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Chris Cornell dead at 52 (1 Viewer)

For his loved ones, the ambiguity adds a layer of cruelty to an event that's already sad & tragic enough. If you ever attended one of his shows, you saw someone brimming with joy and full of life, not someone depressed and suicidal (yet has a history of addiction), it seemed like an impulsive act (yet the cryptic remarks on stage and the final song choice), and there was no note (I'm assuming). As a fan it makes it suck that much worse because it doesn't make sense, but just imagine that's your spouse, dad, friend, bandmate. It's also unsettling to think that a person can take one pill too many and just snap, which certainly seems like a possibility here. Was he thinking about killing himself 18 days ago when I saw him in Atlanta? Or the morning of the Detroit show? Or even when he first walked on stage that night? Will we ever know?

Most deaths leave us with the mercy of closure -- cancer, car crash, heart attack, etc. Always a sad event, but at least it makes logical sense. Cornell's loved ones don't have that now, so my heart goes out to them that much more. Suicide is already uniquely difficult for those left behind, but suicide that comes completely out of nowhere? Not fair.

I hope more facts come out, either via the toxicology results, a note we're not aware of, witness accounts or whatever so those folks can have some measure of peace. And I honestly don't care if certain details never become public. Let's not be the weepy fanboys who act like a musician was our best friend, uncle or spirit guide. Not for nothing but that #### gets annoying quick. 

 
Also, for all the mentions of the final song choice, they closed with "Slaves and Bulldozers" as they frequently did. They played a portion of "In My Time of Dying" during the song, which was also fairly commonplace. Lot of writers looking for something poetic to say are inaccurately portraying it as some kind of harbinger, but it wasn't. 

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
Also, for all the mentions of the final song choice, they closed with "Slaves and Bulldozers" as they frequently did. They played a portion of "In My Time of Dying" during the song, which was also fairly commonplace. Lot of writers looking for something poetic to say are inaccurately portraying it as some kind of harbinger, but it wasn't. 
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Yeah, brace yourself for all kinds of rambling pablum coming out of the media this week. That stuff has got to be especially annoying for his loved ones. My wife just read me one that's pretty cringeworthy. 

That said, if he knew he was going to hang himself right after the show and didn't leave a note, it's arguably not the most optimal time to roll out that particular number. It's a cliché rock star move that invites speculation and can't be definitively proven one way or another if it meant something or was just a coincidence. 

 
So I just watched the final song and he sure looks completely out of it.

And of course YouTube is already getting bombarded with whackball conspiracy videos. I didn't watch any, the titles are cringeworthy enough. I honestly hate people.

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
Also, for all the mentions of the final song choice, they closed with "Slaves and Bulldozers" as they frequently did. They played a portion of "In My Time of Dying" during the song, which was also fairly commonplace. Lot of writers looking for something poetic to say are inaccurately portraying it as some kind of harbinger, but it wasn't. 
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Yeah. I watched a Hyde Park video a while back. I recall them closing with Slaves and Bulldozers and In My Time of Dying. I think that was from 2012.

I think the lack of a suicide note (though I guess I don't know what he actually said to his wife on the phone, maybe that was it) the idea that Ativan led to this makes sense. It's pretty consistent with everything - being in a fog at the show, taking two more when he came back and killing himself pretty much immediately after that.

By the way, I'm nearly done with this book:https://www.amazon.com/Everybody-Loves-Our-Town-History/dp/030746444X

Just a phenomenal oral history of the Seattle scene by the people in it.

Someone here needs to write one of these for @Evilgrin 72.

 
James Hetfield apparently closed last night's metallica show by saying "We forgive you Chris"

Be interesting to know what he meant.

 
My friend was at the U2 show this weekend at the Rose Bowl. Black Hole Sun was played before the show started and everyone was singing along. He said it was both very cool and very sad.

 
Soulfly3 said:
James Hetfield apparently closed last night's metallica show by saying "We forgive you Chris"

Be interesting to know what he meant.
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Is Hetfield religious? I have no idea what he could mean if he is not. 

I am still stunned by the whole thing, and it makes a lot more sense that this could have been accidental and brought on by taking too many prescription drugs accidentally. 

Just a huge loss to the rock music world.

