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Chicago Bears 2012 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)
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flapgreen
Footballguy
If anything, I appreciate Tice's honesty. Can't fault him for that.
Lovie Smith on possible changes on the OL: "I don't speculate on things like that. We were all disappointed with our efforts."
``When he uses his hands, he's OK,'' Tice said of J'Marcus Webb. Tice said when Webb doesn't use hands, he's just a tall guy knocked around.
Tice on the OL: "If I tell you who is playing good, then you're gonna know who I think is playing bad."
Tice on OL inconsistency: "If I knew (why), I'd retire and do clinics."
O-C Mike Tice asked if he will have Jay Cutler: "God, I hope so. Nothing against Jason [Campbell]."
Tice basically says the OL will need help all year long. That totally kills what he can do as a playcaller. He's handcuffed by the OL.
Tice: "When you're calling three-step drops, the last thing..fear is sacks. That's not an excuse. If we don't have rhythm that's my fault."
Mike Tice, "Right now, my resume is not very good."
Lovie Smith on possible changes on the OL: "I don't speculate on things like that. We were all disappointed with our efforts."
``When he uses his hands, he's OK,'' Tice said of J'Marcus Webb. Tice said when Webb doesn't use hands, he's just a tall guy knocked around.
Tice on the OL: "If I tell you who is playing good, then you're gonna know who I think is playing bad."
Tice on OL inconsistency: "If I knew (why), I'd retire and do clinics."
O-C Mike Tice asked if he will have Jay Cutler: "God, I hope so. Nothing against Jason [Campbell]."
Tice basically says the OL will need help all year long. That totally kills what he can do as a playcaller. He's handcuffed by the OL.
Tice: "When you're calling three-step drops, the last thing..fear is sacks. That's not an excuse. If we don't have rhythm that's my fault."
Mike Tice, "Right now, my resume is not very good."
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whitem0nkey
Footballguy
LT Jake Long will probably be a FA, I know like 12+ teams will be interested.
make this happen please. i think we may have enough money, a bit too early to tell.
make this happen please. i think we may have enough money, a bit too early to tell.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Long will demand an incredibly high amount, and he hasn't set the world on fire this year either. We should've went after Winston or Grubbs but that's water under the bridge at this point.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000098705/article/jay-cutler-mike-tice-not-happy-with-chicago-bears-lineThe Bears better get it together in a hurry and I am not sure that they can at this point of the season. The blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Sorry Crunch but this is a reality. I understand your position but when the Bears defense runs into the majority of the elite offenses they look hapless. When they have a bad MU they take a beating- SF, NE and NO come to mind. Unfortunately, with the offense taking another late season nose dive, the defense will be asked to do more and when they break- they crash hard. Of the remaining games, they have 1 softie with the Cards. They will have to pin their ears back with the 4 remaining division games where they will face potential 2012 MVPs in ADP and Rodgers. Seattle has been decent and they usually give the Bears fits. They play the Vikings 2 out of the next 3 games. Minny has no choice but to pound the ball. Everyone knows this. I do not consider them an elite offense but they have an elite player on an MVP pace. The Bears defense does a great job on GB- an elite offense in the past but they are missing some key players. The defense usually breaks at the wrong time vs. the Packers and gives up the late TD. We shall see but the Bears build their teams around defense so this is where they will live and die.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Looks like Carimi demoted too.
Sources tell ESPN Chicago that RT Gabe Carimi has been benched in favor of Jonathan Scott.
Monday night's humiliating performance against 49ers DE Aldon Smith was the straw that broke the camel's back. Despite Carmini's status as a 2011 first-round pick, you can't give up 5.5 sacks and keep your job. Scott is a journeyman that has previously spent time with the Lions, Bills and and Steelers.
Sources tell ESPN Chicago that RT Gabe Carimi has been benched in favor of Jonathan Scott.
