sho nuff
Footballguy
Continually? You mean the 9 times (now 10) I have posted out of the 2350 in this thread?So not sure where I am egging on or making fun of a user continually here.But you seemed to chime in to try ding that didn't you?
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Chicago Bears 2012 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Agree on Alshon...actually was more impressed with him at times than I thought I may be (was not a big fan of him and lack of speed and motivation that last year at SC).And I know your negativity is here...but it seems properly placed considering the issues the Bears have.I am positive on most Packer issues...and generally iffy on the Oline...for good reason.
i dont get how the bears can make a proper judgement on cutler at this point. He hasn't had even an average o-line since being a bear. It's clear as a person we know who he is... a d-bag. But as a QB, I still thinkt here is a chance that behind an average o-line he could be really good. Can anyone honestly tell me that there is a QB in this league who would instantly make this bear team a superbowl contender over cutler? I don't think there is one because of how atrocious this o-line is... Jay is pretty good at running around making plays out of nothing.... I only wonder how good he can be if there was an adequate o-line to protect him.
If I were GM... I'd set a priority on creating a strong offensive and d-lines... that can cover a lot of other deficiencies (CB's. WR etc.)
As far as the o-line... is there anything worth salvaging? I dont know what to make of carimi... he definitely was terrible at RT.... and he got benched at guard last game. I can only hope he is playing hurt and that an off-season of rehab on his knee helps him get better. J Webb is done.. he may be playing better lately... but only because he previously was the worst LT in the league... I dont see him developing in to a better player at this point.... he's had 2 full seasons and has been just awful with minimal improvement (he still makes the same damn mistakeS) garza is 33 years old and is servicable at best. Louis had been getting decent reviews from experts but with his injury I'm not sure he can be counted on for the start of next season. Scott has played somewhat solid IMO... worth keeping around hopefully as a swing tackle next year.
I can only hope the dolphins are dumb enough to let Jake Long walk... then the bears would have to throw Julius peppers crazy money at Long... otherwise they have to try again in the draft at LT.
If I were GM... I'd set a priority on creating a strong offensive and d-lines... that can cover a lot of other deficiencies (CB's. WR etc.)
As far as the o-line... is there anything worth salvaging? I dont know what to make of carimi... he definitely was terrible at RT.... and he got benched at guard last game. I can only hope he is playing hurt and that an off-season of rehab on his knee helps him get better. J Webb is done.. he may be playing better lately... but only because he previously was the worst LT in the league... I dont see him developing in to a better player at this point.... he's had 2 full seasons and has been just awful with minimal improvement (he still makes the same damn mistakeS) garza is 33 years old and is servicable at best. Louis had been getting decent reviews from experts but with his injury I'm not sure he can be counted on for the start of next season. Scott has played somewhat solid IMO... worth keeping around hopefully as a swing tackle next year.
I can only hope the dolphins are dumb enough to let Jake Long walk... then the bears would have to throw Julius peppers crazy money at Long... otherwise they have to try again in the draft at LT.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Not tryign to be Packer homer here...but Rodgers has had a crap Oline too (granted...better weapons on the outside)...and has done it mostly without a run game.I think he would make Chicago a contender...I think Manning could because his own play would elevate the Oline a bit (just not sure how long he would last)...his adjustments and ability to get the ball out quick would help.
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flapgreen
Footballguy
Even the biggest Bears homer knows Cutler isn't on the same level as Rodgers, only 3-4 guys are. With a good OL and defense, Cutler is capable of winning a Super Bowl, though. I don't think Rodgers wins a championship with the current Bears roster either.Rodgers entered into a great situation. Sat behind one of the greatest qb of all-time for a couple years. Had a lot of weapons at his disposal as well. He was fortunate. Doesn't happen often now.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Wins a title? Maybe not...but I think the question was make them a contender...and I think he could do that.While Rodgers had the luxury of sitting behind Favre...I would not say he entered under a great situation the way that went down.And yes...he has had the weapons...but not the run game or Oline to help out.Though, I will also say, the Oline takes a lot of hits at times for things that are not always on them. But on Rodgers for holding it too long...or just plain taking the sack rather than risking a bad pass to be intercepted. Many times that ends up being an OK sack to take because they somehow make up for it and convert anyway.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Agree with that.But get rid of your kicker. He sucks.
