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Chaz Schilens ? (1 Viewer)
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Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
How does a report from the same reporter change so much in one day?
What changed in his story? Last thing I read from him said Chaz was questionable and now this. Seems pretty consistent to me.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Are you serious? I think the words "he barely started running" are a bit inconsistent with "questionable".menobrown said:
First off I don't see big difference between "skeptical" and questionable but you clearly are struggling with comprehension so let me help. Jerry Mcdonald said Chaz was barely running and he was skeptical he would play. When Jerry Mcdonal tweeted that Schillens was questionable that was not his opinion but he was reporting what Cable said. You get the difference, right?
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Whatever. First the guy says "he is questionable". Which implies a 50-50 shot of playing. The next day he is skeptical. That's a big shift in one day. Either way, your tone annoys me.Here is an update. Now suddenly Schilens isn't returning before week 6.
rotoworld
BespokeJort
Footballguy
lol questionable is an official team-designated injury report status, not the reporter's personal feeling on whether the guy will play or not (here, his feeling was skeptical). I'm not sure what's so difficult here
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Jerry Mac really has the inside info on all things Raiders, so I take this report at face value.I love Chaz, hope he comes back soon. But I have to separate my
feelings from FF judgments. With bye weeks and injuries, there a number of potentially viable starters on the WW, Chaz is a luxury on most rosters. Let someone else carry a short roster. No guarantee of anything with the QB situation in Oakland.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
People expecting more the 30 catches from Schilens this season are going to be disappointed. He's a guy who has never done anything on a team that may or may not cross into the opponent's territory in a given game.
Water from a rock folks.
Water from a rock folks.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Obviously Russell is struggling right now. He may not be any good at all.
The thing I keep hearing is he isn't being helped by his rookie WRs.
If you are Russell, how difficult is it throwing to guys who may or may not be reading the defense the same way you are? He should be able to trust Miller, but Miller isn't so dynamic that he can be a one man show. By all accounts DHB was very raw coming out, and Louis Murphy is a 4th rounder that's starting. How often do you see that? These rookies aren't ready.
The thing I keep hearing is he isn't being helped by his rookie WRs.
If you are Russell, how difficult is it throwing to guys who may or may not be reading the defense the same way you are? He should be able to trust Miller, but Miller isn't so dynamic that he can be a one man show. By all accounts DHB was very raw coming out, and Louis Murphy is a 4th rounder that's starting. How often do you see that? These rookies aren't ready.
Don't blame it on Murphy. Murphy's holding up his end of the bargain far better than Russell's holding up his end.
stevegamer
Footballguy
Fixed. It really doesn't matter - he can't hit Miller, the backs, whomever. He is terrible.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
I was high on Chaz this off-season but I'm now with the it doesn't matter group. It really doesn't.. I'm convinced that if Russell's three WR's were Reggie Wayne, Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, he'd still struggle. The guy looks lost on basically every play, he couldn't hit water throwing from a boat. If Al Davis wasn't so hard headed, he'd already be pulled. Look at all the other teams that have made QB changes already.. Quinn, Leftwhich, both benched in favor of their backups when I don't believe either of them looked as bad as Russell.
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cubbie5150
Footballguy
I'd much rather take a shot on Bobby Wade
I'm more than willing to give Schilens a shot for a week or two to see what he can do. Sure, JaNormous has looked terrible, but Schilens managed to excel with him at QB in the preseason. Yes, preseason is preseason, but what harm is there in giving him a brief audition?
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
Just traded a future 2nd for this guy and a future 3rd.
I think i should have waitied....
I think i should have waitied....
No. 16
Footballguy
You better hope the Raiders find a QB soon.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
Yeah i know. Its a dynasty and i still like his talent he flashed last yr and this preseason. Although i will admit if i had gave it any 2nd thought i would have tried to get him for a 3rd. Bey and Murphy isnt much ahead of him so he could be something if they get another qb like you say.
netnalp
Footballguy
Rotoworld:
Raiders WR Chaz Schilens (foot) took to the practice field on a "limited" basis Wednesday for the first time in two months.
Schilens was seen catching passes in the regular rotation and appears to be on track to return in Week 6.
Still, the Raiders' putrid aerial "attack" and a possible committee approach with Louis Murphy, Darrius Heyward-Bey, and Johnnie Lee Higgins crushes any upside Schilens might appear to possess.
Oakland Tribune
How far can he be behind? the team has only completed 15 passes to WRs.
Raiders WR Chaz Schilens (foot) took to the practice field on a "limited" basis Wednesday for the first time in two months.
Schilens was seen catching passes in the regular rotation and appears to be on track to return in Week 6.
