Chicago Bears 2012 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

[KCitons]

Just wanted to give Bears fans a reminder.

Via Andrew Garda's twitter:

"watching CHI vs SD from last year for an article. initial thought? Holy crap Roy Williams sucks."

Amazing what an off season can do for your WR corp. I guess I should stop complaining about the OL.

 

[twistd]

And to suggest thats its as simple as "better players play end on D and tackle on O" is completely off. They are different positions, require different skills to do different jobs. They are not interchangeable.

And yet, here we are.I'm confused- if Williams is a tackle, why did he play guard last year when luminaries like Lance Lewis, Frank Omiyale, and J'Marcus Webb got plucked to play the position? This conversation seems to have rapidly moving goalposts- the Bears have been plugging in guys all over the place... but positions aren't interchangeable... but they don't need any new faces on the o-line. All of those can't be simultaneously true.

You're the only one fighting the battle that ALL OTs can move into Guard...etc.Williams played Guard because he was recovering from a hamstring. Perhaps he didn't have the same athleticism to go back out to LT...so he played LG because he was an upgrade there.His body, strength, athleticism all favor he is a better LT than Guard.

Williams played guard because he wasn't very good at tackle. I don't think it had anything to do with an injury. He wasn't very good at tackle so they hoped he would perhaps fit better as a guard. He isn't very good there either.If you took the top tackles, according to PFF, Jason Peters, David Stewart and Bulaga, and moved them to guard, they would be very good. If you took the top guards, Mathis, Nicks and Yonda, and moved them to tackle, they would struggle. It does take a somewhat different skill set, but a player who can play tackle well can move in to guard and be successful. Whereas a good guard is going to have a much tougher time succeeding at tackle.You seem to believe that Chris Williams struggled at guard because his skill set is more suited to tackle. I believe he struggled because he just isn't a very good player. I think his best position is as a back up. That is not what you are expecting from a first round pick in his fifth season. I believe that the reason that the Bears are considering moving him to tackle is because some of the younger guys are better options at that left guard position. So now they are looking for a spot for Williams. I think he is a free agent after this year. I doubt the Bears will try to re-sign him. If they do it will be at a back up salary. He will move on as a marginal starter or a back up. He is, in my mind, a failed draft pick. He was the 14th selection in the 2008 draft and he is never going to live up to that draft status. I think he will never be more than a marginal starter at any position in the NFL.

 

[Faust]

Jay Cutler praises Devin Hester among Bears receivers

By Marc Sessler

Writer

Jay Cutler finally has an arsenal of tall, rangy weapons to spread the ball to. The Chicago Bears were aggressive in their pursuit of Brandon Marshall and used a second-round pick to acquire rookie Alshon Jeffery, but Cutler tipped his hat to an old favorite on Wednesday.

"Devin Hester is having the best camp of all the receivers," Cutler told the Chicago Tribune. "So we have a lot of weapons."

There's been talk of limiting Hester's snaps to a package of plays that best use his talents. "Play him 15 (plays), let him touch it 13 (times)," receivers coach Darryl Drake told ESPNChicago.com earlier this month. "In order for him to be effective, we don't need to have him out there playing that many plays. If he's out there, put the ball in his hands. We need to have that package, and (offensive coordinator) Mike Tice -- I promise you -- he's going to do it."

Cutler played devil’s advocate in picturing a role for the 29-year-old Hester:

"I don't think less plays is the answer for him," the quarterback said. "I think we're just going to put Devin in position to be successful every time he's out there. He's getting more and more comfortable with me and I think (Tice's) offense suits his abilities a lot better."

Hester remains the team's return man -- very bad news for all opponents -- but he never worked as a pure receiver. Don’t expect him to take over at wideout this season. It's not unlike the problem the Cleveland Browns face in trying to squeeze Josh Cribbs into a pass-catching role. These guys must be used in a way that creates matchup problems for defenses by maximizing their unusual gifts. Easier said than done in some schemes, but we might finally see Hester operate in a play package that sets him free.

 

[Faust]

Chicago Bears Johnny Knox's season in doubt

By Dan Hanzus

Writer

Johnny Knox didn't participate in OTAs with the Chicago Bears on Wednesday, and it doesn't appear he'll be back on the field any time soon as he continues to recover from a serious spine injury.

Knox said Wednesday he lost 30 pounds following back surgery. He said he's gained back 10 pounds since, but isn't rushing his return. Knox acknowledged his playing status for the 2012 is in doubt.

"I'm not in (any) rush," Knox said, according to the team's radio network. This is my spine, the core of my body that I'm dealing with."

Knox was injured on Dec. 11, when he was hit by Seattle Seahawks defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove as he tried to recover his own fumble following a 17-yard reception. Seattle safety Kam Chancellor poked the ball out of Knox's hands, and as he went to the ground to recover the ball, Hargrove hit the receiver's upper body, bending his torso backward.

Knox said he still has not watched a replay of the injury. Despite his uncertainty about the upcoming season, Knox is confident he will play again.

"I want to get back out there at the beginning of the season, but who knows?" he told the Chicago Tribune. "We're going to see how that turns out."

 

[whitem0nkey]

per zach z

Jay Cutler says it's "a breath of fresh air around here being able to give ideas [to the offensive coaches]"

 

[whitem0nkey]

Urlacher won't be back until training camp, Forte probably won't be there until late in training camp, Carimi is out for a bit, Kellen Davis is reportedly hurt too, Knox is 20 pounds underweight (putting him at a very skinny 6' 165ish) and out indefinitely, Moore is out for personal reasons, Mannelly is still recovering from his ACL.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Chicago Bears Johnny Knox's season in doubt

By Dan Hanzus

Writer

Johnny Knox didn't participate in OTAs with the Chicago Bears on Wednesday, and it doesn't appear he'll be back on the field any time soon as he continues to recover from a serious spine injury.

Knox said Wednesday he lost 30 pounds following back surgery. He said he's gained back 10 pounds since, but isn't rushing his return. Knox acknowledged his playing status for the 2012 is in doubt.

"I'm not in (any) rush," Knox said, according to the team's radio network. This is my spine, the core of my body that I'm dealing with."