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twistd
Footballguy
So, with the win in AZ the Bears have a chance of making the playoffs. Any Bears fans excited about that? The Bears must beat the Lions and the Vikings must lose to the Packers, which could happen. If they make it, they will have the sixth seed. They will have to play either SF, Seattle, or the Packers, on the road. They have no chance against Seattle, probably no chance against SF, and a very,very slim chance against the Packers. Normally when the fantasy season ends there is a letdown for me unless the Bears are in the playoffs. Now the Bears are nothing but a letdown.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Can I be miserable with you guys in here?
RBM
Footballguy
That is true.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Heard on radio that this was the first team in 15 years that started the season 7-1 and didn't make the playoffs. 2 straight late season collapses. Damn you Bears!!!! Damn you!!!! ^^"#@!!56^/*8~`}<↓↓□●•◆♧♣♣★☆☆☆☆→:'
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RBM
Footballguy
Heard that too. '96 Redskins I believeHeard on radio that this was the first team in 15 years that started the season 7-1 and didn't make the playoffs. 2 straight late season collapses. Damn you Bears!!!! Damn you!!!! ^^"#@!!56^/*8~`}<↓↓□●•◆♧♣♣★☆☆☆☆→:'
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Benson is too busy not being worried about the offensive line at all.
candymanvandyfan
Footballguy
Players who should be shown to the door:
Brian Urlacher
Devin Hester
DJ Moore
Kellen Davis
Brian Urlacher
Devin Hester
DJ Moore
Kellen Davis
Herb
Footballguy
Really? I understand the disappointment after this season, but to me, Lovie is the most underrated coach in the league. He has consistently put together winning teams with deep flaws. He went to the SB with Rex Grossman for godsake. The last 2 years they were vicitimized by a crap O-line and bunches of injuries. I say this as a Viking fan: I hope like hell the Bears fire Lovie.
RBM
Footballguy
Winning teams? How many playoff appearances? How many playoff wins? I like him and think he's an ok coach, but mediocrity should be unacceptable. And the real killer for him is his inability to field a winning offense. In this league, at this time, you have no shot without an offense.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Being dominated by the Pack for the last 3 years and missing the playoffs 5 of the last 6 seasons and Lovie is underrated? I doubt that. The blame has to fall on Lovie eventually. The guy has no clue on how to run an effective offense. Continuing to fire offensive coordinators that he hires is pointless. How many years does he have to miss the playoffs for it to fall on him and not just the players and coordinators?If I had to guess, they will keep Lovie and the Bears will stumble through another year of mediocrity. I have to hand it to Lovie in one area, though. He's great at being the best of the teams that don't make the playoffs.
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Herb
Footballguy
Without going back and analyzing Lovie's reign, as an outside observer and off the top of my head, I see a team that:-more than once going into the season looked like a bottom 6-8 team personnel-wise that stayed competitive throughout the season.
-went to the SB with Rex Grossman
-Has had huge flaws offensively for his entire tenure (lack of continuity, bad QBs, Mike Martz, crappy WRs, terrible OLs)
-Perennially fields a defense that dominates (until injuries set in)
I think age, esp on the defense, is going to hit this team hard in the next couple years and the personnel that have made the defense so good since Lovie's been there is going to erode, and those factors may get him canned down the road. But I know that since he's been the HC in Chicago, they've been competitive and relevant. And that's more than you can say about most of the rest of the stiffs you've had there since Ditka left.
10-6 and missing out because of a tiebreaker is mediocrity? Really?
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Making the playoffs 3 out of 9 seasons3-5 second half this year after last year's collapse.
2-6 against playoff teams, with one of those Wins coming against a rookie qb in his first NFL game.
The only way this isn't mediocre is if it's something worse than that.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Holy ####! I'll believe it when I see it.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Schefter just said Bears are asking other teams about permission to interview HC candidates
Statcruncher
Footballguy
Amazing to me that Green Bay spit the bit with the opportunity for a first round bye within their reach. To be honest I should have seen it coming. Even when they lose the Packers find a way to shaft the Bears, man I hate them. I wanted to see Chicago make the playoffs, but by missing out they probably avoided another embarassing loss.
I've heard alot of people say Lovie needs to go. I don't have strong feelings either way, but if I had to pick one I'd show him the door. He's not a bad coach, but IMO he's not a coach that makes the team better. His almost decade long history of fielding anemic offenses is inexcusable though. Were it not for incredible defensive performances Lovie would have been picking top 10 most years. His inability to adapt to what is now an offense first league makes it easy for me to say goodbye. It's hard to quantify, but I wonder how much of the defense is Lovie anyway.
