*** Chris Simms thread *** (1 Viewer)

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I thought Simms' pocket presence was pretty Rob Johnson-esque today

 

[SharkBait]

Bucs need to pickup Major Applewhite.

That's my real beef with Simms (and his Daddy) and the UT organization. They absolutely ****ed this poor kid so that ****head could groom for the NFL. I root against Simms every chance I get.

 

[shahekee]

I'm already kicking myself for not grabbing him last week, because I'm 8th in the waiver order and I know I won't be able to get him next week.

I'd say chances are around 50/50, because today was that bad.

 

[Aaronur]

What the TB defense did had no bearing on Simms production.  I'll give him credit for, umm, 3 nice throws.  That's it.  Galloway caught a 6 yard pass and went 72 more.  Simms bounced about 7 throws at the feet of receivers.  Worse, he has no pocket presence.  Sack after sack after sack after fumble after....

Galloway had 8 for 149 and the TD. That's 7 for 71 w/o the 78 yarder. I don't care if Elmer Fudd is the QB as long as he can get the ball to Joey. Remember this is FF so it doesn't matter if the players are good NFL players only if they are good FF players. I am not saying Simms is a good FF player but he seems to be adequate if you are a Galloway owner.

Acctually this is NFL talk, so it does matter, but yes Galloway is playing lights out this year no matter how bad the player throwing the ball to him is.

 

[Capella]

I watched the game. Forget the stats - Simms played horribly. Allowed himself to get sacked - not because of a dominating defensive pass rush - but because he held onto the ball too long too often. Many, many very poorly thrown balls where the WRs were diving or sliding to get down to the ball. Many passes were "one-hoppers". Ugly. He didn't look like he knew how to move in the pocket, or scramble and slide correctly, or find a passing lane, . . . etc. Many times he was dumping off the pass on 3rd down situations - shows up on the stats as a completion and yards, but not pro-caliber decisions to get 1st downs and continue the drive. I could go on and on. If anyone wants to compare his stats with other QBs who had a bad day - well, good luck with that.

Remember Simms was coming off a bye week to prepare. Ugh. Horrible.

He was absolutely horrible. Don't try and defend his performance Gargolyz, it was one of the worst quarterbacking efforts that I've seen for the Bucs in a long time.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I thought Simms' pocket presence was pretty Rob Johnson-esque today

 

[Babu Bhatt]

Yes, even when its the 49ers, if they can put 9 in the box without fear of getting burned, the running backs will have a bad day.As a side note, think the Bucs wish they had Simeon Rice for this game??

 

[Capella]

As a side note, think the Bucs wish they had Simeon Rice for this game??

Why? The defense gave up 200 yards total. What more could they have done?

 

[Babu Bhatt]

As a side note, think the Bucs wish they had Simeon Rice for this game??

Why? The defense gave up 200 yards total. What more could they have done?

Put a hit on Dorsey and cause a fumble??? It might not have mattered, but you never know.

 

[Sol D]

Simms was brutal. Lucky/great play by Galloway, or else he gets squat. He is good at taking sacks though..

I'm saying TB did not run all over SF as many were predicting. Don't really have any interest in how Simms does. These days it is so hard to predict accurately how any NFL game will playout.

 

[gbill2004]

So the question is, does Simms keep the starting job, or does he lose it to Rattay?

 

[Capella]

As a side note, think the Bucs wish they had Simeon Rice for this game??

Why? The defense gave up 200 yards total. What more could they have done?

Put a hit on Dorsey and cause a fumble??? It might not have mattered, but you never know.

Niners weren't giving the Bucs time to get to the QB. Quick hit passes, Rice would've been a non-factor. Same exact gameplan the Jets had. Nothing downfield, run the ball, don't make mistakes, don't let the defense get going. Pretty simple game sometimes.

 

[Babu Bhatt]

So the question is, does Simms keep the starting job, or does he lose it to Rattay?

McCown next week I predict. McCown showed some signs last year, and he knows the offense better than Rattay.

 

[JohnHenry]

I thought Simms' pocket presence was pretty Rob Johnson-esque today

 

[gbill2004]

So the question is, does Simms keep the starting job, or does he lose it to Rattay?

McCown next week I predict. McCown showed some signs last year, and he knows the offense better than Rattay.

Do you mean Simms? (you wrote McCown)

 

[Babu Bhatt]

So the question is, does Simms keep the starting job, or does he lose it to Rattay?

McCown next week I predict. McCown showed some signs last year, and he knows the offense better than Rattay.

Do you mean Simms? (you wrote McCown)

I mean McCown.

 

[gbill2004]

So the question is, does Simms keep the starting job, or does he lose it to Rattay?

McCown next week I predict. McCown showed some signs last year, and he knows the offense better than Rattay.

