Childress: Taylor Will Remain The Starter (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

His status for Week 2 is uncertain.

From RotoWorld:

Coach Brad Childress said Monday that RB Chester Taylor will continue to start if healthy, but his status for Week 2 is uncertain because of an oblique contusion suffered Sunday.

"Luckily, I don't deal in fan polls," Childress said. "Otherwise, I'd invite them all in to run a meeting I'm going to go through here in about 20 minutes. That's what sells your newspapers. You can have those polls that they check those dots and percentage it up." We're not sure what that means, but it's going to be tough to keep Adrian Peterson off the field after his performance in Week 1.

 

[Lehigh98]

His status for Week 2 is uncertain.From RotoWorld:Coach Brad Childress said Monday that RB Chester Taylor will continue to start if healthy, but his status for Week 2 is uncertain because of an oblique contusion suffered Sunday."Luckily, I don't deal in fan polls," Childress said. "Otherwise, I'd invite them all in to run a meeting I'm going to go through here in about 20 minutes. That's what sells your newspapers. You can have those polls that they check those dots and percentage it up." We're not sure what that means, but it's going to be tough to keep Adrian Peterson off the field after his performance in Week 1.

"Chester is the undisputed starter when healthy, that said, I think this minor hip injury may keep him out for the next 16 weeks."

 

[shadyridr]

If Taylor sits this week Adrian is a MUST start. If Taylor plays, AD is still a solid start.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

His status for Week 2 is uncertain.

From RotoWorld:

Coach Brad Childress said Monday that RB Chester Taylor will continue to start if healthy, but his status for Week 2 is uncertain because of an oblique contusion suffered Sunday.

"Luckily, I don't deal in fan polls," Childress said. "Otherwise, I'd invite them all in to run a meeting I'm going to go through here in about 20 minutes. That's what sells your newspapers. You can have those polls that they check those dots and percentage it up." We're not sure what that means, but it's going to be tough to keep Adrian Peterson off the field after his performance in Week 1.

There's hope for this Childress guy yet.

 

[LILB811]

His status for Week 2 is uncertain.

From RotoWorld:

Coach Brad Childress said Monday that RB Chester Taylor will continue to start if healthy, but his status for Week 2 is uncertain because of an oblique contusion suffered Sunday.

"Luckily, I don't deal in fan polls," Childress said. "Otherwise, I'd invite them all in to run a meeting I'm going to go through here in about 20 minutes. That's what sells your newspapers. You can have those polls that they check those dots and percentage it up." We're not sure what that means, but it's going to be tough to keep Adrian Peterson off the field after his performance in Week 1.

There's hope for this Childress guy yet.

Childress unfortunately didn't say that. That was a Rotoworld comment. I think he may eventually be smart enough to get the most talented guy on the field.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

You can't unring a bell. Hopefully it doesn't take Childress losing a game to realize what he has in AD.

 

[gianmarco]

His status for Week 2 is uncertain.

From RotoWorld:

Coach Brad Childress said Monday that RB Chester Taylor will continue to start if healthy, but his status for Week 2 is uncertain because of an oblique contusion suffered Sunday.

"Luckily, I don't deal in fan polls," Childress said. "Otherwise, I'd invite them all in to run a meeting I'm going to go through here in about 20 minutes. That's what sells your newspapers. You can have those polls that they check those dots and percentage it up." We're not sure what that means, but it's going to be tough to keep Adrian Peterson off the field after his performance in Week 1.

There's hope for this Childress guy yet.

Problem is, Childress didn't say the bolded statement, the writer did.

 

[Marc Levin]

His status for Week 2 is uncertain.

From RotoWorld:

Coach Brad Childress said Monday that RB Chester Taylor will continue to start if healthy, but his status for Week 2 is uncertain because of an oblique contusion suffered Sunday.

"Luckily, I don't deal in fan polls," Childress said. "Otherwise, I'd invite them all in to run a meeting I'm going to go through here in about 20 minutes. That's what sells your newspapers. You can have those polls that they check those dots and percentage it up." We're not sure what that means, but it's going to be tough to keep Adrian Peterson off the field after his performance in Week 1.

"Chester is the undisputed starter when healthy, that said, I think this minor hip injury may keep him out can keep him on the injury report and therefore "injured" and not starting for the next 16 weeks."

