Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Chris Wells (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Big John2
- Start date
Disc Shark
Footballguy
I noticed that ranking today, and I thought it was very low. I am concerned about the knee injury, since the information coming out of Arizona seems evasive. What is a "swollen knee"? That's not a diagnosis. I would think they should have a much better idea of the nature of the injury than "swollen knee". The FB ranking has me worried that the injury is more serious than the team is letting on. If he's only out a week or two, I would think he'd be ranked much higher than #51 going forward. He's performed well this year when healthy. Perhaps the series of injuries (hamstring and now the knee) is the reason for the lower rank.
I always find it difficult to peddle injured players for fair value.
I always find it difficult to peddle injured players for fair value.
glong989
Footballguy
It's also worth noting that when he is hampered by injuries he doesn't play nearly as well during his NFL career. He could play injured it seems in college and produce at a high level but hasn't been able to do that in the NFL thus far. I know he had 3 TDs after missing a game earlier this season but that is the exception so far. Hopefully he can prove some critics wrong by playing through this injury and still being productive from here on out, but I honestly don't have a lot of confidence that he can do that consistently like he was for the first 4-5 games minus the one he missed early in the year.
Last edited by a moderator:
Dought Man
Footballguy
#51 RB..I imagine this is a mistake? Even if he didn't play the rest of the season, he'd probably finish higher than that.
Yeah but the list is going forward from this point on, isn't it?
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
This ranking was based on him being out a while. It will be revised way up if he is good to go this week. The way those ranking are calculated is probably over punitive to players who are going to miss a few games.
Yeah, but there is still not 50 other RB's out there above him. You can keep him out of the top 20 due to injury concerns, but come on. At #51 that is nearly waiver-wire material.
The Jerk
Footballguy
The #51 ranking seems to be based on Wells missing 3-4 games and not returning to full health the rest of the season.
If Wells gets back for Week 9 and has a decent week, he will almost certainly be in the top 20 and possibly in the top 15 RBs when the next Top 250 is published.
Although Wells has a bad reputation for getting hurt, any player can get hurt any week. The bigger concern I have is the suggestion that Wells does not play well at 85%.
At fantasypros.com, the rest of season RB ratings show that the range for Wells among "experts" is as high as 12 and as low as 51 (ding ding ding), with the consensus rank (which I suppose is the mean) placing Wells at #18.
If Wells gets back for Week 9 and has a decent week, he will almost certainly be in the top 20 and possibly in the top 15 RBs when the next Top 250 is published.
Although Wells has a bad reputation for getting hurt, any player can get hurt any week. The bigger concern I have is the suggestion that Wells does not play well at 85%.
At fantasypros.com, the rest of season RB ratings show that the range for Wells among "experts" is as high as 12 and as low as 51 (ding ding ding), with the consensus rank (which I suppose is the mean) placing Wells at #18.
Last edited by a moderator:
FavreCo
Footballguy
No kidding. It appears Whisenhunt still thinks Kurt Warner is at QB.
he can hardly walk let alone run. he was playing on one leg. wish he woulda sat out.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Me too, cuz then I would've had no choice but to start McGahee... Anywho, 3 consecutive road games on deck for Beanie, & after his performance today, I'm wondering how comfortable others are w/ using him going forward.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Owners were getting borderline hostile at the start of the season wanting folks to proclaim Wells a top5 guy, he is so inconsistent and always has a "Q" next to his name on the IR weekly.
Keith1
Footballguy
But for Footballguys glowing write-up of his performance against the Ravens (pretty sure the word "fantastic" was used), I would not have traded brandon lloyd for him last week. I gotta stop believing everything I read.........
