CJ Anderson (2 Viewers)

[Chaka]

Same article ranks the Cle line as #6 despite losing Alex Mack and Mitchel Schwartz and replacing them with a 3rd round rookie and last years #1 pick.

Den lost Harris & Mathis and, technically Clady even though he didn't play last year, while adding Okung and Stephenson.  Seems more like a lateral move than anything.

 

[MattFancy]

Neither.  I don't put stock in offensive line rankings in June.

I tend to agree. I'm looking to see if I can find the 2015 version of this. Curious to see where the Redskins ranked last season at this point. As a fan, I certainly wasn't thinking our OL was anything special. They gelled and played well during the season. Hard to get too worked up over rankings when we haven't seen them in action yet.

And also, does anyone really believe Cleveland has one of the top tier OLs in the league?

Edit: I found the 2015 rankings.

 

[Chaka]

I tend to agree. I'm looking to see if I can find the 2015 version of this. Curious to see where the Redskins ranked last season at this point. As a fan, I certainly wasn't thinking our OL was anything special. They gelled and played well during the season. Hard to get too worked up over rankings when we haven't seen them in action yet.

And also, does anyone really believe Cleveland has one of the top tier OLs in the league?

Edit: I found the 2015 rankings.

I don't see how one can view the Cleveland offensive line as being objectively better but I presume the logic is that they have Erving (1st 2015) and Coleman (3rd 2016) ready to step into their shoes.  People generally tend towards thinking younger is better even if they are almost entirely unproven at this level.

 

[FF Ninja]

I tend to agree. I'm looking to see if I can find the 2015 version of this. Curious to see where the Redskins ranked last season at this point. As a fan, I certainly wasn't thinking our OL was anything special. They gelled and played well during the season. Hard to get too worked up over rankings when we haven't seen them in action yet.

And also, does anyone really believe Cleveland has one of the top tier OLs in the league?

Edit: I found the 2015 rankings.

I wasn't suggesting anyone get worked up over these rankings. Just curious if it concerned anyone. We can't wait until week 4 to draft our teams. Best to use all the data available. Offensive line is often disregarded.

How would you say his rankings fared for Washington last year? Seems like #11 was pretty good.

I was actually expecting the CLE line to be hurting after the turnover this offseason, but a Cleveland fan in a random thread changed my mind. I'm not a "younger is better" guy, but I do believe that the line could still be quite good so long as the 1st round pick isn't a bust and they find someone to handle right tackle. Bitonti talks in depth about their RT situation in his most recent article: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=2016OLPreseasonTC

 

[Stealthycat]

I like the questions at QB to elevate the emphasis on the running game = more opportunities for CJ Anderson to get the ball

touches - as long as the RB gets touches, that's a key for me in drafting. Its what infuriates me about RB's like Ingram ... he'll get 25 touches one game, 4 the next

 

[Chaka]

I like the questions at QB to elevate the emphasis on the running game = more opportunities for CJ Anderson to get the ball

touches - as long as the RB gets touches, that's a key for me in drafting. Its what infuriates me about RB's like Ingram ... he'll get 25 touches one game, 4 the next

These things are so tough to predict.  I agree that the QB situation will force them to emphasize the run a bit more but I also think the losses on defense will allow opposing teams to sustain more drives, reducing Denver's total offensive plays which should negate that uptick.

That's why I focus on my perception of individual player talent then make minor tweaks based upon extraneous factors.

 

[MattFancy]

I wasn't suggesting anyone get worked up over these rankings. Just curious if it concerned anyone. We can't wait until week 4 to draft our teams. Best to use all the data available. Offensive line is often disregarded.

How would you say his rankings fared for Washington last year? Seems like #11 was pretty good.

