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Chris Johnson is underpaid (2 Viewers)

Did his agent post this article? By my quick calculations, it seems as though Chris Johnson has already collected 8.44 million dollars from the Titans in his first two years. Pointing out that he made $385,000 last season totally misrepresents his actual dollars earned.

 
Scooby1974 said:
Touche...perhaps I should have added a RESPECTED D1 school for football. It was a joke of an argument to begin with.
I'm an East Carolina University graduate. We just won back to back Conference USA Championships in football. I think there are people out there that have some respect in that. As for Chris Johnson, during his senior year at ECU, East Carolina beat Boise State in the Hawaiin Bowl. Chris Johnson set an NCAA Bowl record in that game for the most all-purpose yards. Maybe Jeff Fisher was watching that game to see Boise State, and happened to notice Chris Johnson from lil ole' ECU.
 
Scooby1974 said:
Did his agent post this article? By my quick calculations, it seems as though Chris Johnson has already collected 8.44 million dollars from the Titans in his first two years. Pointing out that he made $385,000 last season totally misrepresents his actual dollars earned.
Dude, don't question Chris Johnson. Ever. His brother Mass Raider and his little buddy FantasyMan are on court to take on all challengers. :thumbup:
What are you, 12 years old?
 
Scooby1974 said:
Scooby1974 said:
Did his agent post this article? By my quick calculations, it seems as though Chris Johnson has already collected 8.44 million dollars from the Titans in his first two years. Pointing out that he made $385,000 last season totally misrepresents his actual dollars earned.
Dude, don't question Chris Johnson. Ever. His brother Mass Raider and his little buddy FantasyMan are on court to take on all challengers. :blackdot:
What are you, 12 years old?
Take yourself too seriously much?
:kicksrock: I don't even know what that means. Keep posting, you're doing great. :thumbup:
 
Scooby1974 said:
I'd type it slower if I thought it'd help. There's no hope.
Please be cooler if you want to keep posting here. TIA.J
:goodposting: So: tryign to sort through this, and here's what it seems to read as:You are ok with a team cutting a player before the contract is up, and not honoring their end of said contractYou are NOT ok with a player trying to get more money by not honoring his contract as it specifies he doDoes that not strike you as one of the most two-faced things ever?Here's a comparison to how that sounds: It's ok for mark Cuban to shoot a guy. It's not ok for Dirk Nowitzki to shoot a guy.Does that make sense? It's either ok for both sides ot honor it, or ok for neither side.
 
So: tryign to sort through this, and here's what it seems to read as:

You are ok with a team cutting a player before the contract is up, and not honoring their end of said contract

You are NOT ok with a player trying to get more money by not honoring his contract as it specifies he do

Does that not strike you as one of the most two-faced things ever?

Here's a comparison to how that sounds: It's ok for mark Cuban to shoot a guy. It's not ok for Dirk Nowitzki to shoot a guy.

Does that make sense? It's either ok for both sides ot honor it, or ok for neither side.

That isn't what I've been trying to say, but that's what people THINK I'm saying. Honestly, I'm done trying.

 
There are a lot of players in the NFL that are stuck in low paying rookie contracts. Them's the breaks. The way the system is constructed, teams are under no obligation to give these guys more money. On rare occasion, some players can complain enough and get an early extension or force a trade, but for the most part guys just have to fulfill their contracts, live with the future francise tags, and eventually move on to make megabucks.
Well said, Then you have more than half of the first rd picks who are being overpaid for what they contribute.
 
There are a lot of players in the NFL that are stuck in low paying rookie contracts. Them's the breaks. The way the system is constructed, teams are under no obligation to give these guys more money. On rare occasion, some players can complain enough and get an early extension or force a trade, but for the most part guys just have to fulfill their contracts, live with the future francise tags, and eventually move on to make megabucks.
Well said, Then you have more than half of the first rd picks who are being overpaid for what they contribute.
THAT is what I was trying to get across. Sometimes my words don't communicate what I'm trying to say.
 
Scooby1974 said:
Scooby1974 said:
I never said teams SHOULDN'T honor contracts, I simply said it doesn't bother me much if at the end of the contract the guy isn't performing and gets cut.
That's not what he asked you.Since you have a problem with a player, who feels that he is underpaid, trying to renegotiate their contract for more money, he asked you if you have a problem with a team cutting a player who is still under contract because the team felt as if he wasn't worth the amount of money that they were paying him.
Wrong.
Really? Because I could have sworn that I read this:
Does it bother you when teams cut players before the end of their contract? I admire your character and old-school-edness. Can I just get a link to you complaining about a team that cut an under-performing vet because he had a contract?