Knox was injured on Dec. 11, when he was hit by Seattle Seahawks defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove as he tried to recover his own fumble following a 17-yard reception. Seattle safety Kam Chancellor poked the ball out of Knox's hands, and as he went to the ground to recover the ball, Hargrove hit the receiver's upper body, bending his torso backward.

Knox said he still has not watched a replay of the injury. Despite his uncertainty about the upcoming season, Knox is confident he will play again.

"I want to get back out there at the beginning of the season, but who knows?" he told the Chicago Tribune. "We're going to see how that turns out."

When it happened, I was surprised that he wasn't paralyzed. I never thought he would be able to play this season. I already dropped him in dynasty months ago. Hope he is able to play again, but I knew there was going to be no way it would be soon.

 

[RBM]

Williams and Webb split reps at LT as expected. So glad they are having a competition for it.

 

[flapgreen]

Williams and Webb split reps at LT as expected. So glad they are having a competition for it.

Looks like the coaching staff is starting to recognize something most of us already knew. JW sucks!

 

[KCitons]

I know this was discussed a few pages back. But, this statement by Drake in Wright ESPN article bugs me.

“The talent has always been there. It’s just a matter of not having him play 70 plays and throw to him twice,” Drake said. “Play him 15 (plays), let him touch it 13 (times). In order for him to be effective we don’t need to have him out there playing that many plays. If he’s out there, put the ball in his hands."

Hmm, so when Hester is on the field, we are going to force the ball to him. This is exactly why a good receiver, is a good receiver. Because he can be on the field 98% of the time. He can block and do other things to keep the defense guessing when he is going to get the ball.

It should be easy for defenses this season. If Hester is on the field, there is an 86% chance he is going to get the ball. It's time for this staff to just shut up. Sometimes things are better left unsaid.

 

[3nOut]

I know this was discussed a few pages back. But, this statement by Drake in Wright ESPN article bugs me.

The talent has always been there. Its just a matter of not having him play 70 plays and throw to him twice, Drake said. Play him 15 (plays), let him touch it 13 (times). In order for him to be effective we dont need to have him out there playing that many plays. If hes out there, put the ball in his hands."

Hmm, so when Hester is on the field, we are going to force the ball to him. This is exactly why a good receiver, is a good receiver. Because he can be on the field 98% of the time. He can block and do other things to keep the defense guessing when he is going to get the ball.

It should be easy for defenses this season. If Hester is on the field, there is an 86% chance he is going to get the ball. It's time for this staff to just shut up. Sometimes things are better left unsaid.

Why is everyone getting all worked up about this? Do you really believe Hester is the #2 option? Devin Hester has special skills and can can sme damage in certain situations but he will be our #4 WR, behind Marshall, Jeffrey, and Bennett. Do you think Cutler will force him the ball in those packages if Marshall is seeing 1-on-1 coverage? My guess is that he will be used as a decoy, an outlet for Cutler, and so that defenses cannot double team Marshall. Its all about mismatches and whos open when. Defenses would be stupid to think, "oh oh, Hester is on the field, so he's going to get it". Will they be aware of his presence? Sure, but what are they going to do? Double team Hester at the expense of leaving somoene else open? Hester will be used, and he will be effective.... as the Bears #4 WR.ETA: And what would you prefer, Hester actually being on the filed for 70 plays taking other more skilled WRs off the field?

 

[DoubleG]

I know this was discussed a few pages back. But, this statement by Drake in Wright ESPN article bugs me.

“The talent has always been there. It’s just a matter of not having him play 70 plays and throw to him twice,” Drake said. “Play him 15 (plays), let him touch it 13 (times). In order for him to be effective we don’t need to have him out there playing that many plays. If he’s out there, put the ball in his hands."

Hmm, so when Hester is on the field, we are going to force the ball to him. This is exactly why a good receiver, is a good receiver. Because he can be on the field 98% of the time. He can block and do other things to keep the defense guessing when he is going to get the ball.

It should be easy for defenses this season. If Hester is on the field, there is an 86% chance he is going to get the ball. It's time for this staff to just shut up. Sometimes things are better left unsaid.

Why is everyone getting all worked up about this? Do you really believe Hester is the #2 option? Devin Hester has special skills and can can sme damage in certain situations but he will be our #4 WR, behind Marshall, Jeffrey, and Bennett. Do you think Cutler will force him the ball in those packages if Marshall is seeing 1-on-1 coverage? My guess is that he will be used as a decoy, an outlet for Cutler, and so that defenses cannot double team Marshall. Its all about mismatches and whos open when. Defenses would be stupid to think, "oh oh, Hester is on the field, so he's going to get it". Will they be aware of his presence? Sure, but what are they going to do? Double team Hester at the expense of leaving somoene else open? Hester will be used, and he will be effective.... as the Bears #4 WR.

If Drake says this, teams are going to have to account for Hester even moreso when he is on the field (if they buy it). That said, you can only focus on so much. Imagine it's 3rd and 5, the Bears go shotgun, 4 wide, no TE and Forte or Bush in the backfield just off Cutler's left hip. Your 4 WRs are Hester, Bennet, Marshall, and Jeffrey. DC - whacha gonna do?Oh, hell yes.

 

[Statcruncher]

I think everyone knows Drake was throwing out random numbers when he said 13/15, you can't put a player out there and have the defense know he's got an 87% chance of being the intended target. Honestly if Knox weren't injured and was able to be the deep threat I would have no problems with Hester never seeing an offensive snap. Unfortunately Knox's injury leaves Hester as the only real deep threat so the offense needs him. Hester can be an effective WR at times, but he's all world as a returner. When calculating his playing time on offense the primary question should be "how much can he handle without diminishing his returns?". I hope in reality Hester will wind up at about 10/20.

 

[candymanvandyfan]

I mean this next remark in the nicest, most respectful way possible, but Devin Hester is a terrible wide receiver.

Here's the problem...All the things a wide receiver needs to do to get in a position to get the ball and to receive it in bounds cleanly are much, much more important than what the wide receiver can notionally do with it if he happens (by some kind of miracle) to get the ball. This is why Hester is such a gifted return man...He's ALWAYS OPEN on these punts by way of a formation in which, when the ball is snapped, he is yards away from everybody. That doesn't happen as a wide receiver. Berries don't just fall into your mouth. Roses don't grow in the vase. Lemonade doesn't grow on trees.