I was actually expecting the CLE line to be hurting after the turnover this offseason, but a Cleveland fan in a random thread changed my mind. I'm not a "younger is better" guy, but I do believe that the line could still be quite good so long as the 1st round pick isn't a bust and they find someone to handle right tackle. Bitonti talks in depth about their RT situation in his most recent article: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=2016OLPreseasonTC

Going into last season, I would not have ranked Washington as high as #11. They lived up to that ranking however. I'm not saying we should take it as gospel, as those are just another tool for us to make a decision. Does OL have an effect on RBs? Of course it does. Am I going to get worked up over a OL Ranking list in June? Not really. I wanna hear reports out of TC on how the line looks. See how the perform in a couple of preseason games. Then, you can make an informed opinion on the OL and if they will help/hurt Anderson.

Are we fading Gurley, Martin, and Rawls since their OLs are at the bottom as well? I'm not saying Denver's line is anything special, but let's at least see them in some sort of action before we make a final decision.

 

[FF Ninja]

Going into last season, I would not have ranked Washington as high as #11. They lived up to that ranking however. I'm not saying we should take it as gospel, as those are just another tool for us to make a decision. Does OL have an effect on RBs? Of course it does. Am I going to get worked up over a OL Ranking list in June? Not really. I wanna hear reports out of TC on how the line looks. See how the perform in a couple of preseason games. Then, you can make an informed opinion on the OL and if they will help/hurt Anderson.

Are we fading Gurley, Martin, and Rawls since their OLs are at the bottom as well? I'm not saying Denver's line is anything special, but let's at least see them in some sort of action before we make a final decision.

Not sure why you keep talking about getting worked up. Once again, I was never saying anyone should get worked up over the rankings. I just asked if it caused anyone concern. As you noted, Bitonti's rankings were pretty accurate last year with your team. More info (TC & preseason) will be welcomed, but we don't have it at this time. Sometimes waiting for more information isn't an option. In some cases decisions have to be made now rather than later (early drafts or keeper/dynasty trades for examples). Personally, I've got a draft in a couple weeks so I don't have the luxury of waiting.

And yes, I'm fading Rawls for multiple reasons. As for Gurley, he had a bad offensive line last year. As for Martin, it seems Bitonti dropped his line purely due to Mankins retiring. They replaced him with a capable run blocker they stole from SEA and the rest of the line is pretty young (two starters last year were rookies, so they could/should improve). I actually expect that line to perform similarly to last year (from a run blocking standpoint - Winston might miss Mankins).

 

[MattFancy]

Not sure why you keep talking about getting worked up. Once again, I was never saying anyone should get worked up over the rankings. I just asked if it caused anyone concern. As you noted, Bitonti's rankings were pretty accurate last year with your team. More info (TC & preseason) will be welcomed, but we don't have it at this time. Sometimes waiting for more information isn't an option. In some cases decisions have to be made now rather than later (early drafts or keeper/dynasty trades for examples). Personally, I've got a draft in a couple weeks so I don't have the luxury of waiting.

And yes, I'm fading Rawls for multiple reasons. As for Gurley, he had a bad offensive line last year. As for Martin, it seems Bitonti dropped his line purely due to Mankins retiring. They replaced him with a capable run blocker they stole from SEA and the rest of the line is pretty young (two starters last year were rookies, so they could/should improve). I actually expect that line to perform similarly to last year (from a run blocking standpoint - Winston might miss Mankins).

I'm not saying you in general are worked up. I just want to see more info on Denver's OL before I'm concerned about them. I like Anderson this year at his current ADP. I think there's value there. Could a bad OL cause more concern for Anderson? Sure. It's something I'll monitor and pay attention to up until my drafts in 6-8 weeks. I'm just not going to dismiss some of the other pluses I see so far in Anderson based on an OL ranking list in June, that's all.

 

[FF Ninja]

I'm not saying you in general are worked up. I just want to see more info on Denver's OL before I'm concerned about them. I like Anderson this year at his current ADP. I think there's value there. Could a bad OL cause more concern for Anderson? Sure. It's something I'll monitor and pay attention to up until my drafts in 6-8 weeks. I'm just not going to dismiss some of the other pluses I see so far in Anderson based on an OL ranking list in June, that's all.

