Chicago Bears 2012 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

[DoubleG]

Now if we could just undo the Olsen trade...

Think we used that pick on Marshall, no?

Oh stop - like that was the only draft pick the Bears ever had. We could have landed Marshall - even without that incredible 3rd round pick - maybe using our own 3rd round pick. Or a different pick - or a different year's pick.

The point was, Martz didn't like Olsen because in Martz' offense the TE has to be a 6th o-lineman. Olsen wasn't (although he did work very hard at his blocking right before they traded him). Olsen was a TE who is primarily a pass catcher (you know, like the ones some of the offenses that aren't pretending it's the 90's use). Martz wanted him gone.

And Cutler and Olsen were practically best buds - so I am not sure where Flap is getting this idea that he and Cutler didn't get along. In fact, some have suggested that Cutler used to look for Olsen too much when things broke down and that's why Martz wanted Olsen gone.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Now if we could just undo the Olsen trade...

Think we used that pick on Marshall, no?

Oh stop - like that was the only draft pick the Bears ever had. We could have landed Marshall - even without that incredible 3rd round pick - maybe using our own 3rd round pick. Or a different pick - or a different year's pick.

The point was, Martz didn't like Olsen because in Martz' offense the TE has to be a 6th o-lineman. Olsen wasn't (although he did work very hard at his blocking right before they traded him). Olsen was a TE who is primarily a pass catcher (you know, like the ones some of the offenses that aren't pretending it's the 90's use). Martz wanted him gone.

And Cutler and Olsen were practically best buds - so I am not sure where Flap is getting this idea that he and Cutler didn't get along. In fact, some have suggested that Cutler used to look for Olsen too much when things broke down and that's why Martz wanted Olsen gone.

Would it be nice to have Greg Olsen now? Yes, if we still could've acquired Brandon Marshall.However, lets not pretend that Greg Olsen was worth his first round draft pick either though. His best season out of 5 was 60 receptions for 612 yards and 8 TDs...that was WITH Martz in 2010. Last year he was 45 for 540 5 with Cam Newton. On a Fantasy PPG basis Olsen finished 19th last year in PPR. Only 5 of the 18 TE's in front of him were first round picks. Quality TE's can be acquired in later rounds.

Greg Olsen was also in the last year of his contract. He signed a 5 year 24.7 million dollar deal with Carolina...I would've rather spent that money elsewhere.

Compare that to Kellen Winslow. Who beat Greg Olsen's career year in receptions/yards 5 of the last 6 years. However, Winslow only cost Seattle a 7th round pick. I still think Chicago got a steal.

 

[DoubleG]

Now if we could just undo the Olsen trade...

Think we used that pick on Marshall, no?

Oh stop - like that was the only draft pick the Bears ever had. We could have landed Marshall - even without that incredible 3rd round pick - maybe using our own 3rd round pick. Or a different pick - or a different year's pick.

The point was, Martz didn't like Olsen because in Martz' offense the TE has to be a 6th o-lineman. Olsen wasn't (although he did work very hard at his blocking right before they traded him). Olsen was a TE who is primarily a pass catcher (you know, like the ones some of the offenses that aren't pretending it's the 90's use). Martz wanted him gone.

And Cutler and Olsen were practically best buds - so I am not sure where Flap is getting this idea that he and Cutler didn't get along. In fact, some have suggested that Cutler used to look for Olsen too much when things broke down and that's why Martz wanted Olsen gone.

Would it be nice to have Greg Olsen now? Yes, if we still could've acquired Brandon Marshall.However, lets not pretend that Greg Olsen was worth his first round draft pick either though. His best season out of 5 was 60 receptions for 612 yards and 8 TDs...that was WITH Martz in 2010. Last year he was 45 for 540 5 with Cam Newton. On a Fantasy PPG basis Olsen finished 19th last year in PPR. Only 5 of the 18 TE's in front of him were first round picks. Quality TE's can be acquired in later rounds.

Greg Olsen was also in the last year of his contract. He signed a 5 year 24.7 million dollar deal with Carolina...I would've rather spent that money elsewhere.

Compare that to Kellen Winslow. Who beat Greg Olsen's career year in receptions/yards 5 of the last 6 years. However, Winslow only cost Seattle a 7th round pick. I still think Chicago got a steal.

Exactly where did I say anything that even remotely hinted at what I thought about where the Bears drafted him? I simply pointed out that the Bears likely could have landed Marshall without giving up Olsen - and that Cutler seemed to like Olsen. That's it.

If you want to argue a point I actually made (or even came close to suggesting) - have at it. But please don't put words in my mouth, then argue against something I never said. TIA.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Now if we could just undo the Olsen trade...

Think we used that pick on Marshall, no?

Oh stop - like that was the only draft pick the Bears ever had. We could have landed Marshall - even without that incredible 3rd round pick - maybe using our own 3rd round pick. Or a different pick - or a different year's pick.

The point was, Martz didn't like Olsen because in Martz' offense the TE has to be a 6th o-lineman. Olsen wasn't (although he did work very hard at his blocking right before they traded him). Olsen was a TE who is primarily a pass catcher (you know, like the ones some of the offenses that aren't pretending it's the 90's use). Martz wanted him gone.

And Cutler and Olsen were practically best buds - so I am not sure where Flap is getting this idea that he and Cutler didn't get along. In fact, some have suggested that Cutler used to look for Olsen too much when things broke down and that's why Martz wanted Olsen gone.

Would it be nice to have Greg Olsen now? Yes, if we still could've acquired Brandon Marshall.However, lets not pretend that Greg Olsen was worth his first round draft pick either though. His best season out of 5 was 60 receptions for 612 yards and 8 TDs...that was WITH Martz in 2010. Last year he was 45 for 540 5 with Cam Newton. On a Fantasy PPG basis Olsen finished 19th last year in PPR. Only 5 of the 18 TE's in front of him were first round picks. Quality TE's can be acquired in later rounds.

Greg Olsen was also in the last year of his contract. He signed a 5 year 24.7 million dollar deal with Carolina...I would've rather spent that money elsewhere.

Compare that to Kellen Winslow. Who beat Greg Olsen's career year in receptions/yards 5 of the last 6 years. However, Winslow only cost Seattle a 7th round pick. I still think Chicago got a steal.

Exactly where did I say anything that even remotely hinted at what I thought about where the Bears drafted him? I simply pointed out that the Bears likely could have landed Marshall without giving up Olsen - and that Cutler seemed to like Olsen. That's it.

If you want to argue a point I actually made (or even came close to suggesting) - have at it. But please don't put words in my mouth, then argue against something I never said. TIA.

Sensitive much? When did I list your name as saying _________ and saying you were wrong.I simply responded to your comment about having Olsen would be nice and went on a different rant. Put away the swords fellas.

 

[maxwelledison]

Now if we could just undo the Olsen trade...

Think we used that pick on Marshall, no?

Oh stop - like that was the only draft pick the Bears ever had. We could have landed Marshall - even without that incredible 3rd round pick - maybe using our own 3rd round pick. Or a different pick - or a different year's pick.

The point was, Martz didn't like Olsen because in Martz' offense the TE has to be a 6th o-lineman. Olsen wasn't (although he did work very hard at his blocking right before they traded him). Olsen was a TE who is primarily a pass catcher (you know, like the ones some of the offenses that aren't pretending it's the 90's use). Martz wanted him gone.

And Cutler and Olsen were practically best buds - so I am not sure where Flap is getting this idea that he and Cutler didn't get along. In fact, some have suggested that Cutler used to look for Olsen too much when things broke down and that's why Martz wanted Olsen gone.

Have to go with doubleg. As terrified as I am if the OL I am still optimistic about the offense. That said if Olsen were here I'd be more comfortable about TE (although I do like Kellen Davis).

 

[Faust]

Matt Forte threatens to sit out Bears training camp

By Marc Sessler

Writer

Matt Forte's contract situation with the Chicago Bears remains a prickly thorn in the side of a team with high hopes for 2012. Forte twisted that thorn Friday night.

The Bears running back told WSCR-AM in Chicago that he will likely skip training camp without a long-term deal from the team.

This came hours after Forte told NFL Network's Kimberly Jones he was uncertain about his status for camp, but wouldn't sit out the 2012 season.

Forte is not interested in signing his franchise tag, which would net him $7.7 million. He remains "optimistic" as the sides continue to dialogue, but admits the ongoing tussle has affected him.

"You can't let it get too personal," he told the radio station. "I mean, it's always personal when you are dealing with the business side of the league because they are talking about you as a person. When you are an athlete and you've done everything that you've been asked to do and you've excelled out there on the field, and then you go out in the media and you see there is stuff written about you how they are devaluing you as a player at your position and saying that you are not as good as what you think you are or what the stats say -- I mean, the stats can't lie. If you have good stats and you are playing good, obviously you are a good player. So it gets personal when you are devalued like that."

Forte might be weary of the media chatter, but he can't deny the league-wide perception shift at the running back position.

It comes as little surprise that he'd threaten to skip training camp, but Forte also maintains he won't miss a regular-season snap. That's a mized message to put out there publicly, because the Bears have shown zero urgency in furnishing Forte with a contract. Instead, they brought in Michael Bush, only chipping away at Forte's leverage. One of league's longest-running contract dramas might not end happily in Chicago, at least not for Forte.

 

[mlball77]

(KFFL) Chicago Bears franchise free-agent RB Matt Forte indicated he would like a deal similar to the ones Philadelphia Eagles RB LeSean McCoy and Houston Texans RB Arian Foster signed this offseason. McCoy signed a five-year deal worth $45 million with $20.7 million in guaranteed money. Foster signed a four-year deal worth $41 million with $20.5 million in guaranteed money.

What is Forte worth to the team? I have trouble seeing him get quite this much money.

