contract that states if Muschamp fails this year, the head coaching job is his....

Not the case at all, no reason for Florida to want Weiss as their head man given what he did at Notre Dame. Muschamp will get plenty of rope, that is three to four years.

 

[hauser42]

This is a bit odd of a move for Weiss. As a Gator fan not sure what to think of this move. Weiss sucked with the Irish, but he would be bringing a pro style offense to the Gators.

There could be an issue with the offensive philosphy between Haley and Weiss. Haley might be looking to do more play calling since he was an OC in the past and wants to take that role over. Could be that two ego clashed and need to part company.

Will be interesting to see who does come in and what happens.

 

[munchkin]

This is a bit odd of a move for Weiss. As a Gator fan not sure what to think of this move. Weiss sucked with the Irish, but he would be bringing a pro style offense to the Gators.There could be an issue with the offensive philosphy between Haley and Weiss. Haley might be looking to do more play calling since he was an OC in the past and wants to take that role over. Could be that two ego clashed and need to part company.Will be interesting to see who does come in and what happens.

Weiss's health issues and his ego are well documented. Maybe he is starting to realize than he needs to take care of the former for a couple of years or he won't be around long to feed the later. Weiss is very creative and has shown he can work well with the pieces given to him. He could have a lot of fun creating a college offense and you would think with his Pro track record kids would want to play for him.

 

[The Jacket]

The Chiefs OC position would be a sweet gig for a lot of coaches, so I'm not really worried about this -- IF it's true. Haley is credited with bringing out the best in Bowe and Charles, while Nick Sirianni, an assistant who works closely with the QBs daily, is said to have had a big role in Cassel's development. The Chiefs' play-calling hasn't been particularly great, IMO. It's looked it in the last few weeks, but I put that mostly down to better execution. For example, calling a pass on 3rd-and-19 isn't some sort of great play-call (as opposed to the runs that were being called earlier in the year); however, a 25-yard dart to Bowe, followed by 50 YAC, makes it work.

Losing Crennel, OTOH, would be a tough one.

 

[hauser42]

Specualtion already that McDaniels could replace Weiss. There is a connection even after the non hand shake.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/...ls-replace-weis

 

[The Jacket]

Simply no chance they bring in McDaniels. The likely reason Weis might bolt -- wanting more control than he has -- would apply exactly the same to McDaniels. Someone will give McD full control over an offense - some struggling, untalented team. Not a run-first team with a HC who has a huge say in the offensive gameplan, game-day strategy, etc.

 

[Steve Tasker]

More money,less work. Charlie is well a past the point in a health-adjusted age context to be a player for an NFL head coach gig.

My perception, based on discussions with former NFL and college assistants, is that coaching college football is considerably harder work. In college - again, not my personal beliefs, but those of people I know - not only do you have to gameplan for your opponent, you also have to actually teach the players how to play the game correctly. To quote a former NFL QB/WRs coach and college QB coach/offensive coordinator - "coaching in the NFL is cake compared to college".

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The Chiefs OC position would be a sweet gig for a lot of coaches, so I'm not really worried about this -- IF it's true. Haley is credited with bringing out the best in Bowe and Charles, while Nick Sirianni, an assistant who works closely with the QBs daily, is said to have had a big role in Cassel's development. The Chiefs' play-calling hasn't been particularly great, IMO. It's looked it in the last few weeks, but I put that mostly down to better execution. For example, calling a pass on 3rd-and-19 isn't some sort of great play-call (as opposed to the runs that were being called earlier in the year); however, a 25-yard dart to Bowe, followed by 50 YAC, makes it work.Losing Crennel, OTOH, would be a tough one.

How was the Chiefs offense last year with the same head coach who was known s an offensive guru? Just a coincidence that under Weiss they were outstanding this year with a top notch run game, a QB with 27TD vs 5 Int, and another all star WR under Charlie Weiss in Bowe? Everywhere Weiss ends up he makes megastars out of a WR and that is well documented with threads here in the SP. Might be a good gig but maybe not with Haley as the HC and looking over your shoulder all the time. Way too much we don't know to assume everything will be dandy with the next guy as OC.

 

[The Jacket]

How was the Chiefs offense last year with the same head coach

3/5 different OL, different WRs, different TE, different RB2. Entirely irrelevant. Weis wouldn't have done squat last year. No one would've. That offense lacked any sort of depth in talent.

Everywhere Weiss ends up he makes megastars out of a WR and that is well documented with threads here in the SP.

Link?Haley's done more for Bowe than Weis ever will, nevermind Fitzgerald, etc. Weis is hardly travelled, and the Patriots WRs scared no one.

Might be a good gig but maybe not with Haley as the HC and looking over your shoulder all the time. Way too much we don't know to assume everything will be dandy with the next guy as OC.

He's an offensive-minded HC. If a coordinator can't handle authority and working with someone, he won't last long in the NFL.

 

[Jason Wood]

Is there anyone else in football with as simple a name that gets misspelled so often?

It's Charlie Weis (one s)...

And I agree this is a baffling move if true. No way Weis has to work less as a collegiate OC, he'll have to recruit like a madman, particularly at a place like Florida. He and Haley must be like oil and water.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

How was the Chiefs offense last year with the same head coach

3/5 different OL, different WRs, different TE, different RB2. Entirely irrelevant.(That's Bull) Weis wouldn't have done squat last year. No one would've(That's your opinion...Hale has breezed thru 3 OCs now in 1 year when you include himself...next hire will be the 4th OC in 16 months). That offense lacked any sort of depth in talent.

