What is it? I see Ed Trunk and I automatically assume it's hair metal and stuff like old Scorpions and UFO, but they already have Hair Nation for that.106 is Volume. They have lots of good content.
You don't have to act or seem depressed to be depressed. Most of the turmoil with depression is when you are alone and most of the symptoms you hide and usually hide well. The swing from a big high (playing a show) to a big low is not uncommon for bipolar people.It doesn't make sense. Just seemed like a well adjusted guy with so much going for him. Didn't appear to be haunted by the demons that drive people to suicide. Clearly there is more to this story that will be revealed in the coming days and weeks.
"SXM's first all-talk channel about music. Live shows, weekly specials, documentaries with the most respected people in music."What is it? I see Ed Trunk and I automatically assume it's hair metal and stuff like old Scorpions and UFO, but they already have Hair Nation for that.
Yeah, he always sounded a bit like Mickey Mouse live. Those high notes are just shrill.That was some pretty god awful singing. Yeesh.
The fact that his wife called to have him checked on is a pretty big indicator that she knew something was afoot. I wonder if there was a phone call or something shortly before hand. I'm sure a lot of these details will come out in time, and I'll probably actively avoid reading them.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:Would think that someone knew about his depression....wife...badmates....roadies.....maybe he relapsed on pills or heroine...
The 90s grunge scene was truly the last great music revolution...almost.all of the front men are gone
:((Sorry if already mentioned) For the tin foil hats, the CNN story says Soundgarden closed their set with a cover of "In My time of Dying" by Zepplin. For those not familiar, the lyrics are haunting given the circumstances:
In my time of dying, I want nobody to mourn
All I want for you to do is take my body home
Well, well, well, so I can die easy [x2]
Jesus, going to make up
Jesus, going to make up my dying bed
Meet me, Jesus, meet me
Meet me in the middle of the air
If my wings should fail me, Lord
Please meet me with another pair
Well, well, well, so I can die easy [x2]
Jesus, going to make up
Somebody, somebody
Jesus going to make up
Jesus going to make you my dying bed
Well, well, well, so I can die easy
Jesus, going to make up
Somebody, somebody
Jesus going to make up
Jesus going to make you my dying bed
Oh, Saint Peter, at the gates of heaven
Won't you let me in
I never did no harm
I never did no wrong
Oh, Gabriel, let me blow your horn, let me blow your horn
Oh, I never did, did no harm
I've only been this young once
I never thought I'd do anybody no wrong
No, not once
Oh, I did somebody some good
Somebody some good
Oh, did somebody some good
I must have did somebody some good
Oh, I believe I did
I see the smiling faces
I know I must have left some traces
And I see them in the streets
And I see them in the field
And I hear them shouting under my feet
And I know it's got to be real
Oh, Lord, deliver me
All the wrong I've done
You can deliver me, Lord
I only wanted to have some fun
Hear the angels marching, hear them marching, hear them marching
Hear them marching, the' marching
Oh my Jesus, oh my Jesus, oh my Jesus [x3]
Oh my Jesus, oh my Jesus
It's pretty good up here
Oh Georgina, oh Georgina, oh Georgina, oh Georgina
Oh I'll see you again
Oh, don't you make it my dying, dying, dying
That's one thing that has been bothering me. I watched a few clips, and every one he was interacting/talking to the crowd before or after the song and saying some weird stuff. Does he do that alot during a show or did I just happen to watch the right songs?Evilgrin 72 said:It's f###ing weird watching the Youtube clips from last night's show and wondering if as he was singing he knew he was going to walk off stage and hang himself. Christ almighty.
This is an important fact. Wives know things, well most things.The fact that his wife called to have him checked on is a pretty big indicator that she knew something was afoot. I wonder if there was a phone call or something shortly before hand. I'm sure a lot of these details will come out in time, and I'll probably actively avoid reading them.
yep one of the older ones if I remember rightEvilgrin 72 said:Wasn't "Rusty Cage" on one of the radio stations in one of the GTA games as well? Thought I remembered that...
local writer said his performance seemed off last nightThat's one thing that has been bothering me. I watched a few clips, and every one he was interacting/talking to the crowd before or after the song and saying some weird stuff. Does he do that alot during a show or did I just happen to watch the right songs?