He's small, weak, inconsistent...his feet are all over the place...He falls down. His pace is jaggedy and uneven. He's awful in the air.

The Bears pay him too much to "just be a returner," and every preseason, we hear the same organizational shtick. I can't tell if they actually believe it or if they're trying to sell somebody. Some days I feel as though they are trying to sell themselves.

 

[Vector]

I mean this next remark in the nicest, most respectful way possible, but Devin Hester is a terrible wide receiver. Here's the problem...All the things a wide receiver needs to do to get in a position to get the ball and to receive it in bounds cleanly are much, much more important than what the wide receiver can notionally do with it if he happens (by some kind of miracle) to get the ball. This is why Hester is such a gifted return man...He's ALWAYS OPEN on these punts by way of a formation in which, when the ball is snapped, he is yards away from everybody. That doesn't happen as a wide receiver. Berries don't just fall into your mouth. Roses don't grow in the vase. Lemonade doesn't grow on trees.He's small, weak, inconsistent...his feet are all over the place...He falls down. His pace is jaggedy and uneven. He's awful in the air. The Bears pay him too much to "just be a returner," and every preseason, we hear the same organizational shtick. I can't tell if they actually believe it or if they're trying to sell somebody. Some days I feel as though they are trying to sell themselves.

In one aspect I agree. Hester is not a "natural" receiver. However it's a little to easy to say he is terrible. The Bears have never had a true #1 receiver for a guy like Hester to compliment. Before we toss him into the scrap heap we need to look at what he can do for an offense as a field stretching weapon that has the oportunity to get behind the secondary when the safeties hve to truely worry about a top flight #1 like Marshall.Hester has been asked to do things the past couple years that he is just not capable of doing without that mandatory alternate focus. I think he could be a great 1 or 2 clean deep shot guys that will hit every other game or so. He may surprise if Tice keeps his opportunities well camouflaged. Opinions are great, but patience with a player who has been asked to do more than his skills allow but has an opportunity to work with a true #1 to allow him to do the things he excels at is needed.If after this year he cannot contribute in this role we can then start to say he is a pure return specialist and nothing else. Let's give him a chance with Marshall for a year though before we say he cannot contribute in the passing game.As for his route running, I also agree somewhat. But you exagerate to the point that you make him sound like a clutx. Hester is far from a clutz, he just cannot beat a corner who has protection over the top from a safety. If that safety can't protect the corner... he is dangerous. I've seen that from him on occasion. You may be right, but I'm willing to wait and see how he performs and hoe Tice uses him this year before making that final judgement.

 

[DoubleG]

I mean this next remark in the nicest, most respectful way possible, but Devin Hester is a terrible wide receiver. Here's the problem...All the things a wide receiver needs to do to get in a position to get the ball and to receive it in bounds cleanly are much, much more important than what the wide receiver can notionally do with it if he happens (by some kind of miracle) to get the ball. This is why Hester is such a gifted return man...He's ALWAYS OPEN on these punts by way of a formation in which, when the ball is snapped, he is yards away from everybody. That doesn't happen as a wide receiver. Berries don't just fall into your mouth. Roses don't grow in the vase. Lemonade doesn't grow on trees.He's small, weak, inconsistent...his feet are all over the place...He falls down. His pace is jaggedy and uneven. He's awful in the air. The Bears pay him too much to "just be a returner," and every preseason, we hear the same organizational shtick. I can't tell if they actually believe it or if they're trying to sell somebody. Some days I feel as though they are trying to sell themselves.

In one aspect I agree. Hester is not a "natural" receiver. However it's a little to easy to say he is terrible. The Bears have never had a true #1 receiver for a guy like Hester to compliment. Before we toss him into the scrap heap we need to look at what he can do for an offense as a field stretching weapon that has the oportunity to get behind the secondary when the safeties hve to truely worry about a top flight #1 like Marshall.Hester has been asked to do things the past couple years that he is just not capable of doing without that mandatory alternate focus. I think he could be a great 1 or 2 clean deep shot guys that will hit every other game or so. He may surprise if Tice keeps his opportunities well camouflaged. Opinions are great, but patience with a player who has been asked to do more than his skills allow but has an opportunity to work with a true #1 to allow him to do the things he excels at is needed.If after this year he cannot contribute in this role we can then start to say he is a pure return specialist and nothing else. Let's give him a chance with Marshall for a year though before we say he cannot contribute in the passing game.As for his route running, I also agree somewhat. But you exagerate to the point that you make him sound like a clutx. Hester is far from a clutz, he just cannot beat a corner who has protection over the top from a safety. If that safety can't protect the corner... he is dangerous. I've seen that from him on occasion. You may be right, but I'm willing to wait and see how he performs and hoe Tice uses him this year before making that final judgement.

I agree with a lot of what both of you are saying.Hester, clearly does not posess many WR skills. He doesn't adjust to the ball well in the air, he doesn't "attack" the ball to get it, he doesn't do well in traffic and doesn't use his body well - either while the ball is in the air or to get position. He has two things working in his favor - he his very fast and he his elusive in the open field. If Tice can maximize the latter while minimizing the need for Hester to do the former, he can be effective. Adding Marshall to the mix may help a great deal, as it will force teams to focus on Marshall (and Jeffrey) - so instead of Hester drawing the best cover CB or having help over the top, those coverages may very well be rolled to Marshall - leaving Hester more room to operate and opportunities that he hasn't had in recent years.I am willing to let Tice try to use Hester in that regard. Not as a go-to guy, not some goofy "Hester Ratio" but as a tertiary deep threat and situational "gadget" player (i.e. WR screen, end around, etc.)

 

[Faust]

Bears coaches surprised by Michael Bush's versatility

By Dan Hanzus

Writer

Michael Bush is turning heads for a surprising reason in his initial workouts with the Chicago Bears.

The running back, signed as an unrestricted free agent in the offseason, has impressed coaches with his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield.

Len Pasquarelli of The Sports Xchange called it "an epiphany of sorts to some coaches" on Chicago's staff.

