Chili. Beans or not. Time to Settle this once and for all. (2 Viewers)

[Pipes]

Indifferent here. I typically add 1 can of beans (16oz) to about 3 lbs of stew meat and a 1lb or so of chorizo. I like it better with beans but in moderation like a previous poster mentioned the meat to bean ratio should be at least 3 to 1 if not higher. I want chili not bean soup.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Anything I can do to aggravate the "purists" on this issue is fine by me.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

Prefer no beans, but OK with beans too.

Not the hill I'm going to die on, because I'm not deranged.

Haha.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Of course, I fly into a rage spiral if someone makes me a Manhattan with bourbon, so I'm probably just a gigantic hypocrite.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

Anything I can do to aggravate the "purists" on this issue is fine by me.

You have been put on a secret watch list.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I do note that when I make red beans and rice I put in onions and Andouille sausage, yet I just call it red beans and rice.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Anything I can do to aggravate the "purists" on this issue is fine by me.

You have been put on a secret watch list.

An enemy of Texas?

 

[psychobillies]

I don't understand the semantic purity argument. We all know that the dish originally did not contain beans. We all know that it generally still does not in Texas. Pretty much everywhere else in the United States, it does. Dishes change. Very few dishes are prepared the same way they were when they were invented. And nobody gets salty when people put cheese or sour cream on chili, despite the fact that I'm pretty sure those were items that the chuck wagon cooks who invented chili didn't have available to them on cattle drives either. I mean, Smails "authentic" chili relies on all kinds of #### that wasn't in the original recipe. You think they were putting beer and Jack Daniels in there?

I enjoy chili both ways, but when I make it, I use beans. Both because most people I make it for prefer it that way, and because buying two lbs of meat and three cans of chili beans is a lot cheaper than buying 5 lbs of meat.

I don't make the rules.

I'm fine eating meat soup with beans. I prefer Chile, but I'll eat both. I'm not sure why everyone wants to change the English language over this. There is no such thing as chile "with beans".

Yes there is. It's Chili with Beans added to it a.k.a. Chili with BeansIs there no such thing as Caesar Salad with Chicken?

Tuna on Rye with Tomato?

Bread with Butter?

Stop being silly.

Totally different. You can put whatever you want on a salad and it's still a salad. Same with a sandwich.

A salad that comes with Chicken on it is a Salad with Chicken

Chili that comes with beans is Chili with Beans

How are those concepts totally different?

I've eaten a lot of Chili that had some beans added to it. How should I describe that? meat soup with beans?

So if I want to put either cilantro, chopped red onion or cheese on top of my chili I need to call it Meat Soup with Chopped Onion on Top of it?

What if I want to drink a beer with my Chili.

Is it now Meat Soup with a Beer on the side?

Yes to the bolded.

Let me put it this way. What if someone doesn't eat meat, and doesn't like chile pepper? Can they just put tofu and tomatoes in a pot of water and call it chile? Of course not. It would be total anarchy.

You do realize you sound like a fool, and that is a terrible analogy, right?

No one is removing any key chili ingredients when they add beans. They are adding beans.

What you are trying to compare is: "If you took a caesar salad, and added chicken, but removed the croutons and caesar dressing, would it be caesar salad?"

It's ridiculous.

Wait. Let em get this straight. I sound foolish in a thread about chile on a football side board?

If I die, please don't let my family see this.

And just for clarification, if you remove the croutons and dressing, it is not caesar salad. There is a line that gets crossed that changes it from lettuce to caesar. With chile, that line is crossed when you add beans. It's not that complicated.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Me, I think it does not qualify as chili if your movement after does not deglaze your porcelain.

 

[Frostillicus]

Chili "purists" are literally the worst people on earth. Outside of Duke fans.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I don't understand the semantic purity argument. We all know that the dish originally did not contain beans. We all know that it generally still does not in Texas. Pretty much everywhere else in the United States, it does. Dishes change. Very few dishes are prepared the same way they were when they were invented. And nobody gets salty when people put cheese or sour cream on chili, despite the fact that I'm pretty sure those were items that the chuck wagon cooks who invented chili didn't have available to them on cattle drives either. I mean, Smails "authentic" chili relies on all kinds of #### that wasn't in the original recipe. You think they were putting beer and Jack Daniels in there?