Do you mean Simms? (you wrote McCown)

I mean McCown.

Well, we're talking about Simms, so how does McCown fit into this thread?

 

[GhostOfAnAlias]

I'm already kicking myself for not grabbing him last week, because I'm 8th in the waiver order and I know I won't be able to get him next week. 

I'd say chances are around 50/50, because today was that bad.

His statline will be skewed in my league because we have big bonuses for long TD passes.Also, we don't subtract points for "getting sacked" and "horrible decision making".

 

[Babu Bhatt]

So the question is, does Simms keep the starting job, or does he lose it to Rattay?

McCown next week I predict. McCown showed some signs last year, and he knows the offense better than Rattay.

Do you mean Simms? (you wrote McCown)

I mean McCown.

Well, we're talking about Simms, so how does McCown fit into this thread?

The guy asked if Simms would lose the job next week to Rattay. I said McCown will have the job next week. See how that fits??

 

[shadyridr]

So the question is, does Simms keep the starting job, or does he lose it to Rattay?

McCown next week I predict. McCown showed some signs last year, and he knows the offense better than Rattay.

Do you mean Simms? (you wrote McCown)

I mean McCown.

Well, we're talking about Simms, so how does McCown fit into this thread?

Luke McCown genius

 

[gbill2004]

So the question is, does Simms keep the starting job, or does he lose it to Rattay?

McCown next week I predict. McCown showed some signs last year, and he knows the offense better than Rattay.

Do you mean Simms? (you wrote McCown)

I mean McCown.

Well, we're talking about Simms, so how does McCown fit into this thread?

The guy asked if Simms would lose the job next week to Rattay. I said McCown will have the job next week. See how that fits??

Nope. Simms and Rattay play for TB, and McCown plays for ARI. I don't see any relation.

 

[yankobb]

Yes, even when its the 49ers, if they can put 9 in the box without fear of getting burned, the running backs will have a bad day.

I don't know I didn't see the game but I take it you did so I'll take your word that they stacked 9 in the box. Given that he still threw for 264 yards and completed 61% of his passes while getting sacked 5 times so I'm guessing he also didn't have the best protection in the world. I see some want to also just credit the receiver on his TD throw so I'm guessing the rest of his yards came at the heels of his WRs "after the catch" abilities also?

 

[Babu Bhatt]

So the question is, does Simms keep the starting job, or does he lose it to Rattay?

McCown next week I predict. McCown showed some signs last year, and he knows the offense better than Rattay.

Do you mean Simms? (you wrote McCown)

I mean McCown.

Well, we're talking about Simms, so how does McCown fit into this thread?

The guy asked if Simms would lose the job next week to Rattay. I said McCown will have the job next week. See how that fits??

Nope. Simms and Rattay play for TB, and McCown plays for ARI. I don't see any relation.

Not that McCown. The other one.

 

[Babu Bhatt]

Caddy really burned up the track today huh?

No ####. What skill did he show today? Nada. Same with Pittman. Personally, I blame Simms for this as well.

Yes, even when its the 49ers, if they can put 9 in the box without fear of getting burned, the running backs will have a bad day.

I don't know I didn't see the game but I take it you did so I'll take your word that they stacked 9 in the box. Given that he still threw for 264 yards and completed 61% of his passes while getting sacked 5 times so I'm guessing he also didn't have the best protection in the world. I see some want to also just credit the receiver on his TD throw so I'm guessing the rest of his yards came at the heels of his WRs "after the catch" abilities also?

His sacks were his fault. He had no sense of when to get rid of the ball, he stepped up into rushers, he just had no idea what he was doing. He wasn't under pressure that much, he just was indecisive.The long TD was all Galloway's doing. You will see the catch on highlights at some point.

So, minus the long TD he threw for 180 yards against the worst defense in the league. He was really bad.

 

[Onions]

I watched the game. Forget the stats - Simms played horribly. Allowed himself to get sacked - not because of a dominating defensive pass rush - but because he held onto the ball too long too often. Many, many very poorly thrown balls where the WRs were diving or sliding to get down to the ball. Many passes were "one-hoppers". Ugly. He didn't look like he knew how to move in the pocket, or scramble and slide correctly, or find a passing lane,  . . . etc. Many times he was dumping off the pass on 3rd down situations - shows up on the stats as a completion and yards, but not pro-caliber decisions to get 1st downs and continue the drive. I could go on and on. If anyone wants to compare his stats with other QBs who had a bad day - well, good luck with that.

Remember Simms was coming off a bye week to prepare. Ugh. Horrible.

Great assessment of Simms and his HORRIBLE performance. Watched the entire game, and despite what appear to be decent numbers, the guy looked terrible.