Monday night's humiliating performance against 49ers DE Aldon Smith was the straw that broke the camel's back. Despite Carmini's status as a 2011 first-round pick, you can't give up 5.5 sacks and keep your job. Scott is a journeyman that has previously spent time with the Lions, Bills and and Steelers.
twistd
Footballguy
I'd say that it is good that they are doing something. I don't think it will help, but it can't hurt. Carimi will probably be moved in to guard next year. Scott is a journeyman. Spencer has been fairly unimpressive in his chances. But at least they are making some effort to make changes.
flapgreen
Footballguy
The worst part of all of this is that the staff had no backup plan to losing any starters off of what was already one of the worst lines in the league. I don't like Tice, as if that wasn't obvious a long time ago, but even he can't be dumb enough to think we were adequate on the line. I'd like to know who had the last word on us not addressing the weakest link on the team. Everyone else in the league knew the Bears OL would eventually be their downfall. Why would they ignore it?
DoubleG
Footballguy
In the words of Mike Tice, "God I hope so".
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Looks like a nice day for football. The Bears are going to get that running game churned up. Forte will be key to victory!
flapgreen
Footballguy
That was awesome.'DoubleG said:In the words of Mike Tice, "God I hope so".
DoubleG
Footballguy
Tillman is the only one that worries me. Honestly, Hester hasn't done diddly on teams this season - and he's actually worse at WR than his replacements. The o-line seems to be getting better the more guys that get hurt so - whatever (although Louis would be a big loss, to be fair).
William Munny
Footballguy
He did make a nice play to set up the first td.Davis in on 92% of snaps.
DoubleG
Footballguy
They were running a lot of max protect - he's their biggest TE. They were also down to 3 WRs with Hester out.Davis in on 92% of snaps.
Besides, that let's Matt "Hands" Spaeth catch TD's. 
Statcruncher
Footballguy
Uncool. Blame Louis for not being aware of his surroundings. Allen's hit was wicked, but shoulder to shoulder and legal IMO.'flapgreen said:Louis on IR. Damn you, Allen.! I hope you blow out your damn ACL and never play again, punk!
flapgreen
Footballguy
Blame Louis? Wtf. He left his feet and blind sided him. I can see someone not agreeing with the rule, but saying it was a "legal" hit is ridiculous. I'm quite sure the NFL will see it the same way. Lovie didn't seem to care for it either. You're alone on this one.Eta: I don't want Allen's career ended but pissed he took out one of our guys with a dirty hit. That's what is "uncool."Uncool. Blame Louis for not being aware of his surroundings. Allen's hit was wicked, but shoulder to shoulder and legal IMO.'flapgreen said:Louis on IR. Damn you, Allen.! I hope you blow out your damn ACL and never play again, punk!
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Statcruncher
Footballguy
I've posted the rules and according to them it was a legal hit. Let me say it again, leaving your feet to hammer a defenseless player is legal as long as you don't lead with your helmet and target their helmet/neck. It was a legal play.Watch the replay and see what Louis was doing. He was staring at the ball while running a different direction. That's how you get hurt in the NFL. If Louis has awareness out there this play does not happen. Yes, the NFL will probably fine him because Louis got hurt and the NFL wants to keep a caring image, but it was a legal play.Blame Louis? Wtf. He left his feet and blind sided him. I can see someone not agreeing with the rule, but saying it was a "legal" hit is ridiculous. I'm quite sure the NFL will see it the same way.Uncool. Blame Louis for not being aware of his surroundings. Allen's hit was wicked, but shoulder to shoulder and legal IMO.'flapgreen said:Louis on IR. Damn you, Allen.! I hope you blow out your damn ACL and never play again, punk!
DoubleG
Footballguy
No it wasn't - Pereira explains why it wasn't - but let's keep that in the other thread.I've posted the rules and according to them it was a legal hit. Let me say it again, leaving your feet to hammer a defenseless player is legal as long as you don't lead with your helmet and target their helmet/neck. It was a legal play.Watch the replay and see what Louis was doing. He was staring at the ball while running a different direction. That's how you get hurt in the NFL. If Louis has awareness out there this play does not happen. Yes, the NFL will probably fine him because Louis got hurt and the NFL wants to keep a caring image, but it was a legal play.Blame Louis? Wtf. He left his feet and blind sided him. I can see someone not agreeing with the rule, but saying it was a "legal" hit is ridiculous. I'm quite sure the NFL will see it the same way.Uncool. Blame Louis for not being aware of his surroundings. Allen's hit was wicked, but shoulder to shoulder and legal IMO.'flapgreen said:Louis on IR. Damn you, Allen.! I hope you blow out your damn ACL and never play again, punk!
