Chris Johnson owners--beware (1 Viewer)

[switz]

Take it from someone who regularly attends practice, that Ringer is not a threat to CJ or LenDale. Ringer is fumbling handoffs, muffing kickoff catches, and not running with the first team when it counts. The team is taking the "Tomlinson approach" to their two-headed RB monster at practice, and keeping them fresh and using Ringer, Ganther, Chris Henry and Rafeal Little lots in practice.Now if either of the Titans main RB attack goes down, Ringer will probably get 5-10 touches, and running behind the Titans line will make even a 5th round talent look like a top 20 fantasy back.

Interesting Benbadman, you are the first person I have read write this about Ringer, everyone else that I know that is attending practice is saying he is doing very well. Do you believe this is smoke and mirrors then?

I find it interesting that benbadman follows the Cowboys and is supposedly at Titans practices. Yeah right.

You do realize the Titans and Cowboys practiced the week together, right?

 

[Tyrion]

Obviously there are alot of CJ owners in here.

Look guys I'm a huge CJ fan. However, I'm a bigger fan of the Titans and I'm just letting you guys know what's happening.

Ringer is going to be a very good RB in this league. He's turned heads in camp from the moment he was drafted. Fisher loves him. He's going to eat into Lendale's carries and if CJ isn't careful, he'll eat into his carries as well.

Also, if you actually read my original post, I said "re-draft league". And I also said "I wouldn't be surprised if he started eating into CJ's carries a little bit".

Do what you want with the info.

Shader, I appreciate your optimism, but I think you are getting overly excited about a little coachspeak. Sure, Ringer is a hard worker, Fisher likes him, but he's nowhere near the talent of CJ. Plus, they drafted CJ in the first round last year, and he didn't disappoint. There a huge difference between liking a player who has good work ethic, and taking a better player off the field for him. CJ is quite simply the better player, by far.And from your comments about CJs receiving, which was WAY off the mark, it seems like you might just have something against him, not sure what. I don't want to impute bad motives, or anything like that - I'm just guessing based on the bobbled passes comment. As a Tenn fan - that you claim to be - I woudl think you'd seen enough games to know that's just not an accurate statement about CJ.

Could Ringer cut into Lendale's plays? Maybe. CJ's? No. It's like in Dallas where a lot of people love Choice, but the reality is, Choice will see very little time. When he does it will be at the expense of Barber, not Jones.

I think you are really overreacting on Ringer. Every rookie looks great, coaches love every new player, anyone looks good versus third stringers... Ringer's no exception. He'll be the Titans #3 RB, and rarely see the field.

Switz, I have watched all 17 Tennessee games that CJ took part in. I'm probably one of the biggest CJ fans in the world and was singing his praises before the year started in 2008. I can say that I have probably seen 99% of his carries and/or receptions since he has joined the team. He had trouble holding onto the ball last year. Many wondered why Kerry rarely looked his way. It's because he either dropped the ball or bobbled the ball countless times. I don't know how I can prove that. Go re-watch all the games on NFL.com if you don't believe me. If you think I'm wrong, that's fine. I'm just telling you what most "in-the-know" Titans fans think.

The most intelligent Titan fans I've conversed with, the ones whom I respect their opinions the most, all share the same thoughts about CJ. He needs to improve his receiving skills in a big way.

He was targetted 62 times, that's @ 4 times a game. I'm not sure how that's "rarely" for a RB to be targeted. Either you're expecting way too much out of CJ, or don't have a realistic view of how MOST RBs are used in the passing game, or something... it's just what you say doesn't add up to what most people here on these boards have seen with CJ. I'm not sure why.

Yeah Chris Johnson made catches in college games that most Wrs didn't make. I will admit that I thought that Chris would get more receptions last season myself but it didn't seem like they had a good game plan when it came to getting Chris in space. BTW it is my opinion that Chris will still have a big year.

 

[benm3218]

Take it from someone who regularly attends practice, that Ringer is not a threat to CJ or LenDale. Ringer is fumbling handoffs, muffing kickoff catches, and not running with the first team when it counts. The team is taking the "Tomlinson approach" to their two-headed RB monster at practice, and keeping them fresh and using Ringer, Ganther, Chris Henry and Rafeal Little lots in practice.Now if either of the Titans main RB attack goes down, Ringer will probably get 5-10 touches, and running behind the Titans line will make even a 5th round talent look like a top 20 fantasy back.

Interesting Benbadman, you are the first person I have read write this about Ringer, everyone else that I know that is attending practice is saying he is doing very well. Do you believe this is smoke and mirrors then?

I find it interesting that benbadman follows the Cowboys and is supposedly at Titans practices. Yeah right.

You do realize the Titans and Cowboys practiced the week together, right?

no. I didnt. SO that would explain it. But, I don't believe it. No one else has said that at all.

 

[Tyrion]

Take it from someone who regularly attends practice, that Ringer is not a threat to CJ or LenDale. Ringer is fumbling handoffs, muffing kickoff catches, and not running with the first team when it counts. The team is taking the "Tomlinson approach" to their two-headed RB monster at practice, and keeping them fresh and using Ringer, Ganther, Chris Henry and Rafeal Little lots in practice.Now if either of the Titans main RB attack goes down, Ringer will probably get 5-10 touches, and running behind the Titans line will make even a 5th round talent look like a top 20 fantasy back.