Soundgarden/Temple of The Dog was easily my favorite sounds out of Seattle back in 1991-1994. I was a young 21 year old musician myself and loved how Soundgarden was a total throwback to the heavy riff-age assault of bands like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin. 

For me this was my order of preference back then:

1) Soundgarden/Temple Of The Dog (one album....but an all timer and one of top 10 of all time)

2) Stone Temple Pilots - So many great songs and albums....just so many. A great eclectic mix of old school influences, bombastic guitars and riffs and they too matured each album. - Was able to see them at their height on the Tiny Music tour back in 1997. Just a great band live too (when Scott was not strung out). I caught them on anight when they were flawless.

3) Alice In Chains - Metal, dark, and then with Jar Of Flies (my fav from them) and Sap they showed a different more melodic side. I loved them and saw them 3 times. 

4) Pearl Jam - I love Ten.....it is by far their best album. It really captured the moment and the transition back to a more raw sound. This was their most produced and polished record oddly enough (and something they look back on with sour thoughts as they remixed it with Brenden O Brian to a more dry straight forward sound). But I thought the production on the album was brilliant and hardcore Pearl Jam fans will frown on my thoughts, but they never wrote a better collection of songs ever again. That first album was that good. Vs was also outstanding and I can still enjoy it a lot. I also like No Code and Yield. Everything else though.....really meh for me. Their live shows are fantastic. I have seen them a lot (5 times by my last count). They always bring it live....except for one performance that my wife and I actually walked out on. It was the Binaural  tour (what a ***tty album that was) and they were just really going through the motions and taking 2 minutes between songs deciding what to play....just blech. The other 4 times were high energy shows with killer set lists.

5) Nirvana - Never got it, never will. I just don't enjoy Cobain and his songs. Not my cup of tea.

But what an era of music. A lot of great music in the 90's:

Candlebox - Check out their 3rd and 4th albums (Happy Pills and Into The Sun) those two records are monsters. They are well known for their debut album (a very solid kick ### rock record) but their 3rd and 4th records are just bursting with far more maturity and incredible songs. Highly under appreciated band.

Blind Melon (so good, especially Soup which was a brilliant record).

Jeff Buckely - Tragic, just tragic we lost him so fast. Grace was and still is one of the best albums ever.

The Black Crowes - They were giants for me. One of the best ever. Saw them live so many too.

Live - An incredible band in concert. They had a 5 album run that was fantastic (Mental Jewelry, Throwing Copper, Secret Sahmadhi, Distance To Here, V) Great melodies, vocals and lyrics....a really underrated band and they are actually back together officially. I hope they come down to Florida again. Such a great live show.

 
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Todem said:
Live - An incredible band in concert. They had a 5 album run that was fantastic (Mental Jewelry, Throwing Copper, Secret Sahmadhi, Distance To Here, V) Great melodies, vocals and lyrics....a really underrated band and they are actually back together officially. I hope they come down to Florida again. Such a great live show.
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had all five....and HATED V.   Really hated it.  

 
MarvinTScamper said:
had all five....and HATED V.   Really hated it.  
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Some great great songs on it. But I can understand Live fans not liking it. It was getting a little weird on that record and marked a change in song writing. 

Like A Solider

People Like You

Transmit Your Love

Overcome

Flow

Love those songs. 

 
Vanilla Guerrilla said:
Maybe for marching with the grunge music rather than going a more metal route?

A lot of my metal friends from that period hated grunge with a passion.  Some are just appreciating it now.
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I was a metal guy in the 80's

Iron Maiden

Dio

Ozzy

And of course my #1 band Rush (not metal)

The 90's was a huge transition decade. I instantly gravitated to Soundgarden, Alice In Chains and Stone Temple Pilots as they all had crunchy guitars, riff driven songs and killer lyrics. After Ten I kinda drifted away from Pearl Jam. I thought they would become more arena rock and instead went on a Neil Young trip for too long. 

The 90's produced some amazing metal as well with Metallica (crossing over with the Black album) and the early stages of Dream Theater.

But Soundgarden and Alice In Chains really brought out the thick and heavy guitars as well as STP.....I am surprised Metal heads did not pick up on their old school influences like Zeppelin and Black Sabbath.