And now Bull Dozier's post. :(
Last night just seemed like another Soundgarden show — my fifth time seeing the iconic grunge band live, and second time in Detroit. It’s hard to pass up a good rock show at downtown Detroit's Fox Theatre, one of the city's architectural gems and a staple in its music history, its stage graced by the likes of Iggy Pop and Prince.
But when I woke up this morning, everything had changed. And the sold-out show suddenly took on a different meaning.
Chris Cornell, Soundgarden’s lead singer, was found dead in his hotel room at MGM Grand Detroit just hours after the group performed at the Fox, with a medical examiner now ruling his death a suicide.
Even without the benefit of hindsight from the morning's awful news, it was clear that something wasn’t right with the 52-year-old Cornell during the Fox performance. He often staggered back-and-forth across the stage, and seemed weak in his movements. Just one or two songs in, it was as if the energy had exited his body, and what was left was a shell of a man scrambling to do his job.
[Cornell's final tweet was a shout-out to Detroit: Read what he said here.]
It's not that the nearly two-hour show itself was bad, but it seemed like Cornell wasn’t mentally present.
He missed words, sometimes in entire blocks, letting the crowd sing the parts of the songs he didn’t. Nobody complained; in fact, the audience of about 5,000 seemed to love it.
Cornell was visibly agitated at times. He walked off the stage for several minutes before playing “Been Away Too Long,” causing the band to start over and leaving them playing instrumentals to fill the gap. When he came back onstage, he made a “move it along” motion with his hand.
Bandmate and bassist Ben Shepherd laughed it off, but then Cornell took to the mic to complain that he didn’t have a backup guitar. “Been Away Too Long,” which was Soundgarden’s 2012 comeback single from the album "King Animal" after a more than decade-long breakup, was played as a strange, bass-heavy rendition that moved in the wrong direction.
[Chris Cornell played a private concert for WRIF recently. Find out when you can hear it.]
Then there was Cornell’s irritability. His vocals were often lagging, not in sync with the music. At times, he stopped singing completely and gave up for several seconds before catching back on with his bandmates.
At the time, I chalked it up to being late in the tour, thinking that his voice might be shot. Maybe he was exhausted. After all, Cornell, who is known for his four-octave vocal range and having one of the most versatile voices in rock ’n’ roll, spends the majority of his time screaming into the mic — naturally, that will take a toll.
Several times throughout the night, he gave brief backstories to songs, regaling the band's work with record label Sub Pop. For “My Wave,” he emphasized the importance of doing your own thing, as long as you don’t harm anyone in the process.
But then things took a dark turn before the song began. “You can burn crosses on your lawn, I don’t give a (profanity). You can burn your house down,” he said. “Who cares? I don’t. As long as you don’t catch someone else’s house on fire.”
But Cornell spoke fondly of Detroit, over and over. It was the one element of the show he seemed truly excited about. He talked about Detroit Rock City, how the audience was unparalleled. How the band loved playing here. He acknowledged the crowd up in the balcony, asking them to stand. He also asked the crowd in front of the stage to cheer for those people.
One line, which at the time seemed innocuous, sticks: “I feel bad for the next city,” Cornell said over the mic. The quote came just after mentioning that nothing could ever top Detroit. Now, it has a much deeper, heartbreaking meaning.
Related:
What to look for: Suicide warning signs
Just a handful of songs saw Cornell immersed: “Fell on Black Days” and the show’s closer, the second song of the encore “Slaves & Bulldozers.” The latter included a refrain from Led Zeppelin’s “In My Time of Dying,” which the band has covered before. It was written as a spiritual song about death.
In the guitar solo for the “Slaves & Bulldozers”/“In My Time of Dying” fusion, Cornell finally gave his all. He played the guitar backwards, hung over his head, and dragged the mic stand along the strings. Caught in a cathartic-like moment, the singer-guitarist let himself shine one last time.