I know. You kept saying you weren't worked up. But I never said anyone should be. Just if anyone is concerned. I only ask because I, too, think CJA represents value this year. I just worry that maybe I'm not looking at the whole picture. There's only so much a running back can do if there is no real passing threat and the run blocking is weak. Seems like one of those things I could be kicking myself for overlooking.

 

[MattFancy]

I know. You kept saying you weren't worked up. But I never said anyone should be. Just if anyone is concerned. I only ask because I, too, think CJA represents value this year. I just worry that maybe I'm not looking at the whole picture. There's only so much a running back can do if there is no real passing threat and the run blocking is weak. Seems like one of those things I could be kicking myself for overlooking.

I agree it's good info and discussing it certainly is important. I just want to see/hear reports of how they look in TC, how they look in preseason, etc. I know we won't be able to get all that info before drafts start, but even getting some info will help.

I was just looking at Anderson's numbers last year, he actually averaged the same YPC in 2015 as he did in 2014. He just saw fewer carries last season. To me, I think Hillman/Booker cause more concern for me than the OL. Will Kubiak trust Anderson this year or will it be more of the same from last season?

 

[FF Ninja]

I agree it's good info and discussing it certainly is important. I just want to see/hear reports of how they look in TC, how they look in preseason, etc. I know we won't be able to get all that info before drafts start, but even getting some info will help.

I was just looking at Anderson's numbers last year, he actually averaged the same YPC in 2015 as he did in 2014. He just saw fewer carries last season. To me, I think Hillman/Booker cause more concern for me than the OL. Will Kubiak trust Anderson this year or will it be more of the same from last season?

It's true, but if you consider his first 6 games were at 2.7 ypc (67 carries for 180 yards) he really blew up in his last 9 games. I have to think his slow start was largely due to his injury. When healthy, Anderson is a beast.

 

[MattFancy]

It's true, but if you consider his first 6 games were at 2.7 ypc (67 carries for 180 yards) he really blew up in his last 9 games. I have to think his slow start was largely due to his injury. When healthy, Anderson is a beast.

Yeah I was looking at his last few games and his YPC was much higher. As long as he is getting 15+ carries a game, Anderson can be very productive.

 

[FF Ninja]

Yeah I was looking at his last few games and his YPC was much higher. As long as he is getting 15+ carries a game, Anderson can be very productive.

Yeah, his last 9 games were 85/540/5 then his 3 playoff games were 54/234/2. That 12 game sample totals 139/774/7 for a solid 5.6 ypc.

FWIW, Bitonti had DEN's line ranked 19th before training camp, 18 after the preseason, 12 at week 9, and 28 at week 17 (must've been some injuries, but he still put up 4.3 ypc during the playoffs).

 

[MattFancy]

Yeah, his last 9 games were 85/540/5 then his 3 playoff games were 54/234/2. That 12 game sample totals 139/774/7 for a solid 5.6 ypc.

FWIW, Bitonti had DEN's line ranked 19th before training camp, 18 after the preseason, 12 at week 9, and 28 at week 17 (must've been some injuries, but he still put up 4.3 ypc during the playoffs).

That's good info there! So even with a diminished OL, he was still putting up a decent YPC. He just needs opportunity. As long as Hillman/Booker don't take away too many carries. I like Anderson as a solid RB2. The question then becomes, who do we think will be the handcuff to own?

 

[FF Ninja]

They only paid Hillman $2M for a single year and they spent a 4th on Booker, so my guess is Booker. Ten years ago I wouldn't have thought anything about a 4th round rookie, but RBs have been slipping a lot in drafts over the years, so a 3rd/4th is actually becoming a decent investment at the position. Plus, Kubiak isn't John Fox. He'll use a rookie if he likes his talent. But I'm willing to reconsider my standpoint if Booker is running behind Hillman in the preseason.

 

[Biabreakable]

Running to stand still

 

[WheelsUp]

So undervalued if he gets the ball the way he ended last season. If they starting giving Hillman and Booker too many touches, kiss this kids confidence good bye.

