Chris Cooley (1 Viewer)

[Sweetness_34]

With Al Saunders gone, and getting 2 targets tonight, I wonder if Cooley's production is gonna dip this year. I know, one game, but he seemed invisible on the field today. Freaking penalty wiped out one of his catches.

Thoughts?

 

[dgreen]

My thought is the whole passing game looked like a disaster tonight.

 

[Couch Potato]

With Al Saunders gone, and getting 2 targets tonight, I wonder if Cooley's production is gonna dip this year. I know, one game, but he seemed invisible on the field today. Freaking penalty wiped out one of his catches. Thoughts?

See Portis thread. Yes, panic. Any time a player doesn't do what you expect in game one, it's time to unload him ASAP. It's the only way to go. Never mind that if he did this in game 13 it wouldn't cross your mind to panic. Dump him now. hurry!

 

[hook014]

If I had Cooley as my #1 I'd be very worried.

 

[CalmLikeABomb]

Campbell looked bad for most of the game and when his passes were on, the WR couldn't catch them anyways.

I think Cooley will be fine, when Campbell gets comfortable and realizes he's going to have to throw to someone who can catch.

By the way JAMES THRASH? What happened to all these stud rookie WRs?

 

[RudeDog]

My thoughts are..... Campbell sux. I saw Cooley wide open for 1st downs 3 times and he refused to pull the trigger.

That guy cannot handle this system, or he has completely lost confidence. In either case he can't be allowed to play like this. Time to go to another QB. If they keep Campbell in there this will be the blueprint for every 'Skins game this season.

Campbell MUST GO !!!

 

[Routilla]

 

[gianmarco]

No offense to the OP, but we already have a similar thread about Portis and now one about Cooley. Are we going to have one of these for every "stud" player that underperforms in week 1? It's 1 game. Let's wait for at least a couple weeks so we can see, I don't know, TRENDS that are discouraging. The same way that guys like Frisman Jackson don't follow-up their week 1 performance every week of the year, so will it also be with the studs that underwhelm this week.

It's going to happen on Sunday. A lot. I really hope we don't have to see a thread about every one of them.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Sorry guys. I do realize it is one game. And the Skins were terrible tonight. But I do wonder if this new scheme will lead to less targets for Cooley.

 

[RudeDog]

No offense to the OP, but we already have a similar thread about Portis and now one about Cooley. Are we going to have one of these for every "stud" player that underperforms in week 1? It's 1 game. Let's wait for at least a couple weeks so we can see, I don't know, TRENDS that are discouraging. The same way that guys like Frisman Jackson don't follow-up their week 1 performance every week of the year, so will it also be with the studs that underwhelm this week.It's going to happen on Sunday. A lot. I really hope we don't have to see a thread about every one of them.

No offense gianmarco, but this is the 1st game of the season and fantasy ballers have been waiting months for this. They have a desire to talk about this, that's why we're here. Will we have to listen to posters dissing threads because they have no interest in them all year..... I hope not.

 

[Twilight]

With Al Saunders gone, and getting 2 targets tonight, I wonder if Cooley's production is gonna dip this year. I know, one game, but he seemed invisible on the field today. Freaking penalty wiped out one of his catches. Thoughts?

See Portis thread. Yes, panic. Any time a player doesn't do what you expect in game one, it's time to unload him ASAP. It's the only way to go. Never mind that if he did this in game 13 it wouldn't cross your mind to panic. Dump him now. hurry!

 

[Rovers]

My thoughts are..... Campbell sux. I saw Cooley wide open for 1st downs 3 times and he refused to pull the trigger.That guy cannot handle this system, or he has completely lost confidence. In either case he can't be allowed to play like this. Time to go to another QB. If they keep Campbell in there this will be the blueprint for every 'Skins game this season.Campbell MUST GO !!!

DITTO in CAPS. Cooley WAS open, AND at the first down marker several times, and Cambell had blinkers on... REFUSED to throw to him... it was bizarre, really.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

The Skins' passing game looks awful. In the short term, I wouldn't expect a whole lot from anyone involved in it. However, it's hard to imagine any games that will be worse than this one, and maybe after a month or so they'll have a better grasp of the system.