Interesting Benbadman, you are the first person I have read write this about Ringer, everyone else that I know that is attending practice is saying he is doing very well. Do you believe this is smoke and mirrors then?

I find it interesting that benbadman follows the Cowboys and is supposedly at Titans practices. Yeah right.

You do realize the Titans and Cowboys practiced the week together, right?

No they didn't.

 

[switz]

Take it from someone who regularly attends practice, that Ringer is not a threat to CJ or LenDale. Ringer is fumbling handoffs, muffing kickoff catches, and not running with the first team when it counts. The team is taking the "Tomlinson approach" to their two-headed RB monster at practice, and keeping them fresh and using Ringer, Ganther, Chris Henry and Rafeal Little lots in practice.Now if either of the Titans main RB attack goes down, Ringer will probably get 5-10 touches, and running behind the Titans line will make even a 5th round talent look like a top 20 fantasy back.

Interesting Benbadman, you are the first person I have read write this about Ringer, everyone else that I know that is attending practice is saying he is doing very well. Do you believe this is smoke and mirrors then?

I find it interesting that benbadman follows the Cowboys and is supposedly at Titans practices. Yeah right.

You do realize the Titans and Cowboys practiced the week together, right?

No they didn't.

Then I retract that statement... I was under that impression from the Nashville City Paper. My apologies to ben

 

[simey]

Take it from someone who regularly attends practice, that Ringer is not a threat to CJ or LenDale. Ringer is fumbling handoffs, muffing kickoff catches, and not running with the first team when it counts. The team is taking the "Tomlinson approach" to their two-headed RB monster at practice, and keeping them fresh and using Ringer, Ganther, Chris Henry and Rafeal Little lots in practice.Now if either of the Titans main RB attack goes down, Ringer will probably get 5-10 touches, and running behind the Titans line will make even a 5th round talent look like a top 20 fantasy back.

Interesting Benbadman, you are the first person I have read write this about Ringer, everyone else that I know that is attending practice is saying he is doing very well. Do you believe this is smoke and mirrors then?

I find it interesting that benbadman follows the Cowboys and is supposedly at Titans practices. Yeah right.

Benbadman lives in Nashville so why is it hard to believe he would watch the Titans practice?

 

[FUBAR]

Agree actually.... Ringer could end up being a poor mans MJD for the Titan's starting next year.

How is Ringer like MJD? He's not quick, not overly elusive, not as agile... has decent vision and hands, but he lacks everything that makes MJD special. That said, I do like Ringer as part of a RBBC.

I don't know the John Ringer your talking about but the guy I saw last Friday night had all of those attributes and he has excellent balance. I didn't know John Ringer's name before the Dallas game but that kid is something special. He was playing against Dallas's 1st team defense and making them look foolish. I still don't know how he returned that kick the way he did. He should have been dead on the 12 yard line. I have Chris Johnson in a keeper league and instead of picking up Lendale this weekend I picked up Ringer at the end of the draft.

He did well in that game, but he hasn't shown those qualities at the same level as the elite MJD.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Interesting Benbadman, you are the first person I have read write this about Ringer, everyone else that I know that is attending practice is saying he is doing very well. Do you believe this is smoke and mirrors then?

I find it interesting that benbadman follows the Cowboys and is supposedly at Titans practices. Yeah right.

You do realize the Titans and Cowboys practiced the week together, right?

No they didn't.

Then I retract that statement... I was under that impression from the Nashville City Paper. My apologies to ben

VINDICATION!!!

 

[flufhed]

He is a better receiver than CJ,

Chris Johnson played a lot of WR in college and has shown ability to be a very good receiver out of the backfield in the NFL. What are you basing this on?

Actually, he hasn't. Titans homer here, and I was expecting CJ to be a monster receiver, too, but it hasn't panned out. He drops alot of passes and just looks lost out there, or at least did last year.Ringer shows much more natural ability catching the ball.

 

[flufhed]

CJ ADP has risen way too high. He's a solid 2nd rounder but he's being drafted as an elite back. He hasn't looked good in the preseason so far either.

I guess I'm not seeing that happening. His ADP is around 1.9. I don't consider that elite back terroritory. If you're drafting at the end of round 1, I'd consider him solid there.He wasn't on my radar heading into my draft, but I took at him at 1.11 and I'm very comfortable drafting him there.

I agree - even with LDW vulturing TDs, and Ringer, he is definitely worth a pick at the end of the first round.

 

[flufhed]

He is a better receiver than CJ,

Chris Johnson played a lot of WR in college and has shown ability to be a very good receiver out of the backfield in the NFL. What are you basing this on?

He has absolutely not shown the ability to be a very good receiver out of the backfield. He dropped or bobbled at least half of the passes that were thrown to him last year.Now obviously with his blazing speed, if he could learn to catch the ball cleanly, he'd be unbelievably dynamic. So the potential is there.