Thanks in advance.
Oh, I did read it correctly. Now that we have that cleared up, does it bother you?
:goodposting: Hopefully this shuts Scooby up. He seems like the kind of person who can only see things in simple terms, like a child. Can't understand the nuances of business so he does the easy thing and blames the guy who is only trying to get market value for his services. He can't grasp the complexities of a system where no contract is guaranteed and playing careers are as short as five years. He focuses only on what he can understand, that a player signed one contract and now wants another. That's simple. That's easy. Unfortunately, he's not alone. No wonder it's so easy for big corporations to manipulate the masses like Scooby. Just take every complex issue that's difficult to grasp and turn it into a simple little problem that a five-year-old could understand.This is the big boy world now, Scooby. Join us if you want.

 
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OMG, the best RB in the league wants to make more than $560,000 next year. What a punk!
Best post I've seen in months.
Stop pretending like he's only being compensated $560,000 for next year. His deal averages 2.4 million/year. He's already collected on 8.44 million of the 12 million dollar deal he signed just two years ago. So at this point if the Titans were to tear up his rookie deal, he will have averaged 4.22 million a season for his first two years. That is more than Ryan Clady has averaged, and he went 12th overall. A few years ago there was a pretty big debate about Javon Walker being ridiculously underpaid by the Packers. At the time, Walker was considered one of the league's youngest and brightest rising stars. Very similar circumstances, except Walker was making a bigger stink about it. I just don't see why its too simplistic to say that Chris Johnson signed a 5 year 12 million dollar deal as a rookie. If he continues to play well, the Titans most certainly will reward him with a new fat contract before this one expires. The Titans also took on a great deal of risk by guaranteeing him over 7 million dollars no matter how he produced. I know they are different eras but I think of it this way; Chris Johnson has already made more money that Walter Payton did throughout his entire career. A career that ended just 22 years ago. I guess I just fail to sympathize with a guy that's already made enough money to give his family a great life. There's plenty of other players in college and the NFL that have much more sympathetic stories. Exceptional talents destroyed by injury before they made millions.
 
More than any position in the NFL I sympathesize with the financial plight that can innure to the elite RB.

They are "meat on the hoof".

A RB that starts toiling the rock right away could conceivably log 2000 touches by the expiry of his initial rookie contract and already be well on the way to performance erosion due to cumulative abuse to his body.

Chris Johnson is now clearly the best RB in the league. His "window" may be very brief for all we know. Players that rely on "otherworldly" moves have historically had shorter "peaks" to their careers (as they are constantly cutting in directions that the human body was not designed to do).

If I were him I would absolutely hold out in 2010 and insist a new contract with a minimum of 8 figures of guaranteed money. He will never have more leverage as he is the "franchise". Time for him to be paid.

 
The day an athlete steps up and says, 'Ya know, I really under-performed this year and based on my compensation I really think I should be paid less next year... ' is the day that I situp and pay attention to athletes who feel they are under paid based on contracts they negociated with their agent. CJ will get his paid day ultimately when he has put in the required number of years. In the meantime if he and other rookies feel that their contracts are not up to snuff then they should have their agents build in more incentive bonuses.... What do you think the Titans repsonse would have been if CJ's agent had said at the outset of negociations on his rookie contract... 'Jeff, I really feel that my guy is going to break some NFL records in the next couple of years. How about we put in an incentive clause to pay CJ $2 million if he breaks 2,000 combined yards from scrimmage?' I think the Titans would have considered such a proposal. Contracts these days have all forms of incentive clauses it is just up to the player and his agent to be aggressive in seeking them to be added into the actual contract. But incentive clauses can cut both ways if the team wants to put in language such as off-field activities, behavior, weight, etc...
This post wreaks of accountability...Bleck, yack, ugggg. Who wants to have to hold up their end of the bargain? That's not fair.
Does it bother you when teams cut players before the end of their contract? I admire your character and old-school-edness. Can I just get a link to you complaining about a team that cut an under-performing vet because he had a contract? Thanks in advance.
I guess it doesn't bother me a lot, no. But generally, said person is already a multi-millionaire (unless his last name is Henry). He can then go out at age 32, get a job, and work for the next 30 years of his life like you and I. I guess I see no shame in that.You're welcome, I guess.
Yeah, he can work 30 more years like the rest of us. Assuming he lives that long. Like Earl Campbell maybe? Oh, wait, Earl can barely walk. Players should honor their contracts, but the teams don't really need to? Why should the players display character and honor if the teams have none? Because the players made a lot of money for a few years? Because they get to play football? CJ has been one of the top RBs in the league since he came into the league, and signed a contract that he had no choice/say in. The draft/slotting system wasn't agreed to by the players, and CJ had no chance to find a better NFL job. He had no opportunity to apply at different teams, and make his own deal. The terms of his deal, even down to the length of the deal, are set before he even sits down to the negotiating table. But that doesn't matter, right? All that matters is that he makes more money than us, so he should just be thankful and honor the contract he had almost no say in. (This is the part where you say, "Hey, if he doesn't like it, he can go and get a job like the rest of us....")It's a ridiculously narrow-minded point of view. These players careers can end on any play. And if they do manage to play for a decent time, their life expectancy shrinks at an alarming rate. Which is just as well, considering many live in constant pain. These guys are in the entertainment business, and only get to perform for a few years, if they are among the best, it seems weird they cannot get paid like the best.Especially a guy like CJ. A smaller RB? The Titans can make him play out his deal, maybe franchise him for a year, and then everyone can make noise about concerns about a smaller speed back at the age of 29, and he might not even get a big deal. Hey, he will still have made a lot of money, relatively speaking, but based on a draft slot he had no say in, he won't get what the market says he's worth. Character, my eye. That's just stupid.
:lmao:
 