Though the Bears ostensibly signed Bush as a power runner to complement starter Matt Forte, Bush showed signs of a more varied game when he had a career-high 37 receptions last season with the Oakland Raiders.

Forte -- who is not participating in OTAs due to a contract dispute -- is known as one of the best receivers out of the backfield in the game. If Forte's squabbles with management take a nastier turn, Bush's apparent versatility should help them keep their offensive gameplan in place.

 

[flapgreen]

Hester turns 30 this season. His likelihood to maintain his speed and/or progress as a wide receiver is minimal at this point. A few of the potentially most productive seasons of his career were wasted at wide receiver. He could've set records that would've never been broken and possibly gotten the Bears an extra win or two each season if left as primarily a return guy. I realize money went into the decision also, but it's a shame nonetheless. I'll never respect Lovie as much because of that horrid mistake that most people saw long before he did, not that he or anyone else cares what I think. Sadly, I don't think they have much of a choice at this point but to give it one more try in a different offense. His speed as a returner can't last much longer, if at all.

 

[cstu]

I know this was discussed a few pages back. But, this statement by Drake in Wright ESPN article bugs me.

“The talent has always been there. It’s just a matter of not having him play 70 plays and throw to him twice,” Drake said. “Play him 15 (plays), let him touch it 13 (times). In order for him to be effective we don’t need to have him out there playing that many plays. If he’s out there, put the ball in his hands."

Hmm, so when Hester is on the field, we are going to force the ball to him. This is exactly why a good receiver, is a good receiver. Because he can be on the field 98% of the time. He can block and do other things to keep the defense guessing when he is going to get the ball.

It should be easy for defenses this season. If Hester is on the field, there is an 86% chance he is going to get the ball. It's time for this staff to just shut up. Sometimes things are better left unsaid.

Why is everyone getting all worked up about this? Do you really believe Hester is the #2 option? Devin Hester has special skills and can can sme damage in certain situations but he will be our #4 WR, behind Marshall, Jeffrey, and Bennett. Do you think Cutler will force him the ball in those packages if Marshall is seeing 1-on-1 coverage? My guess is that he will be used as a decoy, an outlet for Cutler, and so that defenses cannot double team Marshall. Its all about mismatches and whos open when. Defenses would be stupid to think, "oh oh, Hester is on the field, so he's going to get it". Will they be aware of his presence? Sure, but what are they going to do? Double team Hester at the expense of leaving somoene else open? Hester will be used, and he will be effective.... as the Bears #4 WR.

If Drake says this, teams are going to have to account for Hester even moreso when he is on the field (if they buy it). That said, you can only focus on so much. Imagine it's 3rd and 5, the Bears go shotgun, 4 wide, no TE and Forte or Bush in the backfield just off Cutler's left hip. Your 4 WRs are Hester, Bennet, Marshall, and Jeffrey. DC - whacha gonna do?Oh, hell yes.

I'll rather have Kellen Davis on the field than Hester. Marshall and Jeffrey are more than enough threat deep and Bennett, Davis and Forte for the underneath stuff. That's gonna be tough for defenses to handle.

 

[Faust]

Excerpt from Peter King's MMQB:

Big shoes for Phil Emery.

It's crazy to think that the Bears, one of the flagship franchises in NFL history, have had five general managers. Just five. Consider that the first two were George Halas and Jim Finks, and you've got an idea of the pressure that Phil Emery, 53, has felt in the four months since he replaced the fired Jerry Angelo as GM of the Bears.

Talk about unlikely career ascensions. Fifteen years ago, Emery was strength and conditioning coach at the U.S. Naval Academy, where he also taught physical education. In that job at Navy and other college jobs before, he'd see the scouts pass through, some with the metal bar stretching from back passenger window to back passenger window, and two weeks' worth of clothes hung up. "I just always wanted to be a scout,'' he said. "It always fascinated me how they had their own little culture, and I thought it would be a great way to make a living, to identify and analyze the best players, and figure out who would fit with your team.''

At Navy, Emery spent time with Steve Belichick, the academy's original strength and conditioning coach, and learned much about scouting -- because at the time Steve was doing some of it for son Bill, then the coach of the Browns. "Just sitting and talking football with Steve was invaluable,'' Emery said.

Ironically, Emery never had much of a relationship with Bill Belichick, but he learned a lot of football from three of those closest to Bill: his father, obviously, and former New England underlings Scott Pioli and Thomas Dimitroff. After breaking into the business as an area scout with the Bears in 1998, he became the Falcons' director of college scouting in Atlanta in 2004. But when Dimitroff took over as GM of the Falcons in 2008, he demoted Emery to regional scout, something that Emery -- if you believe his strident words -- never took offense to. "I never thought of quitting,'' he said. "I've always thought, whatever my task is, just do it.'' A year later, Pioli hired Emery as director of college scouting in Kansas City, and that's how he springboarded to the Bears in January.

Emery's philosophy, he said, is to find players with growth potential, who make plays, who play like they love football. "I want the players with the high ceilings, with the largest capacity for growth,'' he said. "And I believe every aspect of that player is on tape. You can see him, you can read him.''

Emery's feelings on the tape will be tested with two new receivers: veteran Brandon Marshall and rookie second-rounder Alshon Jeffery. He traded two third-round picks for the troubled Marshall, and he traded up in the second round to get Jeffery, who had a poor 2011 season at South Carolina, with only 49 catches.

But Emery believed in Jeffery, in part because of his 23 career touchdowns, in part because of his hungry play around the goal line, and in part because of the consistent effort he showed. With Marshall, diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, Emery ignored much of the disruptive behavior that was on Marshall's resume from Denver and Miami (former Dolphin Joe Rose, now a talk show host in Miami, said last week Marshall was "the most selfish Dolphin I've ever seen") to reunite him with quarterback Jay Cutler.

"People have the capacity to change,'' Emery said. "He's an intelligent guy, and he's accepted his faults, and he's working toward improving them. I thought about it a lot. Isn't that what we'd want out of our children? They might stumble, but when they do, they seriously try to improve their lives. We felt if there was a place Brandon would fit, it was here.''