 
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Todem said:
Is Hetfield religious? I have no idea what he could mean if he is not. 

I am still stunned by the whole thing, and it makes a lot more sense that this could have been accidental and brought on by taking too many prescription drugs accidentally. 

Just a huge loss to the rock music world.

Soundgarden/Temple of The Dog was easily my favorite sounds out of Seattle back in 1991-1994. I was a young 21 year old musician myself and loved how Soundgarden was a total throwback to the heavy riff-age assault of bands like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin. 

For me this was my order of preference back then:

1) Soundgarden/Temple Of The Dog (one album....but an all timer and one of top 10 of all time)

2) Stone Temple Pilots - So many great songs and albums....just so many. A great eclectic mix of old school influences, bombastic guitars and riffs and they too matured each album. - Was able to see them at their height on the Tiny Music tour back in 1997. Just a great band live too (when Scott was not strung out). I caught them on anight when they were flawless.

3) Alice In Chains - Metal, dark, and then with Jar Of Flies (my fav from them) and Sap they showed a different more melodic side. I loved them and saw them 3 times. 

4) Pearl Jam - I love Ten.....it is by far their best album. It really captured the moment and the transition back to a more raw sound. This was their most produced and polished record oddly enough (and something they look back on with sour thoughts as they remixed it with Brenden O Brian to a more dry straight forward sound). But I thought the production on the album was brilliant and hardcore Pearl Jam fans will frown on my thoughts, but they never wrote a better collection of songs ever again. That first album was that good. Vs was also outstanding and I can still enjoy it a lot. I also like No Code and Yield. Everything else though.....really meh for me. Their live shows are fantastic. I have seen them a lot (5 times by my last count). They always bring it live....except for one performance that my wife and I actually walked out on. It was the Binaural  tour (what a ***tty album that was) and they were just really going through the motions and taking 2 minutes between songs deciding what to play....just blech. The other 4 times were high energy shows with killer set lists.

5) Nirvana - Never got it, never will. I just don't enjoy Cobain and his songs. Not my cup of tea.

But what an era of music. A lot of great music in the 90's:

Candlebox - Check out their 3rd and 4th albums (Happy Pills and Into The Sun) those two records are monsters. They are well known for their debut album (a very solid kick ### rock record) but their 3rd and 4th records are just bursting with far more maturity and incredible songs. Highly under appreciated band.

Blind Melon (so good, especially Soup which was a brilliant record).

Jeff Buckely - Tragic, just tragic we lost him so fast. Grace was and still is one of the best albums ever.

The Black Crowes - They were giants for me. One of the best ever. Saw them live so many too.

Live - An incredible band in concert. They had a 5 album run that was fantastic (Mental Jewelry, Throwing Copper, Secret Sahmadhi, Distance To Here, V) Great melodies, vocals and lyrics....a really underrated band and they are actually back together officially. I hope they come down to Florida again. Such a great live show.
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Good list. Also think STP is very underrated. I remember when they came out and alot of people just dismissed them as PJ copycats, which is totally wrong as they had their own very distinct sound.

As far as Nirvana goes, IMO there has never been a band that has played with more raw emotion and sonic fury. They just had this amazing groove underneath everything. Cobain left us way too early. It's pretty amazing how Grohl rose from those ashes and has had such a great career himself. Pure Nirvana goodness:

https://youtu.be/PvwqSMRtoSI

 
MarvinTScamper said:
had all five....and HATED V.   Really hated it.  
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Agreed.  The first three albums were great - "The Distance To Here" was kind of hit-and-miss but has some really good songs on it.  I didn't like V at all, and pretty much stopped getting their studio stuff after that, but I will still go see them live whenever I get a chance.  I've seen Ed Kowalczyk solo twice, both times electric with full band and it was damn near as good as seeing Live.

 
Todem said:
Candlebox - Check out their 3rd and 4th albums (Happy Pills and Into The Sun) those two records are monsters. They are well known for their debut album (a very solid kick ### rock record) but their 3rd and 4th records are just bursting with far more maturity and incredible songs. Highly under appreciated band.
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My favorite story: Courtney Love accused Candlebox of being from LA. She said they just came up to Seattle to get signed.