Chris Johnson had 62 targets last year with 43 receptions, that's a 69% reception rate. Lendale White is a greater detriment to his overall FF numbers than his ability, or than your perceived lack there of , to catch the ball. White, or Ringer, will help to extend CJ's football life. He has the physical talent to be unbelievably productive. The team needs to figure out the best way to use his talents. It is on Johnson however to work hard at being the best. I hope CJ doesn't think its automatic because of his skill set. To be a truly great back he will need to work at it.

Here come the stats.

No one is saying CJ isn't a weapon in the passing game - just dispelling the notion that he is a great receiver for a RB. He isn't.

I don't need stats because I watched all the games. I don't know much about fantasy football without consulting other sources, but I do have a good command of the Titans RB situation. And it is absolutely untrue that CJ is a great weapon in the passing game, or at least last year. Ringer already looks much more smooth and comfortable there.

And no one is saying Ringer is going to win the job. But he will get touches. Alot. Titans have a guy who can take some carries from CJ. And they will use him to keep CJ fresh. Look what happened when CJ went down against the Ravens in the playoffs.

 

[flufhed]

Obviously there are alot of CJ owners in here.Look guys I'm a huge CJ fan. However, I'm a bigger fan of the Titans and I'm just letting you guys know what's happening.Ringer is going to be a very good RB in this league. He's turned heads in camp from the moment he was drafted. Fisher loves him. He's going to eat into Lendale's carries and if CJ isn't careful, he'll eat into his carries as well.Also, if you actually read my original post, I said "re-draft league". And I also said "I wouldn't be surprised if he started eating into CJ's carries a little bit".Do what you want with the info.

 

[the rover]

He is a better receiver than CJ,

Chris Johnson played a lot of WR in college and has shown ability to be a very good receiver out of the backfield in the NFL. What are you basing this on?

Actually, he hasn't. Titans homer here, and I was expecting CJ to be a monster receiver, too, but it hasn't panned out. He drops alot of passes and just looks lost out there, or at least did last year.Ringer shows much more natural ability catching the ball.

He caught 69% of the balls thrown his way last year (43 of 62). That's pretty average for a RB targeted more than 50 times. By way of comparison: Reggie Bush caught 71%, LT caught 67%, Gore caught 65%; on the high end Slaton caught 85%, MJD caught 82%."It hasn't panned out" is a pretty groundless opinion based on a sample size of one season, particularly where they expect to target him more this year.

 

[flufhed]

(and I don't have CJ for the record)I should start a thread: "Hey guys, Lovey really likes Garrett Wolfe, Forte better watch out!" haha

Except reports are coming out that Ringer is starting to run with the first string offense, especially on 3rd downs. Is Garrett Wolfe?"Rookie running back Javon Ringer got a lot of work with the first team, so it looks like he could get rewarded for his play over the last few weeks. I know I’d sure like to see more of this guy." Source

The OP is just pointing out the buzz that is going on right now in Titan fan circles. I have to agree, everything that I am hearing is that Ringer is getting serious consideration to be incorporated into the offense, albeit currently it will be a very minor role.

This is the kind of thing that disuades people like me from posting the very little bit of inside info I know. I thought this board was for getting info you might not otherwise get.

None of the Titans fans said anything about preseason stats. They are meaningless, I agree.

We're just passing along info we have got from being a little more in the loop about the Titans than the average fantasy football guy.

 

[flufhed]

He is a better receiver than CJ,

Chris Johnson played a lot of WR in college and has shown ability to be a very good receiver out of the backfield in the NFL. What are you basing this on?

Actually, he hasn't. Titans homer here, and I was expecting CJ to be a monster receiver, too, but it hasn't panned out. He drops alot of passes and just looks lost out there, or at least did last year.Ringer shows much more natural ability catching the ball.

He caught 69% of the balls thrown his way last year (43 of 62). That's pretty average for a RB targeted more than 50 times. By way of comparison: Reggie Bush caught 71%, LT caught 67%, Gore caught 65%; on the high end Slaton caught 85%, MJD caught 82%."It hasn't panned out" is a pretty groundless opinion based on a sample size of one season, particularly where they expect to target him more this year.

I watched virtually every Titans offensive snap last year. He looks awkward cathing the ball to me.Actually, if anything this fact gives CJ some potential upside.

 

[the rover]

He is a better receiver than CJ,

Chris Johnson played a lot of WR in college and has shown ability to be a very good receiver out of the backfield in the NFL. What are you basing this on?

Actually, he hasn't. Titans homer here, and I was expecting CJ to be a monster receiver, too, but it hasn't panned out. He drops alot of passes and just looks lost out there, or at least did last year.Ringer shows much more natural ability catching the ball.

He caught 69% of the balls thrown his way last year (43 of 62). That's pretty average for a RB targeted more than 50 times. By way of comparison: Reggie Bush caught 71%, LT caught 67%, Gore caught 65%; on the high end Slaton caught 85%, MJD caught 82%."It hasn't panned out" is a pretty groundless opinion based on a sample size of one season, particularly where they expect to target him more this year.

I watched virtually every Titans offensive snap last year. He looks awkward cathing the ball to me.Actually, if anything this fact gives CJ some potential upside.

