Chaz Schilens ? (1 Viewer)

[shuke]

Did anyone expect that, in his first game back, he would bust loose for 100 yds and 2 TDs?

No, but the performance caused me to further evaluate the situation. This was the worst passing defense the Raiders will be facing the rest of the year and he had 4 targets. Russel is averaging roughly 120 yards a game this year. Gradkowski? Hilarious.

It's one data point. Sure, he was only targeted 4 times. Let's wait and see what happens in his 2nd and even 3rd games back from injury.

Good luck with that.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Did anyone expect that, in his first game back, he would bust loose for 100 yds and 2 TDs?

No, but the performance caused me to further evaluate the situation. This was the worst passing defense the Raiders will be facing the rest of the year and he had 4 targets. Russel is averaging roughly 120 yards a game this year. Gradkowski? Hilarious.

It's one data point. Sure, he was only targeted 4 times. Let's wait and see what happens in his 2nd and even 3rd games back from injury.

Good luck with that.

Good luck with what? Keeping a guy who just came off injury stuck on my bench while waiting to see if he produces, and becomes a respectable WR4/5? Not sure why you feel the urge to be rude.

 

[shuke]

Did anyone expect that, in his first game back, he would bust loose for 100 yds and 2 TDs?

No, but the performance caused me to further evaluate the situation. This was the worst passing defense the Raiders will be facing the rest of the year and he had 4 targets. Russel is averaging roughly 120 yards a game this year. Gradkowski? Hilarious.

It's one data point. Sure, he was only targeted 4 times. Let's wait and see what happens in his 2nd and even 3rd games back from injury.

Good luck with that.

Good luck with what? Keeping a guy who just came off injury stuck on my bench while waiting to see if he produces, and becomes a respectable WR4/5? Not sure why you feel the urge to be rude.

Is wishing one luck now considered rude?

 

[az_prof]

Did anyone expect that, in his first game back, he would bust loose for 100 yds and 2 TDs?

For a first game back after an injury that lasted 10 weeks I thought he did great. What makes me optimistic is that he already displaced Louis Murphy who had played well as a starter and he is clearly the teams best wide receiver.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Is wishing one luck now considered rude?

Let's just say your post appeared to lack sincerity. More importantly, and back to the topic of this thread, what can we realistically expect from Schilens in this offense? Anything north of 60 yds per game and a TD every 3-4 weeks seems like wishful thinking.

 

[Otis]

Thoughts on what this guy can do this year? What's his health looking like? Far as I last heard, he was still pegged as the WR1 there. He looked great the few games he actually played and was healthy. What are the locals in Oakland saying about him?

 

[Donsmith753]

Just traded for him in a dynasty league, didn't give up much but like his prospects if he can stay healthy.

That is a big if though. He's a good buy-low imo.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Thoughts on what this guy can do this year? What's his health looking like? Far as I last heard, he was still pegged as the WR1 there. He looked great the few games he actually played and was healthy. What are the locals in Oakland saying about him?

The guy has an actual QB throwing to him now. Campbell is one of those guys that gets zero love but he put up almost the exact same numbers that McNabb did last year and with far less talent around him. If he stays healthy I can see him getting 800+ with 5-7 tds.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Thoughts on what this guy can do this year? What's his health looking like? Far as I last heard, he was still pegged as the WR1 there. He looked great the few games he actually played and was healthy. What are the locals in Oakland saying about him?

There has been a llot of DHB hype so far.Look at Oakland, suddenly they are better at DL/LB/DBs, they might actually be able to hold teams to under 20 at times this season. I think they will implement a lot of ground attack and their most accomplished receiver is actually their TE. I don't see any of the WRs ripping off 1000/8 but we also have no idea what the ceiling is for some of these guys. I see Campbell managing the games a lot better but keep in mind the Oak OL is atrocious at the Tackle spot and that usually means problems for the QB to set up and step up in the pocket.

 

[SSOG]

Thoughts on what this guy can do this year? What's his health looking like? Far as I last heard, he was still pegged as the WR1 there. He looked great the few games he actually played and was healthy. What are the locals in Oakland saying about him?

The guy has an actual QB throwing to him now. Campbell is one of those guys that gets zero love but he put up almost the exact same numbers that McNabb did last year and with far less talent around him. If he stays healthy I can see him getting 800+ with 5-7 tds.