Simply put, Simms is not a good QB. If he weren't Phil Simms' son, there's a good chance that he'd be the guy bagging my groceries at the local supermarket.

 

[mike11162]

If Simms plays as bad as he did today, he won't have the job for long. He was repeatedly short-hopping passes to his receivers that were short passes to begin with (read: <10 yards). Then taking sacks late in the game almost any experienced QB would have thrown the ball away on. The whole team, particularly the offense, obviously wasn't prepared to play today. The playcalling was also bad, particularly the running plays, but Simms stood out by far as the worst player on the field today.

 

[Onions]

There is no upside for Simms.Only downside, but there is a considerable amount of downside.

 

[el-gato-grande]

You can tell in this thread who actually watched the game vs. just looking at the stat line.The Bucs situation is a mess. I don't expect McCown to be any more effective than Simms. Rattay is capable and IMHO very underated during his stint with the 49ers. But, he is probably a couple of weeks away from starting while he learns the terminology and formations. And it looks like Caddy isn't 100%.I fear the season may be lost before Rattay rides in on his horse to save the day.

 

[Babu Bhatt]

You can tell in this thread who actually watched the game vs. just looking at the stat line.

The Bucs situation is a mess. I don't expect McCown to be any more effective than Simms. Rattay is capable and IMHO very underated during his stint with the 49ers. But, he is probably a couple of weeks away from starting while he learns the terminology and formations. And it looks like Caddy isn't 100%.

I fear the season may be lost before Rattay rides in on his horse to save the day.

Don't decide on McCown until he gets a chance. He could surprise.

 

[Capella]

You can tell in this thread who actually watched the game vs. just looking at the stat line.

The Bucs situation is a mess.  I don't expect McCown to be any more effective than Simms.  Rattay is capable and IMHO very underated during his stint with the 49ers.  But, he is probably a couple of weeks away from starting while he learns the terminology and formations.  And it looks like Caddy isn't 100%.

I fear the season may be lost before Rattay rides in on his horse to save the day. 

Don't decide on McCown until he gets a chance. He could surprise.

I highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt McCown gets a chance to start this year. In fact, I'd be stunned.

 

[Babu Bhatt]

You can tell in this thread who actually watched the game vs. just looking at the stat line.

The Bucs situation is a mess.  I don't expect McCown to be any more effective than Simms.  Rattay is capable and IMHO very underated during his stint with the 49ers.  But, he is probably a couple of weeks away from starting while he learns the terminology and formations.  And it looks like Caddy isn't 100%.

I fear the season may be lost before Rattay rides in on his horse to save the day. 

Don't decide on McCown until he gets a chance. He could surprise.

I highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt McCown gets a chance to start this year. In fact, I'd be stunned.

Why?? He can't be worse than Simms. And he knows the offense better than Rattay.

 

[Capella]

You can tell in this thread who actually watched the game vs. just looking at the stat line.

The Bucs situation is a mess.  I don't expect McCown to be any more effective than Simms.  Rattay is capable and IMHO very underated during his stint with the 49ers.  But, he is probably a couple of weeks away from starting while he learns the terminology and formations.  And it looks like Caddy isn't 100%.

I fear the season may be lost before Rattay rides in on his horse to save the day. 

Don't decide on McCown until he gets a chance. He could surprise.

I highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt McCown gets a chance to start this year. In fact, I'd be stunned.

Why?? He can't be worse than Simms. And he knows the offense better than Rattay.

Oh, he can be worse than Simms. He hasn't been in the offense as long, and probably isn't as talented.

 

[Onions]

You can tell in this thread who actually watched the game vs. just looking at the stat line.

The Bucs situation is a mess.  I don't expect McCown to be any more effective than Simms.  Rattay is capable and IMHO very underated during his stint with the 49ers.  But, he is probably a couple of weeks away from starting while he learns the terminology and formations.  And it looks like Caddy isn't 100%.

I fear the season may be lost before Rattay rides in on his horse to save the day. 

Don't decide on McCown until he gets a chance. He could surprise.

Are you talking about Luke or Josh?

 

[Babu Bhatt]

You can tell in this thread who actually watched the game vs. just looking at the stat line.

The Bucs situation is a mess.  I don't expect McCown to be any more effective than Simms.  Rattay is capable and IMHO very underated during his stint with the 49ers.  But, he is probably a couple of weeks away from starting while he learns the terminology and formations.  And it looks like Caddy isn't 100%.

I fear the season may be lost before Rattay rides in on his horse to save the day. 

Don't decide on McCown until he gets a chance. He could surprise.

I highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt McCown gets a chance to start this year. In fact, I'd be stunned.

Why?? He can't be worse than Simms. And he knows the offense better than Rattay.

Oh, he can be worse than Simms. He hasn't been in the offense as long, and probably isn't as talented.