Not disagreeing with you that he may have looked awkward or even bobbled catches--my point is that you have to weigh your observations against how the RB's that you didn't watch actually performed. LT, for example, is widely thought of as a pretty decent receiver out of the backfield; but at least last year he caught a lower percentage of balls thrown to him than CJ did. As a fan, I think the bobbles and drops stick out more in your perception of his ability. Relative to other running backs, he's probably better than you think.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

If anyone has something close to

for Javon Ringer please post...I would especially like to know if he can do some of the things I saw when I got hyped on CJ during 2007/2008. I certainly haven't seen it. Insane...

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah

My heart is purple and gold

I'm a pirate down to my soul

And I don't back down not at all

Find out when the canons explode!!!

You folks must be the same that doubt DWill too...just keep doubting these boys and letting idiots like me pick them up in the 2nd round, no problem. I'll take Chris Johnson, you take Javon Ringer in the last round and we'll see what we have.

Chris Johnson has something you can't teach and its highlighted in that video over and over and over again...the :25 mark where he takes the screen pass and literally you can see the jock straps fall down on the defense trying to catch him.

Pure Raw Organic SPEED!!!

For a guy that was taken higher than was necesary, I don't think he disappointed Titans fans at all. Jeff Fisher liked Chris Johnson enough to overspend and grab in the 1st. He could have likely drafted Felix, Rashard, there were a bunch of RBs in 2008 but he basically proposed to Chris Johnson in the 1st round so stop with the Fisher lover for Ringer...Fisher likes all his players but his actions would indicate that he favors Chris Johnson by a mile.

Are we really debating whether Chis Johnson will lose touches to Javon Ringer? Seriously?

Will Chris Johnson live up to his draft spot? Time will tell but he is going to have some monster games along the way. He might not have the consistency of Clinton Portis but he will be a home run threat.

 

[switz]

I find it interesting that benbadman follows the Cowboys and is supposedly at Titans practices. Yeah right.

You do realize the Titans and Cowboys practiced the week together, right?

No they didn't.

Then I retract that statement... I was under that impression from the Nashville City Paper. My apologies to ben

VINDICATION!!!

Is Masked Vigilante and alias for benm3218?

 

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Except reports are coming out that Ringer is starting to run with the first string offense, especially on 3rd downs. Is Garrett Wolfe?

"Rookie running back Javon Ringer got a lot of work with the first team, so it looks like he could get rewarded for his play over the last few weeks. I know I’d sure like to see more of this guy." Source

The OP is just pointing out the buzz that is going on right now in Titan fan circles. I have to agree, everything that I am hearing is that Ringer is getting serious consideration to be incorporated into the offense, albeit currently it will be a very minor role.

This is the kind of thing that disuades people like me from posting the very little bit of inside info I know. I thought this board was for getting info you might not otherwise get.

None of the Titans fans said anything about preseason stats. They are meaningless, I agree.

We're just passing along info we have got from being a little more in the loop about the Titans than the average fantasy football guy.

Fair enough. Curious how you guys see the TN backfield shaking out then? Not being confrontational.. just asking for your take on how Ringer will affect things (ie what are your projections and how has this news affected them?)

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

He is too good to keep off the field.

You said this in regards to Ringer, but I think it applies more to CJ...

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

If I recall correctly the last couple of years The #3 Tenn RB was rarely active on game day. To me Ringer is a non factor as it pertains to CJ's production.

Those of you saying he would be a great #2 back are right. So would ADP but you are not getting him in the 2nd either.

I think CJ is worth a high 1st rounder this year, others may not, that's why we play the game

 

[flintpanthers]

He is the only guy who you all see in the top 10 who does not goal line carries. Homerun threat yes, reliable player for the Titans yes, Reliable fantasy option among top fantasy backs? No, not even close.

 

[LHUCKS]

Chris Johnson is arguably the most dangerous RB in the league...if you think Javon Ringer or Lendale White are going to cut into his touches you're not thinking like a head coach trying to win the division.

Johnson's role is reported to be expanding, not shrinking.

 

[jwinston2]

If anyone has something close to

A little over the top, not one Titan fan is doubting Chris Johnson. However Ringer is getting noticed by the coaches which speaks volumes when you have a backfield that has CJ, White, Ganther, and Little. The OP is just pointing out that this attention has garnered Ringer some snaps with the first offense. As has been pointed out if Ringer continues to get this attention do not be surprised if they do not run him in some plays in 3rd down situations, especially when CJ needs a breather.

 

[flufhed]

Except reports are coming out that Ringer is starting to run with the first string offense, especially on 3rd downs. Is Garrett Wolfe?

"Rookie running back Javon Ringer got a lot of work with the first team, so it looks like he could get rewarded for his play over the last few weeks. I know I’d sure like to see more of this guy." Source

The OP is just pointing out the buzz that is going on right now in Titan fan circles. I have to agree, everything that I am hearing is that Ringer is getting serious consideration to be incorporated into the offense, albeit currently it will be a very minor role.

This is the kind of thing that disuades people like me from posting the very little bit of inside info I know. I thought this board was for getting info you might not otherwise get.

None of the Titans fans said anything about preseason stats. They are meaningless, I agree.

We're just passing along info we have got from being a little more in the loop about the Titans than the average fantasy football guy.