:corrected:

 

[tomarken]

His status for Week 2 is uncertain.From RotoWorld:Coach Brad Childress said Monday that RB Chester Taylor will continue to start if healthy, but his status for Week 2 is uncertain because of an oblique contusion suffered Sunday."Luckily, I don't deal in fan polls," Childress said. "Otherwise, I'd invite them all in to run a meeting I'm going to go through here in about 20 minutes. That's what sells your newspapers. You can have those polls that they check those dots and percentage it up." We're not sure what that means, but it's going to be tough to keep Adrian Peterson off the field after his performance in Week 1.

"Chester is the undisputed starter when healthy, that said, I think this minor hip injury may keep him out for the next 16 weeks."

 

[Mungo Burrows]

His status for Week 2 is uncertain.

From RotoWorld:

Coach Brad Childress said Monday that RB Chester Taylor will continue to start if healthy, but his status for Week 2 is uncertain because of an oblique contusion suffered Sunday.

"Luckily, I don't deal in fan polls," Childress said. "Otherwise, I'd invite them all in to run a meeting I'm going to go through here in about 20 minutes. That's what sells your newspapers. You can have those polls that they check those dots and percentage it up." We're not sure what that means, but it's going to be tough to keep Adrian Peterson off the field after his performance in Week 1.

There's hope for this Childress guy yet.

Problem is, Childress didn't say the bolded statement, the writer did.

Back to reading comprehension classes for me

 

[ctdub]

His status for Week 2 is uncertain.From RotoWorld:Coach Brad Childress said Monday that RB Chester Taylor will continue to start if healthy, but his status for Week 2 is uncertain because of an oblique contusion suffered Sunday."Luckily, I don't deal in fan polls," Childress said. "Otherwise, I'd invite them all in to run a meeting I'm going to go through here in about 20 minutes. That's what sells your newspapers. You can have those polls that they check those dots and percentage it up." We're not sure what that means, but it's going to be tough to keep Adrian Peterson off the field after his performance in Week 1.

Childress knows what he has in Peterson. He has to be diplomatic in how he handles the situation though. As an AD owner in 1 of my 3 leagues.. I'm hope Taylor gets to play and I'm ok with him getting the start and taking the first few hits. As long as Peterson gets 18-22 carries a game I'm good. I don't want him getting the bulk of his carries until the second half when the defense is worn down a little bit.

 

[Woz]

Childress isn't an idiot. Besides, it's beneficial for AD to have Chester getting a chunk of the carries too to keep him fresh. Imagine AD later in the year against tired defenses and he's still fresh...

Thinking Chester will get 1 series to Peterson's 2.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

His status for Week 2 is uncertain.

From RotoWorld:

Coach Brad Childress said Monday that RB Chester Taylor will continue to start if healthy, but his status for Week 2 is uncertain because of an oblique contusion suffered Sunday.

"Luckily, I don't deal in fan polls," Childress said. "Otherwise, I'd invite them all in to run a meeting I'm going to go through here in about 20 minutes. That's what sells your newspapers. You can have those polls that they check those dots and percentage it up." We're not sure what that means, but it's going to be tough to keep Adrian Peterson off the field after his performance in Week 1.

I'm game.Anyway, I'm all for a 60/40 split of AP/CT.

 

[packersfan]

Wednesday update from RotoWire:

Taylor (bruised oblique) did some running in a pool early in practice on Wednesday but head coach Brad Childress said he'd be limited this week. "As it stands, I'm not quite sure about Chester," he told the St. Paul Pioneer Press.

 

[Sir Psycho]

 

[shadyridr]

 

[sholditch]

Anyone else sick of these coaches feeding the press a bunch of crap when even they know they'd be idiots to do what they said? I mean, if he means by "starting" being allowed to stink up a couple of series and waste a few drives before we acknowledge the inevitable and put in our world beater, then fine, CT is your starter, you jagoff. But if he actually means "despite AP showing us beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's the best runner in the division, possibly the conference, and most definitely our team, we are going to give the bulk of the carries to his older, slower, less elusive counterpart", then this guy is just a #######g moron. I mean, your "starter" has already been injured in the first game and through a good chunk of preseason, and has never shown an ounce of the potential ADP showed on Sunday, yet he remains your "starter"?

Diplomacy is one thing, but if this idiot actually means what he says, why doesn't he just save himself and the team the trouble and just go out back and beat his #### with a hammer?

 

[Colin Dowling]

His status for Week 2 is uncertain.From RotoWorld:Coach Brad Childress said Monday that RB Chester Taylor will continue to start if healthy, but his status for Week 2 is uncertain because of an oblique contusion suffered Sunday."Luckily, I don't deal in fan polls," Childress said. "Otherwise, I'd invite them all in to run a meeting I'm going to go through here in about 20 minutes. That's what sells your newspapers. You can have those polls that they check those dots and percentage it up." We're not sure what that means, but it's going to be tough to keep Adrian Peterson off the field after his performance in Week 1.

"Chester is the undisputed starter when healthy, that said, I think this minor hip injury may keep him out for the next 16 weeks."

 

[Colin Dowling]

Anyone else sick of these coaches feeding the press a bunch of crap when even they know they'd be idiots to do what they said? I mean, if he means by "starting" being allowed to stink up a couple of series and waste a few drives before we acknowledge the inevitable and put in our world beater, then fine, CT is your starter, you jagoff. But if he actually means "despite AP showing us beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's the best runner in the division, possibly the conference, and most definitely our team, we are going to give the bulk of the carries to his older, slower, less elusive counterpart", then this guy is just a #######g moron. I mean, your "starter" has already been injured in the first game and through a good chunk of preseason, and has never shown an ounce of the potential ADP showed on Sunday, yet he remains your "starter"?Diplomacy is one thing, but if this idiot actually means what he says, why doesn't he just save himself and the team the trouble and just go out back and beat his #### with a hammer?

Peterson needs to earn it. Veterans are veterans for a reason and one great performance is just a start.(My best attempt at coachbabble....how did I do?)

 

[Keys Myaths]

and has never shown an ounce of the potential ADP showed on Sunday, yet he remains your "starter"?

1404 total yards and 6 touchdowns last year?Your entire post touts this as a "no-brainer", and calls Childress an idiot for even thinking about starting Taylor. I cut only this section out to save you from looking like a complete idiot.Yes, AP is a wonderful, wonderful talent. He's also brand new, and probably needs to be broken in for a few more games before he takes over full-time. Chester, while not on the same level talent-wise, knows the offense, and is extremely good in his own right.Some people just need to take a step back and breathe when they disagree with something rather than fly off the handle. They might step back and see that everything's not so black and white.

 

[HF21]

Veterans are veterans for a reason

Because they are older and have been in the league longer?

 

[shadyridr]

Anyone else sick of these coaches feeding the press a bunch of crap when even they know they'd be idiots to do what they said? I mean, if he means by "starting" being allowed to stink up a couple of series and waste a few drives before we acknowledge the inevitable and put in our world beater, then fine, CT is your starter, you jagoff. But if he actually means "despite AP showing us beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's the best runner in the division, possibly the conference, and most definitely our team, we are going to give the bulk of the carries to his older, slower, less elusive counterpart", then this guy is just a #######g moron. I mean, your "starter" has already been injured in the first game and through a good chunk of preseason, and has never shown an ounce of the potential ADP showed on Sunday, yet he remains your "starter"?Diplomacy is one thing, but if this idiot actually means what he says, why doesn't he just save himself and the team the trouble and just go out back and beat his #### with a hammer?

You dont think perhaps Peterson still needs to learn quite a few things, you know being a rookie and all?

 

[Gr00vus]

Anyone else sick of these coaches feeding the press a bunch of crap when even they know they'd be idiots to do what they said? I mean, if he means by "starting" being allowed to stink up a couple of series and waste a few drives before we acknowledge the inevitable and put in our world beater, then fine, CT is your starter, you jagoff. But if he actually means "despite AP showing us beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's the best runner in the division, possibly the conference, and most definitely our team, we are going to give the bulk of the carries to his older, slower, less elusive counterpart", then this guy is just a #######g moron. I mean, your "starter" has already been injured in the first game and through a good chunk of preseason, and has never shown an ounce of the potential ADP showed on Sunday, yet he remains your "starter"?Diplomacy is one thing, but if this idiot actually means what he says, why doesn't he just save himself and the team the trouble and just go out back and beat his #### with a hammer?

Peterson needs to earn it. Veterans are veterans for a reason and one great performance is just a start.(My best attempt at coachbabble....how did I do?)

You are what we thought they are.

 

[Gr00vus]

You dont think perhaps Peterson still needs to learn quite a few things, you know being a rookie and all?

Not only that, but why not save some wear and tear on the kid when you've got a pretty good one two punch?

 

[zoonation]

Anyone else sick of these coaches feeding the press a bunch of crap when even they know they'd be idiots to do what they said? I mean, if he means by "starting" being allowed to stink up a couple of series and waste a few drives before we acknowledge the inevitable and put in our world beater, then fine, CT is your starter, you jagoff. But if he actually means "despite AP showing us beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's the best runner in the division, possibly the conference, and most definitely our team, we are going to give the bulk of the carries to his older, slower, less elusive counterpart", then this guy is just a #######g moron. I mean, your "starter" has already been injured in the first game and through a good chunk of preseason, and has never shown an ounce of the potential ADP showed on Sunday, yet he remains your "starter"?Diplomacy is one thing, but if this idiot actually means what he says, why doesn't he just save himself and the team the trouble and just go out back and beat his #### with a hammer?

C. Taylor ran hard last year and was very productive. You need two backs in this league (with very few exceptions) especially when your "world beater" can't finish a college season.50/50 split when Taylor is healthy. -Peterson owner

 

[Ahmad Rashad]

Has any rookie RB ever had a better first game stat-wise? I seriously doubt any rookie RB has ever had a similar first-game performance when not starting.

CT may be the nominal starter when he comes back healthy, but he won't be the main ballcarrier.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Has any rookie RB ever had a better first game stat-wise? I seriously doubt any rookie RB has ever had a similar first-game performance when not starting.

It's not fair to qualify it with the bolded. Taylor got hurt early...that basically made Peterson the "starter".

 

[FFdork]

C. Taylor ran hard last year and was very productive. You need two backs in this league (with very few exceptions) especially when your "world beater" can't finish a college season.50/50 split when Taylor is healthy. -Peterson owner

That could be. I suspect in overall touches, we'll see a little more of AD. Given the huge gap between him and the next talented offensive playmaker in that offense, I would expect them to have some specially designed plays for him. Chester is a good receiver (probably better than AD at this point), but I think they'll have a few designed screens or other passing plays trying to get AD out in space where he can work his magic.

 

[zoonation]

C. Taylor ran hard last year and was very productive. You need two backs in this league (with very few exceptions) especially when your "world beater" can't finish a college season.50/50 split when Taylor is healthy. -Peterson owner

That could be. I suspect in overall touches, we'll see a little more of AD. Given the huge gap between him and the next talented offensive playmaker in that offense, I would expect them to have some specially designed plays for him. Chester is a good receiver (probably better than AD at this point), but I think they'll have a few designed screens or other passing plays trying to get AD out in space where he can work his magic.

I agree with your assessment. However a 60/40 split in favor of AD is the best we can hope for when Taylor is healthy. If Taylor misses significant time AD is clearly an RB1 talent and with the opportunity would easily produce as such behind that stellar O-line. No one would dispute this (at least I think not).Min will get him the ball. I am just amazed, however, that people around here think that he is just going to assume the starter role and relegate Taylor to the bench. Not going to happen, folks. He will get his 12-18 touches a game and will produce nicely as RB2/Flex for most of he year

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

You don't lose your starting job to an injury. The vikings have a young team and Childress is beaing a leader of the team But anyone who watched that game knows who is getting the rock more this year.

meanwhile I am wfwding this to a gu I am trying to pry peterson from.

 

[sholditch]

and has never shown an ounce of the potential ADP showed on Sunday, yet he remains your "starter"?

1404 total yards and 6 touchdowns last year?Your entire post touts this as a "no-brainer", and calls Childress an idiot for even thinking about starting Taylor. I cut only this section out to save you from looking like a complete idiot.

Yes, AP is a wonderful, wonderful talent. He's also brand new, and probably needs to be broken in for a few more games before he takes over full-time. Chester, while not on the same level talent-wise, knows the offense, and is extremely good in his own right.

Some people just need to take a step back and breathe when they disagree with something rather than fly off the handle. They might step back and see that everything's not so black and white.

I saw what I saw. I've been watching Taylor for years, and never once have I seen him do anything that looked as good as AP running the ball. As others have pointed out, the Bell tolled after that game. And, this is going to be in name only if that. Once he let's CT average 3.5 ypc vs. AP's 5 the fans and media will start calling him out and AP will be the starter, and you don't need a crystal ball to see this happening. CT was a backup his entire career before he got to Minny and he'll be a backup again. Furthermore, I'll bet right now that if CT gets shipped to another team he won't start.CT, when given the ball repeatedly, running behind one of the better offensive lines in football, managed only one month out of the year where he averaged over 4 ypc, and that was in October, and only had that because he racked up yards against the DET and SEA run D, which if you remember was atrocious. The other two games he played Buffalo and NE, above average run Ds, and averaged right around 2.5 for both. He only had five games in which he averaged over 4.0 ypc, the above-mentioned two and also against AZ, CAR, and CHI late in the season when their run D had been decimated by Harris's injury. He averaged below 3.0 ypc the same number of times: 5. So, considering that + 4.0 ypc is considered the demarcation of "decent" running back play, and - 3.0 ypc is basically considered terrible RB play, he had the same number of terrible games that he had decent ones. So, according to his numbers, CT, as a starter, is somewhere between decent and horrible. Furthermore, the last three games of the year, he failed top 50 yards rushing and averaged about 3.3 ypc.

I'm sorry, but CT, if you contrast his numbers from last year with his career at Baltimore, has all the hallmarks of a backup. He's just not that good. And I don't think anyone who watched ADP run on Sunday, against a Falcons D that has been middle-of-the-road for years, would disagree that we are looking at one of the leagues stars for years to come. Find me anyone who would honestly say that about CT, Minny coaching staff included.

I'm sorry, vets are vets, yadda yadda yadda, AP already has the ability to be an elite runner in this league, and sticking with CT as your starter (which is a lot easier to say when you know he'll still be limited by injury at least in the coming week and therefore not start, or only see a few series) is needless self-flagellation, especially with a fan base that is absolutely starving for something to be positive about.

 

[packersfan]

You don't lose your starting job to an injury.

Tell that to Don Majkowski.

 

[reg]

Furthermore, the last three games of the year, he failed top 50 yards rushing and averaged about 3.3 ypc.

I believe he was injured those last few weeks. Sore ribs and wrist maybe?

 

[Incogneto]

You don't lose your starting job to an injury.

Tell that to Don Majkowski.

...and Drew Bledsoe

 

[sholditch]

Furthermore, the last three games of the year, he failed top 50 yards rushing and averaged about 3.3 ypc.

I believe he was injured those last few weeks. Sore ribs and wrist maybe?

And only one counted in his 5 games below 3.0 ypc.I'm sorry, the guy managed to rack up yards against some suspect Ds when given the ball 20+ times. It doesn't make him a good back. As I stated before, his numbers as a starter clearly show that he is somewhere between decent and horrible, which at best makes him sub-mediocre. Now, you're a coach: are you going to start a back you know to be sub-mediocre, or one that at least appears to be quite good?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Is this the thread where everyone that did not get ADP in their drafts and bypassed him 3 or 4 times has sour grapes and starts siding with the coachbabble? Just checking!

 

[Keys Myaths]

Is this the thread where everyone that did not get ADP in their drafts and bypassed him 3 or 4 times has sour grapes and starts siding with the coachbabble? Just checking!

Um, no.I own Peterson in 3 of five leagues. That has nothing to do with my actual opinion of the situation, MoP. You're better than that.

 

[TheFanatic]

His status for Week 2 is uncertain.From RotoWorld:Coach Brad Childress said Monday that RB Chester Taylor will continue to start if healthy, but his status for Week 2 is uncertain because of an oblique contusion suffered Sunday."Luckily, I don't deal in fan polls," Childress said. "Otherwise, I'd invite them all in to run a meeting I'm going to go through here in about 20 minutes. That's what sells your newspapers. You can have those polls that they check those dots and percentage it up." We're not sure what that means, but it's going to be tough to keep Adrian Peterson off the field after his performance in Week 1.

"Chester is the undisputed starter when healthy, that said, I think this minor hip injury may keep him out for the next 16 weeks."

This is exactly what I was thinking in particular with this franchise. Remember when the Vikes QB went down and Cunningham came in and they went like 15-1? The coach kept saying that the starter doesn't lose his job to injury, but he has to be 100% healthy to start. Turns out the starter was 99.8% healthy for the rest of the season. He just couldn't get that last .2% to get Cunningham off the field.

 

[ctdub]

1. 1400 yards and 6 td's doesn't mean anything. I could have ran for 1000 yards in that offense last year. He is a career backup!!

2. This myth that CT is a better receiver is crazy. Maybe he has better hands, but if that the case Mewlede Moore is the better rec. He is a threat to score every time he touches the ball and proved that with his catch and run Sunday.

On a side note... How many runningbacks are trully a threat to score everytime they touch the ball? LT, AD, FWP? Is Bush?

 

[sholditch]

Is this the thread where everyone that did not get ADP in their drafts and bypassed him 3 or 4 times has sour grapes and starts siding with the coachbabble? Just checking!

Um, no.I own Peterson in 3 of five leagues. That has nothing to do with my actual opinion of the situation, MoP. You're better than that.

no reaction to the actual numbers?

 

[Keys Myaths]

Is this the thread where everyone that did not get ADP in their drafts and bypassed him 3 or 4 times has sour grapes and starts siding with the coachbabble? Just checking!

Um, no.I own Peterson in 3 of five leagues. That has nothing to do with my actual opinion of the situation, MoP. You're better than that.

no reaction to the actual numbers?

Honestly, I don't have the energy to right now. If you want to declare victory, go right ahead.It's 4:30, and I have meetings until 8. So, in summary: I don't feel like it.

 

[shakeybarn]

Vikes 07 reek of Jags 06

Mediocre passing game, charged with not losing week in week out.... dual RB via different styles. How many weeks did Fred start?

Use Chester to grind out, short yardge, chagne of pace, share work

Hit home runs with Adrian, hi powered plays, plays widening field, share work

With that O-line, ...that QB and those WRs... everyone knows they'll run, and there won't be much they can do.

That being said... if AP 07 = MJD 06 in a RBBC environment... still not bad.

 

[Texican]

Could ADP/Taylor be similar to Maroney/Dillon last year?

 

[ctdub]

1. 1400 yards and 6 td's doesn't mean anything. I could have ran for 1000 yards in that offense last year. He is a career backup!!2. This myth that CT is a better receiver is crazy. Maybe he has better hands, but if that the case Mewlede Moore is the better rec. He is a threat to score every time he touches the ball and proved that with his catch and run Sunday. On a side note... How many runningbacks are trully a threat to score everytime they touch the ball? LT, AD, FWP? Is Bush?

I'd probably add MJD to the threat to score every touch list.

 

[packersfan]

Vikes 07 reek of Jags 06Mediocre passing game, charged with not losing week in week out.... dual RB via different styles. How many weeks did Fred start?

The difference - and it's a rather significant one in my opinion - is Fred Taylor is a much better RB than Chester Taylor.

 

[Phlash]

Could ADP/Taylor be similar to Maroney/Dillon last year?

I could see thatADP > MaroneyTaylor < Dillon

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

You don't lose your starting job to an injury.

Tell that to Don Majkowski.

I more mean t that is coachspeak. You obviously can lose your job to an injury, butthat is not necesarily a way to build team chemistry. By the type CT comes back fully AP will have the job IMO. But will obviously split carries, which is really fine over the long haul.

 

[TD32]

AD is who we thought he was. If you want to crown him as the starter, then crown him. 6 other teams could have drafted him, but they let him off the hook.

 

[shakeybarn]

Vikes 07 reek of Jags 06Mediocre passing game, charged with not losing week in week out.... dual RB via different styles. How many weeks did Fred start?

The difference - and it's a rather significant one in my opinion - is Fred Taylor is a much better RB than Chester Taylor.

I like those prospects....Chester not as good as FredAnd Scarlett's Chesters aren't bad in that avatar, either....

 

[Fantasy Fix Fred]

FF nightmare