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CJ Anderson (2 Viewers)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Sure they will.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
How do they get worse? They had the second lowest rated passing game in the NFL. Lead the league in INTs, and bottom third in ypa, comp %, and TDs. DEN was a horrific passing team last year.
If Sanchez is merely mediocre it would be about 2 notches better.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Well, I guess having the lowest would be worse if they were the second lowest.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
So is that your prediction? That DEN will have the worst pass O in the NFL this year?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Would you have predicted last season that they would be the second worst? Now I'm just fishing..lol. But seriously though, CJ Anderson stunk for most of last season. For the fantasy regular season, he didn't even have the most fantasy points in PPR on his own team. That was Hillman. And Hillman is back. They drafted another competitor and didn't upgrade the QB position much. I expect more of the same for Anderson and the whole offense. Sure he had some nice games, but he also had only 5 games out of 16 in which he scored more than double digit fantasy points. That's less then Demarco Murray (who got benched), Leveon Bell (who missed half the season), Eddie Lacy (who was playing way too fat), Justin Forsett (hurt), Antonio Andrews, I could list 31 more guys who had more weeks of greater than 10 fantasy points than CJ Anderson. ####, Alfred Blue had as many. And good luck with starting him for the good weeks. He didn't have a usable fantasy week until mid October.
I don't think people are appreciating the level of suckitude he achieved last year. And now he's just going to turn it all around because they will call different plays all of a sudden? I doubt it.
I don't think people are appreciating the level of suckitude he achieved last year. And now he's just going to turn it all around because they will call different plays all of a sudden? I doubt it.
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grateful zed
Footballguy
great, now im worked up.
I have mixed feelings about CJ this year, but if there's a good argument for him turning it all around, it's that he got dinged up right out of the preseason and played through it for much of the season, hence his pitiful numbers. IF he comes out healthy and stays healthy this year, I think his second half is more representative of his talent than his first half.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Maybe, maybe not. Lots of guys play hurt. But I'll give you that he was hurt for the first half of the season (even though he wasn't on the injury report according to MFL). How do you explain the fantasy totals of 4.8, .9, 9.2, 31.3, 6.4, 0, 3, 14.1, and 15 that he put up during the second half of the season? Even just counting weeks 9-17 he was RB30. In PPG has was RB35. That's borderline unrosterable. He was listed as probable only three times last year so the injury was either slight, or the coaches were fibbing about it. Neither is great.
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Buffaloes
Footballguy
you keep posting this which leads me to guess you didn't watch many Denver games--including the postseason. or are fishing. as for the bolded, why would a guy who posted a 6.35 ypc carry over the last half of the season and had a big postseason need to turn anything around?
If you guys think CJA is going to get hurt, I get that. If you think the QB and OL play is going to somehow be worse than last year, I guess I kind of get that. If you guys think Hillman is going to be anywhere near a factor against a healthy CJA, yeah I don't get that. and if you think CJA sucked and has to :turn it all around," I think you probably drafted CJA last year and got burned early in the year or didn't bother watching Denver over the 2nd half of last season and throughout the playoffs.
Well, by then Hillman had become the starter and was still getting significant touches...the way Denver used its RBs last season was an incomprehensible muddle. That's actually my main fear here...that we'll see the return of Darth Shanahan and never know from week to week which back will get 25 and which will get 3.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
So your saying he's a better NFL back than fantasy back? So if he was hurt, did the coaches lie on the injury reports? Because he was only probable three times. If he was so good, why so few fantasy points last season? Watching the games can be valuable but he showed consistent mediocrity in the box score, which is where fantasy football is played.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Buffaloes
Footballguy
played through injuries to begin the year. look at the splits prior to and after the bye week. night and day and you could see it on the field.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
While I'm not projecting your doomsday disaster, you bring up some good points. I don't necessarily see a RB1 unless he takes a serious leap up.
cheese
Footballguy
I'm in on CJA because I buy the upside as huge. I don't know if you guys listened to the Preseason watch list podcasts yet, but they did make a concerning comment about CJA being one of those guys where "it's always something" that keeps it from happening.