Fair enough. Curious how you guys see the TN backfield shaking out then? Not being confrontational.. just asking for your take on how Ringer will affect things (ie what are your projections and how has this news affected them?)

As soon as he was drafted I knew they would find a way to get him on the field, and assumed it would be at the expense of White.Now I honestly see him eating into CJ's carries, if nothing else solely to keep CJ healthy all year.

CJ is still the man, and I don't see his numbers dropping off much, if at all, from last year. But I also think having Ringer there does do a serious dent to his upside.

 

[benbadman]

Take it from someone who regularly attends practice, that Ringer is not a threat to CJ or LenDale. Ringer is fumbling handoffs, muffing kickoff catches, and not running with the first team when it counts. The team is taking the "Tomlinson approach" to their two-headed RB monster at practice, and keeping them fresh and using Ringer, Ganther, Chris Henry and Rafeal Little lots in practice.Now if either of the Titans main RB attack goes down, Ringer will probably get 5-10 touches, and running behind the Titans line will make even a 5th round talent look like a top 20 fantasy back.

Interesting Benbadman, you are the first person I have read write this about Ringer, everyone else that I know that is attending practice is saying he is doing very well. Do you believe this is smoke and mirrors then?

I find it interesting that benbadman follows the Cowboys and is supposedly at Titans practices. Yeah right.

Hey benm3218, thanks for the note. Good luck in the Anarchy4 league this year. If you must know I'm a fan of my Texas teams, the Cowboys and Oilers->Titans. Didnt see an option to pick both teams.Coincidentally, just got back from practice, Ringer wasn't on the field for any 2 minute drill for the last 30 minutes of practice. It was CJ, LenDale and Quinton Ganther (3rd year guy from Utah, a 7th round draft pick).Don't get me wrong, Ringer is making some good plays, but is also making plenty of bonehead plays that get coaches yelling. Of course you know what they say, when the coaches stop caring about a player then the player is on their way out, so that's a good sign.As for the fantasy football implications of all this camp talk about late round RB diamonds in the rough... me personally, I'm not downgrading or scared away from LT/Sproles by Gartrell Johnson (rd4), Ray Rice by Cedric Peerman (rd 6), Stewart or DeAngelo by Mike Goodson (rd4), etc. Unless you are in some deep 20+ round fantasy league, just seems hard to justify picking one of these longshot rookies when there are plenty of guys with easier paths to getting on the field. But if you are in a deep roster, or dynasty league, by all means Ringer is a guy with NFL ability who may see more time when LenDale leaves after this year. Although the Titans have a habit of drafting a RB every year, so in 2010 there will be a new Javon Ringer.All the best,BB

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Are we really debating whether Chis Johnson will lose touches to Javon Ringer? Seriously?

Nice to see a little perspective in here.Javon Ringer is far from a difference-making talent, and that's what it would take to crack the Titans RB rotation on a regular basis.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Chris Johnson is arguably the most dangerous RB in the league...if you think Javon Ringer or Lendale White are going to cut into his touches you're not thinking like a head coach trying to win the division.

Johnson's role is reported to be expanding, not shrinking.

Jeff Fisher isn't exactly falling all over himself to heap praise on Ringer:

Titans coach Jeff Fisher won’t commit to the competition being decided yet, offering only this about the rookie’s play against the Dallas Cowboys Friday night: “We drafted him because he has ability, and we have a lot of backs on the roster that have ability. I’m pleased with his preseason thus far.”

True and vague enough, but all Ringer has done in preseason is lead the team in rushing through three games and also throw himself into the kickoff return mix as well with a 51-yard runback Friday night.

“It was a good run. He got in some traffic and bounced out,” Fisher said. “We’ve seen runners do that all the time, but we’re going to continue to look at him.”

...

There are still two preseason games left, and Fisher will wait until all the results are tabulated before he declares an official winner, saying all four in the race will get their chances to shine.

“We know what Q can do. We need to see some improvement out of Chris Henry and we need to find out what Javon can do in game situations,” Fisher said. “We still have two ballgames left, and there’s a good chance Q will get his carries as well as Rafael.”

For his part, Ringer said he won’t let down until all the ballots are in.

“I still want to be more comfortable with the offense. I feel there’s more opportunity to develop,” Ringer said.

Dude hasn't even won the No. 3 job yet. It looks like he will, but the coaches love Quinton Ganther.Fisher is pretty straightforward as far as NFL coaches. I find it interesting that he isn't willing to commit to Ringer nearly as much as the guys in here hyping him.

 

[Banger]

Chris Johnson is arguably the most dangerous RB in the league...if you think Javon Ringer or Lendale White are going to cut into his touches you're not thinking like a head coach trying to win the division.

Johnson's role is reported to be expanding, not shrinking.

Jeff Fisher isn't exactly falling all over himself to heap praise on Ringer:

Titans coach Jeff Fisher won’t commit to the competition being decided yet, offering only this about the rookie’s play against the Dallas Cowboys Friday night: “We drafted him because he has ability, and we have a lot of backs on the roster that have ability. I’m pleased with his preseason thus far.”

True and vague enough, but all Ringer has done in preseason is lead the team in rushing through three games and also throw himself into the kickoff return mix as well with a 51-yard runback Friday night.