Emery will have a difficult road getting running back Matt Forte signed, to be sure; the talented running back and the Bears have been sparring over a contract for nearly a year. But just as important, I believe (and maybe more) is the state of the offensive line. Emery, when he took the job, did a needs analysis of the team. He felt he needed to get weapons for Cutler. He felt he needed a pass-rusher opposite Julius Peppers. He felt he needed offensive line help. "We just didn't feel, at the time we picked, that the list of players on the offensive line was as good as the players elsewhere,'' he said.

You can't solve every problem in the same offseason, and Emery has certainly addressed two need areas with good prospects and one good (if his head stays on right) veteran wideout. But the success or failure of the Bears could come down to how well they run -- assuming Forte is that runner -- and how well Cutler is protected, so he can be the premier quarterback he's shown signs of in Chicago. Emery has done well so far, but a lot of teams look good in May. His report card will come when we see how the offense produces.

 

[Faust]

Bears offense could resemble old Vikings attack

By Brian McIntyre NFL.com

With Mike Tice replacing Mike Martz as the Chicago Bears offensive coordinator, opposing defensive coordinators may be wise to review game film of the Minnesota Vikings offense from 2002 to 2005. Tice was the Vikings' head coach during those years, and while he wasn't involved in the play-calling, he was involved in the shaping of the system, writes Dan Pompei of the Chicago Tribune.

"Mike was very involved in the offense in Minnesota," said current Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Scott Linehan, who was the Vikings coordinator under Tice. "He was an offensive head coach. I leaned on him heavily. He had lots of very good ideas."

In the first three years under Tice, the Vikings ranked second (2002), first (2003) and fourth (2004) in total offense per game, a big-play offense led by quarterback Daunte Culpepper and wide receiver Randy Moss.

The Bears have a similar big-play threat at those positions in Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall, who connected over 200 times for more than 2,500 yards and 13 touchdowns over the course of the 2007 and 2008 seasons with the Denver Broncos. Whereas Moss was the only receiving threat those Vikings teams had at the position, the Bears have better depth at wide receiver with Devin Hester, 2012 second round Alshon Jeffery and Earl Bennett.

As a former NFL tight end, Tice features that position prominently with Pompei noting that the Vikings used multiple tight end formations on 43 percent of the plays. With the New England Patriots showing how effective two-tight end personnel groupings can be, the Bears could do the same this season.

No team has tight ends as good as Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez, but the 6-foot-6, 262-pound Kellen Davis could be used in more of a traditional role as an in-line tight end, while at 6-foot-1 and 233 pounds, 2012 fourth round pick Evan Rodriguez being used as a "move" tight end, lining up wide, flexed in the slot or as an H-back in the backfield.

 

[mbuehner]

Oh good, another antiquated 90s style offense. Next year look for new Bears offensive coordinator Marty Schottenheimer to install the run and shoot.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Oh good, another antiquated 90s style offense. Next year look for new Bears offensive coordinator Marty Schottenheimer to install the run and shoot.

Every offensive play will work if executed correctly and they have the right personnel.

 

[flapgreen]

Oh good, another antiquated 90s style offense. Next year look for new Bears offensive coordinator Marty Schottenheimer to install the run and shoot.

Every offensive play will work if executed correctly and they have the right personnel.

Need to bring back Sid Luckman and the T formation.

 

[DoubleG]

Oh good, another antiquated 90s style offense. Next year look for new Bears offensive coordinator Marty Schottenheimer to install the run and shoot.

No offense, but the Tice offenses in Minny were 2002 and following (not the 90s). Secondly, the article talks about the Patriots double TE packages - something that seemed to work fairly well in 2011. Third, nowhere does the article say or even hint that Tice is installing his "old Viking" offense. Just that Tice is an offensive-minded coach and has "very good ideas".On the other hand you are, of course, welcome to join in flap's chorus of urinating on every positive post or semi-positive post that appears herein.

 

[flapgreen]

:urinatesfuriously:

 

[boubucarow]

:urinatesfuriously:

Thanks for making me think about Johnny Drama angrily urinating.

 

[DoubleG]

:urinatesfuriously:

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/06/05/cosell-talks-the-perception-and-reality-of-jay-cutler/

 

[DoubleG]

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/06/05/cosell-talks-the-perception-and-reality-of-jay-cutler/

I keep trying to tell people in the "Top 10 QB" thread, but they don't listen. Oh well, their loss. Jay and B-Marsh will take us to the promised land. Let's go!!

 

[werdnoynek]

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/06/05/cosell-talks-the-perception-and-reality-of-jay-cutler/

I keep trying to tell people in the "Top 10 QB" thread, but they don't listen. Oh well, their loss. Jay and B-Marsh will take us to the promised land. Let's go!!

i think the addition of jeffrey will help him immensely as well. with cutlers fearless, throw into any coverage mentality, i don't think there's a better rookie for the job across from marshall. i think i'll be targetting cutler (and probably one of the two top rookie QB's) in redraft leagues this season instead of going for one of the top guns in the first few rounds. i expect big things, but as a packer fan nothing rodger's-esque lol...

 

[Faust]

Jason Campbell adjusts to a new role with Bears

By Dan Hanzus

Writer

Jason Campbell isn't used to this is.

In 70 of 71 games over seven seasons as a pro, Campbell has been his team's starting quarterback. That changed when he signed a deal to be Jay Cutler's backup with the Chicago Bears.

There will be no quarterback competition this summer. No preseason hot streak that will give Lovie Smith pause. Cutler is The Man in Chicago, and Campbell's job is simply to be ready.

“I’ve been through learning new offenses a couple times, so that part I’ve already adapted to,” Campbell told the official team site at Bears OTAs. “I’m just trying to learn this new role, understanding that a lot of what you do is going to come from the classroom and mental reps more than physically getting reps.”

As we wrote about earlier, the Bears scored big in landing Campbell, a highly capable QB who could start for several teams. The absence of a capable backup QB buried the Bears last season after Cutler went down with a broken thumb. The signing of Campbell is the team's way of saying, "Yep, we messed that up. We'll be prepared next time."

It's Campbell's job to adjust to a new way of thinking. He's not going to get nearly as many practice reps as he's had in the past. More than ever, his job is about preparation.