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed - not sure why they didn't rest him for a week to give him two full weeks to heal.
greggorymac
Footballguy
What are your thoughts on Beanie in week 10? RBs have had good games against PHI but Wells is playing hurt and Skelton is starting and won't be able to move the ball against the secondary. Would you Bench him for options like Helu?
dontknowaboutme
Footballguy
Alfonso Smith should be picked up...Wells is obviously experiencing difficult running with his knee injury.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Last edited by a moderator:
Shutout
Footballguy
If it is ppr, I sure would. Helu is going to get a lot of short passes.Overall on Beanie, the HC said he is NOT planning to sit him and let him rest (saying that it is the NFL and lots of guys are banged up this time of year). Yes, he is frustrating with the Questionable tags and yes he seems to blow up when you think he won't and then be subpar when you think he will excel but to be honest, most of that is our own faults as we listen to "experts" spit out easy/lazy forecasts. Some one see they play the rams, cites the rams are "terrible" and then assumes he will blow up; especially after playing the mighty Ravens so well. But they don't account for all the other things and then we all pile on and fulfill our own prophecy.But when you look at it logically (and I'm not saying I did...I went with the sheep all year with this guy), its not as simple to just say he's not that good, etc. He HAS truly shown that he can be a productive Rb and FF RB this year. And he has done it playing on an average team that is still trying to teach their QB their system. And last week, they didn't even have their QB. We can go on and on but I don't thin the truth is so simple as to just give up on him. Its more in the middle and, for now, I see a hurt player on a hurt team and I'm thinking I will sit him if I can justify a better option but I still think he can be an asset in dynasty leagues. Overall, there are a handful of super stud RBs, but no more than 5-6 have been healthy all year. Mcfadden has missed time. So has foster, Bradshaw, Hillis, Best, SJAX, etc. This really has been a year of attrition at a lot of positions. Its probably not fair to think these guys are injury prone or can't be effective.
dollar demons
Footballguy
Dropping Beanie for Tate. May seem extreme but he is dealing with two injuries now. He seems to be tapped out. Playing behind a backup QB doesn't help plus Tate is most likely the better play going forward.
I don't know your league or how it's setup, but why can't you pick up Tate for someone else?
packersfan
Footballguy
That was my thought too. Is Beanie really the worst player on your roster? If he is, your team must be stacked considering how good Beanie has been.I think we learn a lot about Beanie this week. The Eagles have had trouble with the run most of the season. If Beanie has another Rams' game it might be time to stick a fork in him or at least put him on the bench for the foreseeable future.
He's getting close to having no value in redraft IMO. It doesn't seem like he will be playing close to healthy at any point this year and his team is out of contention so there may be no incentive to play him during the fantasy playoffs if he's still hurt. You can't trade him and you can't start him. The risk of him 'blowing up' on your bench is minimal.
A lot can change, and week 15 vs the Browns is enough to hold him on your roster-- especially since you don't want to drop him, have him feel healthier a month from now, and your opponent in the semi-finals start him against you.
dollar demons
Footballguy
We can carry 4 RBs and only have to start one but can play as many as 3. My backs are Rice, Murray, Michael Bush and now Tate. I see no further upside with Beanie and Tate offers much more for various reasons.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
How can a RB ranked just outside the top 12 overall have no value? He's one week removed from 80+ yards and a TD against Baltimore. Simply because you benched him when he had a nice game against a "tough matchup," and then started him when he had a bad game in a "nice matchup" doesn't mean he has no value.
dollar demons
Footballguy
I played Rice, Murray and Bush all ahead of Beanie in week nine. If I had no confidence starting him against the Rams at home then when would I. That is all I needed to decide it was time to drop him. I may be wrong. JMHO
packersfan
Footballguy
I'd still be surprised if Beanie was the worst player on your roster. At the very least his fantasy value will likely be higher than Bush's once McFadden returns. Not trying to tell you how to manage your team
but I am surprised that you'd want to drop someone who's been a Top 10 RB when healthy this season and is only one week removed from a strong game against a great defense. Perhaps you're being proactive. Time will tell. But I need to see Beanie fail more than once for me to push the panic button considering how good he's been this season.
habsfan
Footballguy
Even as "damaged goods" Beanie still has more potential value to me than anyone available on the WW in my league.I'd still be surprised if Beanie was the worst player on your roster. At the very least his fantasy value will likely be higher than Bush's once McFadden returns. Not trying to tell you how to manage your team
greggorymac
Footballguy
Anybody think he gets into the end zone this week at PHI?
