VaTerp
Footballguy
And pretty sure Denver is a much better team than SF with much better game scripts for their RB.
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Denver coach runs a good RB scheme but in terms of pure talent I don't think CJ is even remotely close to Hyde. So like this reminds me of the old saying that opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one. I just don't agree with yours or you mine.
Anderson has missed less games than Ingram but he also does not get that kind of a workload either. People keep expecting Anderson to be a bell cow all year and I can't get over fact he has maxed out at 179 carries in a season. He was even a part time back in college. I don't know what he did in high school or really care but on the NFL and college level he's never even had 180 carries in an entire season.
So yea Ingram has missed more time but over the past two seasons but he also logs around 30% more touches per game than Anderson has done over that time period, which usually leads to greater chance of injury.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
If Carlos Hyde's stats over the 7 games before his injury were spread out over 16 games, he would have finished the season with less fantasy points than Frank Gore and Danny Woodhead.
what a stud
Well if you are basing this on past year then no one has any business spending a top 3 round pick on CJ Anderson's mediocore production.
As for Hyde I heard it was kind of hard to be an NFL RB with a stress fracture in your foot but hey that's just me.
Maybe, I sure do like Kubiaks scheme for RB's but fair to mention that in Chip's three seasons his RB's have run for 2nd, 5th and 6th most yards in the NFL so it's not like he runs a poor running back scheme or something.
VaTerp
Footballguy
I didnt mention scheme.
If you flipped DEN and SF's supporting casts then I'd feel differently. As a team DEN is much better set up to provide good game scripts to their RBs. That was my point.
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moleculo
Footballguy
Last year was not the Kubiak offense - it was a Kubiak/Manning hybrid, where all of Manning's stuff really hurt the running game.
So you say scripts and I say scheme and you want to argue semantics? Not me, don't even know what you are talking about to be honest so no I don't get your point whatever it was.
VaTerp
Footballguy
Scheme and game scripts are entirely different things. If that needs to be explained then yeah.....you are missing the point. Aw well....
moleculo
Footballguy
and it's not close. CJ may very well have a better season, but almost everyone universally agrees that Hyde is more talented.
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hardcoredx
Footballguy
I tend to agree that teams will stack the line against a weak armed inexperienced QB. Denver will not win the division- it belongs to KC and I think SD is going to make a strong run. Denver was relatively injury free last season, that ain't gonna happen again. CJA has never had more than 179 attempts in his 3 seasons. Call me skeptical, this is a long grind built for the best and most talented RB's - not undrafted RB's. I'll go against conventional wisdom and buy low on Booker sometime in the 2nd half.
moleculo
Footballguy
Oh, ok. Refresh my memory: who played FB last year? How often was Manning under center?
So I guess when Manning was out they ran the Manning offense for Osweiler? Not buying that or that Peyton was hindrance to running game.
moleculo
Footballguy
Yup. They (correctly) did not change the offense to suit the back-up QB. They did not bring in a fullback. It was the same hybrid offence that Manning ran (although a few bootlegs sprinkled in).
higgins
Footballguy
It's true whether you want to believe it or not -- this is the first year Kubs will run his true offense in Denver and with personnel that more closely resemble his preferences to his schemes.
mr roboto
Footballguy
You should probably step away from the thread. You've clearly shown you have no clue. Even Peytin admitted, on the TNF broadcast, that last year wasn't what Kubiak truly wanted to run.
purestrength
Footballguy
I realize everybody is getting out of draft mode, but I found it interesting that CJA was going in the late first round in FFPC Main Event leagues over the weekend in Vegas.
Basically, where he was going in 2015.
Basically, where he was going in 2015.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I haven't really read much of this thread recently although I doubt anyone is arguing that CJA isn't a RB1 for the remainder of the year as long as he stays healthy.
That's the caveat though, he has to stay healthy. Maybe it's just me but after every single run vs. CAR, CJA looked like he died. Literally, he seemed to lay there lifeless before coming back to life.