 

[Faust]

Brandon Marshall: I haven't had good receivers coach

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

On Sunday, Hanzus pointed you in the direction of a compelling piece about Chicago Bears wideout Brandon Marshall. The Chicago Tribune spent four days with him in Florida, and yet we left the article with more questions about the receiver.

Perhaps the most telling aspects of the piece were not related to Marshall's personality, but to his football history. Three points stuck out.

1. Former Denver Broncos quarterbacks coach (and current Bears quarterbacks coach) Jeremy Bates let Marshall and Jay Cutler freelance.

"(Bates) wouldn't even give us a play. We'll just go out there with no play, and Jay would give me a signal, I would give Jay a signal," Marshall said. "We just had that feel for the game where we'll come out with a game plan -- like, OK, 'They want to do this, we want to do this. This is our counter to that. This is our plan A, B and C.'"

We suspect Bates' version of this story would be slightly different. But there's no denying Cutler and Marshall had an excellent chemistry, and it doesn't hurt that they know how to improvise.

2. Marshall says he's never had a good receivers coach in the pros.

"To be honest, (when I arrived in Miami) I was like, 'You know, I need some coaching. Right now, I'm coming off my natural ability.' ... I haven't had a good coach, as far as that receiving position, since I've been in the NFL. As far as technique and someone who understands the game, the last time I had a good receiving coach was DJ McCarthy in college."

3. Don't try to tell Marshall that Cris Carter is his mentor.

"I really never built a relationship with him," Marshall said. "The reason why I may sound a little defensive right now is because there's stories out there as far as him being my mentor or someone I go to, but that's not true, basically."

 

[twistd]

(KFFL) Chicago Bears franchise free-agent RB Matt Forte indicated he would like a deal similar to the ones Philadelphia Eagles RB LeSean McCoy and Houston Texans RB Arian Foster signed this offseason. McCoy signed a five-year deal worth $45 million with $20.7 million in guaranteed money. Foster signed a four-year deal worth $41 million with $20.5 million in guaranteed money.

What is Forte worth to the team? I have trouble seeing him get quite this much money.

My guess is that the best the Bears will offer is a five year contract for about $35 million with about half guaranteed. I really believe the Bears are willing to go in to the season with Bush as the starter. Does anyone know what happens if Forte doesn't sign the franchise tag? He doesn't sound like he will. They have until July 16th, I believe.

 

[Steed]

It's mentioned two posts up,but the Chicago Tribune story really sheds light on how Marshall became a huge character risk. His dad was an abusive mofo that beat his wife (marshall's mom) on the regular. Sad story.

 

[Statcruncher]

(KFFL) Chicago Bears franchise free-agent RB Matt Forte indicated he would like a deal similar to the ones Philadelphia Eagles RB LeSean McCoy and Houston Texans RB Arian Foster signed this offseason. McCoy signed a five-year deal worth $45 million with $20.7 million in guaranteed money. Foster signed a four-year deal worth $41 million with $20.5 million in guaranteed money.

What is Forte worth to the team? I have trouble seeing him get quite this much money.

I like Forte, think he's got some great years left, and would like to see him cash in. That being said, there is no way I'd go 5 years with him and the best I would offer would be around 4 years at 32 million with 20 million guaranteed. IMO that's fair and probably a slight overpayment as in his 4th year I would expect he would be average by then.

 

[DoubleG]

(KFFL) Chicago Bears franchise free-agent RB Matt Forte indicated he would like a deal similar to the ones Philadelphia Eagles RB LeSean McCoy and Houston Texans RB Arian Foster signed this offseason. McCoy signed a five-year deal worth $45 million with $20.7 million in guaranteed money. Foster signed a four-year deal worth $41 million with $20.5 million in guaranteed money.

What is Forte worth to the team? I have trouble seeing him get quite this much money.

I like Forte, think he's got some great years left, and would like to see him cash in. That being said, there is no way I'd go 5 years with him and the best I would offer would be around 4 years at 32 million with 20 million guaranteed. IMO that's fair and probably a slight overpayment as in his 4th year I would expect he would be average by then.

The problem with the Forte situation is that the team doesn't "need" him nearly as much in 2012 as they did in 2011. His year to hold out and cash in was then - not now. He holds virtually no leverage at this point. His options now are either don't get paid or sign the frnachise tender (presuming he's turning his nose up at whatever long term offers the Bears are offering).If he sits out the year, the Bears simply roll with Bush and Bell (and co.) at RB and a much improved passing game (which would probably be more the focus now, even if Forte does sign). Last season, when the Bears didn't have Marshall and Jeffrey - and instead of a young M. Bush they had an old, beat up MBIII, Forte "holding out" or even sitting out the season was a much more terrifying threat. Now? Not so much.

Do we lose a little at RB? Sure.

Not to mention the fact, that, as a fan, I am sick and tired of players saying a team is disprespecting them by frnachising them. Really? If someone came to me and said "We're going to pay you like your a top 10 guy at what you do." I'd say "Ummm...okay, thanks for the big raise." Didn't realize $7.7 million guaranteed for 1 year was an insult. If they don't like the franchise system, then why didn't they simply negotiate it out of the CBA?

As far as I'm concerned you can be "upset" with 1 of 2 parties in this situation - and one of them is NOT the Bears. 1) Be upset with Forte for not signing his tender OR 2) Be upset with NFLPA for not negotiating out the franchise system if the players feel so insulted by being payed as a top player at their position.

 

[KCitons]

(KFFL) Chicago Bears franchise free-agent RB Matt Forte indicated he would like a deal similar to the ones Philadelphia Eagles RB LeSean McCoy and Houston Texans RB Arian Foster signed this offseason. McCoy signed a five-year deal worth $45 million with $20.7 million in guaranteed money. Foster signed a four-year deal worth $41 million with $20.5 million in guaranteed money.

What is Forte worth to the team? I have trouble seeing him get quite this much money.

I like Forte, think he's got some great years left, and would like to see him cash in. That being said, there is no way I'd go 5 years with him and the best I would offer would be around 4 years at 32 million with 20 million guaranteed. IMO that's fair and probably a slight overpayment as in his 4th year I would expect he would be average by then.

The problem with the Forte situation is that the team doesn't "need" him nearly as much in 2012 as they did in 2011. His year to hold out and cash in was then - not now. He holds virtually no leverage at this point. His options now are either don't get paid or sign the frnachise tender (presuming he's turning his nose up at whatever long term offers the Bears are offering).If he sits out the year, the Bears simply roll with Bush and Bell (and co.) at RB and a much improved passing game (which would probably be more the focus now, even if Forte does sign). Last season, when the Bears didn't have Marshall and Jeffrey - and instead of a young M. Bush they had an old, beat up MBIII, Forte "holding out" or even sitting out the season was a much more terrifying threat. Now? Not so much.

Do we lose a little at RB? Sure.

Not to mention the fact, that, as a fan, I am sick and tired of players saying a team is disprespecting them by frnachising them. Really? If someone came to me and said "We're going to pay you like your a top 10 guy at what you do." I'd say "Ummm...okay, thanks for the big raise." Didn't realize $7.7 million guaranteed for 1 year was an insult. If they don't like the franchise system, then why didn't they simply negotiate it out of the CBA?

As far as I'm concerned you can be "upset" with 1 of 2 parties in this situation - and one of them is NOT the Bears. 1) Be upset with Forte for not signing his tender OR 2) Be upset with NFLPA for not negotiating out the franchise system if the players feel so insulted by being payed as a top player at their position.

I will go one better. Tell me why any employee (or athlete in this case) deserves to have any amount of money guaranteed to them? After all, most of them have come up through an educational system that afforded them opportunities to get a degree in anything they want. If for some reason a player signs a Franchise tender and plays one year for $7 million, then gets hurt during the season and never plays again, am I suppose to feel sorry for him? He should have a "Free" college degree to fall back on. So what if you can't play at an NFL level any more. Neither can I. (I never could) But some how, I manage to get up every day and make a living to support my family.

What if I am the best welder, or plumber, or car salesman? Should I demand my employer pay me a guaranteed amount for a certain number of years? Honestly, I think it's time for athletes, singers, and actors to grateful for anything they are given. After all, 99% of what they do is not considered a necessity of life.

 

[Statcruncher]

I will go one better. Tell me why any employee (or athlete in this case) deserves to have any amount of money guaranteed to them? After all, most of them have come up through an educational system that afforded them opportunities to get a degree in anything they want. If for some reason a player signs a Franchise tender and plays one year for $7 million, then gets hurt during the season and never plays again, am I suppose to feel sorry for him? He should have a "Free" college degree to fall back on. So what if you can't play at an NFL level any more. Neither can I. (I never could) But some how, I manage to get up every day and make a living to support my family.What if I am the best welder, or plumber, or car salesman? Should I demand my employer pay me a guaranteed amount for a certain number of years? Honestly, I think it's time for athletes, singers, and actors to grateful for anything they are given. After all, 99% of what they do is not considered a necessity of life.

You sound really out of touch and bitter here.

 

[geoff8695]

I agree that the Bears are handling the Forte situation in a way that is cost beneficial and very smart for the team. It's hard to fault them for doing what is in their best interest and taking advantage of the existing CBA.

However, I appreciate what Forte has meant to this team, and let's be honest about that-Forte has been the catalyst for the Bears' offense for most of his career in Chicago. Also, if I understand correctly, the only reason he didn't hold out last season (when he clearly would have had the leverage to do so), was that he had a gentleman's agreement with the former GM. Forte believed a long term deal would be forthcoming; that's why he did things "the right way", rather than holding out and jeopardizing the team's chances for a repeat deep into the playoffs (they were coming off an NFC Championship season, so Forte put the team ahead of his personal financial interests). Then he and Cutler both got hurt, the Bears collapsed over the last six games, and both Martz and Angelo got their "walking papers".