 

[Faust]

Broncos planning for run-heavy attack in 2016?

 

[dipandglide]

So undervalued if he gets the ball the way he ended last season. If they starting giving Hillman and Booker too many touches, kiss this kids confidence good bye.

Kubiak didn't seem to mind giving Foster the lions share. I have a hard time imagining Kubiak not giving CJA 15+ touches per week. If CJA stays healthy, he's gonna be an RB1 this year. 

 

[Biabreakable]

Until he wears down and Devontae Booker takes over.

 

[Fireinside]

Until he wears down and Devontae Booker takes over.

People have been expecting with Broncos that next guy is always better. It has to stop sometime and there has to be a guy who is good enough. Anderson was good enough but now people are counting him to injure himself or wear down- I just don't get it. How is the Booker guy much better than a guy who ran extremely well during last season, I just don't get it?

 

[Hankmoody]

Until he wears down and Devontae Booker takes over.

People have been expecting with Broncos that next guy is always better. It has to stop sometime and there has to be a guy who is good enough. Anderson was good enough but now people are counting him to injure himself or wear down- I just don't get it. How is the Booker guy much better than a guy who ran extremely well during last season, I just don't get it?

That's not what he said.

 

[Ilov80s]

People have been expecting with Broncos that next guy is always better. It has to stop sometime and there has to be a guy who is good enough. Anderson was good enough but now people are counting him to injure himself or wear down- I just don't get it. How is the Booker guy much better than a guy who ran extremely well during last season, I just don't get it?

I think the biggest concern is that neither in college or the NFL has CJ ever been able to put together a good full season. Both at Cal and Denver he was being looked past and other very pedestrian guys were regularly being given opportunities over him.

 

[Shutout]

Kubiak didn't seem to mind giving Foster the lions share. I have a hard time imagining Kubiak not giving CJA 15+ touches per week. If CJA stays healthy, he's gonna be an RB1 this year. 

Only problem with that logic is Anderson isn't FOster and can't be Foster in terms of what Kubiak wants. 

I think I said in a Denver QB thread something to the effect that Kubiak WILL run the ball and there IS value with Anderson and the others but it's not going to be like it was with Foster who, for a few years, got an absurd 76% of the RB touches.  THe team drafted a FB.  That + knowledge of Kubiak + knowledge of the QB situation should scream to us that they are BY DESIGN going into this year thinking lots of running but that also screams to us that they aren't planning on one guy. The volume would be too much and Kubiak has been bitten by the stud RB going down a time or two.  I would bet dollars to doughnuts that it is going to be heavily dispersed between all parties. 

 

[Biabreakable]

Devontae Booker

2014 13 games 292 rushing attempts 1512 yards 5.2ypc 10 TD     48 targets 42 receptions 311 yards    87.5% catch rate 6.5 ypt 7.4 ypr 2 TD
2015 10 games 268 rushing attempts 1261 yards 4.7 ypc 11 TD     47 targets 37 receptions    318 yards    78.7%    6.8 ypt    8.6 ypr

Total 23 games 560 rushing attempts 2773 yards 5.0 ypc 21 TD 95 targets 80 receptions 622 yards 84.2% catch rate 6.6 ypt 7.0 ypr 2 TD

Per game 24.3 rushing attempts 120.6 rushing yards .9 TD 4.1 targets 3.5 receptions 27 yards 

C.J. Anderson    California    

2011     13 games 72 rushing attempts 345 yards 4.8 ypc 8 TD 8 targets    7 receptions    186 yards    87.5%    catch rate 23.3    ypt 26.6 ypr 1 TD
2012    12 games 126 rushing attempts 790 yards 6.3 ypc 4 TD 27 targets    15 receptions    164 yards    55.6% catch rate 6.1 ypt 10.9 ypr 1 TD

Total 25 games 198 rushing attempts 1135 yards 5.7 ypc 12 TD 35 targets 22 receptions 350 yards 62.9% catch rate 10 ypt 15.9 ypr 2 TD

Per game 7.9 rushing attempts 45.4 rushing yards .48 TD 1.4 targets .9 receptions 14 yards

If you watch them play I would be surprised if anyone thinks Anderson looks better than Booker.

