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In any of the above cases did the starter lose their job ???
That's a loaded question.On the one hand, you've got the backs who got injured. Bettis missed 5 games in 2001, James missed 10 games in 2001, Davis missed 4 games in 2002, Jamal Lewis missed 4 games in 2004 (although due to suspension, no injury), and Williams missed the entire 2004 season (due to retirement, but the beating he was receiving was a major reason for retirement). That's 5 of the 10 cases where the backup saw significant work.

As to whether any starters lost their jobs... I don't know that that's particularly applicable. First, only 4 players had a lower ypc in year N than Johnson (Bettis 2000, George 2000, Davis 2001, Williams 2003). All 4 of those guys either saw their ypc and production drop dramatically. They all suffered from either injury, or dramatically reduced production. In Perry's case, I have to assume that a drop in production from Johnson will be all that's necessary to convince the Cincinatti coaches to give Perry a chance.

 
In any of the above cases did the starter lose their job ???
That's a loaded question.On the one hand, you've got the backs who got injured. Bettis missed 5 games in 2001, James missed 10 games in 2001, Davis missed 4 games in 2002, Jamal Lewis missed 4 games in 2004 (although due to suspension, no injury), and Williams missed the entire 2004 season (due to retirement, but the beating he was receiving was a major reason for retirement). That's 5 of the 10 cases where the backup saw significant work.

As to whether any starters lost their jobs... I don't know that that's particularly applicable. First, only 4 players had a lower ypc in year N than Johnson (Bettis 2000, George 2000, Davis 2001, Williams 2003). All 4 of those guys either saw their ypc and production drop dramatically. They all suffered from either injury, or dramatically reduced production. In Perry's case, I have to assume that a drop in production from Johnson will be all that's necessary to convince the Cincinatti coaches to give Perry a chance.
Hmm interesting - let's see what happens week one
 
In any of the above cases did the starter lose their job ???
That's a loaded question.On the one hand, you've got the backs who got injured. Bettis missed 5 games in 2001, James missed 10 games in 2001, Davis missed 4 games in 2002, Jamal Lewis missed 4 games in 2004 (although due to suspension, no injury), and Williams missed the entire 2004 season (due to retirement, but the beating he was receiving was a major reason for retirement). That's 5 of the 10 cases where the backup saw significant work.

As to whether any starters lost their jobs... I don't know that that's particularly applicable. First, only 4 players had a lower ypc in year N than Johnson (Bettis 2000, George 2000, Davis 2001, Williams 2003). All 4 of those guys either saw their ypc and production drop dramatically. They all suffered from either injury, or dramatically reduced production. In Perry's case, I have to assume that a drop in production from Johnson will be all that's necessary to convince the Cincinatti coaches to give Perry a chance.
Hmm interesting - let's see what happens week one
 
Curtis Martin-

Year N: 16 games, 371/1697/12

Year N+1: ???
Interestingly enough, Curtis Martin had 2 (pretty) good back to back 350+ seasons in the 90's1998: 369/1287/8

1999: 367/1464/5

Can he do it again?

Guess we'll find out.

 
I've never thought that Rudy was any more than a totally average (if that) back. The contract Cincy gave him really surprised me. I'd like to hear from Cincy homers whether they feel Perry is more talented than Rudy. If it turns out that Perry is more talented, why wouldn't the Bengals figure it out eventually and simply start Perry? What advantage does Rudy bring (other than one high carry/low YPC season)?

 
I've never thought that Rudy was any more than a totally average (if that) back. The contract Cincy gave him really surprised me. I'd like to hear from Cincy homers whether they feel Perry is more talented than Rudy. If it turns out that Perry is more talented, why wouldn't the Bengals figure it out eventually and simply start Perry? What advantage does Rudy bring (other than one high carry/low YPC season)?
Rudi is the kind of back that gets stronger as the game goes on. But he is truly one dimensional in the respect. Perry however seems to be much more versatile. While I haven't seen the same ability to really wear down defenses in him, he is still tough between the tackles, is shiftier and can catch the ball. Rudi is more durable, IMO which may be a big part of why they gave him the contract but Perry when healthy is the more complete back. And I say this in spite of my typical abhorrence of Michigan RBs.
 
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The Bengals just inked Rudi to a big 5 year deal . So they have 2 large investments at RB.