Usually RBs who produce the way Forte has, are able to cash in on at least one sizable multi-year contract during their careers. Unfortunately for Forte, the reality is that the Bears "played him" instead of "paying him". Meanwhile, lesser RBs have come into the organization and gotten paid more money, and now the remainder of the prime years left in his career are going to be restricted to one year deals, without Forte ever being rewarded in a manner consistent to comparable RBs in the league. I can't fault the guy for being upset and feeling that the organization hasn't honored their verbal agreement with him last offseason, despite his being a "good citizen". It's an unfortunate and unfair situation for Forte based on HIS job and career field, NOT based on the average FBG's or American's career opportunities and compensation.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I agree that the Bears are handling the Forte situation in a way that is cost beneficial and very smart for the team. It's hard to fault them for doing what is in their best interest and taking advantage of the existing CBA.However, I appreciate what Forte has meant to this team, and let's be honest about that-Forte has been the catalyst for the Bears' offense for most of his career in Chicago. Also, if I understand correctly, the only reason he didn't hold out last season (when he clearly would have had the leverage to do so), was that he had a gentleman's agreement with the former GM. Forte believed a long term deal would be forthcoming; that's why he did things "the right way", rather than holding out and jeopardizing the team's chances for a repeat deep into the playoffs (they were coming off an NFC Championship season, so Forte put the team ahead of his personal financial interests). Then he and Cutler both got hurt, the Bears collapsed over the last six games, and both Martz and Angelo got their "walking papers".Usually RBs who produce the way Forte has, are able to cash in on at least one sizable multi-year contract during their careers. Unfortunately for Forte, the reality is that the Bears "played him" instead of "paying him". Meanwhile, lesser RBs have come into the organization and gotten paid more money, and now the remainder of the prime years left in his career are going to be restricted to one year deals, without Forte ever being rewarded in a manner consistent to comparable RBs in the league. I can't fault the guy for being upset and feeling that the organization hasn't honored their verbal agreement with him last offseason, despite his being a "good citizen". It's an unfortunate and unfair situation for Forte based on HIS job and career field, NOT based on the average FBG's or American's career opportunities and compensation.

Forte was a fool to not hold out when he had the leverage, now he has none. I wonder if his agent advised him against it. Id like to believe that the old GM would of given him a deal, but I doubt it even if he was still there.

 

[KCitons]

I will go one better. Tell me why any employee (or athlete in this case) deserves to have any amount of money guaranteed to them? After all, most of them have come up through an educational system that afforded them opportunities to get a degree in anything they want. If for some reason a player signs a Franchise tender and plays one year for $7 million, then gets hurt during the season and never plays again, am I suppose to feel sorry for him? He should have a "Free" college degree to fall back on. So what if you can't play at an NFL level any more. Neither can I. (I never could) But some how, I manage to get up every day and make a living to support my family.What if I am the best welder, or plumber, or car salesman? Should I demand my employer pay me a guaranteed amount for a certain number of years? Honestly, I think it's time for athletes, singers, and actors to grateful for anything they are given. After all, 99% of what they do is not considered a necessity of life.

You sound really out of touch and bitter here.

Why would I be bitter? Just speaking the truth. I don't see why any athlete would require a multi year contract with guaranteed money?

 

[Vector]

I will go one better. Tell me why any employee (or athlete in this case) deserves to have any amount of money guaranteed to them? After all, most of them have come up through an educational system that afforded them opportunities to get a degree in anything they want. If for some reason a player signs a Franchise tender and plays one year for $7 million, then gets hurt during the season and never plays again, am I suppose to feel sorry for him? He should have a "Free" college degree to fall back on. So what if you can't play at an NFL level any more. Neither can I. (I never could) But some how, I manage to get up every day and make a living to support my family.What if I am the best welder, or plumber, or car salesman? Should I demand my employer pay me a guaranteed amount for a certain number of years? Honestly, I think it's time for athletes, singers, and actors to grateful for anything they are given. After all, 99% of what they do is not considered a necessity of life.

You sound really out of touch and bitter here.

Why would I be bitter? Just speaking the truth. I don't see why any athlete would require a multi year contract with guaranteed money?

They are like any other person negotiating a salary... You get as much as the market will bear. If they can negotiate multi-year guaranteed contracts then they will. This sounds as if you would, if given the opportunity, refuse a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract and instead tell your employer, "I'm only worth a single year's salary of a couple hundred thousand. Let's just contract for that shall we."

 

[KCitons]

I will go one better. Tell me why any employee (or athlete in this case) deserves to have any amount of money guaranteed to them? After all, most of them have come up through an educational system that afforded them opportunities to get a degree in anything they want. If for some reason a player signs a Franchise tender and plays one year for $7 million, then gets hurt during the season and never plays again, am I suppose to feel sorry for him? He should have a "Free" college degree to fall back on. So what if you can't play at an NFL level any more. Neither can I. (I never could) But some how, I manage to get up every day and make a living to support my family.What if I am the best welder, or plumber, or car salesman? Should I demand my employer pay me a guaranteed amount for a certain number of years? Honestly, I think it's time for athletes, singers, and actors to grateful for anything they are given. After all, 99% of what they do is not considered a necessity of life.

You sound really out of touch and bitter here.

Why would I be bitter? Just speaking the truth. I don't see why any athlete would require a multi year contract with guaranteed money?

They are like any other person negotiating a salary... You get as much as the market will bear. If they can negotiate multi-year guaranteed contracts then they will. This sounds as if you would, if given the opportunity, refuse a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract and instead tell your employer, "I'm only worth a single year's salary of a couple hundred thousand. Let's just contract for that shall we."

I can see the point you are trying to make. But, let's look at it from the other side. Let's say I go into my boss' office after having spent the last 3 years doing an excellent job. For my yearly review, He offers me a 5% raise (while others in the company were getting 3%). I tell him that I want a 50% raise and I want him to pay me the 1st years salary up front. If not, I am not coming to work on Monday. What do you think is going to happen? I just priced myself out of a job. No matter how badly the company would wants to keep me, they would have to make a smart decision and let me go. If I really thought that I could make more money someplace else, then I have that opportunity. (Forte does not, since the Bears own exclusive rights)It doesn't really matter at this point. The Bears and Forte have two different ideas of what his value is. Both are playing the media to get the fans on their side. You stated that Forte is just trying to get what the market will bear. If he holds out, what is he getting then? In my opinion, Forte will play under the franchise tag this season. There is no way the Bears are going to give him McCoy money, and they would be stupid to do it. But, this is just going to open up a lot of hold outs in the next few years. Players will not fall for the "come into camp and we will work on your contract" It's going to get worse before it gets better.

 

[geoff8695]

I can see the point you are trying to make. But, let's look at it from the other side. Let's say I go into my boss' office after having spent the last 3 years doing an excellent job. For my yearly review, He offers me a 5% raise (while others in the company were getting 3%). I tell him that I want a 50% raise and I want him to pay me the 1st years salary up front. If not, I am not coming to work on Monday. What do you think is going to happen? I just priced myself out of a job. No matter how badly the company would wants to keep me, they would have to make a smart decision and let me go. If I really thought that I could make more money someplace else, then I have that opportunity. (Forte does not, since the Bears own exclusive rights)It doesn't really matter at this point. The Bears and Forte have two different ideas of what his value is. Both are playing the media to get the fans on their side. You stated that Forte is just trying to get what the market will bear. If he holds out, what is he getting then? In my opinion, Forte will play under the franchise tag this season. There is no way the Bears are going to give him McCoy money, and they would be stupid to do it. But, this is just going to open up a lot of hold outs in the next few years. Players will not fall for the "come into camp and we will work on your contract" It's going to get worse before it gets better.

Your job raise example is an 'apples to oranges' comparison, but I'm not going to pick nits about that.Suffice it to say that last off season, Forte wasn't looking for a contract out of step with his skill position, NFL salaries, and/or his significant contributions to the Bears. He was well aware that comparable RB talents were currently, and historically, enjoying significant multi-year contracts at similar stages of their careers. He also knew that Angelo had a history of negotiating extensions in-season with other highly valued Bear veterans. Whether or not Jerry Angelo really had any intentions of doing so in Forte's case is certainly debatable, especially given the short career span of NFL RBs and the availability of the franchise tag. Anyways, it's a moot point now...However, I completely agree with your conclusions. Namely, "Forte WILL play under the franchise tag this season"; he has no other choice really. And secondly, "Players will NOT fall for the 'come into camp and we will work on your contract'". I doubt we ever see another franchise RB, in the final season of their initial NFL contract, play along and show up for camp and the regular season after having grossly outproduced their rookie deal. No one will want to find themselves in Forte's position; moving forward, this will be the textbook example of what NOT to do...

 

[KCitons]

I can see the point you are trying to make. But, let's look at it from the other side. Let's say I go into my boss' office after having spent the last 3 years doing an excellent job. For my yearly review, He offers me a 5% raise (while others in the company were getting 3%). I tell him that I want a 50% raise and I want him to pay me the 1st years salary up front. If not, I am not coming to work on Monday. What do you think is going to happen? I just priced myself out of a job. No matter how badly the company would wants to keep me, they would have to make a smart decision and let me go. If I really thought that I could make more money someplace else, then I have that opportunity. (Forte does not, since the Bears own exclusive rights)It doesn't really matter at this point. The Bears and Forte have two different ideas of what his value is. Both are playing the media to get the fans on their side. You stated that Forte is just trying to get what the market will bear. If he holds out, what is he getting then? In my opinion, Forte will play under the franchise tag this season. There is no way the Bears are going to give him McCoy money, and they would be stupid to do it. But, this is just going to open up a lot of hold outs in the next few years. Players will not fall for the "come into camp and we will work on your contract" It's going to get worse before it gets better.