In any case, I typically draft on upside, and CJ has it.
In any case, I typically draft on upside, and CJ has it.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The Kubiak system produces great RB seasons so it is a gamble worth taking. I just don't really know if CJ is very good at football. Most of his college and NFL career he has been buried on depth charts behind bad running backs. He has no athletic traits that indicate he is even an average NFL back. However, Kubiak was able to get 1600 yards and 10 TDs out of Steve Slaton. He was able to 1500 and 8 out of Justin Forsett. Mike Anderson got 1600 and 16. 1400 and 8 from Rueben Droughns. 1300 and 7 from Olandis Gary. So there is definitely a precedent for Kubiak to coach a total nobody to a strong season.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think CJ Anderson is a good football player. The things that are good about him are not in the measurables. He has good vision, instincts and good in pass protection. One of the unmeasurable categories he isn't good in is durability.
His athleticism is perhaps not very exceptional except in the areas of BMI and he had decent short shuttle numbers, showing some quickness and burst there, he is below what you want in the vertical and 3 cone drills however. Speed is good enough. He doesn't stand out as an athlete though.
I think he has good vision and fits the inside zone running scheme well. He is a good pass blocker. Below average as a receiver.
College stats
C.J. Anderson California
2011 13 games 72 rushing attempts 345 yards 4.8 ypc 8 TD 8 targets 7 receptions 186 yards 87.5% catch rate 23.3 ypt 26.6 ypr 1 TD
2012 12 games 126 rushing attempts 790 yards 6.3 ypc 4 TD 27 targets 15 receptions 164 yards 55.6% catch rate 6.1 ypt 10.9 ypr 1 TD
Total 25 games 198 rushing attempts 1135 yards 5.7 ypc 12 TD 35 targets 22 receptions 350 yards 62.9% catch rate 10 ypt 15.9 ypr 2 TD
The catch rate is below average but the yards per target are pretty good. This is inflated somewhat by one big play in 2011 however.
Pro stats
As a runner he is fine although it has taken him two seasons to put together what people are hoping from him this year over a full season. As a receiver he has an average catch rate of 72.8% and yards per target as slightly below average for a RB at 6.3 yards per target.
I think this is where Booker gets to crack the lineup as he is pretty likely a better receiving option.
Anderson has a bowling ball run at your knees type style that is very difficult for defenders to tackle. He has struggled to stay healthy though so I think it is reasonable to question if he can handle the workload he is going to get for a full season because he hasn't been able to do that yet at any level. He should be a good starter as long as he is healthy though.
Losing weight due to better conditioning, as has been the focus for him all off season should help him stay healthier and I don't see it affecting his power that much. That seems like a good thing.
His athleticism is perhaps not very exceptional except in the areas of BMI and he had decent short shuttle numbers, showing some quickness and burst there, he is below what you want in the vertical and 3 cone drills however. Speed is good enough. He doesn't stand out as an athlete though.
I think he has good vision and fits the inside zone running scheme well. He is a good pass blocker. Below average as a receiver.
College stats
C.J. Anderson California
2011 13 games 72 rushing attempts 345 yards 4.8 ypc 8 TD 8 targets 7 receptions 186 yards 87.5% catch rate 23.3 ypt 26.6 ypr 1 TD
2012 12 games 126 rushing attempts 790 yards 6.3 ypc 4 TD 27 targets 15 receptions 164 yards 55.6% catch rate 6.1 ypt 10.9 ypr 1 TD
Total 25 games 198 rushing attempts 1135 yards 5.7 ypc 12 TD 35 targets 22 receptions 350 yards 62.9% catch rate 10 ypt 15.9 ypr 2 TD
The catch rate is below average but the yards per target are pretty good. This is inflated somewhat by one big play in 2011 however.
Pro stats
As a runner he is fine although it has taken him two seasons to put together what people are hoping from him this year over a full season. As a receiver he has an average catch rate of 72.8% and yards per target as slightly below average for a RB at 6.3 yards per target.
