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CJ Spiller Out Weeks 1-2 (1 Viewer)

KRob, next man up!
:no:

KRob was already ahead of Spiller.

Tim Hightower. next man up?
KRob was only ahead of Spiller for the primary HB designation. Meaning, "If Ingram goes down, who fills that role?"Spiller has/had an entirely different role than the one reflected in the starting HB pecking order, much like Bush, Sproles, Pierre, etc. That's how Payton runs that O.

Don't take everything you see on those generic depth charts at face value.

 
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Agreed. I don't think KRrob is anything more than flex-worthy and I doubt anyone is going to start him week one. But it's nice to have him rostered just in case Spiller is slow to heal or gets injured again.

 
Ugh, I hate this situation for Spiller. He's going to come back to Ingram and Robinson running wild behind Unger. It's now going to take an injury to one of those two for Spiller to become the asset I envisioned he'd be earlier this offseason.

 
Big news for Ingram. May give him a chance to prove himself with more passing plays. Payton may actually be forced into not using a RBBC for once.

 
Ugh, I hate this situation for Spiller. He's going to come back to Ingram and Robinson running wild behind Unger. It's now going to take an injury to one of those two for Spiller to become the asset I envisioned he'd be earlier this offseason.
In the Payton offense, Spiller's role is completely different from theirs, and will be waiting for him with open arms the moment he returns.

This is not because Payton has somehow never been lucky enough to find a single, do it all back. It's by design. And it's a good, proven, successful design. It was true when he had Deuce McAllister on the roster, and it's true now.

 
Has anyone else reported this yet or is this still rumor. How are people drafting him based on this info? Is Khiry Robinson worth a late round add?

 
He may play this Sunday, it hasnt been ruled out. You guys know the drill, see if he practices later this week. The Saints don't know if he's recovered until he at least goes out to the practice field and takes some cuts. Note Khiry is also dinged.

 
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very odd how there is zero info on his injury timeline.

is there any info on whether he will be available week 1?
Is this one of those deals where they're gonna update when the league forces them to update (injury report Wednesday)?

Should be a solid RB2 (if healthy.) Saints have never had a bell cow (except for that four game stretch last year), but they use 2-3 backs enough they're still fantasy relevant.

Sean Peyton era:

Rushing Yards

2014 Mark Ingram (964) Khiry Robinson (362) Pierre Thomas (222) Brandin Cooks (73)

2013 Pierre Thomas (549) Mark Ingram (386) Khiry Robinson (224) Darren Sproles (220)

2012 Mark Ingram (602) Pierre Thomas (473) Darren Sproles (244) Chris Ivory (214)

2011 Darren Sproles (603) Pierre Thomas (562) Mark Ingram (474) Chris Ivory (374)

2010 Chris Ivory (716) Pierre Thomas (269) Julius Jones (193) Ladell Betts/Reggie Bush (150)

2009 Pierre Thomas (793) Mike Bell (654) Reggie Bush (390) Lynell Hamilton (125)

2008 Pierre Thomas (625) Deuce McAllister (418) Reggie Bush (404) Mike Bell (42)

2007 Reggie Bush (581) Aaron Stecker (448) Pierre Thomas (252) Deuce McAllister (92)

2006 Deuce McAllister (1,057) Reggie Bush (565) Mike Karney (33) Drew Brees (32
Receptions

2014 Pierre Thomas (45) Travaris Cadet (38)

2013 Pierre Thomas (77) Darren Sproles (71)

2012 Darren Sproles (75) Pierre Thomas (39)

2011 Darren Sproles (86) Pierre Thomas (50)

2010 Reggie Bush (34) Pierre Thomas (29)

2009 Reggie Bush (47) Pierre Thomas (39)

2008 Reggie Bush (52) Pierre Thomas (31)

2007 Reggie Bush (73) Aaron Stecker (36)

2006 Reggie Bush (88) Deuce McAllister (30)
 
Saints have never had a bell cow (except for that four game stretch last year), but they use 2-3 backs enough they're still fantasy relevant.
I have generally been on board with this line of thinking regarding Payton and the Saints however this off-season really seemed to come out of left field when they let Graham and Stills go (their top two receivers from last year). I think Payton wants to run the ball more, whether or not he can get out of his own way to accomplish that is another question entirely but I truly believe that the desire is there.

When they won the Super Bowl in they were 7th in the league in rushing attempts (468), 6th in yards, 3rd in TDs and 7th in Y/A. As you pointed out the division of carries was pretty equal between Thomas (147) and Bell (172) and the division of overall RB touches was pretty equal between Thomas (186) Bell (176) & Bush (117) so even if Payton sticks to the run you could still see a similar split between CJ, Ingram and Khiry.

But either way I think the Saints will be running the ball a lot more this year which makes the backfield a little more interesting than it has been over the past few seasons when they averaged 395 rushing attempts per season.

 
Tim Hightower is still there, so theres that :lmao:
Actually if for some reason Spill is out I think everyone's going to learn the name Marcus Murphy real fast.
Not sure I agree. Does Hightower play special teams? I presume Murphy does.
Yes, Murphy will be returning kicks and punts.
Does Hightower play ST?

My point is that they kept Hightower for a reason and since I doubt it is because of special teams abilities I can only presume it is because he has a history of being very reliable in the passing game out of the backfield. My guess is they view him as the backup to Spiller, not Murphy. But with Payton it's anyone's guess.

