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Dang, I hate seeing good football players get hurt. Booker may be the next big thing in fantasy, like Christine Michael was, but I like proven good players like CJ on the field forget fantasy. Players like him make the game better to watch, injuries to good players I would presume is a big deal to the ratings.

 
GoBirds said:
Everyone in redraft dropping? He's officially on IR?
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I held him for another week just to be certain. Seen this bubble up effect with DEN RBs before... Get all excited over next man up, he plays 2 games, gets hurt, repeat.

If CJ is still in the mix for FF playoffs he'll probably get another crack at it.

 
GoBirds said:
Everyone in redraft dropping? He's officially on IR?
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Dropped - thin bandwidth on the bench. Made the move to get Booker as soon as I saw the reports (dropped Henry). Once the IR news hit I moved on shoring up BU QB slot - Cousins. This scenario has the makings of Booker turning into bona fide RB lottery ticket. Sorry to see a guy get hurt and lose his starting position. Hope CJ recovers and comes back for the playoffs but I see no value for FF implications at this point.

 
Min: At the minimum  Booker will get  CJ's points 101 putting him at #25 ROS. This would assume that Bibbs would get a fairly equal split in carries and most people don't believe that will be the case. 

Max: At the maximum Booker will get all of CJ points ROS (101 pts) and he'll also get what he was already getting rest of season (78 pts). 179 points would put him at #4 rest of season. 

Conservative Estimate: If we assume that Booker will fill CJ's shoes (101 points) and will get half of his own previous carries (half of 78 points is 39 points) then that gets his rest of season points to 140 and conservative estimate of his ranking at #8.  This would assume that Bibbs or some other RB will get half of the Bookers previous carries/role. I believe the conservative estimate is the most likely and gives him a min value of #8 going forward. `

 
Hankmoody said:
But we do know there's a much bigger talent gap between Booker and any potential RBBC mate than there was between CJ and Booker
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maybe.  I'm not sure what Booker's talent level is - he was a 4th round back, after all.  I'm also not sure that Kubiak wouldn't prefer to rotate RB's simply to keep them fresh.

Maybe this is the second coming of Mike Anderson/Reuben Droughns/Orlandis Gary, or maybe this is the second coming of Selvin Young.

 
Booker has looked very good running the ball.  He will at a minimum equal CJ's run stats.  I think Booker becomes a RB1 easy.  Not sure about Bookers pass protection abilities.  That may be the only thing that gets him off the field. 

 
moleculo said:
maybe.  I'm not sure what Booker's talent level is - he was a 4th round back, after all.
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Yeah I am still concerned about Tom Brady's talent level... He was a 7th round pick, after all.

When will people stop looking at the round they were drafted in. Haven't we already learned from this? 

 
bjabrad said:
Min: At the minimum  Booker will get  CJ's points 101 putting him at #25 ROS. This would assume that Bibbs would get a fairly equal split in carries and most people don't believe that will be the case. 

Max: At the maximum Booker will get all of CJ points ROS (101 pts) and he'll also get what he was already getting rest of season (78 pts). 179 points would put him at #4 rest of season. 

Conservative Estimate: If we assume that Booker will fill CJ's shoes (101 points) and will get half of his own previous carries (half of 78 points is 39 points) then that gets his rest of season points to 140 and conservative estimate of his ranking at #8.  This would assume that Bibbs or some other RB will get half of the Bookers previous carries/role. I believe the conservative estimate is the most likely and gives him a min value of #8 going forward. `
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:goodposting:  

Best post here regarding his usage. Thanks for doing that, I did not have enough time to do that this morning. I would agree, 8th ROS is about right. With potential to go down or up depending on usage of Bibbs 

 
Dr. Brew said:
Yeah I am still concerned about Tom Brady's talent level... He was a 7th round pick, after all.

When will people stop looking at the round they were drafted in. Haven't we already learned from this? 




 
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The Steelers have this 2010 6th round WR out of Central Michigan that will never amount to anything. 

 
moleculo said:
maybe.  I'm not sure what Booker's talent level is - he was a 4th round back, after all.  I'm also not sure that Kubiak wouldn't prefer to rotate RB's simply to keep them fresh.