Those guys were actually probably the most Seattle band of anyone. They all went to school in Seattle.

Nirvana was from Aberdeen/DC, Screaming Trees from Ellenberg, Cornell was the only guy who grew up in Seattle from Soundgarden. Vedder was from San Diego via Chicago, I think. I think Cantrell was from Oklahoma.

 
uwillbdeadsoon said:
My favorite story: Courtney Love accused Candlebox of being from LA. She said they just came up to Seattle to get signed.

Those guys were actually probably the most Seattle band of anyone. They all went to school in Seattle.

Nirvana was from Aberdeen/DC, Screaming Trees from Ellenberg, Cornell was the only guy who grew up in Seattle from Soundgarden. Vedder was from San Diego via Chicago, I think. I think Cantrell was from Oklahoma.
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Courtney Love is a ####ing ###hole.

 
Todem said:
Is Hetfield religious? I have no idea what he could mean if he is not. 

I am still stunned by the whole thing, and it makes a lot more sense that this could have been accidental and brought on by taking too many prescription drugs accidentally. 

Just a huge loss to the rock music world.

Soundgarden/Temple of The Dog was easily my favorite sounds out of Seattle back in 1991-1994. I was a young 21 year old musician myself and loved how Soundgarden was a total throwback to the heavy riff-age assault of bands like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin. 

For me this was my order of preference back then:

1) Soundgarden/Temple Of The Dog (one album....but an all timer and one of top 10 of all time)

2) Stone Temple Pilots - So many great songs and albums....just so many. A great eclectic mix of old school influences, bombastic guitars and riffs and they too matured each album. - Was able to see them at their height on the Tiny Music tour back in 1997. Just a great band live too (when Scott was not strung out). I caught them on anight when they were flawless.

3) Alice In Chains - Metal, dark, and then with Jar Of Flies (my fav from them) and Sap they showed a different more melodic side. I loved them and saw them 3 times. 

4) Pearl Jam - I love Ten.....it is by far their best album. It really captured the moment and the transition back to a more raw sound. This was their most produced and polished record oddly enough (and something they look back on with sour thoughts as they remixed it with Brenden O Brian to a more dry straight forward sound). But I thought the production on the album was brilliant and hardcore Pearl Jam fans will frown on my thoughts, but they never wrote a better collection of songs ever again. That first album was that good. Vs was also outstanding and I can still enjoy it a lot. I also like No Code and Yield. Everything else though.....really meh for me. Their live shows are fantastic. I have seen them a lot (5 times by my last count). They always bring it live....except for one performance that my wife and I actually walked out on. It was the Binaural  tour (what a ***tty album that was) and they were just really going through the motions and taking 2 minutes between songs deciding what to play....just blech. The other 4 times were high energy shows with killer set lists.

5) Nirvana - Never got it, never will. I just don't enjoy Cobain and his songs. Not my cup of tea.

But what an era of music. A lot of great music in the 90's:

Candlebox - Check out their 3rd and 4th albums (Happy Pills and Into The Sun) those two records are monsters. They are well known for their debut album (a very solid kick ### rock record) but their 3rd and 4th records are just bursting with far more maturity and incredible songs. Highly under appreciated band.

Blind Melon (so good, especially Soup which was a brilliant record).

Jeff Buckely - Tragic, just tragic we lost him so fast. Grace was and still is one of the best albums ever.

The Black Crowes - They were giants for me. One of the best ever. Saw them live so many too.

Live - An incredible band in concert. They had a 5 album run that was fantastic (Mental Jewelry, Throwing Copper, Secret Sahmadhi, Distance To Here, V) Great melodies, vocals and lyrics....a really underrated band and they are actually back together officially. I hope they come down to Florida again. Such a great live show.
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There was also the whole Stoner Rock thing happening fronted by Kyuss. QOTSA came a bit later, but were also great.

There was also some great stuff on the east coast in the early 90s by bands like Prong and Helmet. The Toadies. Local H in Chicago in the mid to late 90s.

And then a lot of the metal stuff folks like Sepultura, Slayer and Pantera were doing.

And lets not forget Tool. Aenema was a masterpiece.

Really a great time to be discovering music.