“It was a good run. He got in some traffic and bounced out,” Fisher said. “We’ve seen runners do that all the time, but we’re going to continue to look at him.”

...

There are still two preseason games left, and Fisher will wait until all the results are tabulated before he declares an official winner, saying all four in the race will get their chances to shine.

“We know what Q can do. We need to see some improvement out of Chris Henry and we need to find out what Javon can do in game situations,” Fisher said. “We still have two ballgames left, and there’s a good chance Q will get his carries as well as Rafael.”

For his part, Ringer said he won’t let down until all the ballots are in.

“I still want to be more comfortable with the offense. I feel there’s more opportunity to develop,” Ringer said.

Dude hasn't even won the No. 3 job yet. It looks like he will, but the coaches love Quinton Ganther.Fisher is pretty straightforward as far as NFL coaches. I find it interesting that he isn't willing to commit to Ringer nearly as much as the guys in here hyping him.

He's won the #3 job and probably a good part of White's job to boot. He's being a coach and making it seem like there's a competition when there really is none.

 

[Finless]

Easy switz... you and I agree on most things

Seriously?Johnson will be fine. He's the best offensive player on the field. You think they're going to find ways to keep him off the field

 

[Fear & Loathing]

He's won the #3 job and probably a good part of White's job to boot. He's being a coach and making it seem like there's a competition when there really is none.

Funny, he didn't do that with Johnson last year. Instead, he spent the whole preseason explaining that Johnson would be "the man." So he's changing his M.O. this year? Scratch that. Kenny Britt is already running as the No. 3 WR -- and now likely the No. 2 with Nate Washington injured. Fisher hasn't made up any pretense about a competition when there really is none at WR. In fact, I don't see any other position on the roster where he's doing that, so it must only be at third RB.

 

[FUBAR]

Are we really debating whether Chis Johnson will lose touches to Javon Ringer? Seriously?

Nice to see a little perspective in here.Javon Ringer is far from a difference-making talent, and that's what it would take to crack the Titans RB rotation on a regular basis.

Ringer will get carries, but the notion that there are X amount of total carries that a team can have in a year which automatically means every time another RB touches the ball is one less for another is over simplistic. If anything, Ringer getting carries will mean slightly less passes or just more time of possession.

 

[Banger]

He's won the #3 job and probably a good part of White's job to boot. He's being a coach and making it seem like there's a competition when there really is none.

Funny, he didn't do that with Johnson last year. Instead, he spent the whole preseason explaining that Johnson would be "the man." So he's changing his M.O. this year? Scratch that. Kenny Britt is already running as the No. 3 WR -- and now likely the No. 2 with Nate Washington injured. Fisher hasn't made up any pretense about a competition when there really is none at WR. In fact, I don't see any other position on the roster where he's doing that, so it must only be at third RB.

He's not gunning for the starter job, so it's an apples/oranges comparison. Do you really think Chris Henry is competing with Ringer, seriously? His impressive 4-9 last game or Ganthers 0-0? It's over Johny....I'm not saying that he's taking over CJ's job by any stretch but you can take it to the bank that he's their #3 back.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

He's not gunning for the starter job, so it's an apples/oranges comparison. Do you really think Chris Henry is competing with Ringer, seriously? His impressive 4-9 last game or Ganthers 0-0? It's over Johny....I'm not saying that he's taking over CJ's job by any stretch but you can take it to the bank that he's their #3 back.

No, I don't think Henry has any shot of sticking with the team, but everybody in here is underrating how much the coaches appreciate Ganther as a role player (he got zero touches against Dallas b/c the coaches know exactly what he brings to the table). For what it's worth, I think Ringer wins the No. 3 job, but I think Fisher's words and actions mean much more here than you do. Ringer isn't going to have a significant offensive role.

 

[Banger]

He's not gunning for the starter job, so it's an apples/oranges comparison. Do you really think Chris Henry is competing with Ringer, seriously? His impressive 4-9 last game or Ganthers 0-0? It's over Johny....I'm not saying that he's taking over CJ's job by any stretch but you can take it to the bank that he's their #3 back.

No, I don't think Henry has any shot of sticking with the team, but everybody in here is underrating how much the coaches appreciate Ganther as a role player (he got zero touches against Dallas b/c the coaches know exactly what he brings to the table). For what it's worth, I think Ringer wins the No. 3 job, but I think Fisher's words and actions mean much more here than you do. Ringer isn't going to have a significant offensive role.

I think he wins the #3 job too and I don't think he has a significant role but he'll certainly have more of a role than their #3 did last year. Those touches will come from Lendales pocket.

 

[Big]

How is Ringer's pass protection compared to CJ's, that may be the decisive factor.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Teams can love backups, for playing beyond expectations, for working hard, for showing toughness. But at the end of the day this is not pee wee football where everybody plays. You put the best guys out there because you want to win games. Ringer spells CJ after a long run, big hit, or when ahead in 4th quarter. That will account for his 40-50 touches this year.Every team has guys that coaches love, that never play, but get lots of love in preseason. Take off the TN goggles.