“Last year there were nine starting quarterbacks that got hurt in the league, including myself," he said, displaying himself as a businessman who clearly did his research. "So it’s just as important as any other position on the field, and I have to approach it that way each and every week. I can’t just get relaxed because you’ve always got to stay ready.”

Campbell is making elite money for a backup QB, playing in Chicago on a one-year, $3.5 million deal. Though he's clearly open to a new experience this season, we'd be surprised if Chicago is a long-term home.

 

[Faust]

Devin Hester thinks kickoff returns will be limited

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

We've heard a lot about the "Devin package" this offseason. The Chicago Bears have talked up Devin Hester's role in the offense repeatedly, just like they do every offseason.

The plan is to create special plays for Hester on offense and let him defend his league-leading punt return average. It sounds like Hester will not be involved on kickoffs much.

"I think every now and then, I'm going to do kickoffs," said Hester, according to a Tuesday report from the Chicago Tribune. "It will depend on how the game is going."

The Bears already have talked up free-agent addition Eric Weems as the man to replace Hester on returns. They also signed Devin Thomas, as they prepared to move Hester off kickoffs, something he hasn't been that effective doing in recent years anyway.

The news brings up a familiar debate in Chicago: Should the Bears "waste" Hester's energy on offense when he could save it for returns?

He isn't ranked so high on the "Top-100: Players of 2012" because of his wideout skills.

Based on the reduction in Hester's kickoff duties, this isn't a debate that is likely to end anytime soon.

 

[Faust]

Matt Forte not looking to be league's best-paid back

By Dan Hanzus

Writer

Matt Forte proved again last season that he's one of the league's most versatile and productive running backs. His contemporaries obviously agree, ranking him the No. 33 on the NFL Network's "Top 100: Players of 2012."

And while praise from fellow players and publicity from the league's network are surely nice, Forte still seems miles away from a long-term deal with the Chicago Bears.

Bears linebacker Lance Briggs backed Forte on Wednesday when he told a radio station, "He isn't letting any of the teammates down because it's Matt's life."

In an appearance on the "Top 100" after show, Forte discussed the situation that's unfortunately become the chief narrative of his NFL existence.

"It's unfortunate that the organization (can) treat it as a business, when the player does he gets frowned upon," he said. "But you have to make due with what's best for you and your family. All my teammates know I'm going to be there for them and give them the best in my heart out there on the field."

Forte was asked by Lindsay Rhodes if he wants to be the NFL's highest-paid back.

"Definitely not," he said. "I just want to be given a contract where I rank among some of the top running backs. Not the top paid or anything like that. I just want to be recognized as one of the best."

With Michael Bush in the fold and the Bears reportedly concerned about the durability of Forte's knees, it could be wishful thinking.

 

[SWC]

is jay still dating that chick from laguna beach beause that will probably district him like it did to pepe lepew when he would fall in love with that cat and he would get all dumb chicks do that so take it to the bank brohans from the windy city down under

 

[DoubleG]

is jay still dating that chick from laguna beach beause that will probably district him like it did to pepe lepew when he would fall in love with that cat and he would get all dumb chicks do that so take it to the bank brohans from the windy city down under

Is he still dating her? Does getting her pregnant and being engaged(again) count as "dating"? Ask Bill Clinton.

 

[DoubleG]

Devin Hester thinks kickoff returns will be limited

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

We've heard a lot about the "Devin package" this offseason. The Chicago Bears have talked up Devin Hester's role in the offense repeatedly, just like they do every offseason.

The plan is to create special plays for Hester on offense and let him defend his league-leading punt return average. It sounds like Hester will not be involved on kickoffs much.

"I think every now and then, I'm going to do kickoffs," said Hester, according to a Tuesday report from the Chicago Tribune. "It will depend on how the game is going."

The Bears already have talked up free-agent addition Eric Weems as the man to replace Hester on returns. They also signed Devin Thomas, as they prepared to move Hester off kickoffs, something he hasn't been that effective doing in recent years anyway.

The news brings up a familiar debate in Chicago: Should the Bears "waste" Hester's energy on offense when he could save it for returns?

LOVIE!!! PLEASE READ:

He isn't ranked so high on the "Top-100: Players of 2012" because of his wideout skills.

Based on the reduction in Hester's kickoff duties, this isn't a debate that is likely to end anytime soon.

Thanks.

 

[3nOut]

Isn't it great for a change to be optimistic about our passing game? I like our group of WRs going into this year and its nice not to have to be looking for patches or upgrades at this time of year. A year or two ago we would have been clammering for management to sign either TO or Ochocinco to one year contracts in the hopes they may have something left and possibly upgrade our WR corp. Its nice that this year we are not even giving them a second thought.

 

[twistd]

Isn't it great for a change to be optimistic about our passing game? I like our group of WRs going into this year and its nice not to have to be looking for patches or upgrades at this time of year. A year or two ago we would have been clammering for management to sign either TO or Ochocinco to one year contracts in the hopes they may have something left and possibly upgrade our WR corp. Its nice that this year we are not even giving them a second thought.

I do feel more optimistic about the passing game, but they still are not as good as the group in Detroit or Green Bay. At TE the Bears are the weakest team in the division. I'd say they went from one of the worst group of receivers and TEs in the NFL, to middle of the pack. And a lot depends on how quickly Jeffrey and Rodriguez can contribute. Kellen Davis is athletic, and they seem to believe in him, but we haven't seen anything on the field that would indicate that he will be a productive player. Marshall is head and shoulders better than anyone they have had at wide receiver in at least the last 25 years, maybe ever. So that alone is a big improvement. Bennett looks like a solid, but unspectacular receiver. Hester is getting hyped by the team, as he is at this point of the season every year, only to disappoint. So a lot is riding on Jeffrey and Rodriguez being able to adapt quickly to the NFL game. So while there is reason for optimism, there is still much work to be done before this group of receivers and tight ends moves in to the upper echelon of the NFL.

 

[KCitons]

OK, I know this is highly speculative, but it's interesting none the less. Cantor Gaming has released it's line for weeks 1-16 of the NFL season (not sure why week 17 got nixed) Based on the favorites, the Vegas odds makers have the Bears going 11-5 this season. I would like to hope that record gets you a wild card spot.