There are a lot of players in the NFL that are stuck in low paying rookie contracts. Them's the breaks. The way the system is constructed, teams are under no obligation to give these guys more money. On rare occasion, some players can complain enough and get an early extension or force a trade, but for the most part guys just have to fulfill their contracts, live with the future francise tags, and eventually move on to make megabucks.
Thats how the league works. They know rookie deals give them locked in relatively cheap labor (outside of top 10 picks). Rookies have no leverage. They can't work anywhere else. They have to fulfill their contract, then they can cash in on the big bucks.Dallas faced the same thing a couple years ago with DeMarcus Ware. Rookie deal. Finished 2nd in DPOY. Dallas finally extended him with only a year left on his rookie deal. They weren't going to let him get away. Nor were they going to pay him before they had to. Tennessee will do the same thing here.Its highly unlikely that any team will start the precedent of re-negotiating rookie deals with 3 years left. They'd be throwing away a tremendous amount of money if they do that. Not going to happen.Johnson can squak all he wants. It won't do him any good. He's not going anywhere. He's got no leverage.
 
I guess it doesn't bother me a lot, no. But generally, said person is already a multi-millionaire (unless his last name is Henry). He can then go out at age 32, get a job, and work for the next 30 years of his life like you and I. I guess I see no shame in that.

You're welcome, I guess.

Yeah, he can work 30 more years like the rest of us. Assuming he lives that long. Like Earl Campbell maybe? Oh, wait, Earl can barely walk.

Players should honor their contracts, but the teams don't really need to? Why should the players display character and honor if the teams have none? Because the players made a lot of money for a few years? Because they get to play football?

CJ has been one of the top RBs in the league since he came into the league, and signed a contract that he had no choice/say in. The draft/slotting system wasn't agreed to by the players, and CJ had no chance to find a better NFL job. He had no opportunity to apply at different teams, and make his own deal. The terms of his deal, even down to the length of the deal, are set before he even sits down to the negotiating table.

But that doesn't matter, right? All that matters is that he makes more money than us, so he should just be thankful and honor the contract he had almost no say in. (This is the part where you say, "Hey, if he doesn't like it, he can go and get a job like the rest of us....")

It's a ridiculously narrow-minded point of view. These players careers can end on any play. And if they do manage to play for a decent time, their life expectancy shrinks at an alarming rate. Which is just as well, considering many live in constant pain. These guys are in the entertainment business, and only get to perform for a few years, if they are among the best, it seems weird they cannot get paid like the best.

Especially a guy like CJ. A smaller RB? The Titans can make him play out his deal, maybe franchise him for a year, and then everyone can make noise about concerns about a smaller speed back at the age of 29, and he might not even get a big deal. Hey, he will still have made a lot of money, relatively speaking, but based on a draft slot he had no say in, he won't get what the market says he's worth.

Character, my eye. That's just stupid.

:popcorn:

So do you have more sympathy for CJ3 than O'Brien Schofield? Most of you are probably asking yourselves, who is O'Brien Schofield? He's a senior OLB/DE from Wisconsin that was initially projected in the 2nd or 3rd round. Then he was named Defensive MVP of the East West Shrine game, and by all accounts was very impressive at the Senior bowl. He was very well on his way to making millions. Then he blew out his ACL at the Senior bowl. He may now go undrafted.

There's a lot of football players out there getting the shaft way worse the CJ3.