I think I am being generous giving CJ Anderson 8 games before Booker takes this job and doesn't look back. That could happen in training camp.

 

[dipandglide]

Only problem with that logic is Anderson isn't FOster and can't be Foster in terms of what Kubiak wants. 

I think I said in a Denver QB thread something to the effect that Kubiak WILL run the ball and there IS value with Anderson and the others but it's not going to be like it was with Foster who, for a few years, got an absurd 76% of the RB touches.  THe team drafted a FB.  That + knowledge of Kubiak + knowledge of the QB situation should scream to us that they are BY DESIGN going into this year thinking lots of running but that also screams to us that they aren't planning on one guy. The volume would be too much and Kubiak has been bitten by the stud RB going down a time or two.  I would bet dollars to doughnuts that it is going to be heavily dispersed between all parties. 

That all may very well be true. Still, I feel comfortable saying that CJA will be getting most GL/3rd down work. Those roles alone will give him a high floor/high ceiling. 

 

[Fireinside]

BOOKER: Total 23 games 560 rushing attempts 2773 yards 5.0 ypc 21 TD 95 targets 80 receptions 622 yards 84.2% catch rate 6.6 ypt 7.0 ypr 2 TD

C.J :Total 25 games 198 rushing attempts 1135 yards 5.7 ypc 12 TD 35 targets 22 receptions 350 yards 62.9% catch rate 10 ypt 15.9 ypr 2 TD

I just don't get it. How is Booker better than Anderson. I know the sample size is small, but still. If I remember correctly Anderson run pretty well during his last years stretch so only think I can think of what is against him is that he has injuries in the past, so he can't play the whole season.

 

[Shutout]

That all may very well be true. Still, I feel comfortable saying that CJA will be getting most GL/3rd down work. Those roles alone will give him a high floor/high ceiling. 

I believe there is value for all Rbs in Denver but I would label it more as a medium floor/medium ceiling.  The issue is people are going to be paying/drafting for Anderson as if he is in the same or close to that hot, brief period we saw from him in the past or they will be thinking he could be "Foster-like". It won't be close. He won't be a guy you just roll out there and think "another week, another 22-26 points".  Because of the approach the Broncos will have this year, I see him more comparable to Ahmad Bradshaw when he was healthy and with the Giants.  A guy that might be a 14 point guy one week but, sure, in the right circumstances, will roll out 26 some weeks here or there and at the end of the season he is RB17-19.  I think the price for Anderson will be higher than that and will not be a value. 

In dynasty, if it were me, I would sell. I think he is in his own sell high position.

 

[FF Ninja]

People have been expecting with Broncos that next guy is always better. It has to stop sometime and there has to be a guy who is good enough. Anderson was good enough but now people are counting him to injure himself or wear down- I just don't get it. How is the Booker guy much better than a guy who ran extremely well during last season, I just don't get it?

It's ridiculous. I've got nothing against Booker - in fact he could be a very good player. But it is stupid to compare college stats when CJA has 338 NFL carries with a 4.8 ypc average. Actually, if you add in the playoffs, he's got 417 NFL carries for 1946 yards (4.7 ypc). There are a lot of good RBs that have much lower numbers.

Now, I'm not saying ypc is the ultimate measuring stick, but it is a good indicator if the sample size is big enough and under the right conditions. If it was a guy who compiled 400 carries over 8 years as a third down/scat back then it wouldn't mean much, but I think we all have seen how CJA is used.

 

[Shutout]

It's ridiculous. I've got nothing against Booker - in fact he could be a very good player. But it is stupid to compare college stats when CJA has 338 NFL carries with a 4.8 ypc average. Actually, if you add in the playoffs, he's got 417 NFL carries for 1946 yards (4.7 ypc). There are a lot of good RBs that have much lower numbers.