 

[mcd]

I'm not surprised at all on Cooley's numbers. I listened to an interview about a month ago that talked extensively that the TE wasn't a big part of the offense Zorn was bringing in. It was on the radio & I wasn't even sure who was being interviewed, but it did seem to fit the Seattle offense. Yes, I realize that Seattle didn't have a player of Cooleys ability, but it was something that kept me from grabbing him in all my drafts. Same reason I passed on V. Davis. Don't care what Martz was saying, he never has fed a TE before & I wasn't taking Davis hoping that he would change.

 

[RudeDog]

I'm not surprised at all on Cooley's numbers. I listened to an interview about a month ago that talked extensively that the TE wasn't a big part of the offense Zorn was bringing in. It was on the radio & I wasn't even sure who was being interviewed, but it did seem to fit the Seattle offense. Yes, I realize that Seattle didn't have a player of Cooleys ability, but it was something that kept me from grabbing him in all my drafts. Same reason I passed on V. Davis. Don't care what Martz was saying, he never has fed a TE before & I wasn't taking Davis hoping that he would change.

If true, Zorn would be cutting off his nose to spite his face.Any coach who refuses to utilize his best offensive weapons simply because they don't "fit his scheme" will be trying to sell that scheme to another team quickly.Zorn will be a sidebar in the Redskins history book, or he could make some noise and use the tools he's been given.

 

[thecardiackid]

My thoughts are..... Campbell sux. I saw Cooley wide open for 1st downs 3 times and he refused to pull the trigger.That guy cannot handle this system, or he has completely lost confidence. In either case he can't be allowed to play like this. Time to go to another QB. If they keep Campbell in there this will be the blueprint for every 'Skins game this season.Campbell MUST GO !!!

DITTO in CAPS. Cooley WAS open, AND at the first down marker several times, and Cambell had blinkers on... REFUSED to throw to him... it was bizarre, really.

Gotta say I agree with how Cooley was (not) effectively targeted. In Campbell's defense, it is yet another system/offense he's learning. I really don't get the play calling - especially when it was continuously failing, or maybe it was Campbell's inability to make the right reads / progressions. Portis ran well enough when there was some room, but it seemed like EVERY 3rd and 7/8/9 (not to mention the brutal 4th down attempt) was WELL short of any chance of picking up the 1st. It looks like Zorn's version of the WCO either sucks, or he doesn't have the talent (@ QB and WR) to make it work. Yes, it's only one game, but it was one BRUTAL game for their offense. IMO - their biggest mistake was not taking some shots deep down field early to loosen up the D a little.Two undersized WRs like ARE and S Moss running 5 yard outs - hoping for YAC - all day will not get it done in the NFL. I feel just as bad for the Portis owners. He looks like he might be another victim of this until they figure it out.

 

[valhallan]

Cooley was pretty frustrated after the Carolina "game" (if you can call it that), so there was some indication this could be a long year for him. I expect some drama come week 6 or 7.

 

[chris1969]

I'm not surprised at all on Cooley's numbers. I listened to an interview about a month ago that talked extensively that the TE wasn't a big part of the offense Zorn was bringing in. It was on the radio & I wasn't even sure who was being interviewed, but it did seem to fit the Seattle offense. Yes, I realize that Seattle didn't have a player of Cooleys ability, but it was something that kept me from grabbing him in all my drafts. Same reason I passed on V. Davis. Don't care what Martz was saying, he never has fed a TE before & I wasn't taking Davis hoping that he would change.

If true, Zorn would be cutting off his nose to spite his face.Any coach who refuses to utilize his best offensive weapons simply because they don't "fit his scheme" will be trying to sell that scheme to another team quickly.Zorn will be a sidebar in the Redskins history book, or he could make some noise and use the tools he's been given.

I seem to remember a young Bill Belichick cutting Bernie Kosar after he changed the play and threw the game winning TD. I believe he said at the time that Bernie had diminishing skills.