 

[benbadman]

can somebody bump this post when Javon Ringer wins them a fantasy game please

 

[shader]

Take it from someone who regularly attends practice, that Ringer is not a threat to CJ or LenDale. Ringer is fumbling handoffs, muffing kickoff catches, and not running with the first team when it counts. The team is taking the "Tomlinson approach" to their two-headed RB monster at practice, and keeping them fresh and using Ringer, Ganther, Chris Henry and Rafeal Little lots in practice.Now if either of the Titans main RB attack goes down, Ringer will probably get 5-10 touches, and running behind the Titans line will make even a 5th round talent look like a top 20 fantasy back.

Interesting Benbadman, you are the first person I have read write this about Ringer, everyone else that I know that is attending practice is saying he is doing very well. Do you believe this is smoke and mirrors then?

No he is lying or he has the jerseys confused. I haven't met a single soul who has said anything remotely close to this.

 

[shader]

He is a better receiver than CJ,

Chris Johnson played a lot of WR in college and has shown ability to be a very good receiver out of the backfield in the NFL. What are you basing this on?

Actually, he hasn't. Titans homer here, and I was expecting CJ to be a monster receiver, too, but it hasn't panned out. He drops alot of passes and just looks lost out there, or at least did last year.Ringer shows much more natural ability catching the ball.

He caught 69% of the balls thrown his way last year (43 of 62). That's pretty average for a RB targeted more than 50 times. By way of comparison: Reggie Bush caught 71%, LT caught 67%, Gore caught 65%; on the high end Slaton caught 85%, MJD caught 82%."It hasn't panned out" is a pretty groundless opinion based on a sample size of one season, particularly where they expect to target him more this year.

I'd think some of you would say "wow, the Titans best player is being criticized universally by most Titans fans for his receiving skills...maybe there's something to that". Instead you are all piling on and bringing your useless stats.The problem was not so much the drops, it was the fact that Johnson bobbled his receptions countless times. I wish I could go back and count up the number of times they threw a swing pass to CJ and he bobbled it for a second or two, giving the defense time to catch up to the play.Yes, they tried using him in the passing game, but he wasn't a great weapon compared to what he should have been because his hands were poor.

 

[shader]

If anyone has something close to

Has one single individual posted that they'd rather have Ringer than Chris Johnson? No. Thanks for stopping by and letting us know Chris Johnson is unbelievably fast.

 

[shader]

Are we really debating whether Chis Johnson will lose touches to Javon Ringer? Seriously?

Nice to see a little perspective in here.Javon Ringer is far from a difference-making talent, and that's what it would take to crack the Titans RB rotation on a regular basis.

Lendale White has never been a difference maker in his life. So it won't be that hard for Ringer to crack the rotation.

 

[dapunisher]

Are we really debating whether Chis Johnson will lose touches to Javon Ringer? Seriously?

Nice to see a little perspective in here.

Javon Ringer is far from a difference-making talent, and that's what it would take to crack the Titans RB rotation on a regular basis.

Lendale White has never been a difference maker in his life. So it won't be that hard for Ringer to crack the rotation.

You've made some good points on this thread. This is not one of them.I don't know how you make a statement like this about a guy who scored 15 TDs last year.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

If anyone has something close to

I'll stop by and let you know when Johnson scores, you let us all know when Ringer is having a good game or is cutting into Johnson's touches.Did I misread the title of the thread? It says Chris Johnson owners beware...who wrote that? I am not trying to be a jerk but you made the statement about Ringer taking time from Chris Johnson. I didn't see dynasty mentioned although I would still argue Johnson is a much better dyansty prospect as well.

If you wanted to highlight Ringer and his camp, why not just have a thread talking about Ringer but when you post stuff like Ringer cutting into CJ's touches it gets a little crazy and off the ranch.

I like your fire though, it's good to get passionate.

 

[munchkin]

Are we really debating whether Chis Johnson will lose touches to Javon Ringer? Seriously?

Nice to see a little perspective in here.

Javon Ringer is far from a difference-making talent, and that's what it would take to crack the Titans RB rotation on a regular basis.

Lendale White has never been a difference maker in his life. So it won't be that hard for Ringer to crack the rotation.

You see, this is the type of hyperbole that makes people not want to take you seriously. Lendale was a difference maker in High School and College. He was a 4 star high school recruit and a very productive player for USC. Now has he used his physical talent in the NFL, not really. We will see if his attitude adjustment and weight loss can help him as he attempts to capitalize on his impending FA (if the League and the Union come to an agreement). The Cat has not been a true difference maker in the NFL but he didn't come into the League as an un-heralded player. He stock did drop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LenDale_White) for the reasons mentioned in the link. I am sure the Titans are not totally satisfied with White's commitment to the game and the team but let's not resort to blatant hyperbole.

As for Johnson, the guy has to work on his deficiencies. Catching 69% (even if some are double caught) of his passes his not awful. He can and should do better. He has the skills but he needs to show the commitment to take his game to the next level. I can't imagine Ringer is going to take the ball out of his hands at any level unless he shows that he is not interested in improving his craft. If the coaches feel that Johnson is not being "coachable" and is a bit obstinate then maybe they start giving the ball to someone else if they feel that person can do a better job with those touches. No one is immune to feeling the wrath of their coaches. Look at TO, he certainly has exhibited a propensity for drops over the years but his overall skills are so high that a coach is unlikely to take him off the field because of his explosiveness when he gets the ball in his hands.