 
:popcorn: Hopefully this shuts Scooby up. He seems like the kind of person who can only see things in simple terms, like a child. Can't understand the nuances of business so he does the easy thing and blames the guy who is only trying to get market value for his services. He can't grasp the complexities of a system where no contract is guaranteed and playing careers are as short as five years. He focuses only on what he can understand, that a player signed one contract and now wants another. That's simple. That's easy. Unfortunately, he's not alone. No wonder it's so easy for big corporations to manipulate the masses like Scooby. Just take every complex issue that's difficult to grasp and turn it into a simple little problem that a five-year-old could understand.

This is the big boy world now, Scooby. Join us if you want.

Boy, you sure showed me....Read post 59 when you have a chance to step down from your cute little condescending soapbox.

 
:wall: Hopefully this shuts Scooby up. He seems like the kind of person who can only see things in simple terms, like a child. Can't understand the nuances of business so he does the easy thing and blames the guy who is only trying to get market value for his services. He can't grasp the complexities of a system where no contract is guaranteed and playing careers are as short as five years. He focuses only on what he can understand, that a player signed one contract and now wants another. That's simple. That's easy. Unfortunately, he's not alone. No wonder it's so easy for big corporations to manipulate the masses like Scooby. Just take every complex issue that's difficult to grasp and turn it into a simple little problem that a five-year-old could understand.

This is the big boy world now, Scooby. Join us if you want.
I don't think you know what you're talking about.edit: you might want to tack up one sticky for all these endless renegotiation bickerings.

these threads always remind me of a 10 yr old kid fighting with his 8 yr old brother.

 
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So do you have more sympathy for CJ3 than O'Brien Schofield? Most of you are probably asking yourselves, who is O'Brien Schofield? He's a senior OLB/DE from Wisconsin that was initially projected in the 2nd or 3rd round. Then he was named Defensive MVP of the East West Shrine game, and by all accounts was very impressive at the Senior bowl. He was very well on his way to making millions. Then he blew out his ACL at the Senior bowl. He may now go undrafted. There's a lot of football players out there getting the shaft way worse the CJ3.
1. First, I have zero sympathy for CJ. 2. Sympathy isn't the same thing as having no problem with another human being improving their circumstances.3. The fact that there are players out there worse off than CJ, should that preclude him from seeking the best pay he can get? Should the plight of poor Mr. Schofield influence CJ's decision?People need to get past the idea of how much money these guys make. What CJ is doing, if he were a middle manager making 50 grand, no one would have a problem with it. But the fact that CJ makes 500 grand+, now he should just suck it up? Well, OK, at what salary are peopel not allowed to improve their earning power? What's the number? 100 grand a year? 250 grand? And who decides?I keep hearing how it's not jealousy, but the argument opposite mine always winds up as:1. "Yeah, tell Player X to go get a real job, and see how he likes that...."OR2. "Boo hoo, I feel real bad for a guy that makes X dollars"Sounds like bitterness and jealousy to me. And those really aren't arguments why a player shouldn't seek what he is worth. And really, CJ is worth a lot more, and plays a position that NFL teams like to chew up and spit out. I don't care if CJ makes another penny. And I am bored reading about holdouts. But just looking at it in the abstract, taking out numbers and names, I don't get why NFL players shouldn't be allowed to engage in the same practices the rest of us are.
 
I don't get why NFL players shouldn't be allowed to engage in the same practices the rest of us are.
Because that is not what their union negotiated. He doesn't like the union, then he should (or should have) chosen a different profession. His union bargained for these type of contracts that are not guaranteed, and that is why he shouldn't be allowed to engage in the same practices as other people are.I am a teacher. I currently work in a district where I make much less than another teacher. We teach at the same school, the same subject. I have more education than he does. However, he has been teaching there for longer, and our (union-negotiated) contract calls for him to make more than I do. I can't go to the school board and say "my students have better grades, do better on the state tests, & have better behavior, so I deserve more money." That's not what my union negotiated, and that's not what the contract stipulates.

Johnson shouldn't be expecting a new contract, either. His union negotiated a situation where he isn't entitled to one, and his that's not what his contract stipulates.

 
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Chris Johnson is a prima donna. Doesn't win ROY, so he pouts. Misses out on MVP, sounds off on twitter. Wins OPOY, #####es about the MVP voting. Now he wants more money. Surprise surprise. Maybe that was the real reason he was upset on missing out on those awards, it hurt his market value.
:lol: Chris Johnson is a thug and I guarentee he will be a problem in the near future.