I think this is where Booker gets to crack the lineup as he is pretty likely a better receiving option.
Anderson has a bowling ball run at your knees type style that is very difficult for defenders to tackle. He has struggled to stay healthy though so I think it is reasonable to question if he can handle the workload he is going to get for a full season because he hasn't been able to do that yet at any level. He should be a good starter as long as he is healthy though.
Losing weight due to better conditioning, as has been the focus for him all off season should help him stay healthier and I don't see it affecting his power that much. That seems like a good thing.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
What Anderson has going for him is average measurables coupled with good size and good three-down football skill. 217 (224) isn't a bruiser, but at 5'8" it makes you pretty tough to bring down if you know how to use it. Which is absolutely borne out by his highlight reel.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
CJ has a lot going for him not the least of which is NO Manning..they wont run their hybrid offense anymore.
He also has the altitude on his side.a late game banger like him, at altitude, is a defense-killer.
People say he's an average talent and he probably is.but as someone else mentioned, Slaton,Gary, etc, all succeeded under Kubiak.
So at a minimum he's a beast 8 games a year , at home,at altitude.if not more , including road games..
He is as safe a bet at RB as there is this year.Any RB can get injured.
He also has the altitude on his side.a late game banger like him, at altitude, is a defense-killer.
People say he's an average talent and he probably is.but as someone else mentioned, Slaton,Gary, etc, all succeeded under Kubiak.
So at a minimum he's a beast 8 games a year , at home,at altitude.if not more , including road games..
He is as safe a bet at RB as there is this year.Any RB can get injured.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I like him top 10 because of (A) he'll get the touches and (B) not just a lot of high talent around him to challenge him and (C) coaching / game style
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I disagree because I think Booker is a better RB than Anderson. Their wide receivers are very good as well.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
QB play is going to be average at best.
Sure Booker could be The Man .... but how many rookies really are every year? a few ,... not many
Sure Booker could be The Man .... but how many rookies really are every year? a few ,... not many
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Booker didn't do the combine/pro day workouts, so there's always a chance he emerges -- I'd much rather bet on an unknown than someone with a poor profile. But his receiving efficiency #s are pretty bad and he enters the league at 24 years old. It's a bad combo and I steered clear of him despite owning Anderson in almost every league. Not buying that he's a threat until I see it on the field.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
All reports on Booker have been very positive so far. Those reports include Booker looking good in pass protection, which is usually a rookie hurdle to overcome and Booker is already playing with the second team. He is reportedly fully healthy now although they still make take it easy with him for a bit as he has just recovered from his surgery recently.
I am pretty sure I have posted this before but here are the college numbers for Booker:
Devontae Booker
2014 13 games 292 rushing attempts 1512 yards 5.2ypc 10 TD 48 targets 42 receptions 311 yards 87.5% catch rate 6.5 ypt 7.4 ypr 2 TD
2015 10 games 268 rushing attempts 1261 yards 4.7 ypc 11 TD 47 targets 37 receptions 318 yards 78.7% 6.8 ypt 8.6 ypr
Total 23 games 560 rushing attempts 2773 yards 5.0 ypc 21 TD 95 targets 80 receptions 622 yards 84.2% catch rate 6.6 ypt 7.0 ypr 2 TD
Per game 24.3 rushing attempts 120.6 rushing yards .9 TD 4.1 targets 3.5 receptions 27 yards
While the yards per target are below average the catch rate is very good. Better than a lot of the other rookie RB being touted as good receiving options this year and Booker is a better runner than most of them too.
What else do you see as inefficient about these numbers?
For comparison sake here are CJ Andersons college numbers.