As for Tice, I don't know what to do. I think the organization would probably be better off without him at offensive coordinator, but do they really want to change again? I truly think without continuity at offensive coordinator the offense will never reach it's full potential. If Emery can find a gem go for it, but don't change just to change.
Hester should stay, but be taken completely off the offense and become a full time returner again. I will never understand why they messed with perfection. Since he missed the performance bonuses I think his 2013 pay is less than 3 million. That's affordable and gives the Bears a year to figure out if then 31 year old has lost his magic.
Kellen Davis needs to be gone immediately. Someone will need to drive him to the airport, otherwise he probably wouldn't catch the flight. He should probably take Spaeth with him too.
I don't envy Emery, he's got a daunting task ahead of him. Offensively he needs to find multiple O-line, at least one TE, a backup/developmental QB, a solid depth WR. Defense is harder, he's got to figure out which aging pieces need replaced first and start to fill those holes with younger talent. I look forward to seeing what he can do.
Sounds odd, but I'm hoping this is the low point of the Chicago Bears for years to come. Not many people would think of 10-6 as a low point, but if not for an easy schedule this would have been a .500 or worse team. I had fun envisioning the Superbowl as the Bears used record setting defensive scoring to plow through the flotsam of the league. That was pretty quickly tempered when actual playoff caliber teams repeatedly pounded and humiliated the Bears offense and defense. I don't trust anyone who says after watching all 16 games that at 10-6 Chicago had a good year. They had a good record, but 2012 proved they were deeply flawed.
Edited to add: during the typing of this post it appears Lovie was canned, I didn't know I was so powerful.
I've heard alot of people say Lovie needs to go. I don't have strong feelings either way, but if I had to pick one I'd show him the door. He's not a bad coach, but IMO he's not a coach that makes the team better. His almost decade long history of fielding anemic offenses is inexcusable though. Were it not for incredible defensive performances Lovie would have been picking top 10 most years. His inability to adapt to what is now an offense first league makes it easy for me to say goodbye. It's hard to quantify, but I wonder how much of the defense is Lovie anyway.
As for Tice, I don't know what to do. I think the organization would probably be better off without him at offensive coordinator, but do they really want to change again? I truly think without continuity at offensive coordinator the offense will never reach it's full potential. If Emery can find a gem go for it, but don't change just to change.
Hester should stay, but be taken completely off the offense and become a full time returner again. I will never understand why they messed with perfection. Since he missed the performance bonuses I think his 2013 pay is less than 3 million. That's affordable and gives the Bears a year to figure out if then 31 year old has lost his magic.
Kellen Davis needs to be gone immediately. Someone will need to drive him to the airport, otherwise he probably wouldn't catch the flight. He should probably take Spaeth with him too.
I don't envy Emery, he's got a daunting task ahead of him. Offensively he needs to find multiple O-line, at least one TE, a backup/developmental QB, a solid depth WR. Defense is harder, he's got to figure out which aging pieces need replaced first and start to fill those holes with younger talent. I look forward to seeing what he can do.
Sounds odd, but I'm hoping this is the low point of the Chicago Bears for years to come. Not many people would think of 10-6 as a low point, but if not for an easy schedule this would have been a .500 or worse team. I had fun envisioning the Superbowl as the Bears used record setting defensive scoring to plow through the flotsam of the league. That was pretty quickly tempered when actual playoff caliber teams repeatedly pounded and humiliated the Bears offense and defense. I don't trust anyone who says after watching all 16 games that at 10-6 Chicago had a good year. They had a good record, but 2012 proved they were deeply flawed.
Edited to add: during the typing of this post it appears Lovie was canned, I didn't know I was so powerful.
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RBM
Footballguy
Feel the same.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
This organization better learn from it's mistakes and not continue the trend of hiring a HC without HC experience.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Big mistake imo..... Lovie will find another job fast. I can see the Bears doing something dumb like promoting/hiring Tice.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
In the past I could see this, but with Emery I don't think there is any chance this happens.
Mister Martie
Footballguy
Agreed. Bittersweet.I was a big Lovie defender, but it has been essentially the same story every year (good defense and terrible offense). I don't see how anyone could expect next year or any future years to be different. The o-line was bad this year but he had, without question, the most talented offensive players he's had here and the result was basically the same. I think it was time.I wish him the best.