He has to be a better decision maker. Simms has a strong arm and the right build, but has no ides when to throw it or who to throw it to. I'd take a less talented guy with a better dicision making skills any day.

 

[pinequick]

Oh, he can be worse than Simms. He hasn't been in the offense as long, and probably isn't as talented.

Yes, talent and great NFL bloodlines have certainly helped Chris Simms acheive.Physical tools don't mean squat if you don't have the intangibles--and Simms has *never* proved that he has had those. He could whip the hell out of Missouri and Okie State, but just couldn't get it together in the big games.

 

[Capella]

He has to be a better decision maker.

Why? Just because Simms is a bad one doesn't mean McCown is any better.

 

[Babu Bhatt]

He has to be a better decision maker. 

Why? Just because Simms is a bad one doesn't mean McCown is any better.

The probabilities state that McCown almost has to be better than Simms in this regard.The list of worse dicision makers than Simms is short. Heath Shuler?? Maybe. Ryan Leaf?? Possibly, but even Leaf might be better than Simms.

 

[prosopis]

So the question is, does Simms keep the starting job, or does he lose it to Rattay?

McCown next week I predict. McCown showed some signs last year, and he knows the offense better than Rattay.

Do you mean Simms? (you wrote McCown)

I mean McCown.

Well, we're talking about Simms, so how does McCown fit into this thread?

The guy asked if Simms would lose the job next week to Rattay. I said McCown will have the job next week. See how that fits??

Nope. Simms and Rattay play for TB, and McCown plays for ARI. I don't see any relation.

5 digiter

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

He has to be a better decision maker. 

Why? Just because Simms is a bad one doesn't mean McCown is any better.

The probabilities state that McCown almost has to be better than Simms in this regard.

The probabilities have told me no such thing - I think the probabilities are just messin with ya.Look, actions speak louder than words. And in Grudens case the actions seem to match the words. When Griese was injured Gruden said he was more interested in a quarterback who could play, not one that knows the system. He then rushed out and got a real QB faster than I pick up fantasy players. You're right that we haven't seen McCown - but Gruden has. I don't have any inside info, but based on Grudens words and actions and access to evaluate his QBs, I think probability favors Rattay.

 

[EdwardCat]

He has to be a better decision maker.

Why? Just because Simms is a bad one doesn't mean McCown is any better.

Personally, I enjoy wild rice sausage... I've tried some of those Emeril sausages and wasn't very impressed.

 

[Babu Bhatt]

He has to be a better decision maker. 

Why? Just because Simms is a bad one doesn't mean McCown is any better.

The probabilities state that McCown almost has to be better than Simms in this regard.

The probabilities have told me no such thing - I think the probabilities are just messin with ya.Look, actions speak louder than words. And in Grudens case the actions seem to match the words. When Griese was injured Gruden said he was more interested in a quarterback who could play, not one that knows the system. He then rushed out and got a real QB faster than I pick up fantasy players. You're right that we haven't seen McCown - but Gruden has. I don't have any inside info, but based on Grudens words and actions and access to evaluate his QBs, I think probability favors Rattay.

you may have a point there. I know personally, once I had decided Simms was worthless, I would go with the guy who knew the offense better. That is McCown.

 

[el-gato-grande]

There is one other possibility that we haven't thought of. What if Gruden cuts down the play book and puts Rattay out there earlier with a simplified offense? Its not like it is unprecedented. Ben Roethlisberger stepped in for Tommy Maddox last year and ran the team without knowing the entire playbook.

 

[Gargoylez]

that guy doesn't belong in the NFL

I rarely do this, but I just wanted to send a nice #### to a few people.Simms had a great game and he won the friggen game for them.

But he doesn't belong in the NFL... in his 3rd NFL start.

Go back to playing Yahoo leagues and watching High SChool football. It is more your speed.

 

[GhostOfAnAlias]

This was a fun thread.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

that guy doesn't belong in the NFL

I rarely do this, but I just wanted to send a nice #### to a few people.Simms had a great game and he won the friggen game for them.

But he doesn't belong in the NFL... in his 3rd NFL start.

Go back to playing Yahoo leagues and watching High SChool football. It is more your speed.

Your priceless.

 

[Capella]

 

[Routilla]

Simms looked pretty good today. No sacks and no ints. As a Galloway owner I am pleased with Simms' performance over the last several weeks.

 

[prosopis]

I am glad he is on my bench.

 

[Bailiver]

I'm glad to see the kid have a good game, maybe he can build on this and have a solid career.

 

[Buckna]

Was short on options in one Dynasty league and started Simms as my BYE week fill-in for Brees. VERY happy with the results!!! Hope he keeps it up, Griese was a disappoint from a FF standpoint this season.