He has shown a bunch of times already in his short career how selfish and classless he is.
:lol: Let me guess it's the dreds and the platinum grill right
 
I don't get why NFL players shouldn't be allowed to engage in the same practices the rest of us are.
I think the rest of us are expected to honor contracts.hope you won't be complaining when your bank jacks up your mortgage rate to 20% 'cuz they feel they're entitled to more money.
 
Kool-Aid Larry said:
massraider said:
I don't get why NFL players shouldn't be allowed to engage in the same practices the rest of us are.
I think the rest of us are expected to honor contracts.hope you won't be complaining when your bank jacks up your mortgage rate to 20% 'cuz they feel they're entitled to more money.
First, your bank comparison doesn't work.Second, people break contracts daily. But that doesn't really matter, because CJ isn't breaking his contract, and probably never will.Breaking his contract isn't what we are talking about. We are talking about doing what he can to get a better deal. Forcing a trade, pouting, complaining, sitting out 6 games, none of those would violate his contract-although he might get docked a few bucks.
 
I never said Johnson isn't one of the top RB's in the field. The issue I have is more with the way the world runs than with him. The way of the world has been drilled into us to "get what's ours and some of yours too". Just because I CAN go out and get more money (and I could), doesn't mean that I NEED to or SHOULD? Does it always have to be about how much money you can squeeze out for yourself? I just happen to think there are other more important variable to life than money. I guess I'm old school---character and doing what you said you would do still count in my book.
I'll yield the argument that a player should play out his contract without renegotiating halfway through.At the same time, I'd require owners to pay players the full contract, even when the players underperform from expectations.Unfortunately, both sides (owners and players) have created a cutthroat environment such that no such trust exists.A shame, really, imho. Certainly not the ideal I wish our role models to be.
 
I never said Johnson isn't one of the top RB's in the field. The issue I have is more with the way the world runs than with him. The way of the world has been drilled into us to "get what's ours and some of yours too". Just because I CAN go out and get more money (and I could), doesn't mean that I NEED to or SHOULD? Does it always have to be about how much money you can squeeze out for yourself? I just happen to think there are other more important variable to life than money. I guess I'm old school---character and doing what you said you would do still count in my book.
I'll yield the argument that a player should play out his contract without renegotiating halfway through.At the same time, I'd require owners to pay players the full contract, even when the players under perform from expectations.Unfortunately, both sides (owners and players) have created a cutthroat environment such that no such trust exists.A shame, really, imho. Certainly not the ideal I wish our role models to be.
This is a good post. In the abstract, it sounds good that players fulfill their contracts. But in reality, the fact is that players are pieces of meat, and get chewed up and spit out by by the NFL. A player can play the good soldier, and play out his rookie contract, even though the slotting system is out of his control. They are essentially forced to work the first few year for whatever their draft position dictates, and hope for a big second contract, where the big money is. But if CJ plays out his deal, there's a a good chance he'll be at an age after his rookie deal where people will question if he can keep it up, and maybe he won't get a big second contract. If he gets franchised for a year, he'll be 30, who would pay a 30-year-old speed back a big signing bonus? There is no honor when it comes to these NFL contracts, if a team thinks it can better themselves by cutting an overpriced veteran, they cut them. And I have no problem with that. The NFL is a business, and people need to realize it. By the same token, a player that has outplayed his contract, I have no problem with him getting the best deal he can. And the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Players can't count on teams doing the right thing by them, by being quiet and hoping they do the right thing. If Chris Johnson spends his entire career with the Titans, they won't keep him on the roster if he can't help them anymore, no matter how many years are left on his deal. RBs especially are vulnerable to this kind of thing, when CJ is 29, people will already be asking if he can keep it up. If he can get a better deal for himself, it's not realistic to expect him to be happy with a contract that he was essentially forced into.
 
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Bayhawks said:
massraider said:
I don't get why NFL players shouldn't be allowed to engage in the same practices the rest of us are.
Because that is not what their union negotiated. He doesn't like the union, then he should (or should have) chosen a different profession. His union bargained for these type of contracts that are not guaranteed, and that is why he shouldn't be allowed to engage in the same practices as other people are.I am a teacher. I currently work in a district where I make much less than another teacher. We teach at the same school, the same subject. I have more education than he does. However, he has been teaching there for longer, and our (union-negotiated) contract calls for him to make more than I do. I can't go to the school board and say "my students have better grades, do better on the state tests, & have better behavior, so I deserve more money." That's not what my union negotiated, and that's not what the contract stipulates.