 
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Anyone know the parameters of that deal? Big signing bonus? Salaries escalating late in the contract? There are all sorts of contracts...some all but preclude cutting a guy until he nears the end of it...others not so much.I find myself wondering what Rudi's contract is like.

 
If Rudi was released or cut, Cincy homers will probably burn down the city. He is beloved here. I do see perry as the better overall back though. I hope we can just keep them both for a long time, they are a very dangerous duo and compliment the other perfectly.

 
If Rudi was released or cut, Cincy homers will probably burn down the city. He is beloved here. I do see perry as the better overall back though. I hope we can just keep them both for a long time, they are a very dangerous duo and compliment the other perfectly.
agreed. I think it will be a thunder & lightning scenario going forward.
 
The Bengals just inked Rudi to a big 5 year deal . So they have 2 large investments at RB.
I believe Perry was still struggling with abdominal injuries when the deal went down.Perry's value has been on the rise since the preseason. It will be interesting to see how the 1st few games play out for him.

 
For what its worth,Perry did not get purchased last night in my auction league. A fair number of sharks in it. 13 teams and 4 required RB spots each. Thats 52 spots.Yes, he is on my list if someone goes down. I was planning on taking him but got stuck with Duckett as my 4th RB (trying to push up bidding). But the point that I am making is that he is still off most people's radars....That may change after week 1.

 
Wk 1:5 carries, 11 yards 2.2 YPC 0 TD's5 catches, 37 yards 7.4 YPC 0 TD's10 touches Week 1. Would like to have seen a better YPC but still definitely involved. Of course Rudi had a nice day so C Perry is still flying under the radar.

 
Wk 1:

5 carries, 11 yards 2.2 YPC 0 TD's

5 catches, 37 yards 7.4 YPC 0 TD's

10 touches Week 1. Would like to have seen a better YPC but still definitely involved. Of course Rudi had a nice day so C Perry is still flying under the radar.
:yes: And that's 28 touches for Rudi, 10 for Perry.

75/25 in week 1. We'll have to see how that continues/changes.

 
Wk 1:

5 carries, 11 yards 2.2 YPC 0 TD's

5 catches, 37 yards 7.4 YPC 0 TD's

10 touches Week 1. Would like to have seen a better YPC but still definitely involved. Of course Rudi had a nice day so C Perry is still flying under the radar.
:yes: And that's 28 touches for Rudi, 10 for Perry.

75/25 in week 1. We'll have to see how that continues/changes.
Those numbers a skewed due to Rudi's "punishment" of not starting last week. I think you will see Perry lose 5 of those touches right off the bat. If the Bengals get way up, I think they will keep Rudi in there and make him earn his money anyway.
 
Wk 1:

5 carries, 11 yards 2.2 YPC 0 TD's

5 catches, 37 yards 7.4 YPC 0 TD's

10 touches Week 1. Would like to have seen a better YPC but still definitely involved. Of course Rudi had a nice day so C Perry is still flying under the radar.
:yes: And that's 28 touches for Rudi, 10 for Perry.

75/25 in week 1. We'll have to see how that continues/changes.
Those numbers a skewed due to Rudi's "punishment" of not starting last week. I think you will see Perry lose 5 of those touches right off the bat. If the Bengals get way up, I think they will keep Rudi in there and make him earn his money anyway.
I don't see how Perry loses 5 touches just because Rudi begins the game.Perry had two carries in the first drive, so I suppose I could see where he would end up with 8, if nothing changes.

As for who runs the ball if Cincy is up, maybe you're right, but I would generally assume they'd put in their backup RB, to keep Rudi healthy for next week. Who knows really? It's probably a non-issue as I don't see Cincy getting "way up" this week.

 
26 carres X 16 games = 416 carries. Can't see Rudi holding up under that kind of workload, they'll have to cut that back a bit.If anything, I see Perry getting more touches in the run game, and continuing his role in the passing game.

 
wouldnt surprise me to see him catch 50-60 balls this year. i like him just as much as marshall faulk.
50-60 catches?come on
I can see it happening
based on what?The cincy offense does not pass to the RB's much, if at all.

Rudi had 15 catches, that's less than on per game. Kenny Watson, the third down change of pace back had something like 35 catches.

This just isn't gonna happen, take him as your rb5/6, handcuff him to Rudi etc.