I enjoy chili both ways, but when I make it, I use beans. Both because most people I make it for prefer it that way, and because buying two lbs of meat and three cans of chili beans is a lot cheaper than buying 5 lbs of meat.

I don't make the rules.

I'm fine eating meat soup with beans. I prefer Chile, but I'll eat both. I'm not sure why everyone wants to change the English language over this. There is no such thing as chile "with beans".

Yes there is. It's Chili with Beans added to it a.k.a. Chili with BeansIs there no such thing as Caesar Salad with Chicken?

Tuna on Rye with Tomato?

Bread with Butter?

Stop being silly.

Totally different. You can put whatever you want on a salad and it's still a salad. Same with a sandwich.

A salad that comes with Chicken on it is a Salad with Chicken

Chili that comes with beans is Chili with Beans

How are those concepts totally different?

I've eaten a lot of Chili that had some beans added to it. How should I describe that? meat soup with beans?

So if I want to put either cilantro, chopped red onion or cheese on top of my chili I need to call it Meat Soup with Chopped Onion on Top of it?

What if I want to drink a beer with my Chili.

Is it now Meat Soup with a Beer on the side?

Yes to the bolded.

Let me put it this way. What if someone doesn't eat meat, and doesn't like chile pepper? Can they just put tofu and tomatoes in a pot of water and call it chile? Of course not. It would be total anarchy.

You do realize you sound like a fool, and that is a terrible analogy, right?

No one is removing any key chili ingredients when they add beans. They are adding beans.

What you are trying to compare is: "If you took a caesar salad, and added chicken, but removed the croutons and caesar dressing, would it be caesar salad?"

It's ridiculous.

Wait. Let em get this straight. I sound foolish in a thread about chile on a football side board?

If I die, please don't let my family see this.

And just for clarification, if you remove the croutons and dressing, it is not caesar salad. There is a line that gets crossed that changes it from lettuce to caesar. With chile, that line is crossed when you add beans. It's not that complicated.

I would argue that the line is crossed when you don't cook with chiles. That's the definitional component.

Caesar salad is a good example, because much like chili, most times you aren't getting the original recipe. Few places use anchovy filets and a coddled egg. Pretty much only expense account steak houses. But if you're getting Romaine and "Caesar dressing", i.e., dressing with the flavor of anchovy and parmesan, you're getting a Caesar salad.

 

[John Bender]

love this thread already

 

[John Bender]

I don't understand the semantic purity argument. We all know that the dish originally did not contain beans. We all know that it generally still does not in Texas. Pretty much everywhere else in the United States, it does. Dishes change. Very few dishes are prepared the same way they were when they were invented. And nobody gets salty when people put cheese or sour cream on chili, despite the fact that I'm pretty sure those were items that the chuck wagon cooks who invented chili didn't have available to them on cattle drives either. I mean, Smails "authentic" chili relies on all kinds of #### that wasn't in the original recipe. You think they were putting beer and Jack Daniels in there?

I enjoy chili both ways, but when I make it, I use beans. Both because most people I make it for prefer it that way, and because buying two lbs of meat and three cans of chili beans is a lot cheaper than buying 5 lbs of meat.

I don't make the rules.

I'm fine eating meat soup with beans. I prefer Chile, but I'll eat both. I'm not sure why everyone wants to change the English language over this. There is no such thing as chile "with beans".

Yes there is. It's Chili with Beans added to it a.k.a. Chili with BeansIs there no such thing as Caesar Salad with Chicken?

Tuna on Rye with Tomato?

Bread with Butter?

Stop being silly.

Totally different. You can put whatever you want on a salad and it's still a salad. Same with a sandwich.

A salad that comes with Chicken on it is a Salad with Chicken

Chili that comes with beans is Chili with Beans

How are those concepts totally different?

I've eaten a lot of Chili that had some beans added to it. How should I describe that? meat soup with beans?

So if I want to put either cilantro, chopped red onion or cheese on top of my chili I need to call it Meat Soup with Chopped Onion on Top of it?