You can check out the line HERE

 

[Faust]

Jay Cutler still concerned about Bears offensive line

By Marc Sessler

Writer

The offensive line of the Chicago Bears has received its share of criticism in recent years. Much of it is deserved.

Jay Cutler has tried to toe the company line in discussing the unit's woes, but when you've been sacked 110 times in three seasons, holding your tongue is a challenge. Chicago's quarterback said last month the line was "definitely going to be a concern," one that could temper the addition of wideouts Brandon Marshall and rookie Alshon Jeffery.

"The people in the Bears building are sometimes a little bit sensitive," Cutler told "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on WMVP-AM on Friday. "You always want to be pro-Bears and compliment your teammates and stuff but ... over a three-year career here (the offensive line is) definitely at the forefront of my mind every year. Until we get those front five hammered down, we're still kind of up in the air offensively -- even though we've got some really, really talented guys on the outside."

Cutler was sacked 52 times in 2010, more than any quarterback in the league. Chicago's line surrendered another 49 sacks last season. Much was expected of rookie Gabe Carimi, but he played only two games at right tackle before an injured knee cap ended his season. The unit's best lineman is center Roberto Garza, who took Cutler's criticism in stride.

"I talked to Garza about it and asked if anyone was offended. He said no. He agreed with me," Cutler said. "(I) didn't throw anyone under the bus, didn't name anybody specifically and say that they are a weak link. I just said until we get that front five we'll see what happens."

The Bears have failed to fix the problem and some have questioned the team's urgency on this front. The left tackle situation is a mess and there's little talent or depth at guard. We've spent a lot of time talking about the skill players the Bears acquired this offseason, but it starts with the line. Cutler -- regularly hassled by angry enemies in opposing jerseys -- has been telling the Bears this for a long time.

 

[DoubleG]

Jay Cutler still concerned about Bears offensive line

By Marc Sessler

Writer

The offensive line of the Chicago Bears has received its share of criticism in recent years. Much of it is deserved.

Jay Cutler has tried to toe the company line in discussing the unit's woes, but when you've been sacked 110 times in three seasons, holding your tongue is a challenge. Chicago's quarterback said last month the line was "definitely going to be a concern," one that could temper the addition of wideouts Brandon Marshall and rookie Alshon Jeffery.

"The people in the Bears building are sometimes a little bit sensitive," Cutler told "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on WMVP-AM on Friday. "You always want to be pro-Bears and compliment your teammates and stuff but ... over a three-year career here (the offensive line is) definitely at the forefront of my mind every year. Until we get those front five hammered down, we're still kind of up in the air offensively -- even though we've got some really, really talented guys on the outside."

Cutler was sacked 52 times in 2010, more than any quarterback in the league. Chicago's line surrendered another 49 sacks last season. Much was expected of rookie Gabe Carimi, but he played only two games at right tackle before an injured knee cap ended his season. The unit's best lineman is center Roberto Garza, who took Cutler's criticism in stride.

"I talked to Garza about it and asked if anyone was offended. He said no. He agreed with me," Cutler said. "(I) didn't throw anyone under the bus, didn't name anybody specifically and say that they are a weak link. I just said until we get that front five we'll see what happens."

The Bears have failed to fix the problem and some have questioned the team's urgency on this front. The left tackle situation is a mess and there's little talent or depth at guard. We've spent a lot of time talking about the skill players the Bears acquired this offseason, but it starts with the line. Cutler -- regularly hassled by angry enemies in opposing jerseys -- has been telling the Bears this for a long time.

Although, to be fair, in that same show he also stated that J.Webb was looking real good so far and the competition between he and Williams at LT is making both better.BTW, as a Bears fan I LOVE the fact that Cutler will have his own show once a week. If yesterday is any inication, he is candid, honest and actually pretty funny.

 

[twistd]

Jay Cutler still concerned about Bears offensive line

By Marc Sessler

Writer

The offensive line of the Chicago Bears has received its share of criticism in recent years. Much of it is deserved.

Jay Cutler has tried to toe the company line in discussing the unit's woes, but when you've been sacked 110 times in three seasons, holding your tongue is a challenge. Chicago's quarterback said last month the line was "definitely going to be a concern," one that could temper the addition of wideouts Brandon Marshall and rookie Alshon Jeffery.

"The people in the Bears building are sometimes a little bit sensitive," Cutler told "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on WMVP-AM on Friday. "You always want to be pro-Bears and compliment your teammates and stuff but ... over a three-year career here (the offensive line is) definitely at the forefront of my mind every year. Until we get those front five hammered down, we're still kind of up in the air offensively -- even though we've got some really, really talented guys on the outside."

Cutler was sacked 52 times in 2010, more than any quarterback in the league. Chicago's line surrendered another 49 sacks last season. Much was expected of rookie Gabe Carimi, but he played only two games at right tackle before an injured knee cap ended his season. The unit's best lineman is center Roberto Garza, who took Cutler's criticism in stride.

"I talked to Garza about it and asked if anyone was offended. He said no. He agreed with me," Cutler said. "(I) didn't throw anyone under the bus, didn't name anybody specifically and say that they are a weak link. I just said until we get that front five we'll see what happens."

The Bears have failed to fix the problem and some have questioned the team's urgency on this front. The left tackle situation is a mess and there's little talent or depth at guard. We've spent a lot of time talking about the skill players the Bears acquired this offseason, but it starts with the line. Cutler -- regularly hassled by angry enemies in opposing jerseys -- has been telling the Bears this for a long time.

I kind of wonder what personnel people around the league think of this offensive line group. The Bears seem to have a completely different evaluation of their people then anyone outside the organization does. Webb and Williams aren't scaring anyone, and this writer sees little talent or depth at the guard position. Although I will say that Greg Cossell said some nice things about Webb in a podcast I heard. He seemed to think Webb improved a lot over the course of the season last year, and that he has the skills to be a solid player in the NFL. We will certainly see who is right, but this offensive line has been a primary concern for many Bears fans for quite awhile.

 

[Faust]

Nathan Enderle, Martz's protege, waived by Bears

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

The Chicago Bears hired Mike Martz, they hired an entirely new way of thinking about offense. They needed players that fit Martz's unique and quite possibly outdated system. They let Martz influence their personnel decisions.