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Im trying to figure out how come you guys were able to look good at times with Grossman and Orton and whatever other rejects... but now when you bring in whichever back up you have to Cutler (since getting Cutler), the entire thing goes into the tank?
DoubleG
Footballguy
The offensive line has gotten significantly worse since then. I know that sounds incredibly simple - but that's it.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I bet our Oline is worse.If they combined the 2...do you think we could field an adequate line? Im not so sure.
Guess they really like the Collins kid.
twistd
Footballguy
After this Seattle loss I think the Bears season is over for all practical purposes. They have demonstrated they can't beat playoff teams. They should make the playoffs, but they won't be able to beat any one of the playoff teams. The Seahawks have been terrible on the road, but they beat the Bears. So home field won't help the Bears. I started to believe in them, that was a mistake, they are a mediocre team who successfully beats the bad teams. They have exceeded the expectations I had before the season started, but they aren't as good as I began to believe.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
This team looks like they have a roster of players stuck in the past. It is an old defense that looked great against lame teams but look tired vs. younger up and rising teams. Wilson and the Seattle coaching staff just out dueled the Bears. That 98 yard drive in the 4th was just inexcusable and knocked this team out for good. They are dead in the water. To think, they could not even run the clock out to finish the Seahawks off before that 98 yard collapse. Why did they even bring in Michael Bush if you cannot power teams down at home and kill the clock with the run? When they lost that coin flip it was ovah.
DoubleG
Footballguy
The defense has gotten worse as the season wears on. That's not good. Oddly, the o-line looked decent pass blocking yesterday against a Seattle D that is very good.
The injury bug, which the Bears had avoided fairly well has bitten hard lately (Conte left the game early, Tim Jennings and Urlacher both out by the OT TD - and yet another WR out). If they can get some people back healthy, they could still make the playoffs. But they need to get healthy and quick.
The injury bug, which the Bears had avoided fairly well has bitten hard lately (Conte left the game early, Tim Jennings and Urlacher both out by the OT TD - and yet another WR out). If they can get some people back healthy, they could still make the playoffs. But they need to get healthy and quick.
RBM
Footballguy
Cold, harsh reality has set in. Between Carimi sucking and losing 3 guards, the run game is gone. Cutler was great yesterday but he's not a do it all guy. Needs balance.The real sad part is how we are witnessing the end of this Ds run before our very eyes, and knowing we are unprepared to get it back anytime soon.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
That concerns me alot more than missing Urlacher to be honest.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
this can stop
RBM
Footballguy
Shea should be learning the position. He will never work with his hand on the ground.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Go tell him you think it's dumb.
The_Wolfman
Footballguy
Yep this is the beginning of the end for our Bears unfortunately. The defense stopped scoring, which is normal, and the offense hasn't stepped it up to the level we needed. The team has been beleaguered by injuries, but so have a lot of other teams. Their record is good enough where they should be able to beat at least one or two of Minny, Arizona and Detroit to make the playoffs, but the Bears aren't anywhere close to making a Super Bowl run.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
Injuries happen to every team, just part of the game. The good news is that none of the injuries seem to be major, so if they can get into the playoffs there's a chance everyone is healthy.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Bad timing of it all for sure.Packers hopefully have their major injuries behind them...but not sure it matters with what they lost...can't see them beating NY or SF right now...(and even fully healthy that is hard to see).
Statcruncher
Footballguy
I have heard rumors that Alshon and Devin may both be back this week.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I don't know if he can do either really well.
flapgreen
Footballguy
The defense has been exposed more because they're not getting any pressure on the QB. I'm not sure why that is.