Still, the Raiders' putrid aerial "attack" and a possible committee approach with Louis Murphy, Darrius Heyward-Bey, and Johnnie Lee Higgins crushes any upside Schilens might appear to possess.
Oakland Tribune
How far can he be behind? the team has only completed 15 passes to WRs.
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Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Thx for the update! I really don't see how Schilens splits time for long....the other guys haven't done a whole lot so far.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Chaz Schilens ?, When will he return
who cares
who cares
... and 12 of them were to Murphy.
Which could mean a few things. Perhaps JaMarcus locks onto one guy - so when Chaz comes back maybe he'll become the go-to man. Or perhaps all the other wr's are really horrible and can't run a route/get open.Chaz was clicking in the preseason so he is worth a flier as long as he costs you virtually nothing to acquire. Is he back this week?
baconisgood
Footballguy
I was briefly on the Chaz train this summer- but I'm off it now for a little while at least. Look at Donnie Avery who has struggled to come back from a foot injury- young players need that time. Perhaps I'll put in a claim i 2-3 weeks, but I'm not carrying him while he works his way back into shape/into the lineup.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I'd be happy to get 20 pts out of him, have matt jones/chaz shillens in contest. please come back...
The Big Guy
Fear the Blitz
I already dropped this guy in my dynasty since the Raiders are so committed to Russell. I can always get him back next year if things change, but I just doubt it.
It's the NFL. Things always change.Starting in 2003, the Rayduh's embarked on a mission of futility unmatched in the annals of NFL history. Oakland has lost 11 or more games in six consecutive seasons, and they're well on their way to adding a seventh (currently on pace for a 3-13 finish). Sometimes they've looked terrible doing it- in Oakland, they call those the "good days". On the bad days, they've looked soul-crushingly awful.Despite that, in 3 of his 5 seasons with the post-SB Raiders, Jerry Porter finished as WR20, WR26, and WR37. Ronald Curry has chipped in with a WR39 and a WR44 performance. Zach Miller, over the past two seasons, has been TE16 and TE11. Justin Fargas was RB23. LaMont Jordan was RB8 (!!!). Kerry Collins put up back-to-back 3500+ yard seasons and finished as QB15 and QB9. I'm not going to pretend that people should be beating a path to the wire to scoop Schilens in a dynasty league before missing out on the next Jerry Rice, but those are the kind of finishes that don't belong on the street. Even amidst the historic monument to despair that the Oakland Raiders have been diligently erecting, there have been pockets of fantasy relevance. Why can't Schilens be one of those pockets? Why can't Oakland bring in another retread QB like Brian Griese as a band-aid next year? And would anyone really be that shocked if Schilens, who wowed us all this offseason, reminded us why we were so high on him THIS SEASON? Schilens is a gamble, but in the end I'd rather gamble on a legit talent in a horrible situation than some guy who's just another name in a long string of weekly wonders.
netnalp
Footballguy
Rotoworld:
Raiders coach Tom Cable said Monday that Chaz Schilens (foot) will likely make his season debut in Week 7 against the Jets.
Cable says the receiver rotation has not been set, but Schilens may as well play a major role right away if he's healthy enough. Neither of the team's starting receivers (Louis Murphy, Darrius Heyward-Bey) caught a pass in Week 6. Still, Schilens' fantasy upside is crushed by an impotent offense.
Raiders coach Tom Cable said Monday that Chaz Schilens (foot) will likely make his season debut in Week 7 against the Jets.
Cable says the receiver rotation has not been set, but Schilens may as well play a major role right away if he's healthy enough. Neither of the team's starting receivers (Louis Murphy, Darrius Heyward-Bey) caught a pass in Week 6. Still, Schilens' fantasy upside is crushed by an impotent offense.
netnalp
Footballguy
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2009...ntees-playoffs/
– Chaz Schilens practiced without limitations and Cable said he’d wait through the rest of the week before determining whether he would start, but anticipated he would play “a ton.”
– Chaz Schilens practiced without limitations and Cable said he’d wait through the rest of the week before determining whether he would start, but anticipated he would play “a ton.”
It looks like even those of us who think he has potential are being reasonable. So it's not like we're expecting top 10 from here on out.
In most leagues, having a #3/4 wr off the ww can be quite a big deal. Chaz was clicking with JaMarcus quite well in the preseason. JaMarcus has been terrible this season but he showed flashes of decency last year. JaMarcus might not be quite as bad as he's looked this year - he's been throwing the ball to DHB and Louis Murphy. Imo neither one of those guys would start on any other team in the league at this point in time.
That's not to say the weapons have been preventing JaMarcus from looking like the next Brees as far as the accuracy goes, but I think it's entirely possible rookie wr's have not been running proper routes, getting consistent separation, or built up a chemistry with JaMarcus.