 

[flufhed]

can somebody bump this post when Javon Ringer wins them a fantasy game please

Can someone quote the post that says Ringer should even be drafted?

 

[flufhed]

Bottom line: CJ is electric. The best player on the Titans offense. In fact last year he was darn near the entire offense. There is no single player more important to the Titans than Chris Johnson.

CJ will get touches. He will have a goo year. Definitely a 1st rd draft pick worthy year. All I am saying is that I think his upside is limited because he won't be getting goalline touches, and they will find ways to keep him fresh, IMO. He will still be the feature back, but with this Ringer kid it looks like we have a guy who legitimately can be given carries between the 20s, unlike White last year. And let's not even start on Henry.

That's all.

I actually think CJ is a very safe pick towards the end of the first round. he will give you carries and yeards.

but, despite all his talent, I don't see him having the potential to be a top 5 guy. Ringer is one part of that picture, only to the extent that he seems like a legit guy that can be counted on to relieve some pressure from CJ.

I really think it is in the Titans interest this year and long term to give CJ breathers when possible.

 

[switz]

Bottom line: CJ is electric. The best player on the Titans offense. In fact last year he was darn near the entire offense. There is no single player more important to the Titans than Chris Johnson.

CJ will get touches. He will have a goo year. Definitely a 1st rd draft pick worthy year. All I am saying is that I think his upside is limited because he won't be getting goalline touches, and they will find ways to keep him fresh, IMO. He will still be the feature back, but with this Ringer kid it looks like we have a guy who legitimately can be given carries between the 20s, unlike White last year. And let's not even start on Henry.

That's all.

I actually think CJ is a very safe pick towards the end of the first round. he will give you carries and yeards.

but, despite all his talent, I don't see him having the potential to be a top 5 guy. Ringer is one part of that picture, only to the extent that he seems like a legit guy that can be counted on to relieve some pressure from CJ.

I really think it is in the Titans interest this year and long term to give CJ breathers when possible.

Where do I start....[code=

Last season he had 10 TDs in 15 games, while NOT getting goal line touches at all. Last year the #3 RB (Peterson) only had 10 TDs. The #4 (Forte) only had 12 TDs. In fact, there were only 8 RBs who scored more TDs than Chris Johnson.

2) Titans will give CJ breathers when possible.

Are you saying they didn't last year? He only had 251 carries, not even 300 touches! And they continually say they want to give him a larger role.

3) No potential to be top-5.

Well we already discussed that from a TD perspective, he was around the #3 RB from last year in TD production. He also missed one game. He finished the season as the #11 RB, only off the #5 RB by 33 points, about 2 PPG. And that's actually counting the whole season, not just the first 13 week FF regular season. After week #13 he was the #7 RB overall. At that point there were only 10 RBs with more carries... the Titans really lessened his workload after that, for the playoffs I'd guess. But he clearly has potential to be top-5, maybe not #1 or #2, but top-5.

 

[jwinston2]

Bottom line: CJ is electric. The best player on the Titans offense. In fact last year he was darn near the entire offense. There is no single player more important to the Titans than Chris Johnson.

CJ will get touches. He will have a goo year. Definitely a 1st rd draft pick worthy year. All I am saying is that I think his upside is limited because he won't be getting goalline touches, and they will find ways to keep him fresh, IMO. He will still be the feature back, but with this Ringer kid it looks like we have a guy who legitimately can be given carries between the 20s, unlike White last year. And let's not even start on Henry.

That's all.

I actually think CJ is a very safe pick towards the end of the first round. he will give you carries and yeards.

but, despite all his talent, I don't see him having the potential to be a top 5 guy. Ringer is one part of that picture, only to the extent that he seems like a legit guy that can be counted on to relieve some pressure from CJ.

I really think it is in the Titans interest this year and long term to give CJ breathers when possible.

Where do I start....

For point 2)You forget, CJ does not have the BMI to get more carries like other backs.    :sleep:

 

[Aardvarks]

I'm as close to the Titans team as you can be without being employed.

This thread is bonkers. Only a few of you, like LHUCKS are able to see that.

Javon Ringer is going to make the team, that's about it. For 2009. Let's talk about Ringer next year when the Titans don't give Lendale an extension.

Chris Johnson is the new Clinton Portis. 1400 yards, highlight runs, a big handful of TDs, most of them from 10-30 yards out. Yes he will lose some goal-line carries. Big deal. I'll take Johnson at #6, #7 or #8 all day long. Maybe #4 if you have distance-TD bonuses.

 

[switz]

2) Titans will give CJ breathers when possible.Are you saying they didn't last year? He only had 251 carries, not even 300 touches! And they continually say they want to give him a larger role.

For point 2)You forget, CJ does not have the BMI to get more carries like other backs.

Who says he has to get carries, he only had 40 receptions. He could get 60-70 like a Westbrook (who I'd compared him to, or Bush)He could get a few more carries, as long as they (as they're already doing) continue to save him from wear and tear on other downs.