C.J. Anderson California
2011 13 games 72 rushing attempts 345 yards 4.8 ypc 8 TD 8 targets 7 receptions 186 yards 87.5% catch rate 23.3 ypt 26.6 ypr 1 TD
2012 12 games 126 rushing attempts 790 yards 6.3 ypc 4 TD 27 targets 15 receptions 164 yards 55.6% catch rate 6.1 ypt 10.9 ypr 1 TD
Total 25 games 198 rushing attempts 1135 yards 5.7 ypc 12 TD 35 targets 22 receptions 350 yards 62.9% catch rate 10 ypt 15.9 ypr 2 TD
Per game 7.9 rushing attempts 45.4 rushing yards .48 TD 1.4 targets .9 receptions 14 yards
Obviously Anderson has NFL experience which puts him pretty far ahead of Booker for now. How long will that last though?
Booker is a good enough player that Anderson is going to need to play very well to hold him off.
I am pretty sure I have posted this before but here are the college numbers for Booker:
Devontae Booker
2014 13 games 292 rushing attempts 1512 yards 5.2ypc 10 TD 48 targets 42 receptions 311 yards 87.5% catch rate 6.5 ypt 7.4 ypr 2 TD
2015 10 games 268 rushing attempts 1261 yards 4.7 ypc 11 TD 47 targets 37 receptions 318 yards 78.7% 6.8 ypt 8.6 ypr
Total 23 games 560 rushing attempts 2773 yards 5.0 ypc 21 TD 95 targets 80 receptions 622 yards 84.2% catch rate 6.6 ypt 7.0 ypr 2 TD
Per game 24.3 rushing attempts 120.6 rushing yards .9 TD 4.1 targets 3.5 receptions 27 yards
While the yards per target are below average the catch rate is very good. Better than a lot of the other rookie RB being touted as good receiving options this year and Booker is a better runner than most of them too.
What else do you see as inefficient about these numbers?
For comparison sake here are CJ Andersons college numbers.
C.J. Anderson California
2011 13 games 72 rushing attempts 345 yards 4.8 ypc 8 TD 8 targets 7 receptions 186 yards 87.5% catch rate 23.3 ypt 26.6 ypr 1 TD
2012 12 games 126 rushing attempts 790 yards 6.3 ypc 4 TD 27 targets 15 receptions 164 yards 55.6% catch rate 6.1 ypt 10.9 ypr 1 TD
Total 25 games 198 rushing attempts 1135 yards 5.7 ypc 12 TD 35 targets 22 receptions 350 yards 62.9% catch rate 10 ypt 15.9 ypr 2 TD
Per game 7.9 rushing attempts 45.4 rushing yards .48 TD 1.4 targets .9 receptions 14 yards
Obviously Anderson has NFL experience which puts him pretty far ahead of Booker for now. How long will that last though?
Booker is a good enough player that Anderson is going to need to play very well to hold him off.
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Fireinside
Footballguy
If he plays as well as he did last year and in the playoffs, it will do just fine.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
You mean if he gets the volume he did in the playoffs he will do just fine. He averaged 4.3 yards per carry and 4.3 yards per reception. I know the defenses in the playoffs are tougher than you see in the regular season, but those aren't overly impressive numbers. The key was he got 22.6 touches per game. That is 362 over the course of the year. Any RB that can get 362 touches in a season is going to be fine. Ofcourse no RB got that many touches last year.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Sure. But how many games can he maintain that?
We don't have any evidence of him being able to play at that level consistently for long at the pro or college level yet.
His best stretch of games came in the second half of the 2014 season where he strung nine high workload games together with only one real clunker game in there.
Last season he had a good game 7 against Green Bay, then fell off again the next 3 weeks before having his second good game against the Patriots.Not very good for two games after that then had a stretch of 5 decent games to close out the year.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
OooofTanner9919 said:
Fireinside
Footballguy
Yes, I hoping he gets a lot of touches. I'm not going to talk about health because his healthy now, if he can't take the beating this year he can't take it ever. But he has had two season to train what it takes to take the beating and he did finish healthy-good enough for me.Ilov80s said:
And no, I wouldn't invest on Anderson that much, but I still think he can put up a great season.
biju
Footballguy
I dug into Booker a little, watching some college tape and reviewing his stats. I'll state this: I'm not a scout and I'm not trying to be authoritative. But honestly I just don't see the hype on Booker. Is it just people wanting to believe in the next young guy? I'm also reading people talking down Anderson as "average" but watching both players back to back I have a tough time seeing what you guys are seeing, especially for those talking up Booker.