Basically, you probably have some other scrub you can dump in order to take a flier on Schilens. If he doesn't pan out, you can cut him in a couple weeks and move onto the next gamble. If he does pan out, you have depth/trade bait.
Very low risk, moderate reward.
In most leagues, having a #3/4 wr off the ww can be quite a big deal. Chaz was clicking with JaMarcus quite well in the preseason. JaMarcus has been terrible this season but he showed flashes of decency last year. JaMarcus might not be quite as bad as he's looked this year - he's been throwing the ball to DHB and Louis Murphy. Imo neither one of those guys would start on any other team in the league at this point in time.
That's not to say the weapons have been preventing JaMarcus from looking like the next Brees as far as the accuracy goes, but I think it's entirely possible rookie wr's have not been running proper routes, getting consistent separation, or built up a chemistry with JaMarcus.
Basically, you probably have some other scrub you can dump in order to take a flier on Schilens. If he doesn't pan out, you can cut him in a couple weeks and move onto the next gamble. If he does pan out, you have depth/trade bait.
Very low risk, moderate reward.
LawFitz
Footballguy
First off let me preface by saying that I'm a long time Raiders fan who's seen way too many Raider games over the last six years.
That said, I'd like to stick my neck out (just a little) on Jamarcus' behalf. It is totally true that the guy is severely underperforming primarily because of his own lack of dedication to the game. His footwork is terrible and as a result his accuracy had been extremely poor a lot of the time.
However, he actually has not been as bad as his stat lines would suggest. Two other factors have added to his anemia. First the coaching has been subpar. Cable's a decent guy and I think he still has potential to improve if he can hold on to the job but so far he's been over his head since taking over last season. I won't go into all the details (part of the blame most surely lies in the owner's box) but this factor isn't changing anytime soon.
The other major factor however might be. That is the lack of any reliable receiving options outside of Zach Miller. I can't blame you guys for not paying attention but the ONLY players on this offense that can consistently catch Jamarcus' passes are Miller and Schilens. Part of this problem is that JR has no ability it seems to change speeds on his fastball (call it the Kerry Collins syndrome). As a result all the receivers except for Miller have been CHRONICALLY dropping balls this season. Every game I watch in horror as Murphy, DHB and Johnnie Lee have passes hit them in the hands and then fall to the turf. It's been really, really bad. Even when JR throws on target, it's been too fast/too hard and thus incomplete.
However for some reason, Miller and Schilens seem to have softer hands and have shown consistent ability to catch JR's heaters. For this reason, I think after a few weeks back Chaz will become the true #1 WR on this team. With the coaching issues and JR's other shortcomings, that status may not amount to much some weeks but other weeks it could be huge.
Now I'm not suggesting you drop good players for Chad at this point but if you have an extra roster spot and need help at WR, you might want to consider him for the next few weeks. This week may not be the best one given that he's missed a lot of time and will be matched up against Revis but patience might pay off big time with this guy as early as the second half of THIS season.
FWIW (possibly not much, LOL).
That said, I'd like to stick my neck out (just a little) on Jamarcus' behalf. It is totally true that the guy is severely underperforming primarily because of his own lack of dedication to the game. His footwork is terrible and as a result his accuracy had been extremely poor a lot of the time.
However, he actually has not been as bad as his stat lines would suggest. Two other factors have added to his anemia. First the coaching has been subpar. Cable's a decent guy and I think he still has potential to improve if he can hold on to the job but so far he's been over his head since taking over last season. I won't go into all the details (part of the blame most surely lies in the owner's box) but this factor isn't changing anytime soon.
The other major factor however might be. That is the lack of any reliable receiving options outside of Zach Miller. I can't blame you guys for not paying attention but the ONLY players on this offense that can consistently catch Jamarcus' passes are Miller and Schilens. Part of this problem is that JR has no ability it seems to change speeds on his fastball (call it the Kerry Collins syndrome). As a result all the receivers except for Miller have been CHRONICALLY dropping balls this season. Every game I watch in horror as Murphy, DHB and Johnnie Lee have passes hit them in the hands and then fall to the turf. It's been really, really bad. Even when JR throws on target, it's been too fast/too hard and thus incomplete.
However for some reason, Miller and Schilens seem to have softer hands and have shown consistent ability to catch JR's heaters. For this reason, I think after a few weeks back Chaz will become the true #1 WR on this team. With the coaching issues and JR's other shortcomings, that status may not amount to much some weeks but other weeks it could be huge.
Now I'm not suggesting you drop good players for Chad at this point but if you have an extra roster spot and need help at WR, you might want to consider him for the next few weeks. This week may not be the best one given that he's missed a lot of time and will be matched up against Revis but patience might pay off big time with this guy as early as the second half of THIS season.