Now, I'm not saying ypc is the ultimate measuring stick, but it is a good indicator if the sample size is big enough and under the right conditions. If it was a guy who compiled 400 carries over 8 years as a third down/scat back then it wouldn't mean much, but I think we all have seen how CJA is used.

He looks every bit as good (almost identical) to the 2013 version of Ben Tate.

I agree with the thought but just adding that to say YPC isn't in a vacuum.  I think the thing to take away from all this is unless Anderson is clearly in a zone far and away better than Booker and Hillman, they may all end up with a very satisfactory YPC. 

 

[Biabreakable]

I just don't get it. How is Booker better than Anderson. I know the sample size is small, but still. If I remember correctly Anderson run pretty well during his last years stretch so only think I can think of what is against him is that he has injuries in the past, so he can't play the whole season.

Well these are just the college stats but Booker gets about 3 times as many rushing attempts as Anderson who was splitting time with Isi Sofele who had more carries than Anderson in 2011 and 2012.

Booker is also a better receiving RB than Anderson who has a poor catch rate for a RB.

I only compared college stats because Booker doesn't have any pro data yet.

Anderson is a good RB. I always like fireplug RB like him. He is like a poor mans Dalton Hilliard who I absolutely loved as a pro. But he isn't a special RB. I think Booker is.

Anderson didn't even have as many carries as Ronnie Hillman last season. I don't think Hillman is a very good RB. He was a free agent. No teams made Hillman an offer and he returned to Denver on a minimum contract.

Anderson was hurt early on in the season which contributed to that. He was not playing well with turf toe. I don't think he is as bad as Hillman. 

Anderson has not shown the ability to handle a full work load for an entire season in college or at the pro level yet.

The Bronco's will try to run the ball near 500 times in 2016. They need more than one RB to do this.

So I do not expect Anderson to hold on to this job all season when Booker will get opportunities and likely does more with those opportunities, thus forcing Kubiaks hand to play Booker over Anderson.

I set the over under on that happening at 8 games.

What I don't get are people who really like Jay Ajayi but don't like Booker. To me they are very similar players, Do it all RB with good vision and receiving ability that can also run inside.

 

[Buffaloes]

Anderson is a good RB. I always like fireplug RB like him. He is like a poor mans Dalton Hilliard who I absolutely loved as a pro. But he isn't a special RB.

this seems way off imo. Dalton Hilliard? CJA, when healthy, has been one of the most consistently good skill position players on the Denver O over the past 2 seasons. iirc, he had injured toe, ankle, and ribs to begin last season. down the stretchlast year (when he was healthy), he averaged something like 6.7 ypc with huge runs in the biggest games of the year against ne (2x big TD runs in the reg season game) and Cincy. and in the playoffs he had a 30+ yard run in every game. all behind maybe the worst OL in the league. Dalton Hilliard? that's way off. the talent is there as is the penchant for big plays in big games. it's getting nicked up and gassed in games that has been the biggest concern. the talent plus the smarts (iirc, Manning called him the smartest RB he's ever played alongside) are enough to hold the job pending injury.

I like Booker too and think he fits like a glove in the system, but this is a severe underestimate of CJA imo

 

[Biabreakable]

Comparing Anderson to Dalton Hilliard is meant as a compliment, I think Anderson has that kind of upside. The comparison is more about play style. In my opinion Dalton Hilliard was a very good RB.

At Hillards NFL peak he had 1700 combined yards and 18 TD. It is meant as a compliment.

Isi Sofele plays in the CFL. Anderson was not drafted. Hilliard was the 31st overall pick in 1986.

Dalton Hilliard.

I think Booker is a better player than Anderson, but he is still just a rookie. 

Anderson will need to play like Dalton Hilliard to keep Booker on the bench.