 

 
Perhaps it has been mentioned, but Cornell's most recent solo album Higher Truth is incredible. If there is any doubt that this guy was in deep depression, just listen to this album. It is very powerful, emotional, and incredible. 

 
Tom Skerritt said:
Perhaps it has been mentioned, but Cornell's most recent solo album Higher Truth is incredible. If there is any doubt that this guy was in deep depression, just listen to this album. It is very powerful, emotional, and incredible. 
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Listening now at work. Thanks for the heads up.

 
uwillbdeadsoon said:
It was also after playing Unforgiven. So maybe he was just (stupidly) tying it to the song?
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I think that he was trying to say to Chris's spirit (or whatever) that he understands the darkness and depression inside him and the action he (possibly) took and that it is all ok, that he doesn't need to feel bad about anything for he who is.  Something like that.

 
Tom Skerritt said:
Perhaps it has been mentioned, but Cornell's most recent solo album Higher Truth is incredible. If there is any doubt that this guy was in deep depression, just listen to this album. It is very powerful, emotional, and incredible. 
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The one "good thing" to come out of this is that I downloaded that album on Spotify (didn't listen to his solo records really). It's real good and not what I expected.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
The one "good thing" to come out of this is that I downloaded that album on Spotify (didn't listen to his solo records really). It's real good and not what I expected.
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I enjoy his solo work over anything else he ever did.

 
For those interested (and haven't seen it), Chris' widow wrote an open letter to him:

To My Sweet Christopher,

You were the best father, husband and son-in-law. Your patience, empathy and love always showed through.

You had always said I saved you, that you wouldn't be alive if it were not for me. My heart gleamed to see you happy, living and motivated. Excited for life. Doing everything you could to give back. We had the time of our lives in the last decade and I'm sorry, my sweet love, that I did not see what happened to you that night. I'm sorry you were alone, and I know that was not you, my sweet Christopher. Your children know that too, so you can rest in peace.

I’m broken, but I will stand up for you and I will take care of our beautiful babies. I will think of you every minute of every day and I will fight for you. You were right when you said we are soulmates. It has been said that paths that have crossed will cross again, and I know that you will come find me, and I will be here waiting.

I love you more than anyone has ever loved anyone in the history of loving and more than anyone ever will.

Always and forever,
Your Vicky

 
:goodposting:   :(

Too bad Vicki's mother didn't consult her before the mom went on a twitter rampage.  I'm not posting that stuff in here.  Hopefully it was taken down.

 
Bobcat10 said:
:goodposting:   :(

Too bad Vicki's mother didn't consult her before the mom went on a twitter rampage.  I'm not posting that stuff in here.  Hopefully it was taken down.
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I've not heard good things about Cornell's wife. The MIL seems a bit unhinged, too.

 
Bobcat10 said:
:goodposting:   :(

Too bad Vicki's mother didn't consult her before the mom went on a twitter rampage.  I'm not posting that stuff in here.  Hopefully it was taken down.
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Yeah she seems like a trashy, crazy old bat.

 
Bobcat10 said:
:goodposting:   :(

Too bad Vicki's mother didn't consult her before the mom went on a twitter rampage.  I'm not posting that stuff in here.  Hopefully it was taken down.
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WTF, she's on a rampage against Eddie Vedder?

 
Todem said:
Is Hetfield religious? I have no idea what he could mean if he is not. 

I am still stunned by the whole thing, and it makes a lot more sense that this could have been accidental and brought on by taking too many prescription drugs accidentally. 

Just a huge loss to the rock music world.

Soundgarden/Temple of The Dog was easily my favorite sounds out of Seattle back in 1991-1994. I was a young 21 year old musician myself and loved how Soundgarden was a total throwback to the heavy riff-age assault of bands like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin. 

For me this was my order of preference back then:

1) Soundgarden/Temple Of The Dog (one album....but an all timer and one of top 10 of all time)

2) Stone Temple Pilots - So many great songs and albums....just so many. A great eclectic mix of old school influences, bombastic guitars and riffs and they too matured each album. - Was able to see them at their height on the Tiny Music tour back in 1997. Just a great band live too (when Scott was not strung out). I caught them on anight when they were flawless.