Your job raise example is an 'apples to oranges' comparison, but I'm not going to pick nits about that.Suffice it to say that last off season, Forte wasn't looking for a contract out of step with his skill position, NFL salaries, and/or his significant contributions to the Bears. He was well aware that comparable RB talents were currently, and historically, enjoying significant multi-year contracts at similar stages of their careers. He also knew that Angelo had a history of negotiating extensions in-season with other highly valued Bear veterans. Whether or not Jerry Angelo really had any intentions of doing so in Forte's case is certainly debatable, especially given the short career span of NFL RBs and the availability of the franchise tag. Anyways, it's a moot point now...However, I completely agree with your conclusions. Namely, "Forte WILL play under the franchise tag this season"; he has no other choice really. And secondly, "Players will NOT fall for the 'come into camp and we will work on your contract'". I doubt we ever see another franchise RB, in the final season of their initial NFL contract, play along and show up for camp and the regular season after having grossly outproduced their rookie deal. No one will want to find themselves in Forte's position; moving forward, this will be the textbook example of what NOT to do...

You only need to look at MJD's situation to see the "money grabbing panic" already starting. MJD knows that he is past his prime, but he also knows that the Jags offense goes through him. He has a little more leverage because of this. (but, he is forgetting that the Jags aren't a playoff team. So there is no reason for the Jags to pay him)

 

[lbouchard]

How is Alshon Jeffrey looking so far?

 

[Faust]

How is Alshon Jeffrey looking so far?

Alshon Jeffery: Alshon Jeffery missed minicamp w/ leg injury

Alshon Jeffery - WR - CHI - Jun. 16 - 2:14 pm et

Second-round WR Alshon Jeffery missed the majority of Bears minicamp with a lower-leg injury.

Jeffery apparently got in limited work on Tuesday and Wednesday before sitting out entirely on Thursday. It's a concern for a player who has struggled with his conditioning, but Jeffery was durable in college, missing just one game in three seasons. He's expected to be fine for training camp. Jun. 16 - 2:14 pm et

 

[Faust]

Kellen Davis set for bigger role with Chicago Bears

By Brian McIntyre

Around the League writer

As we count down the days to training camp, Around the League will examine one player from every team set for a breakout campaign in 2012. Next up, the Chicago Bears.

Kellen Davis bound to do more than just block

With the possible exception of Jay Cutler, no player on the Chicago Bears' roster figures to benefit more from the departure of offensive coordinator Mike Martz than fifth-year tight end Kellen Davis.

The 6-foot-7, 260-pound Davis has dressed for all 64 games of his career, playing primarily on special teams his first two seasons as the third tight end on the depth chart, behind Greg Olsen and Desmond Clark. Davis moved up to the second spot in 2010, but the position was a non-factor in Martz's offense, so Davis had more starts (three) than targets (two) and receptions (one). When Olsen was traded to the Carolina Panthers, Davis ascended to the top spot for the 2011 season. A 15-game starter, Davis played in more than 70 percent of the Bears' offensive snaps that campaign ... and caught 18 passes for 206 yards and a team-high five touchdowns.

Former NFL tight end Mike Tice replaced Martz as the offensive coordinator this offseason, and Davis' role in the offense is expected to expand. Tice frequently used personnel groupings that featured multiple tight ends when he was coaching the Minnesota Vikings, and they didn't just serve as blockers. Jermaine Wiggins actually led the Vikings in receptions during Tice's final two seasons in Minnesota.

With the addition of Brandon Marshall on the outside, Davis could have more room to operate down the middle of the field. Davis signed a contract with the Bears in March that would be commensurate with an expanded role. He has fewer than 30 career receptions, but the Bears gave Davis a $2.7 million signing bonus on a two-year, $6 million contract. According to a source with knowledge of that contract, Davis' reception total this season could add up to an additional $500,000 to next year's $2.4 million base salary.

 

[FavreCo]

Kellen Davis - bigtime sleeper TE

 

[KCitons]

How is Alshon Jeffrey looking so far?

Alshon Jeffery: Alshon Jeffery missed minicamp w/ leg injury

Alshon Jeffery - WR - CHI - Jun. 16 - 2:14 pm et

Second-round WR Alshon Jeffery missed the majority of Bears minicamp with a lower-leg injury.

Jeffery apparently got in limited work on Tuesday and Wednesday before sitting out entirely on Thursday. It's a concern for a player who has struggled with his conditioning, but Jeffery was durable in college, missing just one game in three seasons. He's expected to be fine for training camp. Jun. 16 - 2:14 pm et

These comments seem to make it sound like Jeffery isn't doing so well. I watched the "Inside Rookie Minicamp" series on ChicagoBears.com. One of the episodes shows Jeffery making catch after catch. The coaches comment on how great his hands are. Lovie even asks Jeffery if he has dropped a single pass all day? Shortly after that Jeffery pulls up with what looks like a cramp. So, I'm not sure it's much of an injury.

Looks, like the coaches are excited about Jeffery.

 

[flapgreen]

Kellen Davis set for bigger role with Chicago Bears

By Brian McIntyre

Around the League writer

As we count down the days to training camp, Around the League will examine one player from every team set for a breakout campaign in 2012. Next up, the Chicago Bears.

Kellen Davis bound to do more than just block

With the possible exception of Jay Cutler, no player on the Chicago Bears' roster figures to benefit more from the departure of offensive coordinator Mike Martz than fifth-year tight end Kellen Davis.

The 6-foot-7, 260-pound Davis has dressed for all 64 games of his career, playing primarily on special teams his first two seasons as the third tight end on the depth chart, behind Greg Olsen and Desmond Clark. Davis moved up to the second spot in 2010, but the position was a non-factor in Martz's offense, so Davis had more starts (three) than targets (two) and receptions (one). When Olsen was traded to the Carolina Panthers, Davis ascended to the top spot for the 2011 season. A 15-game starter, Davis played in more than 70 percent of the Bears' offensive snaps that campaign ... and caught 18 passes for 206 yards and a team-high five touchdowns.

Former NFL tight end Mike Tice replaced Martz as the offensive coordinator this offseason, and Davis' role in the offense is expected to expand. Tice frequently used personnel groupings that featured multiple tight ends when he was coaching the Minnesota Vikings, and they didn't just serve as blockers. Jermaine Wiggins actually led the Vikings in receptions during Tice's final two seasons in Minnesota.

With the addition of Brandon Marshall on the outside, Davis could have more room to operate down the middle of the field. Davis signed a contract with the Bears in March that would be commensurate with an expanded role. He has fewer than 30 career receptions, but the Bears gave Davis a $2.7 million signing bonus on a two-year, $6 million contract. According to a source with knowledge of that contract, Davis' reception total this season could add up to an additional $500,000 to next year's $2.4 million base salary.

 

[geoff8695]

I'm really about Jeffrey and his receiving skills, but I don't believe the Bears long term solution at TE is on the current roster.

I know this is a new offense and don't mean to be pessimistic, but I haven't been impressed with Davis' receiving ability. I think his catch rate was amongst the lowest in the league last year (amongst starting TEs). Even when Cutler was playing at a high level and the WRs were atrocious, Davis wasn't dependable enough on a team starved for receiving options.

Hope I'm wrong about Davis, but I think he's the weak link as far as receiving options go in 2012. Of course, I'm also the guy that wanted Martellus Bennett and that wasn't a very popular opinion in here several months ago...

 

[RBM]

EXCELLENT.....Forte got his deal. Only thing Ive heard is four yrs.

 

[The Tick]

EXCELLENT.....Forte got his deal. Only thing Ive heard is four yrs.

SWEET! That is great news, there was no reason this shoudln't have been able to get done. We can now go into camp a whole team, and get ready for a hopefully great season.Listening to the score right now and no one seems to know any details yet.Really kinda makes my monday.

 

[KCitons]

Looks like it's around $8 mil per year.

I couldn't be happier as a Bears fan. As a fantasy football owner, the past 3 days have been great. Brees, Forte and T Branch all signed long term deals.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Guaranteed money better be right about what the two franchise tags would have been $18Mish. Anything more than that is foolish.

 

[The Tick]

Guaranteed money better be right about what the two franchise tags would have been $18Mish. Anything more than that is foolish.

That's where i think it will be. I really doubut they strung this out this long when they had all the leverage to give hime 20M+. I'm thinking somewhere betweenb 17.5 and 18.5, but I guess we'll see soon.

 

[RBM]

Just saw its right around 18

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Alright...glad this is done. All things full go heading into 2012.

How about the job Phil Emery is doing....glad they hired him.

In one year he added:

-Quality Backup QB

-Quality Backup RB

-Pro Bowl WR

-2nd round WR with high upside

-1st round Pass rushing DE

-Long term deal with Forte

 

[3nOut]

Alright...glad this is done. All things full go heading into 2012.How about the job Phil Emery is doing....glad they hired him.In one year he added:-Quality Backup QB-Quality Backup RB-Pro Bowl WR-2nd round WR with high upside-1st round Pass rushing DE-Long term deal with Forte

And Flapgreen in 3 ... 2 ...

 

[Clifford]

Alright...glad this is done. All things full go heading into 2012.

How about the job Phil Emery is doing....glad they hired him.

In one year he added:

-Quality Backup QB

-Quality Backup RB

-Pro Bowl WR

-2nd round WR with high upside

-1st round Pass rushing DE

-Long term deal with Forte

In one offseason he's done more good than Angelo did, well, ever. (at least for the offense).To me hiring Martz is like drafting busts in the first round two years in a row.