 

[Buffaloes]

maybe I am a tad too young to remember Hilliard. I seem to remember him and Iron Head in the backfield  and wasn't he more of a slightly-built jitterbug? either way, I think draft stock can be tossed out once the  pro resume is there. Sofele being in the cfl has next to nothing to do with CJA's success at the pro level. CJA was perhaps the best offensive player in the postseason and in the biggest games over the 2nd half of the season. if CJA stays healthy--a big if given his playing style, his usage when healthy, and his injury history, then he's a very good pro RB. and unlikely to cede the starting position to anyone else on the rooster.

if he gets injured, then Booker could take advantage as he's a great fit for the o, imo. although he presents similar risks given his playing style, injury history, and probable usage in the event of a CJA injury. I don't think Booker is a threat if everyone maintains health all year, which isn't a great probability--scheme unfamiliarity being a big reason as well as CJA's dominant play when healthy.

 

[Biabreakable]

Stylistically Hilliard was much like Anderson, elusive sure but more of a banger. Similar body type and running style to me.

Hilliard had some injuries after his big season and didn't play as well after that. I do think he was a better receiver than Anderson is. I think Booker is a bit better as a receiver as well.

I need to see Anderson be able to sustain his play style for a full season before I believe he has the durability with his play style to do so. He hasn't been able to do that at the college or pro level yet.

I would expect Anderson to be very useful for FF early on in the season. I just don't see him keeping up that level of play all year. I think he will have a lot of carries and then wear down and that is when Booker will get the opportunity to take over, if he is playing at a level I think he is capable of.

It could go a lot of different ways and I am just speculating. I do think there will be a lead RB for the most part, not an even split between them. Booker if he can pass protect becomes the passing down guy, and if he plays well his role expands from there.

 

[Tanner9919]

Certain pro personnel people say that Booker will not be a good pro. Time will tell.

Cj Anderson will be a stud this season.look at his '15 stats with Brock at Qb..he avg'd nearly 6ypc. CJA looked bad in the hybrid Manning offense Kubiak was forced to use.now, sans Manning ,expect a run-heavy  offense..CJA should be a top 10 RB in 2016.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'd be surprised if he's top 20.  This team is going to struggle.  

 

[simey]

I'd be surprised if he's top 20.  This team is going to struggle.  

If Sanchez is the QB, he has been serviceable with other teams. He has a nice supporting cast to throw to. If the offensive line has improved that will be a big plus. The defense should be good again, and can help the offense get back on the field for more chances. I don't think it will be all doom and gloom for the team.

Even if the rookie starts at QB, he could do well. Trevor could do well. I remember when Flacco first started for Baltimore, and people were saying don't take the defense because they will be on the field all the time. The Ravens had a good year that season both on offense and defense. You just never know. What you do know is that Kubiak likes to run the ball. 

 

[TripItUp]

At his ADP, doubtful he'll be on any of my squads.  He's going right around the area I'm looking to take value WRs or a QB. 

I do think he presents more value than he did last year...which isn't saying much.

 

[Sabertooth]

Certain pro personnel people say that Booker will not be a good pro. Time will tell.

Cj Anderson will be a stud this season.look at his '15 stats with Brock at Qb..he avg'd nearly 6ypc. CJA looked bad in the hybrid Manning offense Kubiak was forced to use.now, sans Manning ,expect a run-heavy  offense..CJA should be a top 10 RB in 2016.

So Murray showed he's a pedestrian back by having a down season on a team whose coach got canned, but Anderson was just a poor fit for the system?  And has the same coach and everything but is going to improve greatly?  

 

[Chaka]

So Murray showed he's a pedestrian back by having a down season on a team whose coach got canned, but Anderson was just a poor fit for the system?  And has the same coach and everything but is going to improve greatly?  

I am not sure what Murray in Phili has to do with Anderson in Denver but I do think it's possible for things to improve greatly for one or both of them.

 

[Bronco Billy]

I am not sure what Murray in Phili has to do with Anderson in Denver but I do think it's possible for things to improve greatly for one or both of them.