 

[RudeDog]

I'm not surprised at all on Cooley's numbers. I listened to an interview about a month ago that talked extensively that the TE wasn't a big part of the offense Zorn was bringing in. It was on the radio & I wasn't even sure who was being interviewed, but it did seem to fit the Seattle offense. Yes, I realize that Seattle didn't have a player of Cooleys ability, but it was something that kept me from grabbing him in all my drafts. Same reason I passed on V. Davis. Don't care what Martz was saying, he never has fed a TE before & I wasn't taking Davis hoping that he would change.

If true, Zorn would be cutting off his nose to spite his face.Any coach who refuses to utilize his best offensive weapons simply because they don't "fit his scheme" will be trying to sell that scheme to another team quickly.Zorn will be a sidebar in the Redskins history book, or he could make some noise and use the tools he's been given.

I seem to remember a young Bill Belichick cutting Bernie Kosar after he changed the play and threw the game winning TD. I believe he said at the time that Bernie had diminishing skills.

Are you comparing Zorn to Belichick ?I guess only time will tell. My point is Zorn will never get the time if there are many more debacles like tonight.

 

[tomarken]

it seemed like EVERY 3rd and 7/8/9 (not to mention the brutal 4th down attempt) was WELL short of any chance of picking up the 1st.

Three straight drives to start the 3rd quarter all went three and out, as follows:

3-8-WAS35	(13:37) (Shotgun) J.Campbell pass short left to S.Moss to WAS 42 for 7 yards (C.Webster).4-1-WAS42	(12:55) D.Brooks punts 33 yards to NYG 25, Center-E.Albright. C.Webster pushed ob at NYG 28 for 3 yards (T.Yoder).3-6-WAS41	(8:45) (Shotgun) J.Campbell pass short left to D.Thomas to WAS 46 for 5 yards (K.Phillips).4-1-WAS46	(8:10) D.Brooks punts 34 yards to NYG 20, Center-E.Albright, fair catch by R.McQuarters.3-5-WAS41	(5:20) J.Campbell pass short middle to S.Moss to WAS 44 for 3 yards (M.Johnson, A.Pierce).4-2-WAS44	(4:44) D.Brooks punts 43 yards to NYG 13, Center-E.Albright. R.McQuarters to NYG 13 for no gain (R.Cartwright).

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

When you have a new regime, I think it's OK to ask questions.

However, you have to think about what you know. You know Chris Cooley is a very good player. Stick with players that are healthy and are good players and you'll do very well. There are some high's and low's in this game, for the very best of owners, but do that.

Chris Cooley had a bad week. I've had Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and LaDanian Tomlinson who's had poor weeks in the past and even though you're never happy, do you trade them?

I'd wait to see if this becomes more of a pattern. The coaching staff will come together and decide what the heck to we have to do to win a game. It'll come down to who's a good player, let's get them ball. Cooley will be in that conversation.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

The GIANTS Stomped them! End of story.

 

[RudeDog]

Chris Cooley had a bad week. I've had Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and LaDanian Tomlinson who's had poor weeks in the past and even though you're never happy, do you trade them?

Who said anything about trading Cooley. We're discussing the ineptitude of Campbell and Zorn.Cooley is great, he just needs those other 2 traded away. That offense looked like a HS team out there. The main reason is they didn't utilize their best offensive weapons.

 

[-baller]

if it makes you feel any better --- how did the best offense in the history of forever look against the giants in the superbowl?

 

[RudeDog]

if it makes you feel any better --- how did the best offense in the history of forever look against the giants in the superbowl?

Wow, good point.This is the same defense that played that game..... just a few minor differences that make little if any impact. The 2 starting DE's are gone dude !!!This isn't even close to that D.Hope you feel better about that now

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

I had him as a keeper and chose to let him go. Don't panic, write it off. It's a terrible coach, quarterback and division position for him. He's not Pro Bowl in this mess.

 

[meanjoegreen]

The GIANTS Stomped them! End of story.

I don't consider a score of 7 to 16 a stomping.

 

[GoinDeep]

Chris Cooley had a bad week. I've had Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and LaDanian Tomlinson who's had poor weeks in the past and even though you're never happy, do you trade them?