But unless Rudi gets hurt and Cincy changes there offense, he'll be lucky to catch 35.
(Lack of vision)
 
I've grabbed Perry late in almost all leagues. IMO, he is a perfect late-round RB.

If the starter gets hurt, I think he will put up equal if not better stats. And he isn't even wasting a roster spot either, as given Cincy's basically committed to giving him touches, he is a great emergency bye week or injury fill in guy (unlike the Mo Morris' who really take up space unless the starter goes down).

I'm not sure about the 60 catches, but I don't think 35-40 is out of the question, which makes him a viable RB3/4 in ppr leagues.

Ideally he will end up rewarding savvy owners who shop him to nervous Rudi owners after Perry showcases his skills early season :)
:goodposting: Exactly. I also took him late. 17 out of an 18 rounder. As the season unfolds, he will be taking more and more touches, especially as a 3rd down reciever. If an injury-well you know. At present, he has little value to put into your starting lineup, but I wouldn't be looking to give him up in a trade as a tossin. If you can, keep him on your roster.

 
the crucial thing here is that the bengals have no real receiving threats at TE. perry will get the RB outlet/screens + a good number of targets that would go the TE in the short/intermediate passing on teams that had a solid threat there.

 
Minor news, but still of some interest because it shows how hard the team is working to get Perry worked into the passing game (beyond short outlets and dumpoffs IMO):

"OVERTIME: It's not uncommon for players to stay after practice to get in extra work. But quarterback Carson Palmer and running back Chris Perry stayed more than 20 minutes after practice ended Thursday afternoon to work on pass routes."

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...160423/1066/SPT

 
Perry looked excellent today. Too bad his 83 yd receiving TD got nullified or he would have had 160 total yds and a TD. Not bad for a third down back. :P

 
I don't know if we necessarily have a No. 3 receiver right now," Bengals coach Marvin Lewis told the Cincinnati Enquirer. "We use the other receivers depending on the personnel grouping and who's up in a lot of different ways." Lewis added that right now he considers running back Chris Perry the team's third receiver.

 
I am going to bite the bullet and start him during DD's bye week.

 
I don't know if we necessarily have a No. 3 receiver right now," Bengals coach Marvin Lewis told the Cincinnati Enquirer. "We use the other receivers depending on the personnel grouping and who's up in a lot of different ways." Lewis added that right now he considers running back Chris Perry the team's third receiver.
:thumbup: perry will get WR3 type numbers in PPR leagues, 7-10 pts a game.

 
I don't know if we necessarily have a No. 3 receiver right now," Bengals coach Marvin Lewis told the Cincinnati Enquirer. "We use the other receivers depending on the personnel grouping and who's up in a lot of different ways." Lewis added that right now he considers running back Chris Perry the team's third receiver.
:thumbup: perry will get WR3 type numbers in PPR leagues, 7-10 pts a game.
I think he's a very nice sleeper pick this week if you're really stuck at RB because of byes. :yes:
 
He's on pace for 70 recptions

:crow:

Maybe!

:D
BSS, if cincy had a solid TE, or nice possession WR at WR3, i think your analysis would have been right on, but the combo of them lacking a true security blanket type on 3rd down for palmer and perry's excellent skills is going to create an absurd amount of receptions for him.
 
The world is slowly waking up to the fact that Perry will be a decent FF contributor this year even behind Rudi, with potential top 10 upside if Rudi goes down.As folks have said, lack of a true WR3 or TE means Perry fills a large role as a receiver.Some other key factors include:The fact that Cinci's offense looks much better than in past years and will have many more offensive scoring opportunitiesKenny Watson is out for the yearPalmer and Perry seem to be developing a chemistry well beyond what you would see regarding a simple third down back.Finally, I will throw in some observations from watching the games: Perry has extraordinary open field moves and an unusually good ability to stop on a dime and change direction. He uses those skills to make the first tackler miss almost every time. Plus he has serious speed (that 86 yard TD that was called back was pretty damn impressive). In the preseason, Perry was still bouncing back from his long offseason recovery from surgery. He is only going to get better as he gets into full game shape.

 
Interesting if the Bengals work Perry up to a consistent 10 - 12 carries a game and allow him to take all the receptions for RB he will definately be a great guy to statsh on your rosterIF Rudi gets hurt for any reason - your probably looking at a STUD - dare I say FWP type of find ???

 
He's on pace for 70 recptions

:crow:

Maybe!