Here is Angelo's complete draft record (busts in bold, crap in italics, good picks underlined):

2002

1 29 Marc Colombo OT Boston College

3 72 Roosevelt Williams DB Tuskegee

3 93 Terrence Metcalf OT Mississippi

4 104 Alex Brown DE Florida

5 140 Bobby Gray DB Louisiana Tech

5 165 Bryan Knight DE Pittsburgh

6 199 Adrian Peterson RB Georgia Southern

6 203 Jamin Elliott WR Delaware

6 210 Bryan Fletcher TE UCLA

2003

1 14 Michael Haynes DE Penn State

1 22 Rex Grossman QB Florida

2 35 Charles Tillman DB Louisiana-Lafayette

3 68 Lance Briggs LB Arizona

4 100 Todd Johnson DB Florida

4 116 Ian Scott DT Florida

5 139 Bobby Wade WR Arizona

5 143 Justin Gage WR Missouri

5 171 Tron LaFavor DT Florida

6 191 Joe Odom LB Purdue

6 206 Brock Forsey RB Boise State

7 261 Bryan Anderson OG Pittsburgh

2004

1 14 Tommie Harris DT Oklahoma

2 47 Tank Johnson DT Washington

3 78 Bernard Berrian WR Fresno State

4 110 Nathan Vasher DB Texas

4 112 Leon Joe LB Maryland

5 147 Claude Harriott DE Pittsburgh

5 148 Craig Krenzel QB Ohio State

7 215 Alfonso Marshall DB Miami

2005

1 4 Cedric Benson RB Texas

2 39 Mark Bradley WR Oklahoma

4 106 Kyle Orton QB Purdue

5 140 Airese Currie WR Clemson

6 181 Chris Harris DB Louisiana-Monroe

7 220 Rodrigues Wilson LB South Carolina

2006

2 42 Danieal Manning DB Abilene Christian

2 57 Devin Hester DB Miami

3 73 Dusty Dvoracek DL Oklahoma

4 120 Jamar Williams LB Arizona State

5 159 Mark Anderson DE Alabama

6 195 J.D. Runnels RB Oklahoma

6 200 Tyler Reed OG Penn State

2007

1 31 Greg Olsen TE Miami

2 62 Dan Bazuin DE Central Michigan

3 93 Garrett Wolfe RB Northern Illinois

3 94 Michael Okwo LB Stanford

4 130 Josh Beekman OG Boston College

5 167 Kevin Payne DB Louisiana-Monroe

5 168 Corey Graham DB New Hampshire

7 221 Trumaine McBride DB Mississippi

7 241 Aaron Brant OT Iowa State

2008

1 14 Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt

2 44 Matt Forte RB Tulane

3 70 Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt

3 90 Marcus Harrison DT Arkansas

4 120 Craig Steltz DB Louisiana State

5 142 Zack Bowman DB Nebraska

5 158 Kellen Davis TE Michigan State

7 208 Ervin Baldwin DE Michigan State

7 222 Chester Adams OG Georgia

7 243 Joey LaRocque LB Oregon State

7 247 Kirk Barton OT Ohio State

7 248 Marcus Monk WR Arkansas

2009

3 68 Jarron Gilbert DT San Jose State

3 99 Juaquin Iglesias WR Oklahoma

4 105 Henry Melton DE Texas

4 119 D.J. Moore DB Vanderbilt

5 140 Johnny Knox WR Abilene Christian

5 154 Marcus Freeman LB Ohio State

6 190 Al Afalava DB Oregon State

7 246 Lance Louis OG San Diego State

7 251 Derek Kinder WR Pittsburgh

2010

3 75 Major Wright DB Florida

4 109 Corey Wootton DE Northwestern

5 141 Joshua Moore DB Kansas State

6 181 Dan LeFevour QB Central Michigan

7 218 J’Marcus Webb OT West Texas A&M

2011

1 29 Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin

2 53 Stephen Paea DT Oregon State

3 93 Christopher Conte DB California

5 160 Nathan Enderle QB Idaho

6 195 J.T. Thomas LB West Virginia

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

There must be some way to deny him credit for the Cutler trade too, come on.

 

[RBM]

Alright...glad this is done. All things full go heading into 2012.

How about the job Phil Emery is doing....glad they hired him.

In one year he added:

-Quality Backup QB

-Quality Backup RB

-Pro Bowl WR

-2nd round WR with high upside

-1st round Pass rushing DE

-Long term deal with Forte

In one offseason he's done more good than Angelo did, well, ever. (at least for the offense).To me hiring Martz is like drafting busts in the first round two years in a row.

Here is Angelo's complete draft record (busts in bold, crap in italics, good picks underlined):

2002

1 29 Marc Colombo OT Boston College

3 72 Roosevelt Williams DB Tuskegee

3 93 Terrence Metcalf OT Mississippi

4 104 Alex Brown DE Florida

5 140 Bobby Gray DB Louisiana Tech

5 165 Bryan Knight DE Pittsburgh

6 199 Adrian Peterson RB Georgia Southern

6 203 Jamin Elliott WR Delaware

6 210 Bryan Fletcher TE UCLA

2003

1 14 Michael Haynes DE Penn State

1 22 Rex Grossman QB Florida

2 35 Charles Tillman DB Louisiana-Lafayette

3 68 Lance Briggs LB Arizona

4 100 Todd Johnson DB Florida

4 116 Ian Scott DT Florida

5 139 Bobby Wade WR Arizona

5 143 Justin Gage WR Missouri

5 171 Tron LaFavor DT Florida

6 191 Joe Odom LB Purdue

6 206 Brock Forsey RB Boise State

7 261 Bryan Anderson OG Pittsburgh

2004

1 14 Tommie Harris DT Oklahoma

2 47 Tank Johnson DT Washington

3 78 Bernard Berrian WR Fresno State

4 110 Nathan Vasher DB Texas

4 112 Leon Joe LB Maryland

5 147 Claude Harriott DE Pittsburgh

5 148 Craig Krenzel QB Ohio State

7 215 Alfonso Marshall DB Miami

2005

1 4 Cedric Benson RB Texas

2 39 Mark Bradley WR Oklahoma

4 106 Kyle Orton QB Purdue

5 140 Airese Currie WR Clemson

6 181 Chris Harris DB Louisiana-Monroe

7 220 Rodrigues Wilson LB South Carolina

2006

2 42 Danieal Manning DB Abilene Christian

2 57 Devin Hester DB Miami

3 73 Dusty Dvoracek DL Oklahoma

4 120 Jamar Williams LB Arizona State

5 159 Mark Anderson DE Alabama

6 195 J.D. Runnels RB Oklahoma

6 200 Tyler Reed OG Penn State

2007

1 31 Greg Olsen TE Miami

2 62 Dan Bazuin DE Central Michigan

3 93 Garrett Wolfe RB Northern Illinois

3 94 Michael Okwo LB Stanford

4 130 Josh Beekman OG Boston College

5 167 Kevin Payne DB Louisiana-Monroe

5 168 Corey Graham DB New Hampshire

7 221 Trumaine McBride DB Mississippi

7 241 Aaron Brant OT Iowa State

2008

1 14 Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt

2 44 Matt Forte RB Tulane

3 70 Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt

3 90 Marcus Harrison DT Arkansas

4 120 Craig Steltz DB Louisiana State

5 142 Zack Bowman DB Nebraska

5 158 Kellen Davis TE Michigan State

7 208 Ervin Baldwin DE Michigan State

7 222 Chester Adams OG Georgia

7 243 Joey LaRocque LB Oregon State

7 247 Kirk Barton OT Ohio State

7 248 Marcus Monk WR Arkansas

2009

3 68 Jarron Gilbert DT San Jose State

3 99 Juaquin Iglesias WR Oklahoma

4 105 Henry Melton DE Texas

4 119 D.J. Moore DB Vanderbilt

5 140 Johnny Knox WR Abilene Christian

5 154 Marcus Freeman LB Ohio State

6 190 Al Afalava DB Oregon State

7 246 Lance Louis OG San Diego State

7 251 Derek Kinder WR Pittsburgh

2010

3 75 Major Wright DB Florida

4 109 Corey Wootton DE Northwestern

5 141 Joshua Moore DB Kansas State

6 181 Dan LeFevour QB Central Michigan

7 218 J’Marcus Webb OT West Texas A&M

2011

1 29 Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin

2 53 Stephen Paea DT Oregon State

3 93 Christopher Conte DB California

5 160 Nathan Enderle QB Idaho

6 195 J.T. Thomas LB West Virginia

Italics got away from you at the end. Steltz, Wright, Melton, Knox, Bowman....none should be in italics,Ya know who should be though? Michael Haynes. What a loser he was.

 

[Clifford]

Some I couldn't remember. I almost said Knox was a good pick but I thought about it and the dude sucks. Was always afraid to get hit. Steltz could not have had a more wide open door to start and simply can't cut it. What's amazing is that towards the end Angelo had multiple drafts where he hit on one player per draft. That's pretty pathetic

 

[Faust]

Jay Cutler, Brian Urlacher are next Chicago Bears deals

By Brian McIntyre

Around the League writer

"Around the League" is taking a look at each team's salary-cap situation heading into training camp. We continue our trek through the NFC with the Chicago Bears.

Adjusted Cap Number: $131.812 million.

Cap Room Remaining: $4.772 million (this figure is after the Matt Forte deal).

Best Bargain: After spending his rookie season injured and moving from defensive end to three technique defensive tackle, Henry Melton is coming off his best season as a pro, playing in nearly 60 percent of the Bears' defensive snaps and totaling 24 tackles and seven sacks, which ranked second on the team. The 2009 fourth-round draft pick is due the NFL minimum -- $615,000 -- after falling 1.5 sacks short last season of escalating his 2012 base salary to $1.26 million.