It made me think that if I were a CJA owner I would go out of my way to make sure I had Booker as a cuff.
That's the caveat though, he has to stay healthy. Maybe it's just me but after every single run vs. CAR, CJA looked like he died. Literally, he seemed to lay there lifeless before coming back to life.
It made me think that if I were a CJA owner I would go out of my way to make sure I had Booker as a cuff.
Well what Peyton did not say was the Kubiak installed his offense but they had to scrap it because Peyton could not adjust to it. But then Peyton got hurt and this happened:http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/14198905/brock-osweiler-starting-gary-kubiak-era-begun-denver-nfl
So thanks for you invitation to leave this thread but I'd leave fantasy football if I was you and thought the only thing holding back CJ Anderson was Peyton Manning because if you want to talk about people who have no clue....
moleculo
Footballguy
Who played FB for the Broncos last year? This is a simple question, and the second time I'm asking.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Initially James Casey was the plan but he failed to work and they had to scrap using the FB
moleculo
Footballguy
Good. So, you acknowlege they didn't use a FB last year.
If there was no FB, how was it a Kubiak offense?
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I'm very happy to have taken Anderson in the mid third but I would have taken Ingram there without thinking about it. I would still take Ingram before Anderson. I do not own any shares of Ingram this year.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
If CJA can stay healthy... top 10. :IBTL:
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Come on, man, that's what he's saying. A FB in the backfield is a substantial change to a running game, whether you want to dance around that point or not. And it's not just the running game that that FB affects, it's blocking schemes and the way the passing game is run.
Hence, the "Kubiak" offense. Seems you're arguing just to argue.
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
I took him at 2.7 in a 12 team redraft (non PPR). I had him ranked higher than Ingram and other RB's in that tier and in all of my mocks I came out better going RB/RB. He would not have come back to me. The only way I would have flinched is if Mike Evans was available, but he went too. It may have been a little bit of a reach based on pure ADP, but I liked CJ, especially hearing that Hillman was likely to get cut. Wasn't afraid of Booker - Kubiak wasn't going to throw 2 rookies in the backfield.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Yeah absolutely. Enough of a sampling over the past 2 years showing that WHEN HEALTHY, CJA is perfect for this offense and produces... maybe top-5 numbers.Can't believe there would even be any kind of argument against that (not from you, but others).gethugefast1 said:
Those nicks creep in though. Maybe he's just got bad wheels that won't allow him to take on a full season's workload.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Things look great and there's a ton of reasons to be excited, but don't forget it's just 1 week. After week 1 last year Carlos Hyde looked like an absolute superstar while people were lamenting their Adrian Peterson draft pick. Sammy Watkins owners were in total panic mode while Travis Kelce owners crowed about the Gronk-like season that was coming.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
someone should have told that to Car, who has maybe the best front 7 in the league
nearly all signs, including game 1, point to the OL being much improved over last yr
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bulger2holt
Footballguy
D. Thomas getting a second opinion/ MRI on his hip. This isn't good news for CJ owners. Don't want D's stacking the box any more than they have to.
Kubiak saying Booker deserves more touches
Booker still needs to work on pass protection, so maybe CJ won't lose out on too much, not that he's been doing well lately.
Booker still needs to work on pass protection, so maybe CJ won't lose out on too much, not that he's been doing well lately.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
The schedule is going to open up soon.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
CJ runs better in cold crappy weather
austinball
Footballguy
My thoughts -- i own Booker but not CJ -- i think CJ looks just fine out there. Booker had some nice runs but so did CJ. I don't think Denver is helping CJ with any kind of rhythm or scheme at this point. Their playcalling just seems off. And putting in Booker won't solve those issues. Selfishly i hope it does, but I'm not seeing the obvious upgrade here. Of course I'll hold onto Booker but its not like he's a David Johnson sitting on the bench like last year in Arizona. Maybe I'm missing something.