:D
BSS, if cincy had a solid TE, or nice possession WR at WR3, i think your analysis would have been right on, but the combo of them lacking a true security blanket type on 3rd down for palmer and perry's excellent skills is going to create an absurd amount of receptions for him.
well, I do own him in a dynasty league. Thought he was a wasted roster spot at this point. Maybe Rudi could be a cap casualty as soon as this off-season
 
FWIW, Perry is RB21 in my league that awards 1pt/2rec. We also award points for return yards, I think he returned kicks in wk1 (?) anyone confirm this? NFL.com/stats shows their return guy as Tab Perry, and I haven't seen any Bengals games and can't confirm if he is returning.Anyway, Perry certainly is turning out to be a decent spot starter in ppr leagues.I can only imagine the buzz if that 80+ yard TD had counted. :)For now though Perry owners can be content sitting on their potential goldmine.

 
I was talked out of starting him in WCOFF satellite (PPR). Difference between he and Lelie was only 4 points, so not a HUGE loss, but definiely keeping my eye on him as things progress with the bye weeks.

 
I just watched the NFL network's truncated highlights of the Cinci game. What struck me is that over 10 minutes of highlights, there was not one highlight of Rudy, while Perry had 3 or 4. Also, Perry was on the field for just about all of the Bengal's big plays. Perry does look to have an excellent moves/speed combination that Rudy lacks. If this keeps up, I wonder if the Bengals will wonder why they keep giving the majority of the carries to the lesser talented back?

 
I just watched the NFL network's truncated highlights of the Cinci game. What struck me is that over 10 minutes of highlights, there was not one highlight of Rudy, while Perry had 3 or 4. Also, Perry was on the field for just about all of the Bengal's big plays. Perry does look to have an excellent moves/speed combination that Rudy lacks. If this keeps up, I wonder if the Bengals will wonder why they keep giving the majority of the carries to the lesser talented back?
While I was watching the game, Perry scared me more than Rudi did. I was really impressed with him.
 
I kind of like the comparison in regards to their situations (getting drafted in the first round and not playing the first year, left relatively forgotten by many the year after). But, I can see it turning closer into Priest/LJ "this year," considering the playing time and production that Perry is starting to command. :thumbup:

 
I always try to check the "Michigan fan" in me at the door when I offer comments here in the Shark Pool, but I've been a big believer in both Chris Perry and Braylon Edwards for a while now.Here's to hoping both players break that U of M stigma that so many people seem obsessed with. You know the line.."Michigan RBs are always busts in the NFL..""Braylon Edwards is just like David Terrell, Desmond Howard, etc"Chris Perry is a man's man. It was very unfortunate he had that nasty sports hernia last year. It could've been a situation where his body was so beaten down from his last year at Michigan that he literally needed a down year to recoup. The dude had like 50+ carries in one game. Bengal fans will be happy with Perry for a long time as long as he stays healthy. He's a heckuva player with seemingly all the skill sets needed to eventually ascend into the upper echelon of fantasy backs. Unfortunately, Rudi is a tough SOB himself and unless he gets hurt, then Perry will be held back and not reach his true potential. Marvin Lewis has to be smiling ear to ear having both backs in his arsenal right now.

 
Oh boy, looks like I better jump on the bandwagon. I'd love to have FWP, Caddy, Dom Davis, Taylor, Dillon and Perry (if he turns into a top back) on my team. Hmmm who to drop? Looks like Stokley is the odd man out right now. Sad as he has 15 targets through 2 games, he's the least valuable player I have right now (team in my sig)

 
Great thread. I was going to offer Perry (and a DB) to the Rudy owner in my league for Bettis and a better DB. Must admit I hadn't done much research on Perry at all, after reading this, I'll hold on to him.

 
I always try to check the "Michigan fan" in me at the door when I offer comments here in the Shark Pool, but I've been a big believer in both Chris Perry and Braylon Edwards for a while now.

Here's to hoping both players break that U of M stigma that so many people seem obsessed with. You know the line..

"Michigan RBs are always busts in the NFL.."

"Braylon Edwards is just like David Terrell, Desmond Howard, etc"

Chris Perry is a man's man. It was very unfortunate he had that nasty sports hernia last year. It could've been a situation where his body was so beaten down from his last year at Michigan that he literally needed a down year to recoup. The dude had like 50+ carries in one game.