Ummm... the reason Campbell put up almost the exact same numbers that McNabb did last year is because Campbell played 15.3 games and McNabb played 12.6 games. From week 4 onward (i.e. tossing out the games missed to injury), McNabb posted 3474/20/9. Over the full season, Campbell posted 3618/20/15. Basically, in 3 extra games worth of action, Campbell put up 144 more yards, 0 TDs, and 6 INTs over McNabb. Chase ran his yearly "Rearview QB rankings" where he calculated fantasy points per quarter to come up with an adjusted PPG total and McNabb ranked 5th in the NFL (23.3 points per adjusted game) while Campbell came in 14th (18.4 points per adjusted game). Adding SoS only widened the gap, as McNabb faced the 6th hardest schedule of opposing pass defenses last year.Campbell's not as bad of a QB as his reputation would suggest, but let's not get crazy here. He's a mediocre NFL QB. Mediocre is still a huge upgrade for the Raiders, but it's not like Campbell is secretly a very good QB.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Thoughts on what this guy can do this year? What's his health looking like? Far as I last heard, he was still pegged as the WR1 there. He looked great the few games he actually played and was healthy. What are the locals in Oakland saying about him?

The guy has an actual QB throwing to him now. Campbell is one of those guys that gets zero love but he put up almost the exact same numbers that McNabb did last year and with far less talent around him. If he stays healthy I can see him getting 800+ with 5-7 tds.

Ummm... the reason Campbell put up almost the exact same numbers that McNabb did last year is because Campbell played 15.3 games and McNabb played 12.6 games. From week 4 onward (i.e. tossing out the games missed to injury), McNabb posted 3474/20/9. Over the full season, Campbell posted 3618/20/15. Basically, in 3 extra games worth of action, Campbell put up 144 more yards, 0 TDs, and 6 INTs over McNabb. Chase ran his yearly "Rearview QB rankings" where he calculated fantasy points per quarter to come up with an adjusted PPG total and McNabb ranked 5th in the NFL (23.3 points per adjusted game) while Campbell came in 14th (18.4 points per adjusted game). Adding SoS only widened the gap, as McNabb faced the 6th hardest schedule of opposing pass defenses last year.Campbell's not as bad of a QB as his reputation would suggest, but let's not get crazy here. He's a mediocre NFL QB. Mediocre is still a huge upgrade for the Raiders, but it's not like Campbell is secretly a very good QB.

Had Campbell had the talent, coaching staff had been in the same offense for a decade like McNabb did, then I am sure his PPG would have been much higher, but I am not sure what that has to do with anything. Campbell was top 10 in completion percentage, top 15 in QB rating, once again he was in a new offense, had a horrid o-line and quite possibly one of the worst coaching staffs in the NFL. Oh and for the record... If you compare Campbells first four years to McNabbs first four years its pretty interesting:Campbell - 61.2 Completion % - 10860 Yards - 55 TDs - 82.3 QB ratingMcNabb - 60.1 Completion % - 9,835 Yards - 71 TDs - 77.05 QB rating I see him as a great improvement over what the Raiders had last year and if he gets some good coaching I can see him develop into a pretty good QB.

 

[az_prof]

Schilens makes a good WR4 and a great WR5 because if he stays healthy he has a very good chance of performing as a WR3. So, there is some risk, but good upside, and that is what you want with a 10th round pick or so. He is a lot like MSW was last year. We had been talking about him for a while too and how talented he was when he played but how injuries held him back. He finally stayed healthy for a season and put up WR3 numbers.

 

[SSOG]

Had Campbell had the talent, coaching staff had been in the same offense for a decade like McNabb did, then I am sure his PPG would have been much higher, but I am not sure what that has to do with anything. Campbell was top 10 in completion percentage, top 15 in QB rating, once again he was in a new offense, had a horrid o-line and quite possibly one of the worst coaching staffs in the NFL. Oh and for the record... If you compare Campbells first four years to McNabbs first four years its pretty interesting:Campbell - 61.2 Completion % - 10860 Yards - 55 TDs - 82.3 QB ratingMcNabb - 60.1 Completion % - 9,835 Yards - 71 TDs - 77.05 QB rating I see him as a great improvement over what the Raiders had last year and if he gets some good coaching I can see him develop into a pretty good QB.