Maybe this is the second coming of Mike Anderson/Reuben Droughns/Orlandis Gary, or maybe this is the second coming of Selvin Young.
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Arian Foster was a UDFA for Kubiak. Draft slot means nothing.  Also look at the DEN/HOU RB usage under Kubiak as OC and HC (all the way back to Terell Davis... another low draft pick). They like to ride or die with 1 back.  i would expect 20 plus touches from here on out.  

 
Deamon said:
 No one else see the report that CJ might be back in 4 weeks??
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I saw this on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/comments/59vhex/cj_anderson_best_case_4_weeks_2016_return_not/) and one individual on twitter said "Per Schefter" but I haven't seen Schefter say anything about it.

Looks like it was a repair, and not a trim/clean-up procedure. My understanding that a repair required a lengthier recovery time, so I'm still skeptical, but Brew may be able to shed some additional insight onto what it means to be a repair vs a clean-up (I think that's what they did for Big Ben, hence the short recovery window).

Edit: Rapoport just tweeted something to the tune of "CJ Anderson, who can start jogging again in 6 weeks, meniscus repair is the best for long-term health." I don't think we see him again during the fantasy season.

 
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It's weird, I saw that update saying 4 weeks then got an update from sleeperbot saying "recovery time is described in months". 

I dont know which to believe. 

 
Moonshine said:
Per the Denver Broncos roster transactions, they have yet to put Anderson on IR. Most recent transaction was the release of Shiloh Keo on 10/25/2016 and the acquisition of AJ Derby on the same day. The roto-blurb about him being placed on IR was premature.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/transactions.html
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Yeah I just went back and checked and saw he isn't officially on IR yet. Even at 4 weeks, he won't be back until Week 11/12. And then, if Booker is playing well, would the Broncos just bring him along slowly?

 
C.J. Anderson - RB - Broncos
PFT reports C.J. Anderson (meniscus surgery) will miss "anywhere from 2-8 weeks."
Every reporter has had a different timetable for Anderson's recovery on Friday. Our sources are telling us Anderson will be sidelined anywhere from one to infinity weeks. Realistically, the Broncos are just hopeful Anderson will be back for the playoffs. Devontae Booker is now in a league-winning fantasy position.
 
If it is 4 weeks then it is worthwhile holding him. It is a longshot that he will have any value but if Booker were to go down maybe CJA could be a big plus for the playoffs. 

 
Hankmoody said:
But we do know there's a much bigger talent gap between Booker and any potential RBBC mate than there was between CJ and Booker
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At the risk of being blasted like everyone else jumped all over @moleculo, I'm not sure we know that *for sure* -- Booker was a higher draft pick than Bibbs, which would suggest more talent.  What it guarantees is more opportunity.  We've seen Booker... we haven't really seen Bibbs.  Bibbs' improvement this offseason pushed Hillman off the roster, after Hillman spent the second half of last season splitting reps with CJ Anderson.  CJA is out of the picture now... Booker's going to get all he can handle, but we haven't seen him handle a full workload, and we don't know if Bibbs has just needed an opportunity.  It took Foster a few years as an UDFA before he got his shot... it's not an uncommon path for UDFAs (one not too dissimilar from CJA's for that matter).

I'd much rather own Booker.  I think he'll be good.  We can't definitively say he's a stud the rest of the way... let's see the workload split and how he performs.

 
Dr. Brew said:
Yeah I am still concerned about Tom Brady's talent level... He was a 7th round pick, after all.

When will people stop looking at the round they were drafted in. Haven't we already learned from this? 
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oh, ok.  By all means then, trade your entire team for Booker - he will be the savior!  Greatest RB since Adrian Peterson!  He's basically the Tom Brady of running backs.  Lets all have a ticker-tape parade for the guy who is now the starting RB for the 16th ranked rushing team!

What exactly has Booker shown to warrant the hype?  He has had one good game (against the #29 rushing D, by the way).  He has had 3 games with less than 4 YPC , and 5 with more than 4 YPC.  He has 2 career fumbles in 51 carries (with a history of fumbling in college).  Longest run of his career: 17 yards.