Bengal fans will be happy with Perry for a long time as long as he stays healthy. He's a heckuva player with seemingly all the skill sets needed to eventually ascend into the upper echelon of fantasy backs. Unfortunately, Rudi is a tough SOB himself and unless he gets hurt, then Perry will be held back and not reach his true potential. Marvin Lewis has to be smiling ear to ear having both backs in his arsenal right now.
:thumbup: Kind of makes you sick to see the Wolverine studs in Ohio.

 
One of the things in the article below really caught my eye. More than 50% of Perry's touches have been on first down. :eek:

Wednesday, September 21, 2005

Perry a double threat

By Kevin Kelly

Enquirer staff writer

About the time he caught the ball and turned upfield, the yellow flag dropped to the ground. Chris Perry refused to break stride.

"I was hoping maybe the defensive back came and punched somebody in the face or something," the Bengals' running back said. "So I just kept on running."

Perry ran past the penalty marker, and accelerated past everyone on an 86-yard sprint that hugged the Vikings sideline and led all the way to the end zone Sunday.

A holding penalty reduced the would-be touchdown to a 10-yard gain, but the catch and run offered further proof that a healthier Perry only adds another dimension to the Bengals offense.

"I try to get out there and take advantage of the opportunities (coaches) give me," Perry said. "So when I get the ball in my hands, I try to do something special with it."

The Bengals envisioned gaining a change-of-pace tailback to starter Rudi Johnson when they selected Perry with their first pick in the 2004 NFL Draft. In four years at Michigan, he accumulated 4,364 all-purpose yards.

"Chris is an explosive athlete," offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski said. "That's why we drafted him No. 1."

A hamstring strain followed by an abdominal strain - later classified as two sports hernias that required offseason surgery - limited him to two regular season games during his rookie year.

Based on the first two games this season, Perry is assuming a role offensively that plays to his versatility and complements Johnson.

"We're able to do some things with him because he's able to learn them," Bratkowski said. "Generally when he makes a mistake he doesn't make the same mistake twice. That's a good quality for a football player.

"So he gets a lot on his plate . . . and it will continue to grow as long as he's able to learn it and be efficient."

Perry saw his most significant action yet in the 37-8 win against the Vikings on Sunday. He rushed nine times for 47 yards, caught four passes for 33 yards and dazzled the sellout crowd with a slashing running style that rendered some Vikings defenders helpless.

That came on the heels of a Week 1 start against the Browns when he rushed five times for 11 yards and caught five passes for 37 yards.

"Well, I am a running back, so I love to run the ball," Perry said. "But also catching (it), too. However I can get the ball, I like that."

At times Sunday the Bengals isolated him in the backfield while Johnson rested on the sideline, lined him up wide as a receiver and mixed him in the lineup in a variety of downs.

Of Perry's 23 touches this season, 12 have come on first down, five on second down, five on third down and one on fourth down.

"The defined role is to get him in the game, and get the football in his hands as much as we can," Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis said. "We can use Chris and his athleticism in every phase, whether it be running the football or catching the ball or blocking."

Hopeful that coaches will continue expanding his role, Perry is focused on making up time lost.

Compounding the disappointment of last season was seeing how other running backs selected around him in the draft were producing.

Steven Jackson (24th overall, Rams), Kevin Jones (30th overall, Lions), Tatum Bell (41st overall, Broncos), Julius Jones (43rd overall, Cowboys) and Greg Jones (55th overall, Jaguars) all saw significant action in their rookie seasons.

Perry had two carries for one yard and three receptions for 33 yards last season.

"You had to follow them," he said. "Since we all went back-to-back-to-back, everybody went in a row, those are the people you compare yourself to."

At his lowest point emotionally, around October last year, Perry made a self-discovery.

"You find out how much you love the game when you're not able to play it for a very long time," he said. "I think it humbles you, to a certain extent."

He hopes the Perry-Johnson tandem will someday be regarded as one of the NFL's finest, and says the present arrangement works for him as long as the Bengals are winning.

"I think every back in the NFL can be an every-down back," Perry said. "It just happens to be that this is the situation I'm in now. Rudi is doing a great job and we're winning. So there's nothing really disappointing about it right now."

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...ate=printpicart

 
OK, fine I'll ask it. When is Chris Perry going to be splitting carries with Rudi. And then, when is he going to overtake him completely. Just asking.

 

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