FWIW (possibly not much, LOL).
FavreCo
Footballguy
....and at the end of last year. If you can look good with Russell, you have talent and enormous upside. You just have to get off this team somehow.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Schilens has reached a point on this board, similar to what Tatum Bell was to Fantasy Index a few years ago..i.e., just another highly touted,overrated never-has-been type of player I know he's been hurt, and I know he looked good in preseason..but then again, so did Chris Henry, Cincy Wr.
I'm sorry, I just can't get past dumping the other guys on my roster for Schilens..who would you drop for him, Nicks? nope. Maclin? nope. Manningham? nope.Nate Burleson? nope.there's probably 50+ guys who I wouldn't drop for him. I'm not really sure why it's so important to keep talking about Chaz like he's some sort of Jerry Rice v2.0. like I said, Chris Henry tore things up in preseason,and every other preseason for that matter.what's he done in the 'real' games?! not much.
oh,and we ARE still talking about the Raiders, right? the hapless can't get out of their own way Raiders?
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Highway Robbery
Footballguy
This is coaches speak to give the Jets something more to worry about. Schilens is a great WR but is probably 1 week from making a huge impact. This week, his primary role will be to get his feet wet and hopefully open things up as a decoy by drawing coverage from Revis.
simey
Footballguy
I think there is a difference in Schilens and Henry's situations. Schilens was his teams #1 WR going into the season and Henry was not his teams #1 or even #2. Schilens had a great chemistry with JR and he will more than likely get plenty of opportunity on the field if he can remain healthy, whereas Henry gets limited opportunity with the Bengals. JR is not a good QB, but Schilens seemed to make him better when he was in the lineup. If people have hit or misses on their roster, Schilens would be worth a flyer to take that persons spot.
Highway Robbery
Footballguy
You are a Chaz hater!Schilens has reached a point on this board, similar to what Tatum Bell was to Fantasy Index a few years ago..i.e., just another highly touted,overrated never-has-been type of player I know he's been hurt, and I know he looked good in preseason..but then again, so did Chris Henry, Cincy Wr.I'm sorry, I just can't get past dumping the other guys on my roster for Schilens..who would you drop for him, Nicks? nope. Maclin? nope. Manningham? nope.Nate Burleson? nope.there's probably 50+ guys who I wouldn't drop for him. I'm not really sure why it's so important to keep talking about Chaz like he's some sort of Jerry Rice v2.0. like I said, Chris Henry tore things up in preseason,and every other preseason for that matter.what's he done in the 'real' games?! not much.
Who would I take Schilens over?Maclin? Yes. Maclin is a rookie who will be inconsistent at best.Nicks? Rookie. All his catches came from Carr when the game was over. Come on! Rookie WRs never do well.Chaz will be the Raiders #1 WR and he is no Rookie! This is a rare opportunity to get a blossoming WR. This is like MSW 2.0!
massraider
Footballguy
Seriously. I mean, he's had a whole year in the league, what's he waiting for?
Avery
Footballguy
The Raiders have completed something like 20 passes to their WRs all year.I don't think the Jets are all that worried, Schillens or not.
Koya
Footballguy
For those in larger leagues and/or dealing with injuries or byes, none of the guys you mention are available, and have not been available for weeks (Maclin maybe not for a couple weeks). So, you want to lash out at this thread, or should we go to the old "well, I'd like to be in your league!" line.Some of us in larger leagues forsake the WR, and/or get hit by injury and if you have a chance to get a guy who can be a viable #3 for the second half of the season, and maybe even a number 2 come playoff time, well you have to take that chance and get a diamond in the rough.IF he doesnt pan out, so be it. If he does, that could put some teams over the top.I appreciate threads like this - because I dont need someone to tell me that hey, "x" receiver who is not available in most larger, competitive leagues is better than Chad or others who actually are available - and a couple of those available will pan out.Tanner9919 said:Schilens has reached a point on this board, similar to what Tatum Bell was to Fantasy Index a few years ago..i.e., just another highly touted,overrated never-has-been type of player I know he's been hurt, and I know he looked good in preseason..but then again, so did Chris Henry, Cincy Wr.SSOG said:I'm sorry, I just can't get past dumping the other guys on my roster for Schilens..who would you drop for him, Nicks? nope. Maclin? nope. Manningham? nope.Nate Burleson? nope.there's probably 50+ guys who I wouldn't drop for him. I'm not really sure why it's so important to keep talking about Chaz like he's some sort of Jerry Rice v2.0. like I said, Chris Henry tore things up in preseason,and every other preseason for that matter.what's he done in the 'real' games?! not much.