3) Alice In Chains - Metal, dark, and then with Jar Of Flies (my fav from them) and Sap they showed a different more melodic side. I loved them and saw them 3 times. 

4) Pearl Jam - I love Ten.....it is by far their best album. It really captured the moment and the transition back to a more raw sound. This was their most produced and polished record oddly enough (and something they look back on with sour thoughts as they remixed it with Brenden O Brian to a more dry straight forward sound). But I thought the production on the album was brilliant and hardcore Pearl Jam fans will frown on my thoughts, but they never wrote a better collection of songs ever again. That first album was that good. Vs was also outstanding and I can still enjoy it a lot. I also like No Code and Yield. Everything else though.....really meh for me. Their live shows are fantastic. I have seen them a lot (5 times by my last count). They always bring it live....except for one performance that my wife and I actually walked out on. It was the Binaural  tour (what a ***tty album that was) and they were just really going through the motions and taking 2 minutes between songs deciding what to play....just blech. The other 4 times were high energy shows with killer set lists.

5) Nirvana - Never got it, never will. I just don't enjoy Cobain and his songs. Not my cup of tea.

But what an era of music. A lot of great music in the 90's:

Candlebox - Check out their 3rd and 4th albums (Happy Pills and Into The Sun) those two records are monsters. They are well known for their debut album (a very solid kick ### rock record) but their 3rd and 4th records are just bursting with far more maturity and incredible songs. Highly under appreciated band.

Blind Melon (so good, especially Soup which was a brilliant record).

Jeff Buckely - Tragic, just tragic we lost him so fast. Grace was and still is one of the best albums ever.

The Black Crowes - They were giants for me. One of the best ever. Saw them live so many too.

Live - An incredible band in concert. They had a 5 album run that was fantastic (Mental Jewelry, Throwing Copper, Secret Sahmadhi, Distance To Here, V) Great melodies, vocals and lyrics....a really underrated band and they are actually back together officially. I hope they come down to Florida again. Such a great live show.
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cant stand candlebox.....but I think STP is criminally under rated.

what a great time of music to be in college/recent grad....good times.....

RIP Chris.....you will be missed

 
Even though I was born in '73, meaning I was late teens/early 20s during the grunge explosion, I never really dug much grunge or alt rock.  I have come around to liking a few songs here and a few songs there, but for the most part I can pass on most of it.  Most of the big bands have a few songs I dig now (except Pearl Jam, who I do not like a single song by...11,993 songs in my iTunes and not a single one by them), including Soundgarden.  Cornell's voice definitely stood out amongst a lot of average singers and players from that time period. Great voice and great talent. 

 
Forgot that Soundgarden opened for GnR in the early 90's...at the height of the GnR frenzy. Not surprisingly Cornell and Axl didn't hit it off.

 
Bull Dozier said:
For those interested (and haven't seen it), Chris' widow wrote an open letter to him:

To My Sweet Christopher,

You were the best father, husband and son-in-law. Your patience, empathy and love always showed through.

You had always said I saved you, that you wouldn't be alive if it were not for me. My heart gleamed to see you happy, living and motivated. Excited for life. Doing everything you could to give back. We had the time of our lives in the last decade and I'm sorry, my sweet love, that I did not see what happened to you that night. I'm sorry you were alone, and I know that was not you, my sweet Christopher. Your children know that too, so you can rest in peace.

I’m broken, but I will stand up for you and I will take care of our beautiful babies. I will think of you every minute of every day and I will fight for you. You were right when you said we are soulmates. It has been said that paths that have crossed will cross again, and I know that you will come find me, and I will be here waiting.

I love you more than anyone has ever loved anyone in the history of loving and more than anyone ever will.

Always and forever,
Your Vicky
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:cry:

 
McGarnicle said:
Howard Stern tribute available on demand, I'm just starting it now.
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wait, where is this?  not seeing it in the app.

or are you talking about the opening on Monday's show?

 
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Not near the music aficionados you guys are but anyone who has a voice like Cornell is simply a gift.  I can't imagine having a voice like his.  I would sing the back of boxes ingredients if I had his gift.  It is like having a ####### super power.   

 
Caught the LA stop of Temple of the Dog reunion tour few months ago. Glad I went, Chris singing War Pigs was a great moment.

 
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