Chronic Back Pain (1 Viewer)

[Spanky267]

Has your doctor recommended theraputic massage? I have terrible lower back pain due to scoliosis. I do the muscle relaxers and hydrocodone for the major flare ups but the massage did wonders for me. My doctor sets it up in 10 session increments. He has two therapists on his staff. The first few treatments are really painful. But by the time I get to the 9th and 10th treatments I feel terrific. This usually alleviates my pain and I dont have any major flare ups for 6 months to a year afterwards. I'm starting to experience more chronic pain now, mostly attributed to a new job and my awful office chair. But I think another round of massage is in my future.

 

[Bonzai]

For what it's worth, I had it when i was probably 26/27.. about 2 years straight.. tried the inversion tables... no luck.. and i was in better shape and thinner than i am now.

It took years, but i ultimately discovered it was the chair I sat in that hit me in all the wrong ways.

I was playing a decent amount of online poker at home and logging a lot of chair hours. I took a few weeks off online poker after some disgusting hands where I was a 90% favorite and lost, and wasn't using that chair and was instead using my couch.

It took a bit to put 2 and 2 together, but I scrapped the chair, got a new one and haven't looked back to my pain free life.

I had analyzed EVERYTHING.. work posture, exercised the proper muscles... everything short of going to an actual medical doctor/chiropractor/acupuncturist and using prescription narcotics like vicodin I had done.

This was the solution.. it was easy and painless.

Before i did surgery, I'd look into my shoes, my chairs I sit in at work/home, do the proper exercises, and do some reading on ergonomics.

CHAIRS matter!

This was my cause, too. My office chair was one of those chairs that leaned back. But it leaned back no matter what. As soon as I sat in it, it leaned slightly back. And that caused me to lean forward. Once I got rid of that chair, the pain stopped progressively getting worse. But not before I had two herniated disks.

My new job had that same kind of chair and I told them to get bent. They got me a new chair, but I had to use that one while I waited for the new one and I could actually feel the pain start to come back. Chairs make all the difference in the world.

Can't stress it enough. I work for a non-profit, so they don't have the money to throw around on chairs. I went out and got my own and brought it in. Totally worth it.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Has your doctor recommended theraputic massage? I have terrible lower back pain due to scoliosis. I do the muscle relaxers and hydrocodone for the major flare ups but the massage did wonders for me. My doctor sets it up in 10 session increments. He has two therapists on his staff. The first few treatments are really painful. But by the time I get to the 9th and 10th treatments I feel terrific. This usually alleviates my pain and I dont have any major flare ups for 6 months to a year afterwards. I'm starting to experience more chronic pain now, mostly attributed to a new job and my awful office chair. But I think another round of massage is in my future.

Not sure if you were asking me, but I'll reply anyway. I actually get steroid injections into my back. Going tomorrow for another round, actually. They have been working wonders. They also went in and burned the nerves that were causing me pain. And that helped a lot! They hooked me up to a electrical device and ran electrical shocks through my body to determine the nerves. It was crazy because when they'd turn the juice on, my leg would start convulsing on it's own. From there, they stuck huge needles/soldering irons in and burned those nerves dead.

 

[flapgreen]

Physical Therapy

 

[Dragons]

What type of chair do you chair guys recommend?

 

[Dentist]

What type of chair do you chair guys recommend?

it's user dependent.. you have to try out the chair.

that's the thing... people don't really try out their chairs.. they try on shoes, but don't try out their chairs.

once you do pick one, try it for a day or two.. if it causes you pain, you probably should take it back and try again.

The bottom line is that i'd get a "good" chair though .. they make ones that encourage ergonomic sitting.

Having said that... the one i use at work i got at a discount store for $30 and it's great... the chair that caused me the pain was a more expensive chair... but hit me in the wrong spots... but i didn't realize it.

 

[mad sweeney]

Tell your doctor go screw himself. If you're in pain, get pain meds. Work on strengthening and reducing the aggravation, but any quack who tries to tell you that it's better not to risk the possibility of negative effects from painkillers vs the actual certainty of maddening pain needs to have all his fingers continually broken and re broken and then told to tough it out and massage people's corns all day.

 

[Dentist]

Tell your doctor go screw himself. If you're in pain, get pain meds.

Oh.. so when the doctor gets sued or gets his DEA license revoked at some point for causing his addition to pain meds (you realize these are addictive, right?) or his liver starts having problems from too much tylenol (which is in the vicodin/hydrocodone) his defense should be: "hey, he was in pain and he told me to screw myself... so i gave him the pain meds"

Having someone on vicodin full time is a bad decision, and the reason that pill mills get busted all the time.

 

[sports_fan]

Next time you're at the gym do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxEKoXBYzK4

 

[Tau837]

Tell your doctor go screw himself. If you're in pain, get pain meds.

Oh.. so when the doctor gets sued or gets his DEA license revoked at some point for causing his addition to pain meds (you realize these are addictive, right?) or his liver starts having problems from too much tylenol (which is in the vicodin/hydrocodone) his defense should be: "hey, he was in pain and he told me to screw myself... so i gave him the pain meds"

Having someone on vicodin full time is a bad decision, and the reason that pill mills get busted all the time.

This attitude is just as often wrong as the attitude that the only answer is pain meds. This is why it is extremely important to see an actual pain management specialist if you are suffering from serious and sustained chronic pain, rather than depending on a doctor that has a different specialty to manage your pain.

 

[ProBowler88]

Deep tissue massages work wonders, you should look into it if you haven't given it a shot.

 

[Tau837]

Where do you live? My sister did a number on her lower back as a nurse and surgery was most definitely not a cure all. Her injury cost her both her livelihood and her marriage. She got involved in experimental pain management and worked really hard not to use drugs to get by. After researching the effects of climate on injuries like hers, she decided to pick up and leave the northeast- bought a camper and drove out to Sedona, AZ. Her transformation over time has been nothing short of amazing. She eventually got into small theatre and met her new husband. While she still has to work at her fitness/core to maintain, she recently moved to VA and is doing great! Food for thought.

That's another one of the handful of reasons I mentioned moving to California. Based on what is good and not good about our local climate in Virginia Beach, and based on our experience on visits to family in San Diego, we think that climate will make a difference. Gotta find a good job to make the move, though. Working on it.

 

[rascal]

Well, I have three herniated discs in my lower back, so my back always hurts to some degree. I got addicted to hydrocodone and muscle relaxers (popping them every 8 hours), and after going cold turkey after getting confronted from my wife I've forced myself to take 800mg of ibuprofen every 8-10. I've also done more core strength work and that has helped, but it still hurts to some degree every effing minute. But, I'm able to do most things (running and biking are out) and spend time with my boy which is what matters. Today for example, after getting furloughed, thanks congress, I moved 3.5 tons of dirt to level my yard. I maintained a strict posture the entire time and my back isn't bothering more than normal. One thing I've learned, it's all about the posture. I would re-examine everything you do (tying shoes, picking up something off the floor, etc) and start doing some core exercises while redeveloping your posture.

My $.02

 

[glock]

Where do you live? My sister did a number on her lower back as a nurse and surgery was most definitely not a cure all. Her injury cost her both her livelihood and her marriage. She got involved in experimental pain management and worked really hard not to use drugs to get by. After researching the effects of climate on injuries like hers, she decided to pick up and leave the northeast- bought a camper and drove out to Sedona, AZ. Her transformation over time has been nothing short of amazing. She eventually got into small theatre and met her new husband. While she still has to work at her fitness/core to maintain, she recently moved to VA and is doing great! Food for thought.

That's another one of the handful of reasons I mentioned moving to California. Based on what is good and not good about our local climate in Virginia Beach, and based on our experience on visits to family in San Diego, we think that climate will make a difference. Gotta find a good job to make the move, though. Working on it.

Cali is not Sedona, AZ. There is a reason why people think the Red Rocks heal. Because it sure seems that way!

 

[glock]

Well, I have three herniated discs in my lower back, so my back always hurts to some degree. I got addicted to hydrocodone and muscle relaxers (popping them every 8 hours), and after going cold turkey after getting confronted from my wife I've forced myself to take 800mg of ibuprofen every 8-10. I've also done more core strength work and that has helped, but it still hurts to some degree every effing minute. But, I'm able to do most things (running and biking are out) and spend time with my boy which is what matters. Today for example, after getting furloughed, thanks congress, I moved 3.5 tons of dirt to level my yard. I maintained a strict posture the entire time and my back isn't bothering more than normal. One thing I've learned, it's all about the posture. I would re-examine everything you do (tying shoes, picking up something off the floor, etc) and start doing some core exercises while redeveloping your posture.

My $.02

Body mechanics, baby!!

 

[mad sweeney]

Tell your doctor go screw himself. If you're in pain, get pain meds.

Oh.. so when the doctor gets sued or gets his DEA license revoked at some point for causing his addition to pain meds (you realize these are addictive, right?) or his liver starts having problems from too much tylenol (which is in the vicodin/hydrocodone) his defense should be: "hey, he was in pain and he told me to screw myself... so i gave him the pain meds"

Having someone on vicodin full time is a bad decision, and the reason that pill mills get busted all the time.

Gotcha. So patients should suffer so the doctor doesn't have to deal with the possibility of an unlikely worse case scenario. That's so caring. I believe the threshold of Tylenol per day is about 4g. The 10/325 norco he's getting falls well below that threshold if taken up to times or less a day. Plus, you keep monitoring and discussion open between patient and doctor, with annual blood panels and viola! a doctor who's done his job properly and safely and a patient who gets relief from chronic pain. Your idiotic doomsday strawman happens when doctor and/ or patient don't do it the proper way. Like I said, if you have an idiotic doctor, or dentist as it seems, then tell him to screw off and find a doctor who's interested in relieving suffering instead of cowering from their own malpractice.

 

[phrozen]

Today update:

I made it to the office today and it has been absolute hell. I have a couple of Norco left, took one around 10 AM and it did nothing. My back and neck are in awful pain. About to head home from the office and finish out the day. This sucks. I will be demanding a refill of norco to handle this short-term breakthrough pain.

 

[Dentist]

Tell your doctor go screw himself. If you're in pain, get pain meds.

Oh.. so when the doctor gets sued or gets his DEA license revoked at some point for causing his addition to pain meds (you realize these are addictive, right?) or his liver starts having problems from too much tylenol (which is in the vicodin/hydrocodone) his defense should be: "hey, he was in pain and he told me to screw myself... so i gave him the pain meds"

Having someone on vicodin full time is a bad decision, and the reason that pill mills get busted all the time.

Gotcha. So patients should suffer so the doctor doesn't have to deal with the possibility of an unlikely worse case scenario. That's so caring.I believe the threshold of Tylenol per day is about 4g. The 10/325 norco he's getting falls well below that threshold if taken up to times or less a day. Plus, you keep monitoring and discussion open between patient and doctor, with annual blood panels and viola! a doctor who's done his job properly and safely and a patient who gets relief from chronic pain. Your idiotic doomsday strawman happens when doctor and/ or patient don't do it the proper way. Like I said, if you have an idiotic doctor, or dentist as it seems, then tell him to screw off and find a doctor who's interested in relieving suffering instead of cowering from their own malpractice.

I don't deal with chronic back pain my my practices, and there's generally no such thing as chronic tooth pain.

But I tell you what.. my license >>>>>>>> any one or few dozen patients.

You may have attempted to address the problem with the tylenol, but didn't address the addiction component.

Not to mention the problem with "fakers" that make up pain to get pills to then sell on the street... happens a lot... very hard to tell the real pain from the fake pain.

There's a reason narcotics are "controlled" rather than just available over the counter.

Any doc writing near endless supplies of narcotics is on the verge of having a problem with the DEA.. and no one wants governmental problems.

Now.. if you made the argument that there isn't enough being down by the doctor in question in regards to exhausting every possible cause for this man's pain... then that may or may not be true.

Right or wrong though... there's generally not enough juice involved to justify the hours it might take to figure out the multi-factorial causes of his pain.

I'm pretty smart and well-read and it took me 2 years to figure out that the chair was my problem.... I have full faith no medical doctor would have ever probably helped me figure that out.

At any rate... the doctor you want this guy to have doesn't really exist... and if he does, he's probably not going to last in practice long. You just can't keep people on that stuff long term

 

[mad sweeney]

Tell your doctor go screw himself. If you're in pain, get pain meds.

Oh.. so when the doctor gets sued or gets his DEA license revoked at some point for causing his addition to pain meds (you realize these are addictive, right?) or his liver starts having problems from too much tylenol (which is in the vicodin/hydrocodone) his defense should be: "hey, he was in pain and he told me to screw myself... so i gave him the pain meds"

Having someone on vicodin full time is a bad decision, and the reason that pill mills get busted all the time.

Gotcha. So patients should suffer so the doctor doesn't have to deal with the possibility of an unlikely worse case scenario. That's so caring.I believe the threshold of Tylenol per day is about 4g. The 10/325 norco he's getting falls well below that threshold if taken up to times or less a day. Plus, you keep monitoring and discussion open between patient and doctor, with annual blood panels and viola! a doctor who's done his job properly and safely and a patient who gets relief from chronic pain. Your idiotic doomsday strawman happens when doctor and/ or patient don't do it the proper way. Like I said, if you have an idiotic doctor, or dentist as it seems, then tell him to screw off and find a doctor who's interested in relieving suffering instead of cowering from their own malpractice.

I don't deal with chronic back pain my my practices, and there's generally no such thing as chronic tooth pain.

But I tell you what.. my license >>>>>>>> any one or few dozen patients.

You may have attempted to address the problem with the tylenol, but didn't address the addiction component.

Not to mention the problem with "fakers" that make up pain to get pills to then sell on the street... happens a lot... very hard to tell the real pain from the fake pain.

There's a reason narcotics are "controlled" rather than just available over the counter.

Any doc writing near endless supplies of narcotics is on the verge of having a problem with the DEA.. and no one wants governmental problems.

Now.. if you made the argument that there isn't enough being down by the doctor in question in regards to exhausting every possible cause for this man's pain... then that may or may not be true.

Right or wrong though... there's generally not enough juice involved to justify the hours it might take to figure out the multi-factorial causes of his pain.

I'm pretty smart and well-read and it took me 2 years to figure out that the chair was my problem.... I have full faith no medical doctor would have ever probably helped me figure that out.

At any rate... the doctor you want this guy to have doesn't really exist... and if he does, he's probably not going to last in practice long. You just can't keep people on that stuff long term

I'm talking about THIS guy who us in pain, not a faker. And I did cover the addiction when I talked about the patient and the doctor communicating about it. Thus the "control" aspect. It's called pain management and there are absolutely thousands and thousands of responsible practitioners. It's people like you who give pain management a bad name. You have no idea what your talking about and just feed the stigma against it with your uninformed nonsense. I've seen shady guys who've gotten popped by the DEA, and I've seen straight arrow pain managers that care for their patients without running afoul of the law by, get this, being responsible doctors and doing their job properly. They do things like blood panels and random urine tests to make sure that you have the medications in your body (ie not fakers) and monthly appointments with documentation of symptoms. Even chronic pain counseling and support groups. Cowardly quacks like you might be too scared or selfish to actually help patients, but there are responsible practitioners who actually relieve their patients' suffering with zero risk to their practice because they follow the "control" aspect if it. That's why it's controlled in the first place, so that it can be given to people that need it. I'd rather be mildly addicted to painkillers under a responsible dictor's care than in searing pain that makes live unliveable and have to deal with ignorant hacks like you that are too selfish, uninformed and uncaring to help.

And yes I know you're a dentist not a doctor, but your attitude and (lack of) knowledge are typical of the type that make it hard for chronic pain sufferers to get the help they need.

Weird how I've been going to a doctor that does t exist for over ten years...

 

[Limp Ditka]

someone seems.......mad

 

[phrozen]

Tell your doctor go screw himself. If you're in pain, get pain meds.

Oh.. so when the doctor gets sued or gets his DEA license revoked at some point for causing his addition to pain meds (you realize these are addictive, right?) or his liver starts having problems from too much tylenol (which is in the vicodin/hydrocodone) his defense should be: "hey, he was in pain and he told me to screw myself... so i gave him the pain meds"

Having someone on vicodin full time is a bad decision, and the reason that pill mills get busted all the time.

Gotcha. So patients should suffer so the doctor doesn't have to deal with the possibility of an unlikely worse case scenario. That's so caring.I believe the threshold of Tylenol per day is about 4g. The 10/325 norco he's getting falls well below that threshold if taken up to times or less a day. Plus, you keep monitoring and discussion open between patient and doctor, with annual blood panels and viola! a doctor who's done his job properly and safely and a patient who gets relief from chronic pain. Your idiotic doomsday strawman happens when doctor and/ or patient don't do it the proper way. Like I said, if you have an idiotic doctor, or dentist as it seems, then tell him to screw off and find a doctor who's interested in relieving suffering instead of cowering from their own malpractice.

I don't deal with chronic back pain my my practices, and there's generally no such thing as chronic tooth pain.

But I tell you what.. my license >>>>>>>> any one or few dozen patients.

You may have attempted to address the problem with the tylenol, but didn't address the addiction component.

Not to mention the problem with "fakers" that make up pain to get pills to then sell on the street... happens a lot... very hard to tell the real pain from the fake pain.

There's a reason narcotics are "controlled" rather than just available over the counter.

Any doc writing near endless supplies of narcotics is on the verge of having a problem with the DEA.. and no one wants governmental problems.

Now.. if you made the argument that there isn't enough being down by the doctor in question in regards to exhausting every possible cause for this man's pain... then that may or may not be true.

Right or wrong though... there's generally not enough juice involved to justify the hours it might take to figure out the multi-factorial causes of his pain.

I'm pretty smart and well-read and it took me 2 years to figure out that the chair was my problem.... I have full faith no medical doctor would have ever probably helped me figure that out.

At any rate... the doctor you want this guy to have doesn't really exist... and if he does, he's probably not going to last in practice long. You just can't keep people on that stuff long term

I am not looking for long term pain relief I am looking for something short term while the long term gets figured out.

lets put the shoe on the other foot, how would you feel with constant debilitating upper back and neck pain from Sunday evening until now with no relief?

 

[Dentist]

Tell your doctor go screw himself. If you're in pain, get pain meds.

Oh.. so when the doctor gets sued or gets his DEA license revoked at some point for causing his addition to pain meds (you realize these are addictive, right?) or his liver starts having problems from too much tylenol (which is in the vicodin/hydrocodone) his defense should be: "hey, he was in pain and he told me to screw myself... so i gave him the pain meds"

Having someone on vicodin full time is a bad decision, and the reason that pill mills get busted all the time.

Gotcha. So patients should suffer so the doctor doesn't have to deal with the possibility of an unlikely worse case scenario. That's so caring.I believe the threshold of Tylenol per day is about 4g. The 10/325 norco he's getting falls well below that threshold if taken up to times or less a day. Plus, you keep monitoring and discussion open between patient and doctor, with annual blood panels and viola! a doctor who's done his job properly and safely and a patient who gets relief from chronic pain. Your idiotic doomsday strawman happens when doctor and/ or patient don't do it the proper way. Like I said, if you have an idiotic doctor, or dentist as it seems, then tell him to screw off and find a doctor who's interested in relieving suffering instead of cowering from their own malpractice.

I don't deal with chronic back pain my my practices, and there's generally no such thing as chronic tooth pain.

But I tell you what.. my license >>>>>>>> any one or few dozen patients.

You may have attempted to address the problem with the tylenol, but didn't address the addiction component.

Not to mention the problem with "fakers" that make up pain to get pills to then sell on the street... happens a lot... very hard to tell the real pain from the fake pain.

There's a reason narcotics are "controlled" rather than just available over the counter.

Any doc writing near endless supplies of narcotics is on the verge of having a problem with the DEA.. and no one wants governmental problems.

Now.. if you made the argument that there isn't enough being down by the doctor in question in regards to exhausting every possible cause for this man's pain... then that may or may not be true.

Right or wrong though... there's generally not enough juice involved to justify the hours it might take to figure out the multi-factorial causes of his pain.

I'm pretty smart and well-read and it took me 2 years to figure out that the chair was my problem.... I have full faith no medical doctor would have ever probably helped me figure that out.

At any rate... the doctor you want this guy to have doesn't really exist... and if he does, he's probably not going to last in practice long. You just can't keep people on that stuff long term

I'm talking about THIS guy who us in pain, not a faker. And I did cover the addiction when I talked about the patient and the doctor communicating about it. Thus the "control" aspect. It's called pain management and there are absolutely thousands and thousands of responsible practitioners. It's people like you who give pain management a bad name. You have no idea what your talking about and just feed the stigma against it with your uninformed nonsense. I've seen shady guys who've gotten popped by the DEA, and I've seen straight arrow pain managers that care for their patients without running afoul of the law by, get this, being responsible doctors and doing their job properly. They do things like blood panels and random urine tests to make sure that you have the medications in your body (ie not fakers) and monthly appointments with documentation of symptoms. Even chronic pain counseling and support groups. Cowardly quacks like you might be too scared or selfish to actually help patients, but there are responsible practitioners who actually relieve their patients' suffering with zero risk to their practice because they follow the "control" aspect if it. That's why it's controlled in the first place, so that it can be given to people that need it.I'd rather be mildly addicted to painkillers under a responsible dictor's care than in searing pain that makes live unliveable and have to deal with ignorant hacks like you that are too selfish, uninformed and uncaring to help.

And yes I know you're a dentist not a doctor, but your attitude and (lack of) knowledge are typical of the type that make it hard for chronic pain sufferers to get the help they need.

Weird how I've been going to a doctor that does t exist for over ten years...

I'm not a pain management doctor. I deal with pain through procedures, and I'm not a quack whilst I do it. I don't manage pain through medicine, although I liberally write medicine for the procedures I do for post-operative management.

My sisters are both MD's... one is an anesthesiologist who deals in the pain management section of her university hospital.

She routinely sees chronic pain management people and tells me story after story after story about fakers, hacks, and addicts... that's where most of my information comes from.

So few people are willing to go through their detailed program of pain management and diagnosis.... they want an immediate solution via pill.

And I agree that's great in the short term. But it's a poor decision for your health in the long term.

I hear the stories about the pill mills... I see the addicts come to me and fake tooth pain to get their scripts.

I don't doubt the original poster's pain... that's why i made my very candid and honest reply about checking his chair out because i suffered with this (although managed easily with ibuprofen) and found a solution.

If not over-writing meds to treat people is cowardly medicine... then you can go ahead and call me a coward.. that's fine.. because if I were a legit MD that treated pain that's probably the attitude I'd have.

 

[Dentist]

how would you feel with constant debilitating upper back and neck pain from Sunday evening until now with no relief?

Well i'd write my wife some vicodin

 

[James Daulton]

Has anyone mentioned working out?

 

[phrozen]

how would you feel with constant debilitating upper back and neck pain from Sunday evening until now with no relief?

Well i'd write my wife some vicodin

and I appreciate your feedback about the chair. I am looking into this for my home office as well as having a ergonomic assessment done at work.

Do you have knowledge of some of the good brands? Here is one of the healthy back stores I will be going to look at a chair. These things can be crazy expensive so any advice on some moderately priced brands would be awesome.

http://www.healthyback.com/landing-pages/High-back-office-chairs/235

 

[mad sweeney]

Tell your doctor go screw himself. If you're in pain, get pain meds.

Oh.. so when the doctor gets sued or gets his DEA license revoked at some point for causing his addition to pain meds (you realize these are addictive, right?) or his liver starts having problems from too much tylenol (which is in the vicodin/hydrocodone) his defense should be: "hey, he was in pain and he told me to screw myself... so i gave him the pain meds"

Having someone on vicodin full time is a bad decision, and the reason that pill mills get busted all the time.

Gotcha. So patients should suffer so the doctor doesn't have to deal with the possibility of an unlikely worse case scenario. That's so caring.I believe the threshold of Tylenol per day is about 4g. The 10/325 norco he's getting falls well below that threshold if taken up to times or less a day. Plus, you keep monitoring and discussion open between patient and doctor, with annual blood panels and viola! a doctor who's done his job properly and safely and a patient who gets relief from chronic pain. Your idiotic doomsday strawman happens when doctor and/ or patient don't do it the proper way. Like I said, if you have an idiotic doctor, or dentist as it seems, then tell him to screw off and find a doctor who's interested in relieving suffering instead of cowering from their own malpractice.

I don't deal with chronic back pain my my practices, and there's generally no such thing as chronic tooth pain.

But I tell you what.. my license >>>>>>>> any one or few dozen patients.

You may have attempted to address the problem with the tylenol, but didn't address the addiction component.

Not to mention the problem with "fakers" that make up pain to get pills to then sell on the street... happens a lot... very hard to tell the real pain from the fake pain.

There's a reason narcotics are "controlled" rather than just available over the counter.

Any doc writing near endless supplies of narcotics is on the verge of having a problem with the DEA.. and no one wants governmental problems.

Now.. if you made the argument that there isn't enough being down by the doctor in question in regards to exhausting every possible cause for this man's pain... then that may or may not be true.

Right or wrong though... there's generally not enough juice involved to justify the hours it might take to figure out the multi-factorial causes of his pain.

I'm pretty smart and well-read and it took me 2 years to figure out that the chair was my problem.... I have full faith no medical doctor would have ever probably helped me figure that out.

At any rate... the doctor you want this guy to have doesn't really exist... and if he does, he's probably not going to last in practice long. You just can't keep people on that stuff long term

I'm talking about THIS guy who us in pain, not a faker. And I did cover the addiction when I talked about the patient and the doctor communicating about it. Thus the "control" aspect. It's called pain management and there are absolutely thousands and thousands of responsible practitioners. It's people like you who give pain management a bad name. You have no idea what your talking about and just feed the stigma against it with your uninformed nonsense. I've seen shady guys who've gotten popped by the DEA, and I've seen straight arrow pain managers that care for their patients without running afoul of the law by, get this, being responsible doctors and doing their job properly. They do things like blood panels and random urine tests to make sure that you have the medications in your body (ie not fakers) and monthly appointments with documentation of symptoms. Even chronic pain counseling and support groups. Cowardly quacks like you might be too scared or selfish to actually help patients, but there are responsible practitioners who actually relieve their patients' suffering with zero risk to their practice because they follow the "control" aspect if it. That's why it's controlled in the first place, so that it can be given to people that need it.I'd rather be mildly addicted to painkillers under a responsible dictor's care than in searing pain that makes live unliveable and have to deal with ignorant hacks like you that are too selfish, uninformed and uncaring to help.

And yes I know you're a dentist not a doctor, but your attitude and (lack of) knowledge are typical of the type that make it hard for chronic pain sufferers to get the help they need.

Weird how I've been going to a doctor that does t exist for over ten years...

I'm not a pain management doctor. I deal with pain through procedures, and I'm not a quack whilst I do it. I don't manage pain through medicine, although I liberally write medicine for the procedures I do for post-operative management.

My sisters are both MD's... one is an anesthesiologist who deals in the pain management section of her university hospital.

She routinely sees chronic pain management people and tells me story after story after story about fakers, hacks, and addicts... that's where most of my information comes from.

So few people are willing to go through their detailed program of pain management and diagnosis.... they want an immediate solution via pill.

And I agree that's great in the short term. But it's a poor decision for your health in the long term.

I hear the stories about the pill mills... I see the addicts come to me and fake tooth pain to get their scripts.

I don't doubt the original poster's pain... that's why i made my very candid and honest reply about checking his chair out because i suffered with this (although managed easily with ibuprofen) and found a solution.

If not over-writing meds to treat people is cowardly medicine... then you can go ahead and call me a coward.. that's fine.. because if I were a legit MD that treated pain that's probably the attitude I'd have.

Doctors with the attitude you have towards it are just as important to avoid as pill mill types are. You seem to have decided that chronic pain patients shouldn't get constant treatment because there are fakers and pill mills and fakers out there. You're part of the problem and are talking out of serious ignorance. That's why it's controlled, so the doctor and patient can work together and control it. Slackjaws like you, armed with anecdotal, stigmatizing ignorance, make it harder for people who need it (like the OP, who is also the only person I'm talking about) to get treatment because you place the fakers over the needs of legit patients. Long term addiction under the care of a physician is infinitely better than daily, searing pain.

 

[mad sweeney]

how would you feel with constant debilitating upper back and neck pain from Sunday evening until now with no relief?

Well i'd write my wife some vicodin

Oh sure, the DEA certainly doesn't frown on dentists illegally prescribing pain meds for neuro/skeletal issues. Further evidence of your lack of professional morals.

 

[Limp Ditka]

There's no chance this site has ever seen a bigger jagoff than Sweeney.

 

[mad sweeney]

There's no chance this site has ever seen a bigger jagoff than Sweeney.

Of all the crap I've slung around here, this is what brings you back up out of the bottle to go around with me? Dentist is dead wrong, but you just can't cool your loins off enough to resist. Goes along with all your other attempts to attack me when you're completely off in what you think you're slamming me for.

Oh yeah, good one on the "mad" joke. Top notch humor there. Did you think of it yourself or did you have a bunch of gratified herpes monkeys write it for you? How's this: You're limp!!11!1!1!1. Was that a good joke?

 

[jerseyh8r]

This is a very informative video from the BBC re: pain.

The entire doc is well done, but chronic pain is the focus starting at the 44 minute mark.

Wishing you well, phrozen.

 

[Limp Ditka]

There's no chance this site has ever seen a bigger jagoff than Sweeney.

Of all the crap I've slung around here, this is what brings you back up out of the bottle to go around with me? Dentist is dead wrong, but you just can't cool your loins off enough to resist. Goes along with all your other attempts to attack me when you're completely off in what you think you're slamming me for.

Oh yeah, good one on the "mad" joke. Top notch humor there. Did you think of it yourself or did you have a bunch of gratified herpes monkeys write it for you? How's this: You're limp!!11!1!1!1. Was that a good joke?

What's your profession again, Key Grip?

 

[mad sweeney]

There's no chance this site has ever seen a bigger jagoff than Sweeney.

Of all the crap I've slung around here, this is what brings you back up out of the bottle to go around with me? Dentist is dead wrong, but you just can't cool your loins off enough to resist. Goes along with all your other attempts to attack me when you're completely off in what you think you're slamming me for.Oh yeah, good one on the "mad" joke. Top notch humor there. Did you think of it yourself or did you have a bunch of gratified herpes monkeys write it for you? How's this: You're limp!!11!1!1!1. Was that a good joke?

What's your profession again, Key Grip?

No

 

[Limp Ditka]

There's no chance this site has ever seen a bigger jagoff than Sweeney.

Of all the crap I've slung around here, this is what brings you back up out of the bottle to go around with me? Dentist is dead wrong, but you just can't cool your loins off enough to resist. Goes along with all your other attempts to attack me when you're completely off in what you think you're slamming me for.Oh yeah, good one on the "mad" joke. Top notch humor there. Did you think of it yourself or did you have a bunch of gratified herpes monkeys write it for you? How's this: You're limp!!11!1!1!1. Was that a good joke?

What's your profession again, Key Grip?

No

That's good, because you suck and getting a grip.

How about a medical professional? Are you one of those?

 

[Tau837]

Hey, guys, please stop the bull#### in this thread. Take it elsewhere.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Hey, guys, please stop the bull#### in this thread. Take it elsewhere.

Excuse me for confronting the movie set gopher that's talking in absolutes and proclaiming he knows how a doctor should handle his business because he's been a patient before.

 

[mad sweeney]

There's no chance this site has ever seen a bigger jagoff than Sweeney.

Of all the crap I've slung around here, this is what brings you back up out of the bottle to go around with me? Dentist is dead wrong, but you just can't cool your loins off enough to resist. Goes along with all your other attempts to attack me when you're completely off in what you think you're slamming me for.Oh yeah, good one on the "mad" joke. Top notch humor there. Did you think of it yourself or did you have a bunch of gratified herpes monkeys write it for you? How's this: You're limp!!11!1!1!1. Was that a good joke?

What's your profession again, Key Grip?

No

That's good, because you suck and getting a grip.

How about a medical professional? Are you one of those?

If I'm very experienced with pain management and the doctor/patient relationship, but I'm not a doctor, then what do you think that means Sherlock?That's another good one, btw. You're in top form with the clever humor. Must be on the second bottle.

 

[mad sweeney]

Hey, guys, please stop the bull#### in this thread. Take it elsewhere.

Excuse me for confronting the movie set gopher that's talking in absolutes and proclaiming he knows how a doctor should handle his business because he's been a patient before.

Yeah, you're doing the Lord's work nimrod. I'm telling the OP that there are real doctors who do real work with pain mgmt and he doesn't have to settle for lazy doctors like Dentist advocates. He doesn't have to live in pain because one doctor is too scared to do his job properly. I've dealt with chronic pain for over 20 years and I e been to dozens of doctors from all spectrum of quality and legality trying to find relief from spinal injury. I know a #### ton about it because I have a great relationship with my current doctors after having had to struggle through two decades of stigmas and laziness , in unbearable pain, because of the kind of doctor Dentist thinks are best.

Limp Dimwit, the fluffer, just likes to get liquored up and pretend he's doing a service, but he really just has a hardon for me and likes to fap to it and try to tell me that I'm obsessed with him. He can make fun all he wants, but I probably know more about it from the sufferer's side than anyone else here giving advice on it. He's just a little turd who'll probably accuse me of starting this whole argument with him.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Hey, guys, please stop the bull#### in this thread. Take it elsewhere.

Excuse me for confronting the movie set gopher that's talking in absolutes and proclaiming he knows how a doctor should handle his business because he's been a patient before.

Yeah, you're doing the Lord's work nimrod.I'm telling the OP that there are real doctors who do real work with pain mgmt and he doesn't have to settle for lazy doctors like Dentist advocates. He doesn't have to live in pain because one doctor is too scared to do his job properly.

Limp Dimwit just likes to get liquored up and pretend he's doing a service, but he really just has a hardon for me and likes to fap to it and try to tell me that I'm obsessed with him.

And there are a lot of other people here with other good suggestions that don't include medicinals.

Yet you come in here, guns a blazing, yelling about how doctors should go screw themselves because they're aware that there are other solutions and drugs might not be the resolution.

Why is your way the only way to handle it? What's your degree in? What's your experience outside of being achy, taking two and calling in the morning?

And I'm the one that's liquored up? WTMF?

 

[Limp Ditka]

Maybe you're always in pain because you're always angry. It has to be hell having fists and teeth clenched 24/7

 

[mad sweeney]

Maybe you're always in pain because you're always angry. It has to be hell having fists and teeth clenched 24/7

It is hell having my teeth and fists clenched thru 24/7 pain. Think 24+ years of pain might have something to do making someone angry, genius?

 

[flapgreen]

There's no chance this site has ever seen a bigger jagoff than Sweeney.

Seems like a pretty ####ty guy who likes to hurl insults at others to get his point across, yet he has no idea what he's talking about.

 

[flapgreen]

Hey, guys, please stop the bull#### in this thread. Take it elsewhere.

Excuse me for confronting the movie set gopher that's talking in absolutes and proclaiming he knows how a doctor should handle his business because he's been a patient before.

Yeah, you're doing the Lord's work nimrod.I'm telling the OP that there are real doctors who do real work with pain mgmt and he doesn't have to settle for lazy doctors like Dentist advocates. He doesn't have to live in pain because one doctor is too scared to do his job properly. I've dealt with chronic pain for over 20 years and I e been to dozens of doctors from all spectrum of quality and legality trying to find relief from spinal injury. I know a #### ton about it because I have a great relationship with my current doctors after having had to struggle through two decades of stigmas and laziness , in unbearable pain, because of the kind of doctor Dentist thinks are best.

Limp Dimwit, the fluffer, just likes to get liquored up and pretend he's doing a service, but he really just has a hardon for me and likes to fap to it and try to tell me that I'm obsessed with him. He can make fun all he wants, but I probably know more about it from the sufferer's side than anyone else here giving advice on it. He's just a little turd who'll probably accuse me of starting this whole argument with him.

All your doing is giving advice and trying to make anyone who disagrees with you look like an idiot. Ironically, you're the only one in here who sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about. Quit being an #######, dude. You have a point of view. Fine. Medical professionals around here aren't clueless morons, while you have it all figured out. That's all the time I'm spending on you here. Carry on

 

[mad sweeney]

Hey, guys, please stop the bull#### in this thread. Take it elsewhere.

Excuse me for confronting the movie set gopher that's talking in absolutes and proclaiming he knows how a doctor should handle his business because he's been a patient before.

Yeah, you're doing the Lord's work nimrod.I'm telling the OP that there are real doctors who do real work with pain mgmt and he doesn't have to settle for lazy doctors like Dentist advocates. He doesn't have to live in pain because one doctor is too scared to do his job properly.

Limp Dimwit just likes to get liquored up and pretend he's doing a service, but he really just has a hardon for me and likes to fap to it and try to tell me that I'm obsessed with him.

And there are a lot of other people here with other good suggestions that don't include medicinals.

Yet you come in here, guns a blazing, yelling about how doctors should go screw themselves because they're aware that there are other solutions and drugs might not be the resolution.

Why is your way the only way to handle it? What's your degree in? What's your experience outside of being achy, taking two and calling in the morning?

And I'm the one that's liquored up? WTMF?

How shocking, you've got it all wrong. I replied to the OP's experience with his doctor and Dentist gladly chimed in to perpetuate the stigma that far too many lazy doctors ascribe to. I wasn't speaking to any other aspect of solving the problem other than when the patient is in terrible pain. Then you decide to gallop in on your high horse, offering nothing to the topic but to pick a fight and call names. You try to pretend you're above it all, but you bring nothing to the table. I don't know if your reply above was before my edit went through, or if it was another one of your hack editing jobs to misconstrue what I said for your own amusement t, but im put detail if my experience in the post above it. I've been through dozens of doctors, therapists of all kinds, mystics, chiropractors, surgeries, and any other thing you can think of during nearly 24 years of daily chronic papain from a car accident in 1990. I've had lazy idiots telling me that I'm not in the pain that i was in and any other thing they could think of to get out if having to do real help (see:all the attributes Dentist thinks are proper, other than the willingness to break the law for his wife). I've been to docs that are as much of insurance scammers as junkie fake sufferers are. I've been to cash only Dr Feelgoods who killed themselves when they got busted. I had to go to them because of the kind of dr that Dentist thinks is proper. I've finally found a great legit doctor that works with me and isn't afraid to do the paperwork and follow the protocols for proper usage of controlled substances. That's the kind of doctor the OP needs, not the Dentist kind.

As usual, you pop your head up out of your gin soaked bed sheets to pick a fight with me, but like the other times, you went off half cocked and mentally unarmed. Got it all wrong and thought you were hot ####. Pain mgmt is something I know very well and deal with on a daily basis. I have decades of personal experience, not some anecdotes from my wife about the small percentage of people that abuse the system (including dr.s like Dentist who are willing to break the law when it suits them), and not some slovenly, holier than thou patronizing horsecrap from an obsessed cyberfluffer that thinks yes clever because he uses an adjective that's already in my name. The OP shouldn't have to suffer while he's trying to find the cause and fix the problem. But because of people like his doctor and Dentist, he has to, as do untold sufferers, because of lazy cowards more interested in themselves than the patient.

 

[mad sweeney]

Hey, guys, please stop the bull#### in this thread. Take it elsewhere.

Excuse me for confronting the movie set gopher that's talking in absolutes and proclaiming he knows how a doctor should handle his business because he's been a patient before.

Yeah, you're doing the Lord's work nimrod.I'm telling the OP that there are real doctors who do real work with pain mgmt and he doesn't have to settle for lazy doctors like Dentist advocates. He doesn't have to live in pain because one doctor is too scared to do his job properly. I've dealt with chronic pain for over 20 years and I e been to dozens of doctors from all spectrum of quality and legality trying to find relief from spinal injury. I know a #### ton about it because I have a great relationship with my current doctors after having had to struggle through two decades of stigmas and laziness , in unbearable pain, because of the kind of doctor Dentist thinks are best.

Limp Dimwit, the fluffer, just likes to get liquored up and pretend he's doing a service, but he really just has a hardon for me and likes to fap to it and try to tell me that I'm obsessed with him. He can make fun all he wants, but I probably know more about it from the sufferer's side than anyone else here giving advice on it. He's just a little turd who'll probably accuse me of starting this whole argument with him.

All your doing is giving advice and trying to make anyone who disagrees with you look like an idiot. Ironically, you're the only one in here who sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about. Quit being an #######, dude. You have a point of view. Fine. Medical professionals around here aren't clueless morons, while you have it all figured out. That's all the time I'm spending on you here. Carry on

Ditkless is more than capable of looking like an idiot on his own. The only medical professional "around here" is Dentist and he us, in fact, wrong. Thank you for your contribution to the thread. I'm sure it's much more helpful to the OP than two decades of experience.

 

[mad sweeney]

There's no chance this site has ever seen a bigger jagoff than Sweeney.

Seems like a pretty ####ty guy who likes to hurl insults at others to get his point across, yet he has no idea what he's talking about.

are you talking about Ditka here? Cuz that's all he's done in this thread. Pretty funny that you're rallying behind a guy whose doing the exact same thing. Carry on though, I'm sure he has room on that high horse for you.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Here's your first post in this thread. How am I wrong about coming in 'guns a blazing'?

Tell your doctor go screw himself. If you're in pain, get pain meds. Work on strengthening and reducing the aggravation, but any quack who tries to tell you that it's better not to risk the possibility of negative effects from painkillers vs the actual certainty of maddening pain needs to have all his fingers continually broken and re broken and then told to tough it out and massage people's corns all day.

Jesus H! I even left out you mentioning that causing bodily harm to the doctor would be warranted.

You sound like Gollum being kept from his precious.

And just because you have chronic pain doesn't give you a license to be a complete ### to everyone about everything around here. There are a lot of people that have it worse than you that can find it in themselves to be civil, open minded and accepting of differing opinions.

 

[mad sweeney]

Here's your first post in this thread. How am I wrong about coming in 'guns a blazing'?

Tell your doctor go screw himself. If you're in pain, get pain meds. Work on strengthening and reducing the aggravation, but any quack who tries to tell you that it's better not to risk the possibility of negative effects from painkillers vs the actual certainty of maddening pain needs to have all his fingers continually broken and re broken and then told to tough it out and massage people's corns all day.

Jesus H! I even left out you mentioning that causing bodily harm to the doctor would be warranted.

You sound like Gollum being kept from his precious.

And just because you have chronic pain doesn't give you a license to be a complete ### to everyone about everything around here. There are a lot of people that have it worse than you that can find it in themselves to be civil, open minded and accepting of differing opinions.

Oh look, LD's sobering up and moving the goalposts! Note that I was speaking of HIS doctor in HIS example. that it went from "he took two aspirin once" to a different tack for you to take. Me Gollum? For a guy that surfaces to come after me every once in a while, kinda seems like you're the obsessive cave dweller, and I'm the precious that you can't stand to be without. Giddyup High Horse, Silver away!!!!

 

[glock]

 

[Limp Ditka]

Here's your first post in this thread. How am I wrong about coming in 'guns a blazing'?

Tell your doctor go screw himself. If you're in pain, get pain meds. Work on strengthening and reducing the aggravation, but any quack who tries to tell you that it's better not to risk the possibility of negative effects from painkillers vs the actual certainty of maddening pain needs to have all his fingers continually broken and re broken and then told to tough it out and massage people's corns all day.

Jesus H! I even left out you mentioning that causing bodily harm to the doctor would be warranted.

You sound like Gollum being kept from his precious.

And just because you have chronic pain doesn't give you a license to be a complete ### to everyone about everything around here. There are a lot of people that have it worse than you that can find it in themselves to be civil, open minded and accepting of differing opinions.

Oh look, LD's sobering up and moving the goalposts! Note that I was speaking of HIS doctor in HIS example. that it went from "he took two aspirin once" to a different tack for you to take. Me Gollum? For a guy that surfaces to come after me every once in a while, kinda seems like you're the obsessive cave dweller, and I'm the precious that you can't stand to be without. Giddyup High Horse, Silver away!!!!

Because you wouldn't have that opinion about all doctors that take that route? And you haven't shown exactly that by lashing out at Dentist for his opinion? And going through your dossier of every doctor that 'wronged' you in the past?

The goalposts are cemented in place. Just like your legacy of being the biggest jagoff this board has seen.

You're seriously one messed up dude. You do know that they make behavioral meds too, don't you? Because you're in desperate need of some.

 

[TheIronSheik]

This cracks me up.