dollar demons
Footballguy
I'm not saying he has no value but he is clearly not right. Based on his past history and current status I would rather not deal with the headache week to week. I will gladly let someone else deal with it. Tate has much more upside especially playing weaker teams. Houston should clinch early and their week 15 and 16 playoff schedule (CAR and INDY) looks good. It may not play out this way but I am willing to take that chance.
packersfan
Footballguy
I think the only way Tate has more upside is if Beanie goes on the shelf and/or Foster gets hurt. Otherwise, you're hoping for 100-yard games out of a backup RB. While Tate has done that recently that's still a pretty lofty proposition.
We'll see what happens.
We'll see what happens.
I didn't start him last week.....but anyway, I was probably overexaggerating. You get what I mean though - the window to trade him has gone and you can't rely on him as your RB2 right now, especially since there are no signs he's getting healthy - if anything, he's getting more dinged up, and this is a guy who needs to be 100% to be productive, given the limitations of the offense and the fact that he's basically a 2 down back. So he's a RB3 right now who you can't start with any confidence that he will finish a game. Even if he's still going during the fantasy playoffs, are you really going to risk putting him in your lineup with everything on the line? I'm certainly not. I thought he was a value pick this year, but I won't be drafting him again. Too much of a headache.'Grahamburn said:'dollar demons said:How can a RB ranked just outside the top 12 overall have no value? He's one week removed from 80+ yards and a TD against Baltimore. Simply because you benched him when he had a nice game against a "tough matchup," and then started him when he had a bad game in a "nice matchup" doesn't mean he has no value.'RushHour said:
dollar demons
Footballguy
I didn't start him last week.....but anyway, I was probably overexaggerating. You get what I mean though - the window to trade him has gone and you can't rely on him as your RB2 right now, especially since there are no signs he's getting healthy - if anything, he's getting more dinged up, and this is a guy who needs to be 100% to be productive, given the limitations of the offense and the fact that he's basically a 2 down back. So he's a RB3 right now who you can't start with any confidence that he will finish a game. Even if he's still going during the fantasy playoffs, are you really going to risk putting him in your lineup with everything on the line? I'm certainly not. I thought he was a value pick this year, but I won't be drafting him again. Too much of a headache.'Grahamburn said:'dollar demons said:How can a RB ranked just outside the top 12 overall have no value? He's one week removed from 80+ yards and a TD against Baltimore. Simply because you benched him when he had a nice game against a "tough matchup," and then started him when he had a bad game in a "nice matchup" doesn't mean he has no value.'RushHour said:
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Can anyone point me in the direction of the uninjured, productive running backs that aren't headaches? I'll wait.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Shady McCoy...Ray Rice.....Foster....ADP....FJax....Forte. Pretty much just the uber studs, that's it
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Exactly.
DoubleG
Footballguy
The first 3 weeks of the season don't count anymore?
Last edited by a moderator:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He missed the first three games and played the last 13. It didn't end his season - although it did effect his production.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Are we all forgetting the start to the season already?
Shutout
Footballguy
Apparently
.But the question and answer make the REAL point in this whole conversation. There are literaly a handful of RBs that have been both healthy and productive all season so all these topics about how frustrated people are about their RBs and how they knew they shoulda dumped them and all is way overscrutinizing their players because this is the norm for almost every back in the league; not the exception.the real issue/trend I am taking from all this is that the game ahs changed and there isn't the depth at the position that used to be there...so people are grumbling about it more. But these days, in my leagues, I tend to horde WRs to combat my RB depth issues because, in my leagues anyways, the scoring rules make it viable where very good (does not have to be elite) WRs are just as good as most of the RBs we are all pulling our hair out over.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
For me, yes. Watching all of Houston's offensive snaps the past 3 games makes it apparent Foster is over the hammy. I'm not gonna live in yesterday, I'm about what he's doing now & what can be expected. The first 3 weeks are in my rearview, why would I care about that in week 10 unless it appears to be a continuing issue???'Dr. Octopus said:
