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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
VaTerp
Footballguy
I don't get the Coleman comparison at all. Very different situations.
Coleman is a rookie who has not had a clear path to being a workhorse at any point yet and FWIW is current #2 on the teams depth chart. CJA's is a top of the depth chart and his coach has stated publically that he wants him to stay in the game more.
Their competition is different as well. Freeman is a more viable 3 down RB than Hillman and is a much bigger threat to Coleman's touches than Hillman is to CJA's at this point in time.
Coleman is a rookie who has not had a clear path to being a workhorse at any point yet and FWIW is current #2 on the teams depth chart. CJA's is a top of the depth chart and his coach has stated publically that he wants him to stay in the game more.
Their competition is different as well. Freeman is a more viable 3 down RB than Hillman and is a much bigger threat to Coleman's touches than Hillman is to CJA's at this point in time.
addicted2ff
Footballguy
I'm not sure how Freeman can be a 3 down RB but Hillman can't. If it's because of size Forsett was a 3 down RB for Kubiak last year and he weighs the same as Hillman. All that matters to Kubiak is who's getting the job done.
Coleman was very much going to be the workhorse before he got hurt. He was announced the starter before week 1 and got 58% of snaps to Freeman's 36%. In week 2 he was out touching Freeman 9:3 before he got hurt.
thatguythere
Footballguy
skinsrule05
Footballguy
I took hillman just as protection for CJ. I never thought he could be a full time RB. But I am changing my mind a little after seeing the two of them play. And you make a good point with Forsett. Of course last year I never thought he could be the guy.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Call it a gut feeling but I think he has a decent game this week. Minnesota has been better against the run since they get gashed week one but they can't score. I can see manning getting them ahead and with that defense, Minnesota having a hard time scoring. I'm tempted to roll him out over Randle this week...
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
The OL is banged up too with Sambrallo's shoulder and Mathis' hammy. I've seen 3 weeks of garbage in my lineup, I'll happily leave CJ on my bench and hope he can begin to turn things around there. At this point gotta see some signs of life before putting him out there. Also have Hillman too and same thing goes for him, if he were to in fact wrest the job away
NCPanthersFan
Footballguy
Sticking with CJ in standard scoring but in PPR I am finding other options this week (like Boldin). Hoping for a bounce back but he needs to earn the playing time.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
they have a guy who was a healthy scratch pretty much all year last year, was a healthy scratch last week, and iirc was consistently worked by AZ's depth players in the 2nd half of the 4th preseason game this year starting at RT tomorrow. And a guy who isn't a LT playing LT tomorrow. And the OL has already been bad without these changes.
I'm going to guess tomorrow is not going to be the day anyone in Denver's running game breaks out.
ATB
Footballguy
I wonder why Denver hasn't been searching FA's for some experienced O-line guys. It's obvious to everyone that they need help upfront. Must just be content to ride this wave til midseason expecting improvement.
The line has been awful, but I don't think that's why CJ is banged up. Anderson does not have a great deal of raw talent, imo. What he does have is a lot of heart, and that drives him to play over his head, and frankly, beyond his talent level - Being a stud does not come easily or naturally to Anderson.His 110% effort causes him to suffer a lot of lower body injuries. He had problems with his ankles during his impressive run last season as well. Even if CJ starts playing well, and holds off Hillman or Juwan, he will likely spend a lot of time on the injury report throughout the season.ATB said:
Quality linemen don't grow on trees. Almost anyone of use is already rostered. They could try to swing a trade, but good luck getting another team to part with a competent lineman. Even if they could plug a stud tackle or guard into the line he would need time to gel with the others. A quality O-Line needs to function as a single cohesive unit.ATB said:
Buffaloes
Footballguy
they added Evan Mathis toward the end of TC and just added Tyler Polumbus. What doesn't make sense is them trading backup swing OT Chris Clark for a 7th at the end of preseason.ATB said:
but just adding FAs isn't going to help much. Like the guy above this post said, the OL needs to gel as a cohesive unit. The starting unit played zero game snaps together in the preseason and now the starting LT went down. adding a FA probably isn't going to do anything for the short term.
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Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
None are worth anything. They will all struggle all year and be replaced in the Offseason via free agency or draft.
Someone will have a good game hear or there but that's the upside of this backfield. Guessing the week they play well.
Someone will have a good game hear or there but that's the upside of this backfield. Guessing the week they play well.
Not sure I agree. If/when the O-Line starts to gel one of these guys is likely to emerge. If Bronco history is any guide that guy will probably be Juwan Thompson.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
the problems with the Denver running game have almost nothing to do with the talent at RB. that's not the issue
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Great test case of the herd mentality.
Three weeks ago a first-rounder.
Now?
Still lead back. Top pass-protecting rb on team. Can catch out of backfield. Best defense in NFL. Manning a corpse but has Thomas and Sanders.
Can buy him for peanuts while everyone bailing. Even saying to drop him.
Even if he doesn't pan out this is a guy you should gamble on. Giving up peanuts. Low risk. Huge upside.
Three weeks ago a first-rounder.
Now?
Still lead back. Top pass-protecting rb on team. Can catch out of backfield. Best defense in NFL. Manning a corpse but has Thomas and Sanders.
Can buy him for peanuts while everyone bailing. Even saying to drop him.
Even if he doesn't pan out this is a guy you should gamble on. Giving up peanuts. Low risk. Huge upside.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Best RB for the Peyton offence too
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I keep seeing this dredged up as an excuse for Anderson. If those stats are accurate, it means he averaged less than 2 ypc after contact after getting to the second level untouched last year.