What if I want to drink a beer with my Chili.

Is it now Meat Soup with a Beer on the side?

Yes to the bolded.

Let me put it this way. What if someone doesn't eat meat, and doesn't like chile pepper? Can they just put tofu and tomatoes in a pot of water and call it chile? Of course not. It would be total anarchy.

You do realize you sound like a fool, and that is a terrible analogy, right?

No one is removing any key chili ingredients when they add beans. They are adding beans.

What you are trying to compare is: "If you took a caesar salad, and added chicken, but removed the croutons and caesar dressing, would it be caesar salad?"

It's ridiculous.

Wait. Let em get this straight. I sound foolish in a thread about chile on a football side board?

If I die, please don't let my family see this.

And just for clarification, if you remove the croutons and dressing, it is not caesar salad. There is a line that gets crossed that changes it from lettuce to caesar. With chile, that line is crossed when you add beans. It's not that complicated.

I do think your logic is flawed, but just having fun here more or less. I love when these opinion threads get out of control for some reason.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

Anything I can do to aggravate the "purists" on this issue is fine by me.

You have been put on a secret watch list.

An enemy of Texas?

If I told you that it wouldn't be a very secret watch list, would it counselor?

 

[cstu]

Only two good things have come out of Texas - chili without beans and I forget the other.

 

[Peyton Marino]

what's the consensus on chilley with crackers?

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

Chili "purists" are literally the worst people on earth. Outside of Duke fans.

And another one goes on the list.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Anything I can do to aggravate the "purists" on this issue is fine by me.

You have been put on a secret watch list.

An enemy of Texas?

If I told you that it wouldn't be a very secret watch list, would it counselor?

Put it in a spoiler tag. I'm sure no one here would dishonor any secrecy covenants by peeking.

 

[John Bender]

what's the consensus on chilley with crackers?

Depends on if there are beans with it or not I think...

I'm wondering where people come in on Chili Flavored Fritos.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

Only two good things have come out of Texas - chili without beans and I forget the other.

Nachos would be a pretty strong runner up, I'd think, though Willie Nelson might have a thing or two to say about that.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Give me Texas barbecue over a bowl of red any day.

EDIT: It is kind of rich that Texans are so defensive about chili authenticity when they're responsible for the entire country eating bastardized Mexican food.

 

[cstu]

Chili is like meatloaf. There are no hard and fast rule on how to make it.

Neither should have beans.

 

[kevzilla]

I voted for semantic purity. Death to beanfidels!

 

[Peyton Marino]

what's the consensus on chilley with crackers?

Depends on if there are beans with it or not I think...

I'm wondering where people come in on Chili Flavored Fritos.

that's a tough one, because it's actually chillie cheese flavored. the cheese throws a wrench in there, obviously. i think you have to go with cheese, tomato and onion powder flavored corn chips.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Only two good things have come out of Texas - chili without beans and I forget the other.

Nachos would be a pretty strong runner up, I'd think, though Willie Nelson might have a thing or two to say about that.

That reminds me. I have not had Willie in the play rotation in my truck in a while. I think i''l ride home through the snow this afternoon with some Willie played loud.

That's right, she loves me in spite of my ways, which she don't understand.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

That's right, she loves me in spite of my ways, which she don't understand.

She is good-hearted, that woman.

 

[cstu]

That's right, she loves me in spite of my ways, which she don't understand.

She is good-hearted, that woman.

She was cheating on him behind his back. Just sayin'.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Hey Redmond. Hook 'em.

 

[Mr. Ected]

What is the FFA opinion of chili over pasta, like Cincinnati? Forgetting opinions of Cincinnati chili.

 

[D in the D]

Check me if I am wrong, but in my grocery store there are shelves of items called "Chili Beans". In my mind this doesn't preclude them from being used in other recipes, but it gives me a strong indication of their primary use.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

That's right, she loves me in spite of my ways, which she don't understand.

She is good-hearted, that woman.

She was cheating on him behind his back. Just sayin'.

First I heard of this. Spoiler tag next time.

 

[Guest]

I prefer a high meat to bean ratio (that's what she said), but it has to have some beans.