Here was the rock frontman who had so poignantly carved a path in rock ’n’ roll, helping propel Seattle to the front of the grunge scene with multi-platinum-selling albums. A shy vocalist, hidden behind a mass of curls that hung over his eyes, connecting with millions through brutally honest, heavy yet also delicate words.
A Detroit-based photographer who walked past Cornell after the show said he didn’t think “anything abnormal” in regards to his demeanor. “[The band] thanked a few fans waiting for autographs and got into the vehicle,” he said.
But my mind thinks back to watching him onstage at the Fox, doing the refrain to “In My Time of Dying,” struggling so hard to send a message – perhaps a hidden goodbye that nobody saw coming.
### #### :sad:(Sorry if already mentioned) For the tin foil hats, the CNN story says Soundgarden closed their set with a cover of "In My time of Dying" by Zepplin. For those not familiar, the lyrics are haunting given the circumstances:
Yeah, back then I really clicked with Pearl Jam's sound most out of the Seattle bands and Soundgarden the least. I was really into hair metal in my teens, then completely sick of what that genre became and Pearl Jam was decidedly new and different. Passionate, hard and loud at times, but more nuanced and with meaningful lyrics. SG sounded too much like 80's metal to me at the time. Through the years though I've developed more of an appreciation as I've checked out more deeper tracks. I probably like their stuff even more than Nirvana now. The song Superunknown might be my favorite hard rock track ever. And that first Audioslave CD I probably played 1000 times on my commutes.Evilgrin 72 said:Soundgarden was too heavy for a lot of people early on. Songs like "Beyond the Wheel", "Jesus Christ Pose," "Slaves and Bulldozers," etc.. were crushing tunes. Full on metal. It wasn't until the more memorably melodic songs like "Rusty Cage" and "Outshined" caught some airplay that mainstream audiences really started paying attention to them. They still had some sludgy riffs all the way through Superunknown on the deeper album cuts (Mailman, Limo Wreck, etc..)
You might want to look into this a little more. The Ten album was either concurrent or already in the can when they did Temple, and they toured nonstop in support, playing any size room they could book both here and in Europe, and people walked out with their hair on fire. Word of mouth spread quickly and once Evenflow and Alive hit radio, they exploded and were headlining arenas within a year. Their trajectory from that album would not have been any less without Temple.tonydead said:Yeah, I get it, just trying to give credit where credit is due. Do you think The Pearl Jam ever happens without Temple of the Dog? I guess we'll never know, but c'mon.
I think your timeline is a little off. I believe it was Cornell's encouragement that lead Stone and Ament to do Temple, which in turn put the pieces in place and wheels in motion for what turned into Pearl Jam. The actual recording may be a little closer in the time line.You might want to look into this a little more. The Ten album was either concurrent or already in the can when they did Temple, and they toured nonstop in support, playing any size room they could book both here and in Europe, and people walked out with their hair on fire. Word of mouth spread quickly and once Evenflow and Alive hit radio, they exploded and were headlining arenas within a year. Their trajectory from that album would not have been any less without Temple.
They already had Vedder on board though. Jeff and Stone did a demo that made its way to Vedder via Jack Irons, Vedder recorded vocals over it and they wanted him immediately.I think your timeline is a little off. I believe it was Cornell's encouragement that lead Stone and Ament to do Temple, which in turn put the pieces in place and wheels in motion for what turned into Pearl Jam. The actual recording may be a little closer in the time line.
Not to speak for tonydead, but I don't think he was claiming the success of Temple increased the popularity for 10. If so, that is just silly.
I certainly never heard of TOTD until Superunknown blew up. I already knew PJ.Pearl jam's first official show as a band was October 22, 1990....they played most of what we now know as 10... in the first 2 weeks that Vedder met the rest of the band (obviously lyrics and music were written separately and brought in to that session). TOTD was recorded in November 1990.
While Tony was correct that TOTD was the first time Vedder was recorded in the studio, Pearl Jam already existed at that point.
In face, when TOTD was released, it really didn't do anything. After 10 and Superunknown had such success, the studio re-released Hunger Strike and then the TOTD album took off.