That is hardly the mark of a special RB. Anderson is JAG - and not even a very impressive one - whose line is now not blowing wide open holes for him. Not sure why anyone would think this situation is suddenly going to get any better.
Pretty clear that Kubiak does not have the right guys on the O-line to make his running O go right now.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Do you happen to have stats for other lead backs? I'd like to compare how Anderson did after contact.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
No, I don't. You're welcome to look them up. All I know that if a guy gets to the second level untouched and therefore has a lot of momentum, he ought to be able to fall forward from that point and get another two yards.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Thanks, I'll be sure to look them up if I'm ever making a statement about what's good or bad.
Quez
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
You do that. Apparently you can't see it by watching.wdcrob said:
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
here, I found this lists from the past 2 years so that you have a reference, since you seem to require statistical lists. Less than 2.00 doesn't seem to get you very high on them.
Top RBs by Yards after Contact/Attempt (per PFF)
1) Arian Foster (3.00)
2) Jamaal Charles (2.77)
3) Marshawn Lynch (2.72)
4) DeMarco Murray (2.69)
5) Eddie Lacy (2.64)
T-6) Chris Ivory, Joique Bell (2.62)
8) Alfred Morris (2.60)
9) Mark Ingram (2.55)
10) Le'Veon Bell (2.53)
Minimum of 150 attempts
1 Donald Brown. IND 3.74
2 Bobby Rainey TB 3.28
3 DeMarco Murray DAL 3.15
4 Rashad Jennings OAK 3.01
5 Alfred Morris WAS 2.77
6 Adrian L. Peterson MIN 2.76
7 Montee Ball DEN 2.50
8 C.J. Spiller BUF 2.48
9 Andre Ellington ARZ 2.47
10 Marshawn Lynch SEA 2.47
NFL Average 2.18
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Top RBs by Yards after Contact/Attempt (per PFF)
1) Arian Foster (3.00)
2) Jamaal Charles (2.77)
3) Marshawn Lynch (2.72)
4) DeMarco Murray (2.69)
5) Eddie Lacy (2.64)
T-6) Chris Ivory, Joique Bell (2.62)
8) Alfred Morris (2.60)
9) Mark Ingram (2.55)
10) Le'Veon Bell (2.53)
Minimum of 150 attempts
1 Donald Brown. IND 3.74
2 Bobby Rainey TB 3.28
3 DeMarco Murray DAL 3.15
4 Rashad Jennings OAK 3.01
5 Alfred Morris WAS 2.77
6 Adrian L. Peterson MIN 2.76
7 Montee Ball DEN 2.50
8 C.J. Spiller BUF 2.48
9 Andre Ellington ARZ 2.47
10 Marshawn Lynch SEA 2.47
NFL Average 2.18
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
And the bell tolls louder...
skinsrule05
Footballguy
I feel like this is going to happen all year. I can't trust either CJ or Hillman enough to start them. Then each week one will score big points on my bench. This week it is Hillman.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
ATB
Footballguy
When all your yards come on one run, coaches don't put a lot of weight in that. It's not what you do with one touch. It's what you do over the course of the game with all your touches.
Case in point, Joseph Randle last week. Had 3 good runs and never got past the line after that.
Now, CMike is active this week.
Meaning Hillman looked quick on that TD but let's see how the 2nd half goes. Bet he doesn't find many holes.
Case in point, Joseph Randle last week. Had 3 good runs and never got past the line after that.
Now, CMike is active this week.
Meaning Hillman looked quick on that TD but let's see how the 2nd half goes. Bet he doesn't find many holes.
ATB
Footballguy
Looked to me like a great wrap up. I just don't see anything separating CJ and Hillman beyond Hillman getting good blocking and CJ not.
Hillman's probably paying them off.This might be the greatest post I've ever read on here. Two RBs on the same team and the line only blocks for one of them.
Sums up the last month of this thread nicely.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
So you are a guy who prescribes to the "take his one good run away" analysis. I may not agree with it but you are allowed to analyze people however you want. Unfortunately for you if you do that for both players Hillman still has the highest ypc. Of course there is still a quarter to go. Maybe CJ can string some together. Although I hope for your argument that it isn't just one long run.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I don't think he's saying that. I believe he's talking about real football and coaches' perception of value to the team. A coach would rather play the guy who gets you 60 yds on 20 3-Yd runs than the guy who gets you the same 60 yds on 20 carries, but one of those 20 is a 40 yder and he only accumulated 20 yds on the other 19 carries. It's about ball control and down/distance.
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skinsrule05
Footballguy
This last drive could be telling. The score is tied. So far Hillman has the longest run and the higher ypc (once remove their longest run). Whoever can help them the most here would be looked at as more valuable I would think.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I thought Hillman looked better today
There was one play where CJA literally had an 8 foot hole
Got taken down by an arm tackle after 3 yards
Adrian had a similar size hold later in the game and no one came with 10 feet of touching him
There was one play where CJA literally had an 8 foot hole
Got taken down by an arm tackle after 3 yards
Adrian had a similar size hold later in the game and no one came with 10 feet of touching him
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
The little Rudy tried to warn us. We have only ourselves to blame.
He's done poisoning my lineup.
Deamon
Footballguy
Is this real?The little Rudy tried to warn us. We have only ourselves to blame.
He's done poisoning my lineup.