Guys, I get it.  I own Booker in 5 of 5 leagues, most of which I drafted him in and have held since day 1.  Some people are claiming he's a top 5 guy rest of the season - I think that's a bridge too far.  I'm just trying to temper expectations.

 
Let me ask this: has anyone who has watched all of the Bronco games enamoured with what you saw of Bookers talent, or is the hype purely based on opportunity?

 
moleculo said:
Let me ask this: has anyone who has watched all of the Bronco games enamoured with what you saw of Bookers talent, or is the hype purely based on opportunity?
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He comes through holes like a freight train, and is picking up huge chunks of yardarge almost every time they call his name.

The only negative that I saw was that it looked like he was looking for contact after the first level, instead of breaking outside where there seemed to be bigger holes.

 
tricky92 said:
He comes through holes like a freight train, and is picking up huge chunks of yardarge almost every time they call his name.

The only negative that I saw was that it looked like he was looking for contact after the first level, instead of breaking outside where there seemed to be bigger holes.
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he absolutely did on Monday, which was the best I've seen him look.  coincidentally, that was also the best I've seen the line blocking (outside of some bad holding penalties early on), and was against the 29th best run D in the league.

I want to see what Booker can do vs SD this week before I proclaim him a top 10 back the rest of the way.  2 weeks ago SD held the Broncos to 84 yards, but that was more dictated by game situation and playcalling (and penalties).  If Booker can hit 100 this week, I'll be just as ecstatic as everyone else on the Booker train.

 
moleculo said:
he absolutely did on Monday, which was the best I've seen him look.  coincidentally, that was also the best I've seen the line blocking (outside of some bad holding penalties early on), and was against the 29th best run D in the league.

I want to see what Booker can do vs SD this week before I proclaim him a top 10 back the rest of the way.  2 weeks ago SD held the Broncos to 84 yards, but that was more dictated by game situation and playcalling (and penalties).  If Booker can hit 100 this week, I'll be just as ecstatic as everyone else on the Booker train.
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I want to see him catching more passes as well.

 
Biabreakable said:
What things do we know today that PFF is ignoring?

As far as I can tell we don't know that much. The coaches don't know that much yet. We can speculate all day on that, but Ota's are not training camp, training camp is not preseason, preseason is not the regular season. 

I could easily see the distribution of rushing attempts being a 50/50 split between Anderson and Booker. But I would not expect that split to occur on a game by game basis. That is not how Kubiak or Dennison like to use their RB however. They prefer to have one do it all RB and even when they didn't have a good player like Portis, it was more of a running back by competition than by committee. Each RB got their chance to be the main RB until they got hurt or proved ineffective, when that happens, they move on to the next RB.

I would expect Anderson to start as the primary ball carrier with Booker coming in on passing downs. This will last for the first half of the season, or at some point where Anderson wears down, then Booker takes over the featured RB role.

So that 50/50 split may see Anderson being useful for the first half of the season, then Booker being useful for the second half of it.

There is always the chance that Anderson plays very well early on and maintains his role as the starting RB all year. He has not had over 200 rushing attempts in a season yet in the NFL or college level however, that may be a trend which continues.

Booker is a very good RB and Anderson is going to need to play at a very high level to hold him off in my opinion. So if Anderson does keep the job through camp, preseason and into the season, he should be very productive in those early games.

I think it is a matter of time before Anderson either gets injured, becomes ineffective (perhaps due to injury limiting his level of play, like last season) or Booker just out plays him in practice to a point where they have to get him more involved.

I don't know any of this however. I am just guessing at what might happen based on the information I do have.
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So pretty much.

I own Booker in all leagues. The price point was so low that was usually pretty easy to accomplish.