Pearl jam's first official show as a band was October 22, 1990....they played most of what we now know as 10... that show was the culmination of the first 2 weeks that Vedder met the rest of the band (obviously he had some lyrics written and they had some music written). TOTD was recorded in November 1990.
While Tony was correct that TOTD was the first time Vedder was recorded in the studio, Pearl Jam already existed at that point.
In face, when TOTD was released, it really didn't do anything. After 10 and Superunknown had such success, the studio re-released Hunger Strike and then the TOTD album took off.
I stand corrected.They already had Vedder on board though. Jeff and Stone did a demo that made its way to Vedder via Jack Irons, Vedder recorded vocals over it and they wanted him immediately.
Whatever, it's hardly important to debate this particularly today.
For all of the TOTD/Pearl Jam talk, here is a great oral history, which is a good read. It seems the timing of TOTD and PJ were happening concurrently. Not that any of that matters today.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/temple-of-the-dog-an-oral-history-w442502
That sounds freaking awesome. Great freaking memories of Cornell. I'll have to give mine in a few.Cornell was at the heart of two of my all-time favorite memories/experiences:
First, I moved to Seattle the day I graduated from college, and the night I drove into town, I went down to Seattle Center (where the Space Needle is) to just be down there and check out the new city. There's an outdoor soccer stadium there and as I walk up, I hear Cornell's voice just booming out over everything and I walk in free to my first Soundgarden show. A night I'll never forget.
Then, at PJ 20 in Alpine Valley, there were all the rumors swirling that Cornell would be there. We stayed at the resort right at the concert venue and got there the night before it all started, as did a bunch of other fans. We all sat out in the parking lot of the resort chilling and having a good time when the various sound checks started up a few hundred yards away. You couldn't see anything, but you could hear it all. Finally PJ gets up there and starts doing a couple songs when all of the sudden... Hunger Strike starts up and Cornell is there. One of the greatest nights ever.
My friend and I each bought one cassette tapes of each album and made copies for each other. This was such a great time for music for those of us in our 40's who were in the prime of our life back then. The first round of albums were all great from AIC, Nirvana, SG, PJ, etc. I was honestly not a Soundgarden guy, as the sludge metal was a bit too much for me. I tended to lean more towards melody, and loved Nirvana, Pearl Jam, AIC to a lesser extent, and Screaming Trees (so underrated, but not really grunge).I think I actually heard temple of the dog and PJ the same night on 120 minutes sometime in 1991 or 92. I was a freshman in high school.
Yeah, I'm 38 now...and looking back all of this music was pretty awesome.....but there was some dumb teenage element of "picking" (for lack of a better word) a band over the others. There were PJ guys, Nirvana guys, SG guys,etc. Clearly, I was a PJ guy; but I loved all of those bands. Wish I would've been able to see them all live more than I did.My friend and I each bought one cassette tapes of each album and made copies for each other. This was such a great time for music for those of us in our 40's who were in the prime of our life back then. The first round of albums were all great from AIC, Nirvana, SG, PJ, etc. I was honestly not a Soundgarden guy, as the sludge metal was a bit too much for me. I tended to lean more towards melody, and loved Nirvana, Pearl Jam, AIC to a lesser extent, and Screaming Trees (so underrated, but not really grunge).
But I did have a great appreciation for Soundgarden and Cornell, especially as EG mentioned, Seasons off the Singles soundtrack which was awesome (what an album), and of course when Superunknown came out I became a fan. I bought and enjoyed Cornell's first solo album, and also enjoyed the first Audioslave album, but my interest in Cornell and Soundgarded has waned over the years, but I could say the same for many artists I used to listen too.
One thing about today that I realized, is I need to go back into my past more, and seek out some of the music that defined my youth. I have probably lost touch with my younger self, and should really try to regain some of my youthful spirit.
I Will Always Love You is actually a Dolly Parton cover. She wrote that song to Porter Wagoner after she decided to permanently go solo, and he was bitter about it.Cornell cover of Whitney Houston - I Will Always Love You
Cornell cover of Michael Jackson - Billie Jean
Always thought his cover of Billie Jean was brilliant, but somehow hadn't heard the first one till today.
Alice in Chains was, and still is, my favorite Seattle band of that era.My friend and I each bought one cassette tapes of each album and made copies for each other. This was such a great time for music for those of us in our 40's who were in the prime of our life back then. The first round of albums were all great from AIC, Nirvana, SG, PJ, etc. I was honestly not a Soundgarden guy, as the sludge metal was a bit too much for me. I tended to lean more towards melody, and loved Nirvana, Pearl Jam, AIC to a lesser extent, and Screaming Trees (so underrated, but not really grunge).
But I did have a great appreciation for Soundgarden and Cornell, especially as EG mentioned, Seasons off the Singles soundtrack which was awesome (what an album), and of course when Superunknown came out I became a fan. I bought and enjoyed Cornell's first solo album, and also enjoyed the first Audioslave album, but my interest in Cornell and Soundgarded has waned over the years, but I could say the same for many artists I used to listen too.
One thing about today that I realized, is I need to go back into my past more, and seek out some of the music that defined my youth. I have probably lost touch with my younger self, and should really try to regain some of my youthful spirit.
Thanks. That's what I meant to say.I know what you mean....but I think it matters in the way of remembering all of the kick ### music that was happening at the time that Cornell had such an impact on. And one of the other things is that the Seattle music scene was incredibly supportive of each other. Cornell and Soundgarden were at the center of that more than the others "who made it big".
Agreed. It's really the last generation that will ever experience music in that way. Social media has taken away the personal side of it. Many things about our generation will never happen the same way again. It makes me nostalgic but a little sad at the same time. My life is great now but I do miss those times.My friend and I each bought one cassette tapes of each album and made copies for each other. This was such a great time for music for those of us in our 40's who were in the prime of our life back then. The first round of albums were all great from AIC, Nirvana, SG, PJ, etc. I was honestly not a Soundgarden guy, as the sludge metal was a bit too much for me. I tended to lean more towards melody, and loved Nirvana, Pearl Jam, AIC to a lesser extent, and Screaming Trees (so underrated, but not really grunge).
But I did have a great appreciation for Soundgarden and Cornell, especially as EG mentioned, Seasons off the Singles soundtrack which was awesome (what an album), and of course when Superunknown came out I became a fan. I bought and enjoyed Cornell's first solo album, and also enjoyed the first Audioslave album, but my interest in Cornell and Soundgarded has waned over the years, but I could say the same for many artists I used to listen too.
One thing about today that I realized, is I need to go back into my past more, and seek out some of the music that defined my youth. I have probably lost touch with my younger self, and should really try to regain some of my youthful spirit.
If you really want to lose it, check out this live duet with him and his daughter about a year and a half ago:
https://youtu.be/uPsvqhH4wiQ
That's why they call it mental illness - they simply aren't in a healthy state of mind.Serious question...
If it is determined to be suicide, do you think less of the guy (regardless of what demons he was battling)?
I ask because he had a couple kids who were 13/14 ish and a wife.
I haven't heard that one in a long time. Awesome.M.A.C.C's rendition of "Hey Baby" is one of my favorite songs of all time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mVZyPSaYug
No.Serious question...
If it is determined to be suicide, do you think less of the guy (regardless of what demons he was battling)?
I ask because he had a couple kids who were 13/14 ish and a wife.
It's not right but people unfortunately judge one another all the time, even in death.No.
Mental illness is real and often unnoticed and/or undiagnosed. It's not right for any of us to judge what goes through the mind of someone dealing with a mental illness.
Yeah, who the #### are we to judge? The whole 'suicide is a cowards way out' thinking is bull ####. You are a idiot if you judge this way. Try walking in their shoes. We each have our own right to choose. That being said, my thoughts to his family.No.
Mental illness is real and often unnoticed and/or undiagnosed. It's not right for any of us to judge what goes through the mind of someone dealing with a mental illness.
I know, and it's unfortunate.It's not right but people unfortunately judge one another all the time, even in death.