Johnson shouldn't be expecting a new contract, either. His union negotiated a situation where he isn't entitled to one, and his that's not what his contract stipulates.
Yep, the players union isn't interested in short term deals for rookies so they can prove themselves (and who can blame them? Who doesn't want security?). The current system is great because it forces salaries up across the board. CJ knew what the deal was going in. If he doesn't like it he can seek another employer or train for a different profession.
 
Bayhawks said:
massraider said:
I don't get why NFL players shouldn't be allowed to engage in the same practices the rest of us are.
Because that is not what their union negotiated. He doesn't like the union, then he should (or should have) chosen a different profession. His union bargained for these type of contracts that are not guaranteed, and that is why he shouldn't be allowed to engage in the same practices as other people are.I am a teacher. I currently work in a district where I make much less than another teacher. We teach at the same school, the same subject. I have more education than he does. However, he has been teaching there for longer, and our (union-negotiated) contract calls for him to make more than I do. I can't go to the school board and say "my students have better grades, do better on the state tests, & have better behavior, so I deserve more money." That's not what my union negotiated, and that's not what the contract stipulates.

Johnson shouldn't be expecting a new contract, either. His union negotiated a situation where he isn't entitled to one, and his that's not what his contract stipulates.
Yep, the players union isn't interested in short term deals for rookies so they can prove themselves (and who can blame them? Who doesn't want security?). The current system is great because it forces salaries up across the board. CJ knew what the deal was going in. If he doesn't like it he can seek another employer or train for a different profession.
Or he can ask for a raise. Wow, what a thread. Wanna talk about much ado about nothing. This is beyond a non-story.

 
massraider said:
I don't get why NFL players shouldn't be allowed to engage in the same practices the rest of us are.
WHile I agree with much of what you said, I disagree with your thinking here. The reality is Chris Henry is an NFL player, more than a player for the Titans. The Titans are a division within the NFL. He is a member of the NFLPA. He can leave his company for another, just like you or I. However, leaving his company means leaving the NFL.
 
Bayhawks said:
massraider said:
I don't get why NFL players shouldn't be allowed to engage in the same practices the rest of us are.
Because that is not what their union negotiated. He doesn't like the union, then he should (or should have) chosen a different profession. His union bargained for these type of contracts that are not guaranteed, and that is why he shouldn't be allowed to engage in the same practices as other people are.I am a teacher. I currently work in a district where I make much less than another teacher. We teach at the same school, the same subject. I have more education than he does. However, he has been teaching there for longer, and our (union-negotiated) contract calls for him to make more than I do. I can't go to the school board and say "my students have better grades, do better on the state tests, & have better behavior, so I deserve more money." That's not what my union negotiated, and that's not what the contract stipulates.

Johnson shouldn't be expecting a new contract, either. His union negotiated a situation where he isn't entitled to one, and his that's not what his contract stipulates.
Yep, the players union isn't interested in short term deals for rookies so they can prove themselves (and who can blame them? Who doesn't want security?). The current system is great because it forces salaries up across the board. CJ knew what the deal was going in. If he doesn't like it he can seek another employer or train for a different profession.
Or he can ask for a raise. Wow, what a thread. Wanna talk about much ado about nothing. This is beyond a non-story.
He can ask, but he's not entitled to one, and making statements like "I deserve to be the highest paid RB" or comments along those lines are out of line, and innaccurate. He joined the NFL, and the NFLPA, and based on that fact, he is entitled to his current contract, nothing more. When his contract comes up, or earlier (BUT ONLY IF THE TEAM DECIDES TO RENEGOTIATE) he will than be able to demand more $$.
 
I can't imagine anyone should have an issue with what he said.
It's not what he said so much as the timing of it..as others have pointed out, it sounds like his agent told him to make a fuss about it because the 2010 season is likely to be without a salary cap, so strike while the iron is hot, talk about your salary in public, how you think you're underpaid, etc..and he's talking during the run-up to the SB when the nat'l media is on the NFL..Given the sobering history of 2k rushers in the year following the accomplishment, if I was the GM, I'd wait till the end of 2010 season before I give CJ a raise..if he bucks the trend of drop-off stats in year N+1 , fine, he's earned a new contract.if not, he can live with what he's already making.This whole thing opens a can of worms, I mean, what if Steve Smith NYG starts to think like this, and demands a raise, and what if all the players in the NFL who've had a terrific 2009 season start to chime in about wanting to be paid more? I'm afraid this is just the beginning of a very long offseason,one filled with many players demanding pay raises in an uncapped year.. :whistle: his contract is a direct result of what his agent told him to sign when he came into the league. His agent should have asked for more incentives and bonuses based on production...just my opinion,but I think the agent undervalued his client , and got him to sign a meager deal in the first place..and CJ needs to realize he's just 2 years removed from making $12/hr stocking shelves at Home Depot.don't look a gift horse in the mouth..
 