Potential Camp Casualty: Two players who are making $1.26 million in non-guaranteed salary and are squarely on the roster bubble are running back Kahlil Bell and wide receiver Johnny Knox. Bell took over the starting job when Forte went down with a knee injury and will compete with Armando Allen for the No. 3 running back role behind Michael Bush. Knox is coming off a horrific back injury while attempting to recover a fumble in a December loss to the Seattle Seahawks. Knox, who could open on the season on the PUP list, likely will have his contract reworked to pay him at a lower rate. Veteran defensive end Chauncey Davis is due $825,000 in base salary, which will be guaranteed if he's on the roster in Week 1. Buried behind Julius Peppers, Israel Idonije and 2012 first-round pick Shea McClellin, Davis might struggle to stick.

Contract Issue Looming In 2013: The Bears face two big issues in 2013. Since the NFL is a quarterback-driven league, we'll go with Jay Cutler first. Cutler is signed through next offseason, but the Bears could look to be proactive and lock him up long-term. Cutler isn't the most cuddly of players, and he's unlikely to sing a duet with Jeff Tweedy on the next Wilco record, but he's the best quarterback the Bears have had in a long time and is just entering the prime of his career. With the re-signing of Forte, coupled with the arrival of Brandon Marshall and position coach Jeremy Bates and the departure of Mike Martz, Cutler is poised for a big season that should place him behind only Sid Luckman on the Bears' all-time passing yards and touchdowns list.

The second contract issue the Bears will need to address is that of middle linebacker Brian Urlacher, who will be an unrestricted free agent in 2013. The heart and soul of the Bears' defense for the last dozen seasons, Urlacher posted 100-plus tackles for the eighth time in his NFL career and picked off three passes before suffering a knee injury in the regular-season finale that kept him off the field during the offseason. Though Urlacher turns 35 next offseason, the Bears will (and should, as long he's healthy) push hard to bring him back.

 

[Statcruncher]

I like Forte, think he's got some great years left, and would like to see him cash in. That being said, there is no way I'd go 5 years with him and the best I would offer would be around 4 years at 32 million with 20 million guaranteed. IMO that's fair and probably a slight overpayment as in his 4th year I would expect he would be average by then.

Just got back from vacation and saw Forte signed at 4/32/18ish. There is no excuse for the Chicago offense this year.

 

[Faust]

Four Downs: Cutler poised for best season?

By ESPNChicago.com

There is plenty of optimism awaiting the Chicago Bears when they report to training camp at Olivet Nazarene University in Bourbonnais on Wednesday. Injuries to Jay Cutler and Matt Forte sabotaged a promising 2011 season and ushered in changes most notably at general manager, offensive coordinator and on the offensive side of the ball.

The Bears (finally) have a legitimate No. 1 receiver in Brandon Marshall, a punishing complement to Matt Forte in Michael Bush and a competent veteran backup quarterback in Jason Campbell.

Cutler and Marshall thrived with each other in the past, and the Bears are counting on the same for their Chicago reunion. Will they raise each other's games again as Bears in 2012?

Our panel weighs in on that and more in a Four Downs look at the offense heading into training camp:

1. Fact or Fiction: Jay Cutler will have a career season in 2012.

Jeff Dickerson: Fact. Check the numbers. Cutler made the Pro Bowl in 2008 for the Denver Broncos with Brandon Marshall as the No. 1 wide receiver and with Jeremy Bates on the coaching staff. The Bears, under new offensive coordinator Mike Tice, plan to tailor the scheme to Cutler’s strengths, something Mike Martz refused to do. Cutler might not eclipse the 4,526 passing yards he accumulated that year in Denver, but he could easily set career bests in touchdown passes (27), completion percentage (63.6) and quarterback rating (88.1).

Michael C. Wright: Fiction. That’s not to say Cutler won’t play well. But he won’t put together a career season in 2012 because he won’t have to. True, Cutler is surrounded by arguably more weapons than ever. But it’s important to remember that the Bears plan to revert to their running roots, which means they probably won’t rely as much on the passing game. Cutler racked up a career-high 4,526 passing yards in 2008 with 25 touchdowns. But that team finished 8-8 and didn’t advance to the playoffs. Big numbers from the quarterback aren’t necessarily indicative of a big year for the team.

Melissa Isaacson: Fiction. But that doesn’t have to be a bad thing. In fact, Bears fans shouldn’t necessarily root for a career year considering that in 2008, when he threw for a career-high 4,526 yards (with 25 touchdowns), the Broncos went 8-8, failed to make the playoffs and two days after the season ended, coach Mike Shanahan was fired. If Cutler is able to fully utilize Marshall, avoid sacks and injury (though Jason Campbell is a lot more capable than Caleb Hanie), and implement a much more friendly and familiar offense under Tice, the numbers will be there -- career-best or not -- and the Bears will benefit.

Jon Greenberg: Fact. He better, right? Even with a still-questionable offensive line -- hey, this is the Bears, don’t expect perfection -- Cutler has everything else he needs to play at his best. He’s got Marshall, Matt Forte, an offensive coordinator from Earth in Tice. And it shouldn’t be forgotten that Cutler should have the benefit of familiarity. This is his fourth season in Chicago. He seems more comfortable in his own skin. All of these things should coalesce into the season we’ve been waiting for.

2. Fact or Fiction: Brandon Marshall will catch 100 passes this season.

Jeff Dickerson: Fact. He better. When Marshall is focused, he is hands down one of the best receivers in the NFL. It’s reasonable to expect Cutler to target Marshall an average of eight to 10 times per game. Marshall is already the best wideout in franchise history, even before catching a single pass in Chicago. So use him early and often. But as Eddie Royal showed in 2008, other receivers can have big years when Cutler and Marshall connect over 100 times in a season. Earl Bennett hauling in 70-plus catches also is not out of the question, but Marshall reaching 100 is a must.

Michael C. Wright: Fiction. Marshall has pulled in 100 catches in three of his first six seasons, and he’ll come close to the century mark in 2012. But he won’t hit it. He won’t need to, similar to the way Cutler doesn’t need the quintessential “career season” for the Bears to be successful. My guess is Marshall falls into the 85-90 catch range, on the way to becoming the ninth receiver in franchise history to gain 1,000 receiving yards. There just seems to be so many other weapons in the rushing attack and receiving corps to warrant feeding the ball to Marshall. Besides that, defenses would be absolutely silly to not make stopping Marshall -- with extra coverage -- a priority.

Melissa Isaacson: Fiction. If Marshall stays healthy, it’s a reasonable expectation that he will be Cutler’s favorite target and make 100 catches, which he last accomplished in 2007, 2008 and 2009. But Cutler also likes Earl Bennett quite a bit; and he’ll have promising rookie Alshon Jeffrey, Devin Hester and dare we say Kellen Davis, not to mention Forte and Bush to spread things around. So again, while it would be great if Marshall had 100 catches, it may not be necessary.

Jon Greenberg: Fact. Because why not? It’s late July, time to dream big. Marshall will be a marked man, of course, but I expect Cutler and Marshall to benefit from an existing chemistry and the former’s eager arm. Marshall caught 82 passes last season in Miami. I’m not even sure the Dolphins had a quarterback.

3. Fact or Fiction: By the end of the season, the offensive line will go from a weakness to a strength.

Michael C. Wright: Fiction. Recent history tells us this offensive line probably won’t ever be a team strength. But the group will definitely look much better in the new Tice offense, which will eliminate the long drops and emphasize protecting Cutler over getting more targets into a route. As the season progresses, defenses surely will find ways to get pressure on Cutler. So it’s likely the offensive line will struggle on occasion. The biggest difference fans will see under Tice, though, is the Bears will correct offensive line issues much quicker than they did under Martz.

Melissa Isaacson: Fact. Once again, the season begins with similar questions, namely who will end up where. Beyond that, will Williams reach his potential and at which position will that happen? Will Carimi live up to the expectations of a first-round draft pick? Will Webb develop the consistency necessary to be an NFL-caliber player? And will the line as a whole protect Cutler and cut down on mental mistakes? In his final five games last season, Cutler was sacked just five times. With the Bears’ re-vamped passing game, it’s fair to expect the line to come out stronger than the beginning of last season. But it’s also fair to expect them to get better as the season goes along.

Jon Greenberg: Fiction. How do you define “strength?” Forget fame and fortune, the Bears should hope the offensive line isn’t talked about at all come winter. Competency should be the first step, and with Tice installing a more normative offensive system, no more seven-step drops and midseason “Come to Lovie” meetings, the line’s individual weaknesses could be covered up and the Bears’ abysmal sack rate should go down precipitously.

Jeff Dickerson: Fiction. That’s too big of a leap to make before the season begins. There are plenty of concerns on the offensive line, starting with the competition at left tackle between Chris Williams and J’Marcus Webb. Neither have been world beaters in the past and protecting Cutler’s blind side is critical. There also is a little uncertainty surrounding Gabe Carimi after he missed nearly his entire rookie season with knee issues. With questions marks at both tackle spots, it’s difficult to forecast the offensive line as necessarily a strength. The Bears would be happy if it simply wasn’t a liability.

4. Fact or Fiction: Michael Bush will have more touchdowns than Matt Forte this season.

Jeff Dickerson: Fact. Forte is one of the best NFL running backs between the 20s. But for whatever reason, the Bears usually prefer to let the second back do the bulk of the work inside the red zone. The Bears paid Bush good money to be Forte’s backup, so it stands to reason the organization is going to want to see a return on their investment. Letting Bush touch the ball around the goal line seems like a smart idea considering the free-agent pickup weighs in at 245 pounds. Bush also has scored 15 rushing touchdowns the past two seasons compared to nine rushing scores for Forte. However, Forte is a terrific receiver out of the backfield, and he will likely catch a few touchdowns from Cutler (Forte has eight career receiving touchdowns). But I expect Bush to narrowly edge out Forte in this department.