Agree to disagree, then. I think if Campbell gets some good coaching, he might develop into an average NFL starter- someone in the QB10-15 range, NFL-wise. I think mentioning his name in the same breath as McNabb's is a massive stretch, although I do agree that a QB in the 10-15 range is a great improvement over what the Raiders had last year.Also, quick question... where's Campbell going to get this "good coaching" you speak of? In Oakland?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Had Campbell had the talent, coaching staff had been in the same offense for a decade like McNabb did, then I am sure his PPG would have been much higher, but I am not sure what that has to do with anything. Campbell was top 10 in completion percentage, top 15 in QB rating, once again he was in a new offense, had a horrid o-line and quite possibly one of the worst coaching staffs in the NFL. Oh and for the record... If you compare Campbells first four years to McNabbs first four years its pretty interesting:Campbell - 61.2 Completion % - 10860 Yards - 55 TDs - 82.3 QB ratingMcNabb - 60.1 Completion % - 9,835 Yards - 71 TDs - 77.05 QB rating I see him as a great improvement over what the Raiders had last year and if he gets some good coaching I can see him develop into a pretty good QB.

Agree to disagree, then. I think if Campbell gets some good coaching, he might develop into an average NFL starter- someone in the QB10-15 range, NFL-wise. I think mentioning his name in the same breath as McNabb's is a massive stretch, although I do agree that a QB in the 10-15 range is a great improvement over what the Raiders had last year.Also, quick question... where's Campbell going to get this "good coaching" you speak of? In Oakland?

Its gotta be better than what he was receiving in Washington. I think Campbell already is an average NFL QB and he has been in a horrible offensive situation each year of his career. I am not saying the guy is going to be all pro, but if you look at his stats and what he has done with his career so far its very comparable to a QB that many consider easily one of the best over the last decade.

 

[SSOG]

Its gotta be better than what he was receiving in Washington. I think Campbell already is an average NFL QB and he has been in a horrible offensive situation each year of his career. I am not saying the guy is going to be all pro, but if you look at his stats and what he has done with his career so far its very comparable to a QB that many consider easily one of the best over the last decade.

Are his stats similar to McNabb's through 4 seasons? Well, if you completely ignore McNabb's rushing stats, and you completely ignore the league-wide context (passing is WAY up compared to the beginning of the decade), and you completely ignore the progression (Donovan McNabb was brutal his first season, while his fourth season was one of the finest seasons any QB has ever had *EVER*, whereas Campbell has been essentially the same guy for four straight years)... if you ignore all of that and squint, then Campbell's stats do sort of look like McNabb's.If you look at what he has done with his career, though, it is in no way comparable to the QB that many consider one of the best of the last decade. Campbell is 20-32 as a starter, while McNabb was 31-17 through four years. Campbell's never posted a winning season, while McNabb had posted 3. Campbell has never made the playoffs while McNabb was coming off back-to-back NFCCG appearances. Campbell's offense has gone from 13th to 15th to 19th to 22nd in yards, while McNabb's had gone 30th, 17th, 17th, and 10th. Campbell's offense has never ranked higher than 18th in scoring, while McNabb's went from 25th to 12th to 9th to 4th.Basically, as I said, any comparison between Donovan McNabb and Jason Campbell is doing McNabb a massive disservice (and giving Campbell far, far too much credit). Doesn't matter whether you compare him to young McNabb, or old McNabb. Jason Campbell is nowhere near the QB that McNabb is, was, or will be.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

In 1999 the top 15 NFL teams averaged just shy of 3,400 passing yards per year and in 2009 the top 15 NFL teams averaged just shy of 3,500 passing yards per year... a whopping six and a quarter yards per game difference. In 1999 the top 15 NFL teams averaged 21.5 passing TDs per year vs 22.2 in 2009. So while there has been more 4,000 yard passers now in the NFL the average has barely changed. So when I squint real hard I see one QB who had a great coaching staff, incredible amount of stability and one that has not. That does not mean Campbell is as good or will be as good as McNabb, my point is that he is no where close to being as bad as people think and he is very comparable stats at this point in his career to some pretty darn good QB's in todays NFL.

 

[Couch Potato]

Also, quick question... where's Campbell going to get this "good coaching" you speak of? In Oakland?

Not that I want to get into this debate too much that you two have going re Campbell, but new Oakland OC Hue Campbell was Joe Flacco's QB coach his first two years (08-09) and has been given some credit for Flacco's development.