Everywhere Weiss ends up he makes megastars out of a WR and that is well documented with threads here in the SP.

Link?1996-Terry Glenn, his rookie season, Weis was the WR coach.

1997-1999-Keyshawn Johnson...Pro Bowl in 98 and 99.

2000-2004...NEP OC and while you may feel NE WR didn't scare anyone, Deion Branch fetched a 1st rounder in a trade...Weis made chix salad out of chix spit.

Golden Tate...All AMerican and Belitnekoff Award recipient

2010-Dwayne Bowe has his best season ever and he was nothing last year and in Haley's doghouse.

Haley's done more for Bowe than Weis ever will, nevermind Fitzgerald, etc. Weis is hardly travelled(Really?...Was an asst under Bill Parcells in NE and the NYJ, then under BB in NE, HC at ND...yeah the guy is very well traveled), and the Patriots WRs scared no one.

Might be a good gig but maybe not with Haley as the HC and looking over your shoulder all the time. Way too much we don't know to assume everything will be dandy with the next guy as OC.

He's an offensive-minded HC. If a coordinator can't handle authority and working with someone, he won't last long in the NFL.

And your last statement...Weis worked under Parcells and BB for many years so he can handle authority. Scott Pioli the GM loves the guy...I think you are way way off on what you wrote here and I feel most others would agree with me. Appreciate you having a different POV on it but it's not based on anything factual that I can see.

 

[Clash of the Titans]

I thought his hiring was one of the biggest reasons for optimism for Kansas City and that is well documented in an off season thread I wrote. Hearing that he will be leaving is not good IMO. ESPN is reporting it pretty factual but we'll see how it plays out. My initial thought is he can't stand Todd Haley and wil jump back to college if need be. I really thought he would use this position and turnaround of the Chiefs to get an NFL head coaching gig. Nothing factual to base my opinion on so take it with a grain of salt but I am surprised to see him go be an asst coach at a program that is suddenly struggling and be an asst for a guy from Texas...I just don't see how this is a step forward for him. Especially with the ties he has to the GM in KC. Your thoughts?

from what i understand he was handcuffed and it was actually haley's offense.............i take it as well to maybe mean he wants one more chance to redeem himself as a college head coach after the debacle in south bend.............he certainly won't have to work the hours as an nfl coach and may be a factor since he is in poor health....and was very close to passing a few years ago......................good to see such a bright mind in the SEC!!!!

 

[RedRaiders]

His son works on Florida's staff also - per Rotoworld.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Dennis Dodd writes...

In the NFL you don't have to recruit which means you have more time to do your job. No matter what they tell you, most coaches consider recruiting a nuisance. They know it has to be done, but no one grows up dreaming of recruiting. They grow up dreaming of calling ball plays.

oh gawd, they better not let him do any recruiting. I think Charlie wants another HC job again and knows he'll never get a Pro Head Coaching.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

More money,less work. Charlie is well a past the point in a health-adjusted age context to be a player for an NFL head coach gig.

My perception, based on discussions with former NFL and college assistants, is that coaching college football is considerably harder work. In college - again, not my personal beliefs, but those of people I know - not only do you have to gameplan for your opponent, you also have to actually teach the players how to play the game correctly. To quote a former NFL QB/WRs coach and college QB coach/offensive coordinator - "coaching in the NFL is cake compared to college".

College football is much more work...on top of what you noted....add in recruiting trips and not seeing your family for weeks/months at a time(this does happen).

 

[DepthCharts]

More money,less work. Charlie is well a past the point in a health-adjusted age context to be a player for an NFL head coach gig.

My perception, based on discussions with former NFL and college assistants, is that coaching college football is considerably harder work. In college - again, not my personal beliefs, but those of people I know - not only do you have to gameplan for your opponent, you also have to actually teach the players how to play the game correctly. To quote a former NFL QB/WRs coach and college QB coach/offensive coordinator - "coaching in the NFL is cake compared to college".

College football is much more work...on top of what you noted....add in recruiting trips and not seeing your family for weeks/months at a time(this does happen).

Sadly, the recruiting time does not apply "that much" to Florida schools, and Florida OC's. It is mostly instate meetings, not gone for weeks/months at a time. That is why the Miami job is so sought after....Not because it's in South Beach, but because the recruits are alrady in your state wanting to come to you. The exceptions (out of staters) are the rare blue chip that he would want to go personally see (not a DL, but a QB!). I think it sadly makes sense with a guy who wants to be near family with the health issues he has had in the past. I think that is the driving factor. Where Weis is, people will come. His resume tilts recruiting wars in some cases.

 

[RenegadeGM]

His son works on Florida's staff also - per Rotoworld.

Seems to me there's a lot of overanalyzing going on here and that Weis just wants a chance to work with his son. Of course, there could be other reasons that will emerge down the road.

 

[TommyGilmore]

His son works on Florida's staff also - per Rotoworld.

Seems to me there's a lot of overanalyzing going on here and that Weis just wants a chance to work with his son. Of course, there could be other reasons that will emerge down the road.

Weis' son is in high school. He's going to be a student at Florida, next fall.Jason Whitlock is speculating that Todd Haley pushed Weis out the door, forcing Weis to take a college job due to a non-compete clause in his contract.