packer_junkie
Footballguy
To my eyes... both are talented and both are running their asses off. Full blown RBBC until one gets nicked up.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
I wouldn't be too concerned about Booker. He isn't fully ready to pass block. I don't expect Anderson's role to change much going forward. Booker might cut in a little bit but I don't think it's a major worry. Whenever a rookie seems to get a high percentage of carries relative to the amount of snaps he gets, it always throws red flags that the rookie isn't ready to handle the non-carry aspects of the job. Watching Booker as a blocker seems to confirm that. He looked good as a receiver though.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Want to see what happens if/when Broncos are in a close game or leading too. Game script has worked in favor of Booker bigtime in the last couple.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
CJ has been relegated to a #3 RB TD dependent flex option.
Last year he only had three games where he carried the ball at least 14 times and produced really well.
I felt he was going to have a big year because I thought he was held back by his preseason turf toe injury. After he got healthy, he tore it up at the end of last year and in the post season.
I haven't heard that he is injured but something has changed from last year and the obvious change on offense from last year is the QB situation.
Any speculation on 'other' issues that might be affecting RB CJ Anderson running the ball this year?
Last year he only had three games where he carried the ball at least 14 times and produced really well.
- Nov 1st, 2015 he had 14 for 101 yards against Green Bay and 1 TD
- Nov 29, 15 for 113 yards and 2 TDs against New England
- Jan 1st against San Deigo 15 for 95 and 1 TD.
- First game, 20 carries, 92 yards, 1 TD, 4 receptions for 47 yards
- Second game, 20 carries, 74 yards, 1 TD, 3 receptions for 19 yards
- Third game, 14 for 37, 0 TD, 1 reception for 4 yards
- Fourth game, 19 for 47, 1 TD, 1 REC 3 yards
- Fifth game, 11 for 41, 0 TD, 3 REC for 21
- Sixth game, 10 for 37, 0 TD, 4 REC for 34.
I felt he was going to have a big year because I thought he was held back by his preseason turf toe injury. After he got healthy, he tore it up at the end of last year and in the post season.
I haven't heard that he is injured but something has changed from last year and the obvious change on offense from last year is the QB situation.
Any speculation on 'other' issues that might be affecting RB CJ Anderson running the ball this year?
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JFS171
Footballguy
I haven't read this thread - so let's get that out of the way right off the bat.
The Broncos OL got banged up in the Week 2 game. Last Thursday was the first time they were back together. Donald Stephenson, the RT, was out that entire stretch -- replaced by Ty Sambrillo. Ty Sambrillo is AWFUL. Virgil Green got hurt in Week 3 I believe... he also just returned last week on TNF.
I don't have stats as I'm not a PFF member, but from watching portions of their games, sure seems like the OL got dominated a lot without Stephenson and Green... RBs were often hit in the backfield. They were healthy at SD, but then Kubiak misses the game.
In CJ's games with Green and the full OL, he's got 50 carries for 4.1 YPC... that's not lighting the world ablaze, but it's not as bad as people are making it out to be. In his other games, he's got 44 carries for 2.8 YPC.
I also don't think the offense has hit its stride -- they've either had the passing game working (think Cinci game, where they couldn't run at all with the OL injuries and no Green) or they couldn't really throw for anything (like week 1). Siemian is proving capable, though no one would think he's going to carry an offense. I think as he gets more consistent, the OL returns to health (and presumably stays healthy), and Kubiak is calling the plays, you'll see some more consistency from CJ.
There's rumors that Booker's role is going to grow, but per Cecil Lammey, supposedly directly from Kubiak's mouth, Booker's role will grow with the growth of the overall pie -- in other words he's not talking carries or workload from CJ. They want to run the ball more -- like 35-40 times a game, which leaves plenty of opportunity for CJ and Booker both; Siemian should never be throwing 50 times like last Thursday.
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