I don't doubt people are going to tell me I'm wrong, but for now I haven't seen any tape or argument that compels me to think Booker is going to beat out Anderson for the starting job.
I don't doubt people are going to tell me I'm wrong, but for now I haven't seen any tape or argument that compels me to think Booker is going to beat out Anderson for the starting job.
bostonfred
Footballguy
He doesn't have a sexy highlight reel, but he runs like a pro - he runs well and physically inside, catches well, blocks decently, and has played in a pro style offense. His skills should translate, and even as a later draft pick, he has a higher draft pedigree than cj anderson. He is also a good fit gor the kubiak offense. He doesn't have breakaway speed, but his combine numbers are incomplete because he was recovering from injury. I don't own him anywhere yet and passed on him for dixon and perkins in a rookie draft but I'm pleasantly surprised to see him surpass hillman so easily and will give him a serious look as a mid round flier
biju
Footballguy
You guys put a lot of faith in draft pedigree. I guess I don't because at the end of the day I don't see how that really matters one bit. I read somewhere the Chargers have a ton of 1st and 2nd rounders on defense, but I'm going to guess they struggle to make the top half of the league in defense.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It's not just draft pedigree, but also success at college and athletic measurables. Take Treadwell for example. He's not a good athlete, but he broke out at a young age was a productive college player. Combine that with being a 1st round pick and there is enough there to overlook a slow 40 time and a19th percentile SPARQ-x score. On other hand, you have a player like Tyler Ervin. He was a day 3 pick, but he was a dominant college player and has exceptional speed and burst for the position. I would be willing to overlook the fact that NFL teams didn't see him as a better prospect. With CJ, none of the boxes are checked.
Now, the difference is we have seen CJ be successful in the NFL. If he can stay healthy and hold on to his role, he is going to be a very good fantasy player this year.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Not just draft pedigree but it's also what I see on the field...he basically takes what the offense gives him.
He's a very mediocre NFL RB...nothing wrong with that, it's just what it is.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
two consecutive years of 4.7 ypc. So the offense is giving him plenty. I am somehow really high and really low on CJ at the same time.Not just draft pedigree but it's also what I see on the field...he basically takes what the offense gives him.
He's a very mediocre NFL RB...nothing wrong with that, it's just what it is.
biju
Footballguy
Like I said before, I'm not a scout and have no problem being wrong. I just don't think mediocre talents end up being starters. He's beat out other players with pedigree (and actual NFL carries) too. But I do like the conversation and will be excited to pick this back up when the preseason starts up or we have more to go on than Booker's college stats.Not just draft pedigree but it's also what I see on the field...he basically takes what the offense gives him.
He's a very mediocre NFL RB...nothing wrong with that, it's just what it is.
TripItUp
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
But Booker is a below average nfl back imo, with limited athleticism and a poor draft pedigree as well. But CJ Anderson has a 4.8 ypc in the nfl and Booker hasn't proved anything. So how does this favor Booker again?Not just draft pedigree but it's also what I see on the field...he basically takes what the offense gives him.
He's a very mediocre NFL RB...nothing wrong with that, it's just what it is.
TripItUp
Footballguy
well, pretty much every GM had Booker rated higher than Anderson...and Booker has a more well rounded skillset to boot.
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biju
Footballguy
This is where we disagree (and that's fine). Just because someone went undrafted in one draft and another went in the 4th round (which isn't a big deal in the grand scheme as many 4th rounders totally bust) in a different draft means nothing. Are you telling me a GM would prefer Booker over a young Arian Foster because Booker was graded as draftable and had "a higher grade"?
dipandglide
Footballguy
I 100% agree with this. TripItUp, with your logic all the other GM's must want EJ Manuel more than Tyrod Taylor.