I thought that was a very odd comparison as well. Is his position that all situations in the NFL are the same for all teams?  And yes, an offense being run by Manning is going to be very different than one that the coaches are managing through Sanchez  I'm still profoundly struck by how peculiar sabertooth's stance was  

This would not be the first time in NFL history where a very strong D set the table for a very strong running game. 

 

[Stealthycat]

all you can ask for in a RB is touches

CJ Anderson is going to get a LOT of touches in this system, with those WR's and even with an average QB playing .... a rookie RB nor Hillman was challenge Anderson's touches. 

What he does with those touches who knows - 3.4 average? 4.5? 40 catches, 50 catches? we'll see ... but I'll take the 3 down bell cow type back ANY DAY and roll with it

 

[TripItUp]

all you can ask for in a RB is touches

CJ Anderson is going to get a LOT of touches in this system, with those WR's and even with an average QB playing ....

A) The QB Play will be decidedly below average.

 

[Silver & Black]

A) The QB Play will be decidedly below average.

I'm not sure I agree.  I believe Sanchez wins the starting job, and quite easily at that.  That said, I certainly have no illusions that he will suddenly turn into a top 5 QB or anything.  But in my opinion, Sanchez is more than just a serviceable QB.  He has been in several AFC championship games and is a veteran NFL QB.  He can make all the throws and when put in a position to not have to go out and win games, but rather, to manage them or maybe a bit more, I think he is more than capable of getting the job done.  I think of Trent Dilfer and the Ravens when thinking of Sanchez and Denver this year.  

If the Denver O line can hold together, he has several good options to throw to.  If the defense doesn't have to much of a drop off, I think Denver's offense as a whole is going to surprise a lot of people this year.  This probably bodes well for Anderson, at least, in my opinion. 

 

[Sabertooth]

I am not sure what Murray in Phili has to do with Anderson in Denver but I do think it's possible for things to improve greatly for one or both of them.

It's from the other thread but long story short is people are writing Murray off because Kelly went rogue on him but are giving CJ a pass because of some hybrid system logic.  My point is both are very iffy coming off weak seasons.  Yet people value Anderson much higher, which I think is a mistake.  

 

[Buffaloes]

Certain pro personnel people say that Booker will not be a good pro. Time will tell.

Cj Anderson will be a stud this season.look at his '15 stats with Brock at Qb..he avg'd nearly 6ypc. CJA looked bad in the hybrid Manning offense Kubiak was forced to use.now, sans Manning ,expect a run-heavy  offense..CJA should be a top 10 RB in 2016.

he looked bad because he was playing through injury to begin the season. didn't even look like the same guy--not because of the 'hybrid scheme,' but because of lingering toe, ankle, and iirc, rib injuries.

once he had time to rest (after the bye), he looked like 2014 CJA...including when Manning returned to the field from the 2nd half of the SD game through the Lombardi.

 

[TripItUp]

I'm not sure I agree.  I believe Sanchez wins the starting job, and quite easily at that.  That said, I certainly have no illusions that he will suddenly turn into a top 5 QB or anything.  But in my opinion, Sanchez is more than just a serviceable QB.  He has been in several AFC championship games and is a veteran NFL QB.  He can make all the throws and when put in a position to not have to go out and win games, but rather, to manage them or maybe a bit more, I think he is more than capable of getting the job done.  I think of Trent Dilfer and the Ravens when thinking of Sanchez and Denver this year.  

If the Denver O line can hold together, he has several good options to throw to.  If the defense doesn't have to much of a drop off, I think Denver's offense as a whole is going to surprise a lot of people this year.  This probably bodes well for Anderson, at least, in my opinion. 

If you're high on Sanchez, I can see the argument for CJ Anderson.  I personally have him ranked about 25 on the QB list right now.(non-fantasy).  I don't think you'd find too many GMs that would rank him much higher.

 

[Ilov80s]

Sanchez is very meh, but Denver's  QB play was a disaster last year so it's actually feasible that Sanchez outperforms 2015 Manning/Brock.