Who said anything about trading Cooley. We're discussing the ineptitude of Campbell and Zorn.Cooley is great, he just needs those other 2 traded away. That offense looked like a HS team out there. The main reason is they didn't utilize their best offensive weapons.

What did you expect? They have an inadequate QB and the seven dwarfs at the WR position.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Chris Cooley had a bad week. I've had Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and LaDanian Tomlinson who's had poor weeks in the past and even though you're never happy, do you trade them?

Who said anything about trading Cooley. We're discussing the ineptitude of Campbell and Zorn.Cooley is great, he just needs those other 2 traded away. That offense looked like a HS team out there. The main reason is they didn't utilize their best offensive weapons.

I'm talking about fantasy football.

 

[RudeDog]

Chris Cooley had a bad week. I've had Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and LaDanian Tomlinson who's had poor weeks in the past and even though you're never happy, do you trade them?

Who said anything about trading Cooley. We're discussing the ineptitude of Campbell and Zorn.Cooley is great, he just needs those other 2 traded away. That offense looked like a HS team out there. The main reason is they didn't utilize their best offensive weapons.

I'm talking about fantasy football.

So was I.

 

[culdeus]

Cooley being a marginal TE 7-10 based on format there is certain to be some people looking at this situation. Worth monitoring undrafted guys to pick up for the bench just in case he doesn't have it. TE's are hard to project. That's why I either get a stud or just punt the thing.

 

[mdog1967]

Cooley being a marginal TE 7-10 based on format there is certain to be some people looking at this situation. Worth monitoring undrafted guys to pick up for the bench just in case he doesn't have it. TE's are hard to project. That's why I either get a stud or just punt the thing.

West Coast offense is very difficult to learn. Even the best talent can struggle. I Would expect the Skins Offense to struggle for the next three or four games. Its all about timing and unless you have an entire offense familiar with the scheme your in big trouble. Campbell has a Rocket arm and two stud rookie WR in the making. Moss is so far over the hill he should be catching bobsledders and the end of the run, Randell El is a piss poor talent and was never missed by the Steelers. Have patients and trade for Cambell, Portis and Cooley after the thrid week. They should come relatively cheap and pay big dividends week 5 and beyond.Never judge a team by its first game. The Giants looked dominant in the first quarter and struggled to keep the skins out of it afterwords. The giants should have scored 40 points by the way they and the skins played in the first Quarter. The Giants were lucky to walk away with a two score victory and will not be the NFC representatives in the Superbowl. Cowboys, Carolina and Tampa will finish with better records and better teams after all is said and done.

 

[RudeDog]

Cooley being a marginal TE 7-10 based on format there is certain to be some people looking at this situation. Worth monitoring undrafted guys to pick up for the bench just in case he doesn't have it. TE's are hard to project. That's why I either get a stud or just punt the thing.

West Coast offense is very difficult to learn. Even the best talent can struggle. I Would expect the Skins Offense to struggle for the next three or four games. Its all about timing and unless you have an entire offense familiar with the scheme your in big trouble. Campbell has a Rocket arm and two stud rookie WR in the making. Moss is so far over the hill he should be catching bobsledders and the end of the run, Randell El is a piss poor talent and was never missed by the Steelers. Have patients and trade for Cambell, Portis and Cooley after the thrid week. They should come relatively cheap and pay big dividends week 5 and beyond.Never judge a team by its first game. The Giants looked dominant in the first quarter and struggled to keep the skins out of it afterwords. The giants should have scored 40 points by the way they and the skins played in the first Quarter. The Giants were lucky to walk away with a two score victory and will not be the NFC representatives in the Superbowl. Cowboys, Carolina and Tampa will finish with better records and better teams after all is said and done.

Well stated mdog. The thing that rankles me is the author of this WCO looked just as confused as the QB.Zorn....... WTF are you thinking !!!

 

[Skanker]

It's one game...against a good defense.

Don't panic.

 

[benm3218]

The first game day and we have 4 panic threads???? Wow... It is one game people. They can't play worse than they did tonight. Give it another few games.