This is especially true at quarterback. Martz hand-picked quarterback Idaho Nathan Enderle in the fifth round pick last year.

Now that Martz is gone, Enderle is too. The team waived the second year player after their minicamp concluded Thursday. The move makes sense and its a reminder of how much better shape the team's backup position is this year.

Caleb Hanie is gone to Denver. Jason Campbell is arguably the best backup in football. Veteran Josh McCown figures to be the No. 3.

If Jay Cutler gets hurt again, the Bears may not completely fall apart this time.

 

[DoubleG]

Nathan Enderle, Martz's protege, waived by Bears

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

The Chicago Bears hired Mike Martz, they hired an entirely new way of thinking about offense. They needed players that fit Martz's unique and quite possibly outdated system. They let Martz influence their personnel decisions.

This is especially true at quarterback. Martz hand-picked quarterback Idaho Nathan Enderle in the fifth round pick last year.

Now that Martz is gone, Enderle is too. The team waived the second year player after their minicamp concluded Thursday. The move makes sense and its a reminder of how much better shape the team's backup position is this year.

Caleb Hanie is gone to Denver. Jason Campbell is arguably the best backup in football. Veteran Josh McCown figures to be the No. 3.

If Jay Cutler gets hurt again, the Bears may not completely fall apart this time.

Now if we could just undo the Olsen trade...

 

[twistd]

Nathan Enderle, Martz's protege, waived by Bears

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

The Chicago Bears hired Mike Martz, they hired an entirely new way of thinking about offense. They needed players that fit Martz's unique and quite possibly outdated system. They let Martz influence their personnel decisions.

This is especially true at quarterback. Martz hand-picked quarterback Idaho Nathan Enderle in the fifth round pick last year.

Now that Martz is gone, Enderle is too. The team waived the second year player after their minicamp concluded Thursday. The move makes sense and its a reminder of how much better shape the team's backup position is this year.

Caleb Hanie is gone to Denver. Jason Campbell is arguably the best backup in football. Veteran Josh McCown figures to be the No. 3.

If Jay Cutler gets hurt again, the Bears may not completely fall apart this time.

Now if we could just undo the Olsen trade...

 

[Faust]

Bears CB Charles Tillman schools pro-Packers teacher

By Marc Sessler

Writer

When Chicago Bears cornerback Charles "Peanut" Tillman was asked for an autograph at a recent charity event, a nice moment turned into just another log on the fire of his team's rivalry with the Green Bay Packers.

Tillman was stationed at a Chicago-area sporting goods store to promote his charity, Cornerstone Foundation. When the store owner's daughter, tucked away doing her math homework, asked Tillman to sign her assigment sheet, he obliged but was thrown for a loop when he scanned the page.

Per Deadspin, it read as follows:

"The Packers play the Bears 4 times in two seasons. The Packers, being a much better team, have an 80% chance of winning each game. What is the probability that the Bears win all four games? What is the probability that the Bears win at least one game?"

Parental alert: Packers-tilted brainwashing unfolds in Chicago-area classrooms!

Tillman fulfilled the girl's request for an autograph, with a special message for her middle-school math instructor, John Amrein, who cooked up the brain bender:

Mr. Amrein,

This is Charles "Peanut" Tillman of the Chicago Bears and I'm shocked that you would have a problem like this for your students. The probability that the Bears would win in my opinion is 100%. Please do not and I repeat DO NOT send them home with math homework that is disrespectful to our team, city and our beloved Chicago Bears.

Your All Pro Corner

Charles "Peanut" Tillman

33

Geaux Bears

P.S. Bear Down

Somebody in this story needs to brush up on their math skills. You tell us who.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Nathan Enderle, Martz's protege, waived by Bears

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

The Chicago Bears hired Mike Martz, they hired an entirely new way of thinking about offense. They needed players that fit Martz's unique and quite possibly outdated system. They let Martz influence their personnel decisions.

This is especially true at quarterback. Martz hand-picked quarterback Idaho Nathan Enderle in the fifth round pick last year.

Now that Martz is gone, Enderle is too. The team waived the second year player after their minicamp concluded Thursday. The move makes sense and its a reminder of how much better shape the team's backup position is this year.

Caleb Hanie is gone to Denver. Jason Campbell is arguably the best backup in football. Veteran Josh McCown figures to be the No. 3.

If Jay Cutler gets hurt again, the Bears may not completely fall apart this time.

Now if we could just undo the Olsen trade...

Chicago might not have traded for Brandon Marshall without that extra 3rd round pick

 

[flapgreen]

Nathan Enderle, Martz's protege, waived by Bears

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

The Chicago Bears hired Mike Martz, they hired an entirely new way of thinking about offense. They needed players that fit Martz's unique and quite possibly outdated system. They let Martz influence their personnel decisions.

This is especially true at quarterback. Martz hand-picked quarterback Idaho Nathan Enderle in the fifth round pick last year.

Now that Martz is gone, Enderle is too. The team waived the second year player after their minicamp concluded Thursday. The move makes sense and its a reminder of how much better shape the team's backup position is this year.

Caleb Hanie is gone to Denver. Jason Campbell is arguably the best backup in football. Veteran Josh McCown figures to be the No. 3.

If Jay Cutler gets hurt again, the Bears may not completely fall apart this time.

Now if we could just undo the Olsen trade...

Cutler and Olsen did not get along at all the season before he was traded.

 

[Clifford]

Nathan Enderle, Martz's protege, waived by Bears

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

The Chicago Bears hired Mike Martz, they hired an entirely new way of thinking about offense. They needed players that fit Martz's unique and quite possibly outdated system. They let Martz influence their personnel decisions.

This is especially true at quarterback. Martz hand-picked quarterback Idaho Nathan Enderle in the fifth round pick last year.

Now that Martz is gone, Enderle is too. The team waived the second year player after their minicamp concluded Thursday. The move makes sense and its a reminder of how much better shape the team's backup position is this year.

Caleb Hanie is gone to Denver. Jason Campbell is arguably the best backup in football. Veteran Josh McCown figures to be the No. 3.

If Jay Cutler gets hurt again, the Bears may not completely fall apart this time.

Now if we could just undo the Olsen trade...

Think we used that pick on Marshall, no?