 
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Have there been significant upgrades to the Saints defense that I am unaware of?

I keep hearing people talk about the Saints running the ball more because of changes in offensive personnel. However I don't think any plan to run more will be supported by the Saints defense. When they get behind in the score they will have to keep throwing no matter what else they may want or plan to do.

 
Saints have never had a bell cow (except for that four game stretch last year), but they use 2-3 backs enough they're still fantasy relevant.
I have generally been on board with this line of thinking regarding Payton and the Saints however this off-season really seemed to come out of left field when they let Graham and Stills go (their top two receivers from last year). I think Payton wants to run the ball more, whether or not he can get out of his own way to accomplish that is another question entirely but I truly believe that the desire is there.

When they won the Super Bowl in they were 7th in the league in rushing attempts (468), 6th in yards, 3rd in TDs and 7th in Y/A. As you pointed out the division of carries was pretty equal between Thomas (147) and Bell (172) and the division of overall RB touches was pretty equal between Thomas (186) Bell (176) & Bush (117) so even if Payton sticks to the run you could still see a similar split between CJ, Ingram and Khiry.

But either way I think the Saints will be running the ball a lot more this year which makes the backfield a little more interesting than it has been over the past few seasons when they averaged 395 rushing attempts per season.
Based on the data I posted earlier and my expectation that the Saints can't stop anyone, I expect Spiller reception floor to be 45, but I could see him easily catching 60-65 balls this year for his ceiling.

Historical data for the Peyton era in full PPR on a PPG basis:

2006 Bush RB10, McAllister RB18

2007 Bush RB6

2008 Bush RB10, Thomas RB21

2009 Thomas RB17, Bush RB28

2010 Thomas RB16, Bush RB36, Ivory RB43

2011 Sproles RB10, Thomas RB27, Ingram RB41

2012 Sproles RB8, Thomas RB39

2013 Thomas RB21, Sproles RB31

2014 Ingram RB12, Thomas RB27

Buffalo during Spiller's years there:

2010 Jackson RB26, Lynch RB42, Spiller RB66

2011 Jackson RB4, Spiller RB33

2012 Spiller RB9, Jackson RB28

2013 Jackson RB13, Spiller RB32

2014 Jackson RB16, Spiller RB52

 
Have there been significant upgrades to the Saints defense that I am unaware of?

I keep hearing people talk about the Saints running the ball more because of changes in offensive personnel. However I don't think any plan to run more will be supported by the Saints defense. When they get behind in the score they will have to keep throwing no matter what else they may want or plan to do.
Jarius Byrd has yet to take a snap in practice," that we know of". We just cut Kenny Phillips who was our FS which leads me to believe Byrd is soon a go. What will we get out of a player that hasnt been on the field in nearly 2 years is anyones guess. Our LBs will finally be improved but it will take a little while for the to gel. Rookies. CBs will get tested with Lewis sidelined. The defensive line couldnt get pressure all of preseason but we never had the complete first team D starting at all in preseason due to Payton holding players out due to injuries. Its anyones guess. I think we will see improvement down the road but not at first.

I drafted Big Ben as my starting QB and Im thinking of benching him for Palmer in week 1. Thats the confidence I have in the defense at this point.

 
Saints have never had a bell cow (except for that four game stretch last year), but they use 2-3 backs enough they're still fantasy relevant.
I have generally been on board with this line of thinking regarding Payton and the Saints however this off-season really seemed to come out of left field when they let Graham and Stills go (their top two receivers from last year). I think Payton wants to run the ball more, whether or not he can get out of his own way to accomplish that is another question entirely but I truly believe that the desire is there.

When they won the Super Bowl in they were 7th in the league in rushing attempts (468), 6th in yards, 3rd in TDs and 7th in Y/A. As you pointed out the division of carries was pretty equal between Thomas (147) and Bell (172) and the division of overall RB touches was pretty equal between Thomas (186) Bell (176) & Bush (117) so even if Payton sticks to the run you could still see a similar split between CJ, Ingram and Khiry.

But either way I think the Saints will be running the ball a lot more this year which makes the backfield a little more interesting than it has been over the past few seasons when they averaged 395 rushing attempts per season.
Based on the data I posted earlier and my expectation that the Saints can't stop anyone, I expect Spiller reception floor to be 45, but I could see him easily catching 60-65 balls this year for his ceiling.
If he plays starting week 1 then Spiller has an 80+ catch ceiling. I did this in the Vereen thread last year when people were going nuts predicting 80 catches for Vereen in New England. I don't remember the specifics but since Payton got the HC job in NO I think of all the RBs who have topped 80+ catches something like 80-90% of them were in Payton coached offenses. He loves throwing to his RBs.

My point about wanting to run more was more about there being some real potential for Ingram and Spiller in NO this year.

 
Saints were back in pads today and Khiry practiced. Nothing one way or another on C.J.
Thanks for that update. But to say spiller is definitely out weeks 1 & 2 is total speculation. In fact after seeing the title of this thread I searched Google for all spiller related news for the last week and found absolutely NOTHING I suggest that.

Thread title should say "rumor: Cj spiller out weeks 1 & 2".

 
Peyton said he had a pretty good idea when Spiller would be back. Didn't say when, of course.

“I think we have a pretty good idea in regards to when those guys (Byrd & Spiller) will be back, and we’ll plan accordingly,” Payton said. “We keep treating them, going through the rehab process, and obviously the first goal is getting them ready for Arizona.”
 

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