 

[sterjs]

29 17 Sun Jan 1, 2006 box W WAS @ PHI 31 20 2 8 4.0 0 Score Passing Rushing Receiving Rk Week Date Tm Opp Tm Opp Cmp Att Yds TD Int Y/A Cmp% Rate Att Yds Y/A Rec Yds Y/R RRTD30 1 Mon Sep 11, 2006 box L WAS MIN 16 19 2 -3 -1.5 031 2 Sun Sep 17, 2006 box L WAS @ DAL 10 27 1 23 23.0 032 3 Sun Sep 24, 2006 box W WAS @ HOU 31 15 4 18 4.5 0Chris Cooley week 1-3 in 2006.Tight Ends are very streaky because they receive so few targets. Chase Stuart wrote an article for FBG awhile ago that showed early poor performances had no correlation with future performance for TEs.

 

[chris1969]

I'm not surprised at all on Cooley's numbers. I listened to an interview about a month ago that talked extensively that the TE wasn't a big part of the offense Zorn was bringing in. It was on the radio & I wasn't even sure who was being interviewed, but it did seem to fit the Seattle offense. Yes, I realize that Seattle didn't have a player of Cooleys ability, but it was something that kept me from grabbing him in all my drafts. Same reason I passed on V. Davis. Don't care what Martz was saying, he never has fed a TE before & I wasn't taking Davis hoping that he would change.

If true, Zorn would be cutting off his nose to spite his face.Any coach who refuses to utilize his best offensive weapons simply because they don't "fit his scheme" will be trying to sell that scheme to another team quickly.Zorn will be a sidebar in the Redskins history book, or he could make some noise and use the tools he's been given.

I seem to remember a young Bill Belichick cutting Bernie Kosar after he changed the play and threw the game winning TD. I believe he said at the time that Bernie had diminishing skills.

Are you comparing Zorn to Belichick ?I guess only time will tell. My point is Zorn will never get the time if there are many more debacles like tonight.

uhm yeah, BB didn't get the time in Clevelad either. Point being, things turned out ok for him. It's week 1 and they got beat up by the superbowl champs. Give Zorn a little time to adjust before you crucify him.

 

[Tau837]

The GIANTS Stomped them! End of story.

I don't consider a score of 7 to 16 a stomping.

In the NFL, not a stomping. In fantasy football, from the perspective of those depending upon Redskins players, it was a stomping.

 

[Tanner9919]

With Al Saunders gone, and getting 2 targets tonight, I wonder if Cooley's production is gonna dip this year. I know, one game, but he seemed invisible on the field today. Freaking penalty wiped out one of his catches.

Thoughts?

its not panic time, but for those who selected Cooley , you had to have known that this new offense was not going to feature the TE like Al Saunders did, but rather use the TE from time to time..

Saunders featured Tony Gonzalez and Cooley..

big difference between 'use' and 'feature' in this case..

 

[zamboni]

29 17 Sun Jan 1, 2006 box W WAS @ PHI 31 20 2 8 4.0 0 Score Passing Rushing Receiving Rk Week Date Tm Opp Tm Opp Cmp Att Yds TD Int Y/A Cmp% Rate Att Yds Y/A Rec Yds Y/R RRTD30 1 Mon Sep 11, 2006 box L WAS MIN 16 19 2 -3 -1.5 031 2 Sun Sep 17, 2006 box L WAS @ DAL 10 27 1 23 23.0 032 3 Sun Sep 24, 2006 box W WAS @ HOU 31 15 4 18 4.5 0Chris Cooley week 1-3 in 2006.Tight Ends are very streaky because they receive so few targets. Chase Stuart wrote an article for FBG awhile ago that showed early poor performances had no correlation with future performance for TEs.

Nice post.Just to add a few more data items that can help talk owners off the cliff:

(1) Cooley has always been a slow starter - in four previous opening games, his combined totals were 7 catches for 57 yards

(2) The Giants have long successfully been able to shut Cooley down - he hasn't surpassed 50 yards or 5 catches against them in a single game

I agree that it's hardly time to panic - regardless of the offensive system, Cooley will get his. He's too good not to be used prominently.

 

[dmac37]

With Al Saunders gone, and getting 2 targets tonight, I wonder if Cooley's production is gonna dip this year. I know, one game, but he seemed invisible on the field today. Freaking penalty wiped out one of his catches.

Thoughts?

its not panic time, but for those who selected Cooley , you had to have known that this new offense was not going to feature the TE like Al Saunders did, but rather use the TE from time to time..

Saunders featured Tony Gonzalez and Cooley..

big difference between 'use' and 'feature' in this case..

Combine this with a first time head coach and a QB that still seems to struggle = hoping for Cooley to be a top 5 TE could be a pipe dream and top 10 may not even be easy this year.

Not a reaction from one game but a trend that seemed likely before the season started.

 

[obxlegends]

I feel quite the opposite as some. I feel Cooley is a must start in Week 2. As an offensive coordinator you always look for ways to improve your production coming off a poor week. Making Cooley a focus of the offense with be priority 1 in Week 2. It's not time to panic.

 

[semaj33]

I think Campbell is jealous of Cooley's Hot Wife....

 

[zamboni]

I think Campbell is jealous of Cooley's Hot Wife....

Is she the blonde in Cooley's Youtube clip where all the Redskins are having their FF draft?

 

[semaj33]

I think Campbell is jealous of Cooley's Hot Wife....

Is she the blonde in Cooley's Youtube clip where all the Redskins are having their FF draft?

Yeah thats her...I hadn't seen that video before....thanks for the tip...She is also seen here...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_...-?urn=nfl,83661

and here....

http://www.maximonline.com/girls_of_maxim/...washington.html

Re-thinking this "Jessica Simpson-Tony Romo" fantasy impact now.....

Maybe the girlies DO mess with OUR stats...

 

[zamboni]

I think Campbell is jealous of Cooley's Hot Wife....

Is she the blonde in Cooley's Youtube clip where all the Redskins are having their FF draft?

Yeah thats her...I hadn't seen that video before....thanks for the tip...She is also seen here...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_...-?urn=nfl,83661

and here....

http://www.maximonline.com/girls_of_maxim/...washington.html

Re-thinking this "Jessica Simpson-Tony Romo" fantasy impact now.....

Maybe the girlies DO mess with OUR stats...

Cooley is my hero. Now if he'd only catch some more passes.

 

[H.K.]

My thoughts are..... Campbell sux. I saw Cooley wide open for 1st downs 3 times and he refused to pull the trigger.That guy cannot handle this system, or he has completely lost confidence. In either case he can't be allowed to play like this. Time to go to another QB. If they keep Campbell in there this will be the blueprint for every 'Skins game this season.Campbell MUST GO !!!

Cooley was uncovered the entire night, but Campbell had vapor lock on the outside guys.He needs to take Zorn with him, too. Four minutes left in the game, down by two scores and they keep running the ball off tackle. Two obvious problems for Cooley owners:1) Campbell sucks and doesn't have the ability to go through progressions2) Based on previous point, if Cooley isn't the primary he won't sniff the pigskin....only one play was called last night where he was the primary, and it was his only catch.Bottom line is that throwing to Cooley is not a focal point for either the QB or the OC. Doesn't really matter, either. Nobody can catch passes that aren't thrown their way. Cooley is useless this season. The only hope is that Snyder fires Zorn in the next few weeks and drastic changes are made. Unlikely, but it's the only sprig of hope a Cooley owner can cling to at the moment.

 

[obxlegends]

I think Campbell is jealous of Cooley's Hot Wife....

Is she the blonde in Cooley's Youtube clip where all the Redskins are having their FF draft?

She's the one with teeth the size of Chicklets.

 

[raidersfan]

Obviously no need to panic yet, but it was interesting how much Cooley was held in to block last night. Even madden was screaming for them to use their pro bowl tight end more.

 

[zamboni]

Obviously no need to panic yet, but it was interesting how much Cooley was held in to block last night. Even madden was screaming for them to use their pro bowl tight end more.

His staying in may have reflected the Giants strong pass rush and the accompanying need to have another body back there.