 
I can't believe this, but I just got Odell Beckham for Booker, so the hype around all the FFB sites is real on Booker. I expect he should rip up the league over the next few weeks, but I don't think I could do much better than ODB even if Booker showed his stuff. I am not even sure I got the better end of the deal, but wanted a bird in the hand. I am ready to admit that it is entirely possible Booker is more valuable ROS, especially with ODB on bye this week, but I need a WR more than a RB and its O'dell freakin Beckham. This is redraft and his other WRs are Dez (coming back and who he was pushing for me to take) and Kelvin Benjamin. I told him I'd take Dez if it was still 2014 and sent my counter and he slept on it and it was accepted this morning! He needs a RB bad and is 2-5 with some bad sch luck so is kinda desperate.

ETA: just posting this to give an example of Booker's value as the new starter.

 
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mnmplayer said:
I can't believe this, but I just got Odell Beckham for Booker, so the hype around all the FFB sites is real on Booker. I expect he should rip up the league over the next few weeks, but I don't think I could do much better than ODB even if Booker showed his stuff. I am not even sure I got the better end of the deal, but wanted a bird in the hand. I am ready to admit that it is entirely possible Booker is more valuable ROS, especially with ODB on bye this week, but I need a WR more than a RB and its O'dell freakin Beckham. This is redraft and his other WRs are Dez (coming back and who he was pushing for me to take) and Kelvin Benjamin. I told him I'd take Dez if it was still 2014 and sent my counter and he slept on it and it was accepted this morning! He needs a RB bad and is 2-5 with some bad sch luck so is kinda desperate.

ETA: just posting this to give an example of Booker's value as the new starter.
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Wow.

I would be happy with RB 2 numbers. Anything else is gravy.

 
dmac37 said:
What do we think CJ's dynasty value is now? Will he stay in Denver?
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This is a really good question and one I was wondering myself.  I would also be interested in the thoughts of all the Sharks swimming around in here.

I mysef think it will certainly depend to some degree how Booker handles the featured role the ROS.   Play like a stud, and he has created an conundrum for John Elway and company.    Take a dump and it becomes a very easy question to answer.

But what is CJ's contract - that could also be a factor?  CJ seems to have proven himself more than enough over the last couple of years when not injured.

For the record I am a Booker owner in a keeper league, so my interest is slightly different from that of the CJ owners in this thread.....

 
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CJ just signed a 4 year deal this year. A lot of his 2017 money is guaranteed (1.7 out of 2.9 mil). Given they have no depth behind Booker it's pretty much a lock he is back next year. His 2018/2019 is more sketchy. It's a big jump in salary that is not guaranteed. However, it's possible his 4.5 mil per year in 2018 looks acceptable for a complimentary RB on a run-first offense. 4.5 mil is not an albatross like Doug Martin or Jamaal Charles' salaries. 

Personally, after trying to sell him for a late 1st in multiple leagues all year, I feel like he is a buy now.. You never know what happens next year with Booker. He's a great target if you have an old RB you don't want on your team, like Blount or Stewart, or a turd who's still a starter, like Matt Jones or . Ryan Mathews or Chris Ivory. The Booker hype creates a vacuum around Anderson, no one thinks he has a job anymore.

 
moleculo said:
oh, ok.  By all means then, trade your entire team for Booker - he will be the savior!  Greatest RB since Adrian Peterson!  He's basically the Tom Brady of running backs.  Lets all have a ticker-tape parade for the guy who is now the starting RB for the 16th ranked rushing team!

What exactly has Booker shown to warrant the hype?  He has had one good game (against the #29 rushing D, by the way).  He has had 3 games with less than 4 YPC , and 5 with more than 4 YPC.  He has 2 career fumbles in 51 carries (with a history of fumbling in college).  Longest run of his career: 17 yards.

Guys, I get it.  I own Booker in 5 of 5 leagues, most of which I drafted him in and have held since day 1.  Some people are claiming he's a top 5 guy rest of the season - I think that's a bridge too far.  I'm just trying to temper expectations.
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who do you think does better than him rest of season?

CJ was borderline top 10 splitting time. running worse than booker most of the season. I think it's reasonable to say booker will produce 7-10 ROS, which is what I've said... not top 5. please show me where I said he could be top 5. he has potential to be top 5. 

do you think Matt forte will out produce him rest of season?

can't wait to revisit this post

 
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