 

[matuski]

Give me Texas barbecue over a bowl of red any day.

EDIT: It is kind of rich that Texans are so defensive about chili authenticity when they're responsible for the entire country eating bastardized Mexican food.

Watch it now. Tex Mex >>> "Authentic".

 

[matuski]

Only two good things have come out of Texas - chili without beans and I forget the other.

Johnny Ducking Football

 

[strykerpks]

Only two good things have come out of Texas - chili without beans and I forget the other.

Queers?

 

[CowboysFromHell]

I only add beans when a whole bunch of buddies are coming over and I need volume. Also, I only use Rancho Gordo beans because they are amazing.

Thanks for the confession.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

We can all agree skyline chili is an abomination I assume.

Call it what you want, it's damn tasty! And a 5-way, with onion, beans, and cheese is the best.

 

[The Commish]

For goodness' sake, Cincinnati puts cocoa powder in their chili and it still tastes good

Objection: Assuming facts not in evidence.

They do put chocolate in their chili, but it doesn't taste good. It's basically meat water on pasta (sorry shuke)

 

[encaitar]

Give me Texas barbecue over a bowl of red any day.

EDIT: It is kind of rich that Texans are so defensive about chili authenticity when they're responsible for the entire country eating bastardized Mexican food.

Texas chili is bastardized Mexican food. Mexicans were making bowls of chili con carne long before the Texan Cattle Towns made it famous and gave it its name. The original Mexican versions had beans BTW.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

For goodness' sake, Cincinnati puts cocoa powder in their chili and it still tastes good

Objection: Assuming facts not in evidence.

They do put chocolate in their chili, but it doesn't taste good. It's basically meat water on pasta (sorry shuke)

Add this to the list of things you and I disagree on.

 

[Tom Servo]

What is the FFA opinion of chili over pasta, like Cincinnati? Forgetting opinions of Cincinnati chili.

As long as it's not Skyline, it's open for discussion.

 

[FUBAR]

Chili "purists" are literally the worst people on earth. Outside of Duke fans.

As a Jayhawk living in North Carolina I can almost agree with this. Tar heels are slightly worse.

 

[cstu]

Give me Texas barbecue over a bowl of red any day.

EDIT: It is kind of rich that Texans are so defensive about chili authenticity when they're responsible for the entire country eating bastardized Mexican food.

Texas chili is bastardized Mexican food. Mexicans were making bowls of chili con carne long before the Texan Cattle Towns made it famous and gave it its name. The original Mexican versions had beans BTW.

Because they were poor.

 

[Mr. Ected]

What is the FFA opinion of chili over pasta, like Cincinnati? Forgetting opinions of Cincinnati chili.

As long as it's not Skyline, it's open for discussion.

To pick nits, does Skyline represent all Cincinnati or do you just not like Skyline?

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

It's not the chocolate that makes Cincy chili so different (lots of Texas red recipes have chocolate). It's the cinnamon, cloves, and all spice, IMO.

 

[psychobillies]

I do think your logic is flawed, but just having fun here more or less. I love when these opinion threads get out of control for some reason.

Of course. I'm about to call someone a communist to see where that takes us.

 

[Gator Shawn]

If I am just making chili for a regular meal, I like to put a can or two of dark red kidney beans in right at the end. I like the snappy texture that it adds to the chili. I've also made a chili without beans that uses large hunks or beef and pork and that slow cooks and I don't put beans into it. I prefer the quick and easy weeknight chili with the canned beans in it to the latter, but the latter is a nice meal as well.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I like to make my chili with course ground elk rather than beef.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

What is the FFA opinion of chili over pasta, like Cincinnati? Forgetting opinions of Cincinnati chili.

As long as it's not Skyline, it's open for discussion.

To pick nits, does Skyline represent all Cincinnati or do you just not like Skyline?

I never really saw much of a difference between Gold Star and Skyline. If we are going to more local then ok. Never had them.

 

[kevzilla]

I like to make my chili with course ground elk rather than beef.

A place down here serves bison Frito pie.

To be clear: the source of the meat is not a big concern, neither is heavily processed corn chips. Just hold the f'n beans, please.