Michael C. Wright: Fiction. This is a tough one because I certainly buy the fact the Bears will probably hand it off more to Bush in short-yardage and goal-line situations than Forte. But this season, I’m banking on Forte to score more touchdowns from 10-plus yards out. In 2011, Forte -- because of his intense training -- appeared to be a faster player than he was the previous year. I’m guessing Forte (because he trained angry due to the contract situation) will look even more beastly in 2012. In addition, look for Tice to find more ways to get Forte the ball in the passing game. Surprisingly, Forte caught just one TD pass in 2011. That number grows this season.

Melissa Isaacson: Fact. Potentially the best one-two running back tandem in the league, it is certainly conceivable that Bush, who was utilized in a variety of ways with the Raiders, can be used in the red zone or specifically on the goal line, where he is a strong, straight-ahead rusher. Bush gained more than 1,100 total yards in the final 10 games last season and had 13 touchdowns from 3 yards or less over the last two seasons. One way or another, after signing a four-year contract worth a reported $14 million, including a $7 million signing bonus, Bush will be used.

Jon Greenberg: Fiction. It’s pretty amazing that Forte only had three rushing touchdowns. But I think he’ll benefit from the changes on offense and with Marshall in tow, the natural improvements to a lackluster red zone offense. Forte was so dynamic when he got touches, averaging nearly five yards a carry. Now that he’s getting paid like an elite back, I think he’ll finally pile up the rewards of his hard work -- the touchdowns -- be they from rushing or receiving.

 

[Faust]

Matt Forte or Michael Bush near goal line?

By Kevin Seifert | ESPN.com

Matt Forte's contract agreement last week with the Chicago Bears changed the dynamic of our discussions about their backfield. No longer is newcomer Michael Bush a contingency plan for a possible Forte holdout. Now, Forte and Bush are part of a two-headed backfield that offers plenty of new possibilities.

Our friends over at ESPNChicago.com started the conversation with a "Four Downs" feature that asked, among other questions, whether Forte or Bush would finish the season with more touchdowns. You never know what might happen in the passing game, but in terms of the run, past performance and schematic history suggest Bush could out-score Forte even if he gets a fraction of the carries.

We've discussed Forte's poor production in goal-to-goal situations in previous years. Last season, as the chart shows, he didn't score on any of his 12 carries under those circumstances. Bush, on the other hand, scored on seven of his 20 goal-to-go carries. For perspective, the NFL's most productive goal-to-go runner was probably the Philadelphia Eagles' LeSean McCoy, who scored 11 times on 28 carries.

Forte is among the NFL's most versatile backs, but he has never demonstrated consistent power running near the goal line -- even when playing in two very different offensive schemes under Ron Turner and then Mike Martz. The Bears' current offensive coordinator, Mike Tice, is a long-time proponent of power running, and set up an interesting and at least mildly relevant arrangement during his first year as the Minnesota Vikings' head coach in 2002.

That season, the Vikings started speedy Michael Bennett as their primary tailback and used veteran Moe Williams in short-yardage situations. Bennett finished with 1,296 yards and Williams scored 11 rushing touchdowns on 106 total carries, mostly close to the goal-line.

It would be convenient to conclude that Tice will reprise that situation 10 years later, with Forte as his lead back and Bush playing in short-yardage, but it makes sense and has precedent. That's a pretty good start as we sit here prior to the first whistle of training camp.

(click on the link to see the chart comparing Forte to Bush)

 

[KCitons]

Four Downs: Cutler poised for best season?

By ESPNChicago.com

There is plenty of optimism awaiting the Chicago Bears when they report to training camp at Olivet Nazarene University in Bourbonnais on Wednesday. Injuries to Jay Cutler and Matt Forte sabotaged a promising 2011 season and ushered in changes most notably at general manager, offensive coordinator and on the offensive side of the ball.

The Bears (finally) have a legitimate No. 1 receiver in Brandon Marshall, a punishing complement to Matt Forte in Michael Bush and a competent veteran backup quarterback in Jason Campbell.

Cutler and Marshall thrived with each other in the past, and the Bears are counting on the same for their Chicago reunion. Will they raise each other's games again as Bears in 2012?

Our panel weighs in on that and more in a Four Downs look at the offense heading into training camp:

1. Fact or Fiction: Jay Cutler will have a career season in 2012.

Jeff Dickerson: Fact. Check the numbers. Cutler made the Pro Bowl in 2008 for the Denver Broncos with Brandon Marshall as the No. 1 wide receiver and with Jeremy Bates on the coaching staff. The Bears, under new offensive coordinator Mike Tice, plan to tailor the scheme to Cutler’s strengths, something Mike Martz refused to do. Cutler might not eclipse the 4,526 passing yards he accumulated that year in Denver, but he could easily set career bests in touchdown passes (27), completion percentage (63.6) and quarterback rating (88.1).

Michael C. Wright: Fiction. That’s not to say Cutler won’t play well. But he won’t put together a career season in 2012 because he won’t have to. True, Cutler is surrounded by arguably more weapons than ever. But it’s important to remember that the Bears plan to revert to their running roots, which means they probably won’t rely as much on the passing game. Cutler racked up a career-high 4,526 passing yards in 2008 with 25 touchdowns. But that team finished 8-8 and didn’t advance to the playoffs. Big numbers from the quarterback aren’t necessarily indicative of a big year for the team.

Melissa Isaacson: Fiction. But that doesn’t have to be a bad thing. In fact, Bears fans shouldn’t necessarily root for a career year considering that in 2008, when he threw for a career-high 4,526 yards (with 25 touchdowns), the Broncos went 8-8, failed to make the playoffs and two days after the season ended, coach Mike Shanahan was fired. If Cutler is able to fully utilize Marshall, avoid sacks and injury (though Jason Campbell is a lot more capable than Caleb Hanie), and implement a much more friendly and familiar offense under Tice, the numbers will be there -- career-best or not -- and the Bears will benefit.

Jon Greenberg: Fact. He better, right? Even with a still-questionable offensive line -- hey, this is the Bears, don’t expect perfection -- Cutler has everything else he needs to play at his best. He’s got Marshall, Matt Forte, an offensive coordinator from Earth in Tice. And it shouldn’t be forgotten that Cutler should have the benefit of familiarity. This is his fourth season in Chicago. He seems more comfortable in his own skin. All of these things should coalesce into the season we’ve been waiting for.

2. Fact or Fiction: Brandon Marshall will catch 100 passes this season.

Jeff Dickerson: Fact. He better. When Marshall is focused, he is hands down one of the best receivers in the NFL. It’s reasonable to expect Cutler to target Marshall an average of eight to 10 times per game. Marshall is already the best wideout in franchise history, even before catching a single pass in Chicago. So use him early and often. But as Eddie Royal showed in 2008, other receivers can have big years when Cutler and Marshall connect over 100 times in a season. Earl Bennett hauling in 70-plus catches also is not out of the question, but Marshall reaching 100 is a must.

Michael C. Wright: Fiction. Marshall has pulled in 100 catches in three of his first six seasons, and he’ll come close to the century mark in 2012. But he won’t hit it. He won’t need to, similar to the way Cutler doesn’t need the quintessential “career season” for the Bears to be successful. My guess is Marshall falls into the 85-90 catch range, on the way to becoming the ninth receiver in franchise history to gain 1,000 receiving yards. There just seems to be so many other weapons in the rushing attack and receiving corps to warrant feeding the ball to Marshall. Besides that, defenses would be absolutely silly to not make stopping Marshall -- with extra coverage -- a priority.

Melissa Isaacson: Fiction. If Marshall stays healthy, it’s a reasonable expectation that he will be Cutler’s favorite target and make 100 catches, which he last accomplished in 2007, 2008 and 2009. But Cutler also likes Earl Bennett quite a bit; and he’ll have promising rookie Alshon Jeffrey, Devin Hester and dare we say Kellen Davis, not to mention Forte and Bush to spread things around. So again, while it would be great if Marshall had 100 catches, it may not be necessary.

Jon Greenberg: Fact. Because why not? It’s late July, time to dream big. Marshall will be a marked man, of course, but I expect Cutler and Marshall to benefit from an existing chemistry and the former’s eager arm. Marshall caught 82 passes last season in Miami. I’m not even sure the Dolphins had a quarterback.

3. Fact or Fiction: By the end of the season, the offensive line will go from a weakness to a strength.

Michael C. Wright: Fiction. Recent history tells us this offensive line probably won’t ever be a team strength. But the group will definitely look much better in the new Tice offense, which will eliminate the long drops and emphasize protecting Cutler over getting more targets into a route. As the season progresses, defenses surely will find ways to get pressure on Cutler. So it’s likely the offensive line will struggle on occasion. The biggest difference fans will see under Tice, though, is the Bears will correct offensive line issues much quicker than they did under Martz.

Melissa Isaacson: Fact. Once again, the season begins with similar questions, namely who will end up where. Beyond that, will Williams reach his potential and at which position will that happen? Will Carimi live up to the expectations of a first-round draft pick? Will Webb develop the consistency necessary to be an NFL-caliber player? And will the line as a whole protect Cutler and cut down on mental mistakes? In his final five games last season, Cutler was sacked just five times. With the Bears’ re-vamped passing game, it’s fair to expect the line to come out stronger than the beginning of last season. But it’s also fair to expect them to get better as the season goes along.

Jon Greenberg: Fiction. How do you define “strength?” Forget fame and fortune, the Bears should hope the offensive line isn’t talked about at all come winter. Competency should be the first step, and with Tice installing a more normative offensive system, no more seven-step drops and midseason “Come to Lovie” meetings, the line’s individual weaknesses could be covered up and the Bears’ abysmal sack rate should go down precipitously.

Jeff Dickerson: Fiction. That’s too big of a leap to make before the season begins. There are plenty of concerns on the offensive line, starting with the competition at left tackle between Chris Williams and J’Marcus Webb. Neither have been world beaters in the past and protecting Cutler’s blind side is critical. There also is a little uncertainty surrounding Gabe Carimi after he missed nearly his entire rookie season with knee issues. With questions marks at both tackle spots, it’s difficult to forecast the offensive line as necessarily a strength. The Bears would be happy if it simply wasn’t a liability.

4. Fact or Fiction: Michael Bush will have more touchdowns than Matt Forte this season.

Jeff Dickerson: Fact. Forte is one of the best NFL running backs between the 20s. But for whatever reason, the Bears usually prefer to let the second back do the bulk of the work inside the red zone. The Bears paid Bush good money to be Forte’s backup, so it stands to reason the organization is going to want to see a return on their investment. Letting Bush touch the ball around the goal line seems like a smart idea considering the free-agent pickup weighs in at 245 pounds. Bush also has scored 15 rushing touchdowns the past two seasons compared to nine rushing scores for Forte. However, Forte is a terrific receiver out of the backfield, and he will likely catch a few touchdowns from Cutler (Forte has eight career receiving touchdowns). But I expect Bush to narrowly edge out Forte in this department.

Michael C. Wright: Fiction. This is a tough one because I certainly buy the fact the Bears will probably hand it off more to Bush in short-yardage and goal-line situations than Forte. But this season, I’m banking on Forte to score more touchdowns from 10-plus yards out. In 2011, Forte -- because of his intense training -- appeared to be a faster player than he was the previous year. I’m guessing Forte (because he trained angry due to the contract situation) will look even more beastly in 2012. In addition, look for Tice to find more ways to get Forte the ball in the passing game. Surprisingly, Forte caught just one TD pass in 2011. That number grows this season.

Melissa Isaacson: Fact. Potentially the best one-two running back tandem in the league, it is certainly conceivable that Bush, who was utilized in a variety of ways with the Raiders, can be used in the red zone or specifically on the goal line, where he is a strong, straight-ahead rusher. Bush gained more than 1,100 total yards in the final 10 games last season and had 13 touchdowns from 3 yards or less over the last two seasons. One way or another, after signing a four-year contract worth a reported $14 million, including a $7 million signing bonus, Bush will be used.

Jon Greenberg: Fiction. It’s pretty amazing that Forte only had three rushing touchdowns. But I think he’ll benefit from the changes on offense and with Marshall in tow, the natural improvements to a lackluster red zone offense. Forte was so dynamic when he got touches, averaging nearly five yards a carry. Now that he’s getting paid like an elite back, I think he’ll finally pile up the rewards of his hard work -- the touchdowns -- be they from rushing or receiving.

No offense to you Faust, but this article seems pointless. The only real agreement is that the offensive line won't become great this season. Every other comment evened out, 2 writers chose fact, 2 chose fiction. Unless you hold one writers opinion higher than another, the whole point is lost.

 

[Faust]

No offense to you Faust, but this article seems pointless. The only real agreement is that the offensive line won't become great this season. Every other comment evened out, 2 writers chose fact, 2 chose fiction. Unless you hold one writers opinion higher than another, the whole point is lost.

No offense taken as I didn't write the article. I still found some value in this one, reading the debate and thinking about each of the issues raised, even with a split decision on 3 of the 4 points raised.

 

[Faust]

With healthy Cutler and Forte, and reliable backups, Bears are Packers' biggest worry

By Clark Judge | Senior NFL Columnist

Green Bay wide receiver Greg Jennings recently wondered if the Detroit Lions can keep their composure on or off the field, and I wish I had an answer. But I do have a suggestion: Forget about Detroit. You should be more concerned about the Chicago Bears, Greg, and not because of their composure.

Because of their talent.

I know, Detroit has a raft of gifted young players, a quarterback who just threw for more than 5,000 yards and the best wide receiver in the game. But it's the Bears ... not the Lions ... that should squeeze Green Bay the hardest this season in the NFC North.

That doesn't mean I see Detroit or Chicago catching the Packers, because I don't. But I do see the Bears passing Detroit and closing the gap with the defending NFC North champions ... and let me explain why:

1. Their quarterback: I'm not a Jay Cutler fan, but he seemed to grow up a year ago and started playing the position like a quarterback instead of a passer -- and, yes, there's a difference. Rewind the videotape of the victory against Philadelphia, and you'll see what I mean. Cutler made critical plays and smart decisions and finally started acting like a leader. The guy seems to have grown up, and hallelujah. It's about time. He's always had the talent. Now he might have the intangibles to be something more than someone with a big arm and zero personality. It looks as if that 2010 playoff run made a difference.

2. Their backup quarterback: This might be the offseason move I like most. When Cutler bowed out with a season-ending injury in 2011, the Bears were 7-3. They would win one game afterward, and that's what happens when you have Caleb Hanie as Plan B. OK, so Hanie looked decent in the 2010 conference championship game, responding after he was called off the bench at halftime, but he fizzled a year later. I don't want to be too harsh on the guy, because he might've made it if the Bears didn't lose Matt Forte, too. But they did, and we all know what happened. So Chicago learned from its mistake, signed veteran Jason Campbell, and now is prepared to wheel out a proven quarterback if Cutler is re-injured. Basically, where they were hurt a year ago they won't be hurt again, and that's smart thinking.

3. Their running back: Making Forte happy with a long-term extension not only is good for the team's most effective weapon, it's good for the team, period. It guarantees there won't be distractions involving the guy, and it should guarantee maximum effort and, one would hope, productivity. Forte gained a career-best 4.9 yards per carry last season and produced nearly 1,500 yards rushing and receiving before he was hurt. Plus, he led the league in carries of 20-40 yards and is only 26. The club demonstrated it values Forte. Now it's up to Forte to prove he's worth the investment.

4. Their backup running back: If there was an offseason move to rival the signing of Campbell, it was the signing of Michael Bush. The Bears were 1-3 without Forte last season, and, as I said, you can make the argument that had he not bowed out they would have made it to the playoffs. All I know is that Forte wouldn't have run out of bounds in Denver, and neither will Bush. The guy could start for almost anybody, but sat behind Darren McFadden in Oakland -- that is, until McFadden would get hurt ... which was often. Then the Raiders would turn to Bush, and he responded by running for 2,221 yards, gaining 4.1 yards a carry and producing 19 TDs the past three seasons. All I know is that his addition prevents a collapse similar to last season. Plus, it gives the Bears another weapon and someone to relieve Forte, keeping him fresh.

5. Their wide receiver: No, I'm not a big Brandon Marshall guy, either, because of character concerns that keep driving him to another area code. But I do know one quarterback who can thrive with him, and it's the same quarterback he had in Denver when he caught a career-high 104 passes in 2008. Cutler hasn't had a target like Marshall in his three years in Chicago, and it handicapped him and the team. Now that he does, the Bears have a bona fide outside threat who should draw double coverage, open the field for other targets, and make the Bears a more dangerous -- and effective -- passing offense.

6. Their special teams: People tell me kickers and punters and returners don't matter, but if that's the case, then what kept San Francisco and Baltimore from Super Bowl XLVI? The Bears are loaded in this area and just added returner Eric Weems to a cast that already features Devin Hester and his 17 touchdown returns, Johnnie Knox, Robbie Gould and Adam Podlesh. Weems' value was compromised by the NFL moving kickoffs to the 35-yard line, but I remember what the guy did against Green Bay in the 2010 playoffs -- and I bet the Packers do, too. The rich just got richer.

7. Their defense: This is where the Bears and Lions diverge most. Chicago can beat you with a defense that includes four Pro Bowl selections. Detroit? Not so much. The Lions were gashed for 550 yards and six touchdown passes in the 2011 season finale ... by a backup quarterback. The Bears ranked 14th in points allowed, Detroit ranked 23rd. OK, so Chicago could improve its pass rush. It just did with the addition of rookie Shea McClellin.

Bottom line: The Bears were a playoff team waiting to happen a year ago ... only it never happened. Had they not lost Cutler and Forte, they would have made it. Instead, they collapsed, dropping five of their last six, and finished 8-8 -- one game out of the picture.

Well, that's not going to happen again. First of all, they have a healthy Cutler and Forte. Just as important, they have a backup plan. If either or both are hurt again, the Bears can do what they could not in 2011, which is to turn to reliable and experienced understudies to prevent another catastrophe.

Someone better tell Greg Jennings.

 

[KCitons]

No offense to you Faust, but this article seems pointless. The only real agreement is that the offensive line won't become great this season. Every other comment evened out, 2 writers chose fact, 2 chose fiction. Unless you hold one writers opinion higher than another, the whole point is lost.

No offense taken as I didn't write the article. I still found some value in this one, reading the debate and thinking about each of the issues raised, even with a split decision on 3 of the 4 points raised.

OK, because I really meant no offense. I wasn't blaming you. Ultimately, fans want to know, are the Bears going to be better? Playoffs? Super Bowl? After reading that article, the answer is "maybe" LOL Just like last year.

 

[geoff8695]

...Ultimately, fans want to know, are the Bears going to be better? Playoffs? Super Bowl? After reading that article, the answer is "maybe" LOL Just like last year.

In no way am I defending the article as some kind of "revelation", and you have a point about speculation as to the question of the Bears' prospects for success in any given year. It's "maybe" for over half the teams in the league for any given season. However, I don't feel that 2012 is "Just like last year."There was a sense of something special in the early going of the 2006 season, and with the legitimate (dare I say elite?) offensive weapons that are now in place, I get the sense that 2012 might become a special season as well. Certainly the defense needs to hang on for one more season, there are question marks on both lines, the defensive backfield, and the offensive line MUST improve, but deficiencies in the passing game of years past have now become potential strengths, and the offense doesn't have to revolve around Forte moving forward. Best of all, Forte, Cutler, and Marshall are all in the primes of their careers and will be supported by promising talent virtually all around them. I don't think 2012 will resemble 2011 at all.

 

[mbuehner]

Anybody catch the press conference? Any news or just the usual pre-camp stuff?