Yeah, he can work 30 more years like the rest of us. Assuming he lives that long. Like Earl Campbell maybe? Oh, wait, Earl can barely walk.

Players should honor their contracts, but the teams don't really need to? Why should the players display character and honor if the teams have none? Because the players made a lot of money for a few years? Because they get to play football?

CJ has been one of the top RBs in the league since he came into the league, and signed a contract that he had no choice/say in. The draft/slotting system wasn't agreed to by the players, and CJ had no chance to find a better NFL job. He had no opportunity to apply at different teams, and make his own deal. The terms of his deal, even down to the length of the deal, are set before he even sits down to the negotiating table.

But that doesn't matter, right? All that matters is that he makes more money than us, so he should just be thankful and honor the contract he had almost no say in. (This is the part where you say, "Hey, if he doesn't like it, he can go and get a job like the rest of us....")

It's a ridiculously narrow-minded point of view. These players careers can end on any play. And if they do manage to play for a decent time, their life expectancy shrinks at an alarming rate. Which is just as well, considering many live in constant pain. These guys are in the entertainment business, and only get to perform for a few years, if they are among the best, it seems weird they cannot get paid like the best.

Especially a guy like CJ. A smaller RB? The Titans can make him play out his deal, maybe franchise him for a year, and then everyone can make noise about concerns about a smaller speed back at the age of 29, and he might not even get a big deal. Hey, he will still have made a lot of money, relatively speaking, but based on a draft slot he had no say in, he won't get what the market says he's worth.

Character, my eye. That's just stupid.

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So do you have more sympathy for CJ3 than O'Brien Schofield? Most of you are probably asking yourselves, who is O'Brien Schofield? He's a senior OLB/DE from Wisconsin that was initially projected in the 2nd or 3rd round. Then he was named Defensive MVP of the East West Shrine game, and by all accounts was very impressive at the Senior bowl. He was very well on his way to making millions. Then he blew out his ACL at the Senior bowl. He may now go undrafted.

There's a lot of football players out there getting the shaft way worse the CJ3.

Please cite an example of a team not honoring a contract.

Let me help you out, you won't be able to. See, when teams pay the signing bonus they are paying for the right to have an option contract. If they choose they can pick up the options through the end of the contact, and if they choose not to, that is their right, bought and paid for. Exercising the latter bargained for choice is not dishonoring or breaking the contract, it is actually a contingency contemplated in the contract. Anyone who makes thed argument that owners do not honor their player contracts is misinformed and uneducated on the matter. I blame sloppy reporting for misleading people to belive this.

 
:confused: So: tryign to sort through this, and here's what it seems to read as:You are ok with a team cutting a player before the contract is up, and not honoring their end of said contractYou are NOT ok with a player trying to get more money by not honoring his contract as it specifies he doDoes that not strike you as one of the most two-faced things ever?Here's a comparison to how that sounds: It's ok for mark Cuban to shoot a guy. It's not ok for Dirk Nowitzki to shoot a guy.Does that make sense? It's either ok for both sides ot honor it, or ok for neither side.
Well...not sure how it will work out with any new CBA in the future.But that is the deal players have agreed upon through their union.The team has the ability to cut you and there is no "breach" of contract. They are paid a lot of money up front to put up with such things.Players have signed the dotted line...they have no "out" to get out of the contract. Holding out costs them money...plain and simple.Its the deal they all signed on to...its why they get those big signing bonuses.And your shooting comparison is just plain silly.
 
OMG, the best RB in the league wants to make more than $560,000 next year. What a punk!
Best post I've seen in months.
So he didn't make any more money in bonuses?Its not a bad thing that he wants to make more money...but people are tired of athletes running to the media to force their issues.I would guess with the Titans, had Johnson and his agent brought it to the GM that they would like to work out an extension to lock him up long term...the team would have easily be amicable to it.
 
Chris Johnson was on Sirius yesterday with pat and Ryan, and by no means, did he implicate he was holding out, or trying to do use the media as a forum for money. He basically said if TN wants to pay him more, he'd be all for it. He stated he's not the kind of guy to hold out either, and he just wants to play ball.

Anyhow, unfortunately, this is how it sometimes starts, and with the owners trying to get an 18% paycut from the players(Kevin Mawae, Sirius)as part of the new CBA I would not be surprised if it's the strategy of CJ's camp. Nothing is surprising anymore????

 
Chris Johnson was on Sirius yesterday with pat and Ryan, and by no means, did he implicate he was holding out, or trying to do use the media as a forum for money. He basically said if TN wants to pay him more, he'd be all for it. He stated he's not the kind of guy to hold out either, and he just wants to play ball.

Anyhow, unfortunately, this is how it sometimes starts, and with the owners trying to get an 18% paycut from the players(Kevin Mawae, Sirius)as part of the new CBA I would not be surprised if it's the strategy of CJ's camp. Nothing is surprising anymore????
I laugh at the bolded part though...he says that...but why talk to the media about it in the first place?He is trying to use the media and he knows it.

 
Please cite an example of a team not honoring a contract.Let me help you out, you won't be able to. See, when teams pay the signing bonus they are paying for the right to have an option contract. If they choose they can pick up the options through the end of the contact, and if they choose not to, that is their right, bought and paid for. Exercising the latter bargained for choice is not dishonoring or breaking the contract, it is actually a contingency contemplated in the contract. Anyone who makes thed argument that owners do not honor their player contracts is misinformed and uneducated on the matter. I blame sloppy reporting for misleading people to belive this.
You are right, but it's really semantics. Because a player can sit out 6 games of the season, lose those paychecks, still gain an accrued season for free agency, and teams cannot sue them for breach of contract. That player is not breaching his contract. But that player will get roasted by the teams fans, and there'll be a long, nasty thread is the Shark Pool about what a greedy turd the player is.I think the larger point is that these contracts aren't the holy agreement between men of honor that they are sometimes made out to be. Frankly, I think people know this, and just hide behind the "He has a contract, he should honor it" argument, rather than just spit out the real argument: "He makes more money than I ever will, where does he get off??"
 
Chris Johnson was on Sirius yesterday with pat and Ryan, and by no means, did he implicate he was holding out, or trying to do use the media as a forum for money. He basically said if TN wants to pay him more, he'd be all for it. He stated he's not the kind of guy to hold out either, and he just wants to play ball.

Anyhow, unfortunately, this is how it sometimes starts, and with the owners trying to get an 18% paycut from the players(Kevin Mawae, Sirius)as part of the new CBA I would not be surprised if it's the strategy of CJ's camp. Nothing is surprising anymore????
I laugh at the bolded part though...he says that...but why talk to the media about it in the first place?He is trying to use the media and he knows it.
Because the media asked?Still seems to me to be a non-story. The original quoted material from Johnson at the beginning of this thread came from an interview done in Florida during the Pro Bowl week. I really don't think CJ just came right out and started blabbing about his contract situation. He was asked by a reporter and he answered honestly. He clearly stated then that he was not saying "Pay me, I want a new deal now."

I originally responded at the start of the thread that there was no link to the article and we don't know who the reporter is. I would bet that Johnson was asked about his contract in that piece, but that isn't how it is written. (Of course this is speculation on my part, I have no way of knowing for sure.)

Of course, now more media outlets are aware of his desire to possibly earn more if the Titans are agreeable to it and every interview he does from here on out will involve some sort of questioning of his stance on his contract.

While he may not get it, he has the right to ask for a pay raise. Yet that isn't what he's doing. He's at least trying to say the right things while expressing his desire to be paid more. Quote: "I am playing football. All that new deal stuff, that is between my agent and the Titans. I’ll leave that to them."

Quite a few of the posters in here are being quite speculative also. None of you know for sure that his agent told him to go about mentioning his contract situation at every turn of the microphone or tape recorder. As if having the situation bantered about in the court of public opinion is going to help him get a new contract..........right.

 
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Please cite an example of a team not honoring a contract.Let me help you out, you won't be able to. See, when teams pay the signing bonus they are paying for the right to have an option contract. If they choose they can pick up the options through the end of the contact, and if they choose not to, that is their right, bought and paid for. Exercising the latter bargained for choice is not dishonoring or breaking the contract, it is actually a contingency contemplated in the contract. Anyone who makes thed argument that owners do not honor their player contracts is misinformed and uneducated on the matter. I blame sloppy reporting for misleading people to belive this.
You are right, but it's really semantics. Because a player can sit out 6 games of the season, lose those paychecks, still gain an accrued season for free agency, and teams cannot sue them for breach of contract. That player is not breaching his contract. But that player will get roasted by the teams fans, and there'll be a long, nasty thread is the Shark Pool about what a greedy turd the player is.I think the larger point is that these contracts aren't the holy agreement between men of honor that they are sometimes made out to be. Frankly, I think people know this, and just hide behind the "He has a contract, he should honor it" argument, rather than just spit out the real argument: "He makes more money than I ever will, where does he get off??"
Sure enough. Pat and Tim asked him about the story.
 

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